[h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery
HI, Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor and Elizabethan jewelery? Or even leads to good paintings would help... I 'm trying to reproduce Elizabethan earrings and I don't know wether they had pierced ears ,for ladies and gents, at that time period,or wether piercing was consider Crude or lower class? If it was acceptable, how were pearls or jewels suspended from the wires? I'm assuming they were wires- not post/studs-, if they were wires what shape were they? Any and all info greatly appreciated. melody __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery
At 08:15 12/05/2006, you wrote: HI, Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor and Elizabethan jewelery? Or even leads to good paintings would help... I 'm trying to reproduce Elizabethan earrings and I don't know wether they had pierced ears ,for ladies and gents, at that time period,or wether piercing was consider Crude or lower class? If it was acceptable, how were pearls or jewels suspended from the wires? I'm assuming they were wires- not post/studs-, if they were wires what shape were they? Any and all info greatly appreciated. melody There is a catalogue of an exhibition called Princely Magnificence which has photos of jewellery for the period you are interested in. It has scholarly articles, and photos of people wearing jewellery as well as the jewellery itself. I have a copy and can post more details if it would help. It is quite old, though, (maybe 15-20 years) and possibly out of print. I seem to remember it was an exhibition at the V and A. To answer your question, pierced ears have been fashionable for hundreds of years, and I believe that you can see earrings on most of the portraits of Queen Elizabeth that are pierced in style. However, you also see them hung on the ears with narrow, usually black, ribbon. Unfortunately I cannot remember which particular painting I've seen with this effect. I don't know what style of wire is correct, but when Annie the Pedlar (http://www.anniethepedlar.com/) made the earrings for my Elizabeth figure, she did a lot of research, and made earrings with a sort of concealed fastening so the rings looked like complete hoops. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery
- Original Message - From: Melody Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery HI, Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor and Elizabethan jewelery? There is one called Tudor Jewelry by Diana Scarisbrick that is just jammed with pretty pictures. It's out of print, but I've seen it at abebooks, for under $50. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 414
- Original Message - From: Jayne Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? Mine has neither name nor form at the moment, being disassembled in the shed. But if she wasn't she'd probably be wearing my new red linen kirtle. I'm not entirely content with the fit because I lost some weight over the four months or so it took me to make it, and I had to keep taking it in. Eventually I got to point where I thought 'stuff it, I'm sure I'll put the weight back on again'. I might dig her out again, because I've just started a new houppelande, and I'm not sure I can put the V bit in the back properly without it being on the dummy. Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Latest on Oseberg buying
I've talked with the people at the uni bookshop. Yes, you can order through them and pay with Visa. You have to send the card info by e-mail though (divide the info and send 2 mails). You can not pay through the website for some reason. They are not quite sure about the price since they don't know if the museum will sell the book to them with a discount or not. The larger the discount, the less additional cost you'll have to pay. I've sent them the bookinfo they needed and asked about the price. They hadn't even heard of the book and needed full details to order it. Osebergtekstilene Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, ISBN 82-8984-024-9 Kulturhistorisk Museum, Oslo If you want to get in touch with the uni bookshop and the people who will take care of the bookorder; [EMAIL PROTECTED] The woman I talked with suggested I have a word with the museum shop. She could see no reason why they couldn't get the necessary card info by mail and arrange the payment in the shop if the uni bookshop can. I'll be passing by the museum again within the next 2-3 days and will ask if it's possible to arrange things in the suggested manner. It might be a good idea if people who want to get the book gets in touch and asks about doing it that way too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gunvor -- Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov Anders (nesten 4 år) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] SV:re:sources on tourbans - Mellinkoff
Mellinkoff does mention tourbans. Since her focus is on outcasts she doen't discuss tourban as sign of holiness but other symbolic meanings, chiefly as a sign of the Other. Eva ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] SV:re:sources on tourbans - Mellinkoff
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[h-cost] 12c crusades clothing
Hi, I need some help. I'm trying to find some ideas on costumes from the crusades, I mean that kind of mixture of christian and arabian clothing worn approx. at the end of 12th century. Maybe something like the costumes from the Kingdom of heaven, but rather some sort of noble-costume. I've really been searching for it quite long and I still can't find anything. Please if someone has any idea of some web page about it or whatever sort of information, tell me:-)) Zuzana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Skirt Questions
Hi! I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. Many Thanks Jayne PS I hope to download the photos of the bodice over the weekend. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Latest on Oseberg buying
Thanks, Gunvor. I've talked to Jorun Grønli Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] as was told that they do not accept credit cards.. even in person. The museum requires EFT, check on a Norway bank or cash in NOK. Please keep us informed about the uni bookshop as you hear what the price would be. Beth Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:26:20 +0200 From: G.Vinje [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've talked with the people at the uni bookshop. Yes, you can order through them and pay with Visa. You have to send the card info by e-mail though (divide the info and send 2 mails). You can not pay through the website for some reason. They are not quite sure about the price since they don't know if the museum will sell the book to them with a discount or not. The larger the discount, the less additional cost you'll have to pay. I've sent them the bookinfo they needed and asked about the price. They hadn't even heard of the book and needed full details to order it. Osebergtekstilene Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, ISBN 82-8984-024-9 Kulturhistorisk Museum, Oslo If you want to get in touch with the uni bookshop and the people who will take care of the bookorder; [EMAIL PROTECTED] The woman I talked with suggested I have a word with the museum shop. She could see no reason why they couldn't get the necessary card info by mail and arrange the payment in the shop if the uni bookshop can. I'll be passing by the museum again within the next 2-3 days and will ask if it's possible to arrange things in the suggested manner. It might be a good idea if people who want to get the book gets in touch and asks about doing it that way too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gunvor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing
Greetings-- Abel, Cynthia wrote: During the reign of Stephen, there was a short-lived fad for the use of lots of silk, crinkled or pleated in some way(not quite like the later creations of Marino Fortuny, but fairly close), into gowns for men and women that were not only long, but sometimes overlong, with very voluminous sleeves to match. Tight lacing of women's gowns to fit tighter around the torso had begun earlier around the time of King Richard I and King John. I think this chronology is a little off. Richard and John came considerably after Stephen. By the end of John's reign (1216), the gowns are actually starting to loosen considerably through the body, although often retaining tight lower sleeves. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Skirt Questions
Hi Jayne, the best bet is to find a skirt or pants where the waist band is comfortable for your daughter and use that measurement. or you can always use a pair of grommets or eyelets on either side of the waistband for some give for a growing child. if it's underneath the bodice point, no one will see it. velvet isn't that heavy and should be just fine; i use cotton velveteen all the time and there's never a problem (unless i'm missing something in your question). i don't know how young your daughter is, but mine started wearing court dresses with hoops at 3 and velvet and good wool seemed to be interchangable. i never used anything that was blended with polyester; too hot even with hoops and it sparkles unnaturally in the sunlight. not to mention that bodice and skirt usually match with the forepart or forepart and sleeves contrasting. looking forward to seeing your pictures, lynn On 5/12/06, Jayne Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. Many Thanks Jayne PS I hope to download the photos of the bodice over the weekend. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Skirt Questions
I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. It would look better made from the same fabric. If you are worried about the weight, do not use a cartridge pleated skirt. ou are going to wind up with a lot of fabric. Why not cut the skirt from gored panels? It was the way every pattern and every extant item before 1600 we have was done. Piecing of gores and wide varied though. It's not too hard to do, and is rather more graceful, and reduces bulk but still gives you a good flare at the hem. http://www.vertetsable.com/research_b181.htm http://www.vertetsable.com/research_f47.htm#pattern http://www.vertetsable.com/research_f41.htm http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/womens.html There are images which show what could be straight cut skirt panels, but they tend to be Venetian or a particularly finely pleated German style. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Skirt Questions
- Original Message - From: Jayne Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: [h-cost] Skirt Questions Hi! I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. Many Thanks Jayne PS I hope to download the photos of the bodice over the weekend. In general I think waistbands are more trouble than they are worth for 16th century gowns and for a little girl with no hips my recommendation to attach the bodice and skirt is doubly strong. It's much easier to suspend a garment from a child's shoulders than their waist. If you do make a waistband you may have to resort to elastic to keep the balance between comfortable and not falling down. I haven't seen evidence for mismatched bodices and skirts in England before the advent of the wheel farthingale (and even those are vanishingly rare) so I'd suggest using the velvet and following Michaela's advice on cutting down on the fabric you use. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
