[h-cost] Re: Tango in a Hoop
Hi B, Your notes really got me thinking and remembering both myself and friends planning "historic" weddings. I finally had the lightbulb go on for myself 'way back when I was discussing music with Patri Pugliese. I had favorites ranging from 18thC to 1950s swing, and wondered if it was proper to arrange the music in chronological order? He said that he planned balls for a specific eras and would never mix it up that much. I realized that I could do whatever I wanted, it's not a historic event, and I should throw in everything I felt like doing! Earlier you mentioned how ballroom attire fits the prevailing dances of the era. For women, at least, because men have been wearing breeches/trousers for a coupla centuries and are not dealing with different widths & lengths of skirts. So, about this tango I'm wracking my brain about the early development of it, and all I can remember is Richard Powers saying that it was originally done by the wrong sorts of people in the wrong side of town. I don't know if there was anything tango-like going on in the 1830s, but if it was I doubt it involved the intricate legwork of modern Argentine style. Practice is helpful, and essential so if you two are dancers and want to show off a bit for the relatives. He can wear any trousers to practice, and you need to wear a skirt of the same length/volume. I know what you are saying about the rehearsal skirt giving a clue to the shape of the wedding dress. But remember, historic weddings are really a 20thC thing. For most eras (even the 20thC), wedding dresses followed the prevailing style, so a groom would know what to expect as far as the shape of the skirt they bride would wear. I'm hearing a lot of conflict and specific things you want to do, and came up with a few suggestions. - practice in the same type of skirt and don't worry about it giving clues to the dress style. - find a different dance style that can be easily done in the dress you want to wear. - change the dress, or the skirt, or de-volumize the skirt (make it to remove the puffiness) for the reception. You still have the impact for the wedding itself, kind of like how modern dresses with trains are made to bustle up. - Have a really flexible attitude or a huge sense of humor about it all. If you're worried about it looking good in the photos or video, and you're not going to practice in the skirt, wel... -Carol > Hello, thanks for pointing this out! > > When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I > definitely see the style around much later. > > I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those. > > I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently, > they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this. > > Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any > skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a > petticoat with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening. > > Thanks, > B M ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern
Thanks for all your help. I found my pattern - its the mantua maker, multi sized one. I love the ageless patterns but like flexibility in sizings. And the folkwear one looks good, but my budget won't stretch this Christmas - I'm using my fabric stash to make presents this year, less costly and gives me more room to add more fabric once I've saved again Cheers, Aylwen Earthly Delights Music ~ Dance ~ Costumes ~ Dance Books & CDs http://www.earthlydelights.com.au On 6/12/07 1:33 AM, "Katy Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folkwear has a nice bathing costume patetrn--early 20th century. > > Katy > > On Nov 28, 2007 11:51 PM, Aylwen & John Garden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I >> thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember >> the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Aylwen >> >> >> ___ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?)
Hello, thanks for pointing this out! When I say his suit is "1830s" is a bit vague -- the pattern said 1790, I definitely see the style around much later. I hate the 1830s sleeves and won't make those. I thought the 1830s full skirts were made with crinolines, but apparently, they weren't cage crinolines yet, thanks for clarifying this. Apparently, if I want to go for anything 1830-1850-ish, pretty much any skirt width would go, which is good... yet, it is becoming stiff a petticoat with multiple flounces, but no wire or extra stiffening. Thanks, B M 2007/12/6, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'm confused, I thought you were considering making a dress that goes with > the 1830s suit he'll be wearing...? 1830s dresses don't have hoops, those > weren't "invented" until sometime in the 1850s (I can't remember the exact > date). Which isn't to say that the corset might make Tango a bit > challenging... > -sunny > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
From my own take on the styles you have chosen: The first two are about 1898/1900 and the third is between 1892/97. The sleeve is the teller for the bodices and the skirts are more tailored with hip molding then you see in the earlier drabed skirt. If you have Fran's books, compare the pattern shapes she gives for skirts in this period and make any adjustments on the patterns you are using to correspond with those lines. I have been using them to do h-costume in minature and have been delighted with the results. View 1: The vest you speak of will be the front only section. This will be completely finished and lays over the muslin underbodice. Use a good weight velvet (I would choose cotton velvet, as it has anatural body that will not need to be underlined itself.) As the layers are assembled, you will wnat to watch for too much bulk. The gimp braiding used on this garment was usually wool or silk. In order to keep the scale of the proposed trim, it should be 3/8" or 1/2-5/8" This may be hard to find except with some fancy work. View 2: Very interesting. The fur trim is very period and chique; however, if you can't lay your hands on real fur...Persian or otherwise...you might want to set this one aside for a while. View 3: Fabric should be a little lighter and drapeable. With the lace trim, it speaks of annother season of the year than winter/transition. Do not omit linings and interlinings on any of these designes as these are all needed to support and maintain the general shape and flow of the gown. The fastenings will all be hooks and eyes. The fit of the underbodice is very important. This will establish the fit; all else of the bodice is "upholstering" if you will. The colors and yardages you report all seem to work well for the period. I look forward to your report of choice(s) and progress of the project. Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work m
Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
(snip) Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume.< I've got some antique trims from the 1880-1900 era if you'd like to come over and look at them. Keeping me company while I tear my hair out, oop, I mean sew, would be ok, too. Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's "The Mode in Costume" out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. Thank you for your time! JonnaLyhn Wolfcat who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost]Polish dress 1475(?)
My guess is that it is a sheer caul with pearls. German examples of pearlwork cauls. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cranach_Cleve.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:3-vornehm-Damen-1525.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._010.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._050.jpg By the way, the "portrait" was made in 1502. De -Original Message- And what about her hair? It surely can't be beaded, so is she wearing some sort of beaded veil? (another) Kate > So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then >another band? >Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise? >Kate -Original Message- I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 Jennifer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] needles update
Hello, I just wanted to finnish the diskussion about needles, in telling that i received my needles from London this week, i have ben using one of them, a sharp nr 12 for 2 days, embroidering on the waistcoat. Today i embroidered about 12 hours in a row, and my needle is still straight. Usually all my needles gets bended by use, but this Johna James needle is still straight. Very happy to have found these.. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern
Folkwear has a nice bathing costume patetrn--early 20th century. Katy On Nov 28, 2007 11:51 PM, Aylwen & John Garden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I > thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember > the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns. > > Many thanks, > > Aylwen > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Tango in a Hoop (was [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?)
I'm confused, I thought you were considering making a dress that goes with the 1830s suit he'll be wearing...? 1830s dresses don't have hoops, those weren't "invented" until sometime in the 1850s (I can't remember the exact date). Which isn't to say that the corset might make Tango a bit challenging... -sunny > Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon! > > slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango? > Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and > it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless. > > The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see the > dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we can't > practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one of > the dance lessons, it would give away too much. > > Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball > around here... > > B M NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's wearing? And other unmerryramblings
Hang in there, Kathy; I hope you can discover a new venture of creativity that will not come with the baggage of bittersweeet memories. Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Kathy Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's wearing? And other unmerryramblings Sadly, one of them is packed, one awaits staging to sell the house, and the third supports the only project I vainly attempt to try working on, which all but hasn't happened yet. Pretty much all inspiration has died in me. A friend of mine suggested it was the grief/guilt, having found pleasure and satisfaction in a talent rather than a marriage. When the talent gives more pleasure and satisfaction than the marriage, it's bound to happen. I've been having a lot to trouble with the whole guilt thing. So, I've given up trying to make anything for now - heck it's taken me days to get the Christmas decorations up. Painting the house is a new adventure in hell. Then again, I have never had to do it alone before, and running into all those cute nostalgic holiday things from our early days didn't help matters any. I don't know when it will return. But I lurk here, reading away, creating vicariously through everyone here. I hope to get back in the saddle one day soon. Anyone that was interested in my stuff I wanted to sell off, I *had* the measurements and prices up for at least half of my collection, then my darling ex pulled my Picasa file (it's now a 404 error, oh joy), dumped all the text and shut down my website. He's working hard to obstruct me professionally, knowing that I am creatively frozen and basically without income because of it. So I am right back to square one. I think it would be best if you just emailed me with what you are needing, I'll send you those specific measurements and photos, and we can work from there. That way he can't obfuscate my transactions. I have the original emails back when I first offered this, but I am unsure if you are still interested since a considerable time has passed. Trying to find merry in this season, Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish proverb One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Keller People don’t mind being used; what they mind is being discarded.-Chris Matthews Pride makes us do things well, but it is love, that makes us do them to perfection.-H. Jackson Brown Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Articles from journal 'Costume' on-line
Hi Hilary, None of the universities in my part of the USA have access to the Maney journals of interest: Neither back issues, current subscriptions nor online. I am an old student (never quit studying!), now retired. To get the issues, I must subscribe personally. Maney is willing to sell me online subscriptions to sets of journals at reduced rate, but this quickly becomes very costly... and still does not address the problem of back issues. I might as well subscribe to the paper copy. I subscribe to Costume and have all back issues (except 1-5, which I would very much like to get) in my personal library. I have a few back issues of Textile History, but the subscription is beyond my budget (or rather books win over journals in priority). I am seriously considering a subscription to Medieval Archaeology. I wonder would any of the UK universities with ATHENS consider a (very) long distant student? Take care. Beth At 09:37 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:28:00 + From: Hilary Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Further to Wanda's post - below - from the 4th November (sorry - slowly reading through old messages) If you're connected with an academic institution in the UK and have or can get an ATHENS password, you may well be able to access, free, the online version of Costume through Ingenta Connect, the on-line site that Wanda mentions. http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/maney/cos/2007/0041/0001 Usually your friendly uni librarian can arrange an ATHENS password http://www.athens.ac.uk/ and it's extremely useful for all sorts of sites, but at the same time amazing how many students aren't told about this service. there may be an equivalent US service. Then you can download individual articles in handy PDF form from Costume, and Textile History which is also highly recommendable, for textile related articles, conference and book reviews. Then once downloaded and printed off, who knows where copies could end up? (though I'm not condoning breach of applicable copyright - reasonable use for research purposes only!) Typical - I don't post for years then do two at once ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?
Anne (named after Anne Boleyn for the lack of a head and the fact that she often wears Tudor era clothing) is only wearing underwear as I just used her to balance the skirt for my mid 1850s day dress, I'm currently cartridge pleating the skirt (it's gathered but I still need to sew it to the waist band) and after that I need to sew the darts on the bodice, finish the edges of the bodice, sew on the hooks & eyes (thank you the inventor of hook & eye tape), make a collar, and then get the bonnet finished (at the moment it's just a basic straw shell and needs a curtain and lining). I've got a week and a half to do all this and I'm hoping it will be not be too hot to wear it on the night. Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ - Original Message - From: "Cin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "h-cost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, company dinners, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night, You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something spiffy on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your worktable, at the sewing machine or in the embroidery hoop. - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: What's your dressmaker's wearing? And other unmerry ramblings
Sadly, one of them is packed, one awaits staging to sell the house, and the third supports the only project I vainly attempt to try working on, which all but hasn't happened yet. Pretty much all inspiration has died in me. A friend of mine suggested it was the grief/guilt, having found pleasure and satisfaction in a talent rather than a marriage. When the talent gives more pleasure and satisfaction than the marriage, it's bound to happen. I've been having a lot to trouble with the whole guilt thing. So, I've given up trying to make anything for now - heck it's taken me days to get the Christmas decorations up. Painting the house is a new adventure in hell. Then again, I have never had to do it alone before, and running into all those cute nostalgic holiday things from our early days didn't help matters any. I don't know when it will return. But I lurk here, reading away, creating vicariously through everyone here. I hope to get back in the saddle one day soon. Anyone that was interested in my stuff I wanted to sell off, I *had* the measurements and prices up for at least half of my collection, then my darling ex pulled my Picasa file (it's now a 404 error, oh joy), dumped all the text and shut down my website. He's working hard to obstruct me professionally, knowing that I am creatively frozen and basically without income because of it. So I am right back to square one. I think it would be best if you just emailed me with what you are needing, I'll send you those specific measurements and photos, and we can work from there. That way he can't obfuscate my transactions. I have the original emails back when I first offered this, but I am unsure if you are still interested since a considerable time has passed. Trying to find merry in this season, Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been.-George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc/Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. -Irish proverb One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.-Helen Keller People don’t mind being used; what they mind is being discarded.-Chris Matthews Pride makes us do things well, but it is love, that makes us do them to perfection.-H. Jackson Brown Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Polish dress 1475(?)
And what about her hair? It surely can't be beaded, so is she wearing some sort of beaded veil? (another) Kate > So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then >another band? >Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise? >Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J.E. Marshall Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Polish dress 1475(?) I found this picture of Jadwiga Jagiellon on Wikipedia. Does anyone know of any other images of this style of dress, most especially of the sleeves? I have been looking to find this image somewhere else online and it seems that wikipedia is the only place to have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Jagiellon_%281457-1502%29 Jennifer what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing?
Instead of wearing hoops, wear a couple of petticoats, after all, that's what ladies did before hoops were invented. And no wire at the bottom. Good luck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? Thanks Patty, thanks Sharon! slide feet between... for waltz. But how is that for the knees, in a tango? Thanks for all these suggestions. Costume and dance both fascinate me and it's amazing how they go together, and what's possible nevertheless. The problem with the "try it out" is that I can't. Since he can't see the dress before the wedding, not even have a hint about the design -- we can't practice dancing in unusual clothes. I couldn't wear a hoop skirt to one of the dance lessons, it would give away too much. Will consider trying it for later! We will have to have a Victorian ball around here... B M 2007/12/5, Sharon Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The gentleman CAN slide his foot between, in fact, that is how we > dance the rotating waltz. Try it before you reject the idea > completely. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:04 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > > How wonderful you're keeping traditions in mind (of course, what more > appropriate place than a wedding). > > Patty > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Barbara -_- M aren > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:16 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's wearing? > > 2007/12/4, Cin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > So, what's your > > dressmaker's dummy wearing today? > > > > Hi! > > The last time this subject came up, I didn't even own one. But had a > wedding coming up and the crazy idea of sewing the costumes for it > myself, so I won one on e-bay which seemed the right size, which I > took home, adjusted to my measurements and proceeded to find that it > was suitable to first model his wedding suit on (a lovely 1830s frock, > now finished). > > So now, it's a few weeks later, the wedding is even more imminent, I > have lost eight kilos and had to compress the top part of dummy beyond > its specification. There is one way it's good that I'm so late with my > own > dress: If I already had it now, it wouldn't fit any more. > > And I've been thinking and thinking about the design! I want our > clothes to match. I want an 1830s full skirt. And people from this > list have even convinced me that it's possible to dance a waltz in a > hoop skirt. But our wedding dance is a tango, which requires that the > gentleman should be able to slide his knee _between_ the lady's legs. > Again, hoops are out of the question! :-( I have since had the > privilege to watch a wonderful show on 'The Evolution of Dance', and > it is amazing how obviously the dominant dance of each time > corresponds to the fashion worn then (mainly by the ladies). > And tango is 1920s -- flapper dresses :-( ! And the close, > fast-turning version of Viennese Waltz that we will dance afterwards > actually came up with, and wants, the late Victorian flat front and > narrow silhouette you see e.g. in Renoir's famous dance portraits -- > http://claude-monet.org/artbase/Renoir/1841-1919/apc825799/apc.jpg, > http://artyzm.com/obrazy/renoir-dance.jpg, > http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/impressionism/images/Pierr > eA ugusteRenoir-Dance-in-the-City-1883.jpg. > > So now I'm trying to incorporate all that into the design -- and the > dress dummy is currently wearing the first layer of underpinnings -- a 'slip' > to > make the skirt stand out from the body -- and I'm making the tiers of > netting open in the front, so there will be fewer layers there and our > knees can touch. Plus, a flat-fronted style should be more flattering > to me, anyway. > > Ssh! Luckily he doesn't read this forum AFAIK -- he mustn't know! It's > bad luck if the bridegroom knows the dress of the bride beforehand (in > German tradition). The sewing room is taboo for him, and when I have > to cut large pieces of fabric and need more space, I have to send him > away or wait until he is asleep. Forgive my spelling of my name, I > don't want it to come up in an accidental internet search, so he can't > stumble upon this conversation. > (By German tradition, it's also bad luck to sew one's own wedding > dress, but you can apparently revert that if someone else does the > last stitch). > > All the while "Bridal Gowns: How to Make the Wedding Dress of Your Dreams" > by Susan E. Andriks is helping me a lot. It has a *wealth* of tips and > ideas which are actually not just useful for wedding gowns. > > Love to all > B arb ara M > _
