[h-cost] I found my way back!
I have been going through h-costume withdrawal since the beginning of August. YEA! I am back home! I have never been away from this email list this long. I bought a new laptop and thought that is why I couldn't receive email from h-costume. Tonight we found out that my email server had changed my security settings and had blocked the email list. While I was away, I have been having a lot of fun. I have purchased the following: ***about 200 vintage hats from 1920s-1960s *** two wedding dresses--one from the 1940s and another from the 1920s complete with the veil and undergarments. ***1940s evening gown ***Some late 1960s-early 1970s ladies' dresses ***set of very 1890s large fashion prints.they are larger than my new large scanner bed. ***lots of antique photos of weddings and 1860s families (found at a low price on a Mississippi trip) I wish my son would hurry up and take the wallpaper down in my future photo studio. I am dying to photograph these items. Antique Roadshow in Washington DC was a blast. They valued my collection of late 1890s/early 1900s French theater costume illustrations at over $10,000. The collection is now residing in a bank vault. AR said that to a fashion or theater historian, the collection is priceless. During the past month, I have photographed three events. The first event was Citie of Henricus-Publick Day, Chesterfield, VA. Henricus was the second English settlement in the New World. The second event was the Chickahominy Indian Pow-Wow. We have some great detailed photos and videos from this event. I was in costume heaven at this event. Friday , I photographed a 1950s sock hop Cruisin' on the Coast in Mississippi.lots of poodle skirts and vintage cars! You can see a few of the photos on my business' Facebook page. These are a sneak peak. I have about 1,000 photos from these events to put on my websites. Citie of Henricus-Publick Day: 399th Anniversary http://tiny.cc/yrz2b Chickahominy American Indian Pow-Wow http://tiny.cc/neu8cv3ri9 Penny Ladnier (who is thrilled to be back) Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Hi Penny, So, you'll be on camera??? And when will it air? Picture #1 from the Pow-wow: did you get to see what the base of his headpiece is made of? How do they get all the feathers to stick out in every direction (and not stab him in the head)? Kathy (I'm Still Here) Hoover At 03:27 AM 10/12/2010, you wrote: Antique Roadshow in Washington DC was a blast. They valued my collection of late 1890s/early 1900s French theater costume illustrations at over $10,000. The collection is now residing in a bank vault. AR said that to a fashion or theater historian, the collection is priceless. Chickahominy American Indian Pow-Wow http://tiny.cc/neu8cv3ri9 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Hi Kathy, Long time since we have chatted. They didn't film me at my request...I was going on no sleep and looked like crap. They were looking for American treasures to film. Since my collection is French they weren't that interested in filming it, thank goodness. I just really wanted to know the collection's value for insurance purposes. You might see me in the background when they show the bear skin rug. I was at the table behind them. The show airs in 2011. Pow-wow...I was trying to figure out the same thing about the headdress. There were about five men with this style headdress and various styles of make-up. The photos that I am going to put on my website are high resolution. So you might be able to tell more from those photos. BTW, the Indians at the pow-wow are not just Chickahominy people. I learned a lot by going to this event. First, the Chickahominy are the people who kidnapped Jamestowne's John Smith. Second, at a pow-wow, the host is the Chickahominy. They invited Indian nations from all over the U.S. Their dress is called regalia. They are offended if you call it costume. It may take a lifetime to complete their regalia. Some of the regalia may be inherited from an ancestor. The Chickahominy holds classes to teach their young people how to loom-bead and create their regalia. The Jingle Girls have an interesting history behind the bells on their regalia. The bells are made with old tobacco or snuff tin lids. We have some beautiful video of them dancing. The jingle makes an enchanting sound. You can see a close-up photo of a Jingle Girl's skirt on the Henricus slideshow. FYI, Henricus is up-river from Jamestowne. Pocahontas and John Rolfe were married there. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
I have put on Facebook some of my photos from the sock hop: http://tinyurl.com/22v3p37 Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Vintage wedding dress
Hi All: My great-aunt recently unearthed an old wedding dress from 1935. It is apparently (I haven't seen it) in good condition. My question is, does such a dress have any value? and if so, where would be best to enquire about selling it? I live in Australia. Thanks for any help, Rebecca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Forget removing the wallpaper---just hang fabric for a background. Much easier. :-) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penny1a Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:27 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] I found my way back! I have been going through h-costume withdrawal since the beginning of August. YEA! I am back home! I have never been away from this email list this long. I bought a new laptop and thought that is why I couldn't receive email from h-costume. Tonight we found out that my email server had changed my security settings and had blocked the email list. While I was away, I have been having a lot of fun. I have purchased the following: ***about 200 vintage hats from 1920s-1960s *** two wedding dresses--one from the 1940s and another from the 1920s complete with the veil and undergarments. ***1940s evening gown ***Some late 1960s-early 1970s ladies' dresses ***set of very 1890s large fashion prints.they are larger than my new large scanner bed. ***lots of antique photos of weddings and 1860s families (found at a low price on a Mississippi trip) I wish my son would hurry up and take the wallpaper down in my future photo studio. I am dying to photograph these items. Antique Roadshow in Washington DC was a blast. They valued my collection of late 1890s/early 1900s French theater costume illustrations at over $10,000. The collection is now residing in a bank vault. AR said that to a fashion or theater historian, the collection is priceless. During the past month, I have photographed three events. The first event was Citie of Henricus-Publick Day, Chesterfield, VA. Henricus was the second English settlement in the New World. The second event was the Chickahominy Indian Pow-Wow. We have some great detailed photos and videos from this event. I was in costume heaven at this event. Friday , I photographed a 1950s sock hop Cruisin' on the Coast in Mississippi.lots of poodle skirts and vintage cars! You can see a few of the photos on my business' Facebook page. These are a sneak peak. I have about 1,000 photos from these events to put on my websites. Citie of Henricus-Publick Day: 399th Anniversary http://tiny.cc/yrz2b Chickahominy American Indian Pow-Wow http://tiny.cc/neu8cv3ri9 Penny Ladnier (who is thrilled to be back) Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
I for one would be EXTREMELY interested in any of hte 1860's photos, to view them, since that is what I am working on now. If you decided to scan and post them, please let us know. Yours in cosutming, Lisa a On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 03:27:25 -0400 penny1a penn...@costumegallery.com writes: I have been going through h-costume withdrawal since the beginning of August. YEA! I am back home! I have never been away from this email list this long. I bought a new laptop and thought that is why I couldn't receive email from h-costume. Tonight we found out that my email server had changed my security settings and had blocked the email list. Antique Roadshow in Washington DC was a blast. They valued my collection of late 1890s/early 1900s French theater costume illustrations at over $10,000. The collection is now residing in a bank vault. AR said that to a fashion or theater historian, the collection is priceless. During the past month, I have photographed three events. The first event was Citie of Henricus-Publick Day, Chesterfield, VA. Henricus was the second English settlement in the New World. The second event was the Chickahominy Indian Pow-Wow. We have some great detailed photos and videos from this event. I was in costume heaven at this event. Friday , I photographed a 1950s sock hop Cruisin' on the Coast in Mississippi.lots of poodle skirts and vintage cars! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Their ress is called regalia. They are offended if you call it costume Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! Ann Wass -Original Message- From: penny1a penn...@costumegallery.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2010 4:41 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] I found my way back! Hi Kathy, Long time since we have chatted. They didn't film me at my request...I was oing on no sleep and looked like crap. They were looking for American reasures to film. Since my collection is French they weren't that nterested in filming it, thank goodness. I just really wanted to know the ollection's value for insurance purposes. You might see me in the ackground when they show the bear skin rug. I was at the table behind hem. The show airs in 2011. Pow-wow...I was trying to figure out the same thing about the headdress. here were about five men with this style headdress and various styles of ake-up. The photos that I am going to put on my website are high esolution. So you might be able to tell more from those photos. BTW, the Indians at the pow-wow are not just Chickahominy people. I learned lot by going to this event. First, the Chickahominy are the people who idnapped Jamestowne's John Smith. Second, at a pow-wow, the host is the hickahominy. They invited Indian nations from all over the U.S. Their ress is called regalia. They are offended if you call it costume. It may ake a lifetime to complete their regalia. Some of the regalia may be nherited from an ancestor. The Chickahominy holds classes to teach their oung people how to loom-bead and create their regalia. The Jingle Girls ave an interesting history behind the bells on their regalia. The bells re made with old tobacco or snuff tin lids. We have some beautiful video f them dancing. The jingle makes an enchanting sound. You can see a lose-up photo of a Jingle Girl's skirt on the Henricus slideshow. FYI, Henricus is up-river from Jamestowne. Pocahontas and John Rolfe were arried there. Penny Ladnier wner, The Costume Gallery Websites ww.costumegallery.com 4 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Square Dancers
My parents just say square dance clothes or outfits. And many, if not most, of the square dancers wear matching outfits to pretty much every dance, as the unit in square dancing is mostly the couple. Women: blouse skirt (or dress), men: matching shirt. Mom makes many of their outfits. :) Ann in CT --- On Tue, 10/12/10, annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com wrote: They are offended if you call it costume Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Square Dancers
My comment on square dancing was specifically the attire made for the committee members of the national square dance conventions. One of the ladies (who has since passed away) was adamant on the terminology of costume. But yet, I imagine most people call them clothes or outfits, and fewer dancers are going out of their way to wear special outfits today, at least in the Midatlantic, where I live and dance. Some festivals and other events still request square dance attire for the whole thing, or for evenings only--loosely, that is skirts for women (more women are opting for longer-length skirts, rather than short and pouffy, although that look still has its proponents) and long-sleeved shirts for the men. Jeans for men used to be frowned on, but that, too, is loosening up. Many clubs still have a club outfit that all members wear to special events or when visiting other clubs. Sometimes it is identical for everyone, sometimes just themed to the club colors. BTW--this mainly applies to modern Western square dancing, or club dancing--traditional square dancing is another activity, and, believe it or not, there is little cross over. I have researched the evolution of modern Western square dance attire, primarily for women, and gave a presentation a few years ago at the Costume Society of America's annual symposium, but I haven't written it up for publication. (Maybe someday. . . .) Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Ann Catelli elvestoor...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2010 9:47 am Subject: [h-cost] Square Dancers My parents just say square dance clothes or outfits. And many, if not most, of the square dancers wear matching outfits to pretty uch every dance, as the unit in square dancing is mostly the couple. omen: blouse skirt (or dress), men: matching shirt. Mom makes many of their outfits. :) Ann in CT --- On Tue, 10/12/10, annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com wrote: They are offended if you call it costume Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Ann Wass __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OOPS - forgot subject line - Chemise pattern
Will look for it. Next week I should have my notebooks of documentation unpacked. It will be in it. Aspasia On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Franchesca franchesca.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Try http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/search-old.cgi?s=drawstring+shift+l=hcos06 I did not see the URL there but if you find it post it here! Franchesca -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie Booker Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:24 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OOPS - forgot subject line - Chemise pattern We discussed drawstrings on shifts/chemises a few years ago, and the consensus was that before the 18th century they all had sewn gathers round the neck and wrists. I recently heard a talk by Stuart Peachey, the British expert on the 17th century, and asked him a question about this. He confirmed the above statement. -- There was a drawstring shift found in Scandinavia from either the 14th or 15th century. It was from an archelogical dig there. I don't have all my books with me right now, but I ran off a copy. I think it might have been on the Historical Costume List.. I should have bookmarked it. Aspasia Moonwind ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Aspasia Moonwind ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Italian chemise
This is a lovely chemise. Judging by how very tiny the pleats/gathers are it must be a very fine fabric. I haven't had much luck finding fine linen that wasn't outrageously expensive. Where have you found fine linen in the U.S.? Julie in Ramona h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: I have to make this chemise. Someone else had inquired about the bodice in this picture, but the chemise just really hooked me. http://exhibits.denverartmuseum.org/artisansandkings/?page_id=23 The painting is by Titian and the title is Woman with a Mirror, at least on wga.hu. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!)
On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! And in the Society for Creative Anachronism it's garb. When people are talking about their medieval clothes, they are sometimes garb, sometimes simply clothes -- very few people call them a costume (at least in my hearing), although someone who makes such medieval clothes is usually a costumer. I prefer clothes, as do many of the people I hang out with, but garb is handy as a one-word term for the clothes I wear to SCA events, as opposed to the clothes I wear on other days. OChris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian chemise
Hi Julie, It depends on how you define outrageously. I've bought handkerchief linen from all these folks: www.fabric-store.com www.fabric.com www.wmboothdraper.com www.graylinelinen.com And maybe some others that I can't remember at the moment. Quality varies from good to really good. None of the hanky linen I've gotten from these folks, however, will give you the look of the chemise that Laurie is attempting to make. The hand is just not soft enough. Perhaps the linen I've gotten just isn't fine enough, but more generally, linen is a pretty springy fiber, and would want to poof if you gathered so much of it so tightly. Claudine - Original Message From: Julie jtkn...@jtknits.cts.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 8:12:02 AM Subject: [h-cost] Italian chemise This is a lovely chemise. Judging by how very tiny the pleats/gathers are it must be a very fine fabric. I haven't had much luck finding fine linen that wasn't outrageously expensive. Where have you found fine linen in the U.S.? Julie in Ramona h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: I have to make this chemise. Someone else had inquired about the bodice in this picture, but the chemise just really hooked me. http://exhibits.denverartmuseum.org/artisansandkings/?page_id=23 The painting is by Titian and the title is Woman with a Mirror, at least on wga.hu. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian chemise
Hi, I'm doing a trial run on this chemise in a very light cotton. Still looking for linen, but considering the IL030 from fabrics-store.com, or the new bolt that is coming in at Renaissance Fabrics. Laurie -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Julie Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:12 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Italian chemise This is a lovely chemise. Judging by how very tiny the pleats/gathers are it must be a very fine fabric. I haven't had much luck finding fine linen that wasn't outrageously expensive. Where have you found fine linen in the U.S.? Julie in Ramona h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: I have to make this chemise. Someone else had inquired about the bodice in this picture, but the chemise just really hooked me. http://exhibits.denverartmuseum.org/artisansandkings/?page_id=23 The painting is by Titian and the title is Woman with a Mirror, at least on wga.hu. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chemise pattern
There are examples of the camicia/chemise with a quasy raglan sleeve but they have gussets. Smocking and gathering was done. A ruler and blue chalk to mark the stitches or if in a hurry, a basting stitch on your sewing machine will help give even gatherings for pleating. If you have patience you can count the threads. Side note, the chemise's hem does not go to the floor, it is usually calf length. Fabric was silk or linen (I have heard rumors of cotton as well for mid to late 1500s) Currently, silk and cotton are your cheapest route. You can get the light weight, near sheer linen from a company in Europe for roughly $45 yd. 36 wide. Most settle for handkerchief weight linen which is a shade or two heavier then sheer linen. There is a Yahoo Groups list for Italian Renaissance costuming. You should be able to get even more info. on Italian Ren clothing there. The pic that you chose is Venetian influence and therefore you may wish to peruse the Realm of Venus site as there are some differences of clothing between Italian city states. De -Original Message- (snip) I agree completely about the 'gathering' looking like very fine cartridge pleating. It will be a test of my stitching patience, but I love the look. Yes, the softer and lighter the fabric, the better my odds for success. I'll try my cotton first, just as a practice run and because it is here and ready. After that...time to shop I suppose. Thank you so much for your response. With everything that everyone has offered up in the way of links and ideas, I'm comfortable finally with getting this chemise started and finished. Laurie T. -Original Message- As I recall, the general consensus is that this raglan-style is not supported by current research. If you want a more documentable pattern, go with this one: http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/chemise.html Refer also to Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 4 for tips on how to accomplish the gathering. Gathering, back in their day, is a lot more like super-fine cartridge pleating. That's really just how it turns out when you do gathering stitches by hand (it doesn't have to, but it sure looks good that way). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chemise pattern
Not that I'm in the market for it currently ;) but I'd love to know the name of the company in Europe that offers the sheer linen... -M On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, otsisto otsi...@socket.net wrote: There are examples of the camicia/chemise with a quasy raglan sleeve but they have gussets. Smocking and gathering was done. A ruler and blue chalk to mark the stitches or if in a hurry, a basting stitch on your sewing machine will help give even gatherings for pleating. If you have patience you can count the threads. Side note, the chemise's hem does not go to the floor, it is usually calf length. Fabric was silk or linen (I have heard rumors of cotton as well for mid to late 1500s) Currently, silk and cotton are your cheapest route. You can get the light weight, near sheer linen from a company in Europe for roughly $45 yd. 36 wide. Most settle for handkerchief weight linen which is a shade or two heavier then sheer linen. There is a Yahoo Groups list for Italian Renaissance costuming. You should be able to get even more info. on Italian Ren clothing there. The pic that you chose is Venetian influence and therefore you may wish to peruse the Realm of Venus site as there are some differences of clothing between Italian city states. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes
It's a funny thing, since the Costume Society of America says it's all costume, even what I'm wearing right now. :-) For many people, costume is for Halloween and theater, so most groups who have specialized clothing for other purposes will pick another term. Any word we choose can still be said with some disdain and eye-rolling. When it's asked respectfully (and I think most times it is), then I agree we can explain the differences without taking an offended posture. -Carol On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Chris Laning wrote: On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! And in the Society for Creative Anachronism it's garb. When people are talking about their medieval clothes, they are sometimes garb, sometimes simply clothes -- very few people call them a costume (at least in my hearing), although someone who makes such medieval clothes is usually a costumer. I prefer clothes, as do many of the people I hang out with, but garb is handy as a one-word term for the clothes I wear to SCA events, as opposed to the clothes I wear on other days. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!)
This makes me wonder when do the term clothes come into use. I have not seen the term used up to the 1920s. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Costume, clothes, regalia, garb, etc
We just spent the weekend with outdoorsy friends who refer to all their parkas and waterproof pants and windbreakers and hiking boots and such as gear. Martha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!)
The first instance listed by the Oxford English Dictionary for apparel is circa 800 AD. For bed clothing, circa 300 AD. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s clothing patterns! www.lavoltapress.com On 10/12/2010 11:01 AM, penny1a wrote: This makes me wonder when do the term clothes come into use. I have not seen the term used up to the 1920s. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Their use of regalia is that they are putting on their finest clothing, they are regaling themselves. It is believed that the word costume is for garments worn for Halloween. The dance regalia is something different then a dress up and pretend piece of clothing. The use of regalia instead of costumes began roughly around the 1980s. The purpose was reclaiming heritage and putting a more serious label on the garments. Not all the tribes use the word regalia to define ceremonial clothing. The head piece is a skullcap base. The feather's tip is covered with a wool felt piece of cloth and then sinew is wrapped to secure it and then the feather is sewn on. There are variations to the feather tip treatment. There is a hat pin with feathers that holds the headdress on and sometimes a chin string. The Jingle Dance is referred to as a medicine dance. There are several stories but all have a sick girl involved. There are two styles of dance, the jump/skip kind is mostly done by the Ojibwa and the shuffle style by the Iroquois. The original cones were out of condensed milk can lids and then, because of the stamp on the tobacco can lids, those lids replace the milk can lids. Among the Ojibwa families, they have a ceremonial process in making a jingle dress. The fancy shawl dance is not a medicine dance, it is the female equivalent to the male fancy dancers. There were female fancy dancers when the dance was created but as life progressed the modesty of the 50s and 60s somewhat ended that. De Who lives near a descendant of Pocahontas' sister and a descendant of Massasoit's daughter. -Original Message- ress is called regalia. They are offended if you call it costume Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! Ann Wass -Original Message- First, the Chickahominy are the people whoidnapped Jamestowne's John Smith. Second, at a pow-wow, the host is the hickahominy. They invited Indian nations from all over the U.S. Their ress is called regalia. They are offended if you call it costume. It may ake a lifetime to complete their regalia. Some of the regalia may be nherited from an ancestor. The Chickahominy holds classes to teach their oung people how to loom-bead and create their regalia. The Jingle Girls ave an interesting history behind the bells on their regalia. The bells re made with old tobacco or snuff tin lids. We have some beautiful video f them dancing. The jingle makes an enchanting sound. You can see a lose-up photo of a Jingle Girl's skirt on the Henricus slideshow. FYI, Henricus is up-river from Jamestowne. Pocahontas and John Rolfe werearried there. Penny Ladnier ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes
When I explain to the lay public that I make conservation-grade mannequins for museums to display their costume collections, I usually say historic clothing collections because costume really does bring theater and Halloween to mind for most people and I find I have more explaining to do Astrida -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carol Kocian Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes It's a funny thing, since the Costume Society of America says it's all costume, even what I'm wearing right now. :-) For many people, costume is for Halloween and theater, so most groups who have specialized clothing for other purposes will pick another term. Any word we choose can still be said with some disdain and eye-rolling. When it's asked respectfully (and I think most times it is), then I agree we can explain the differences without taking an offended posture. -Carol On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Chris Laning wrote: On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! And in the Society for Creative Anachronism it's garb. When people are talking about their medieval clothes, they are sometimes garb, sometimes simply clothes -- very few people call them a costume (at least in my hearing), although someone who makes such medieval clothes is usually a costumer. I prefer clothes, as do many of the people I hang out with, but garb is handy as a one-word term for the clothes I wear to SCA events, as opposed to the clothes I wear on other days. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!)
In the UK, you hear the term kit a lot. When doing my Victorian stuff, we usually say we are going in kit instead of in garb or in costume. :) From: Chris Laning clan...@igc.org To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 4:35:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!) On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! And in the Society for Creative Anachronism it's garb. When people are talking about their medieval clothes, they are sometimes garb, sometimes simply clothes -- very few people call them a costume (at least in my hearing), although someone who makes such medieval clothes is usually a costumer. I prefer clothes, as do many of the people I hang out with, but garb is handy as a one-word term for the clothes I wear to SCA events, as opposed to the clothes I wear on other days. O Chris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes
I really think it depends upon who you are talking to as to the term used. Last weekend, I was around the general public and referred to my work as a fashion historian. This is the easiest term for the general public to understand. But I did explain to those interested the Costume Society/academic definition of costume. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!)
Few in academia seem to want to use costume anymore, but they are stuck with both organizations in the UK and US that use the name. Last year, the audience endured a 5 minute rant from a historian about how much she hated the use of costume -- it had to be apparel. And frankly, if they changed it to The Apparel Society of America it would sound like a retail group. So it really just depends. On 10/12/10 1:29 PM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: In the UK, you hear the term kit a lot. When doing my Victorian stuff, we usually say we are going in kit instead of in garb or in costume. :) From: Chris Laning clan...@igc.org To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 4:35:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!) On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! And in the Society for Creative Anachronism it's garb. When people are talking about their medieval clothes, they are sometimes garb, sometimes simply clothes -- very few people call them a costume (at least in my hearing), although someone who makes such medieval clothes is usually a costumer. I prefer clothes, as do many of the people I hang out with, but garb is handy as a one-word term for the clothes I wear to SCA events, as opposed to the clothes I wear on other days. OChris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California +http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Thank you Sharon for the suggestion. This is the original wallpaper from 1978 when the house was built...so it was installed with paste. It is also waterproof paper. We have considered hanging new sheet rock. That may be easier. I have taken down a lot of wallpaper and the is the most difficult. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!)
the term kit a lot. I like kit because, to me, it implies all the other stuff one takes along besides actual clothes. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!) In the UK, you hear the term kit a lot. When doing my Victorian stuff, we sually say we are going in kit instead of in garb or in costume. :) ___ rom: Chris Laning clan...@igc.org o: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com ent: Tue, October 12, 2010 4:35:50 PM ubject: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!) n Oct 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! nd in the Society for Creative Anachronism it's garb. When people are talking about their medieval clothes, they are sometimes garb, ometimes simply clothes -- very few people call them a costume (at least in y hearing), although someone who makes such medieval clothes is usually a costumer. I prefer clothes, as do many of the people I hang out with, but garb is andy as a one-word term for the clothes I wear to SCA events, as opposed to he clothes I wear on other days. OChris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume, clothes, regalia, garb, etc
Instead of the Costume Society of America, it could be the Historical Habiliments Society of America. Those of us who belong to the Costumers Guild, could call ourselves the Raiments Guild. Or maybe not. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Martha Kelly marthake...@nyc.rr.com wrote: We just spent the weekend with outdoorsy friends who refer to all their parkas and waterproof pants and windbreakers and hiking boots and such as gear. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Words for those who study clothes--was Words for clothes
Few in academia seem to want to use costume anymore, but they are stuck with oth organizations in the UK and US that use the name. Yes, I've been involved with CSA (Costume Society of America) for some time now and the debate arises from time to time. I can understand the issue with costume but none of the other alternatives has struck me as any better, and some are much less so, as they do imply a narrower focus. As my husband says, how does one know what, for example, 3M (formerly Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing) does? And the answer is, branding and marketing. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Nordtorp-Madson, Michelle A. manordto...@stthomas.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2010 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!) Few in academia seem to want to use costume anymore, but they are stuck with oth organizations in the UK and US that use the name. Last year, the audience ndured a 5 minute rant from a historian about how much she hated the use of costume -- it had to be apparel. And frankly, if they changed it to The pparel Society of America it would sound like a retail group. So it really ust depends. n 10/12/10 1:29 PM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: In the UK, you hear the term kit a lot. When doing my Victorian stuff, we sually say we are going in kit instead of in garb or in costume. :) ___ rom: Chris Laning clan...@igc.org o: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com ent: Tue, October 12, 2010 4:35:50 PM ubject: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!) n Oct 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Now here is another interesting use of a word for one's clothing and accouterments. Had to look up exactly what regalia means--I have of course seen it to mean one's trappings, outfit, etc. Its origin, though, which makes sense if one thinks about it, is the rights and privileges belong to a monarch or ruler. I referred to myself as a costume historian to a War of 1812 reenactor, and he insisted his outfit is clothing, not costume. Yet, among square dancers, the preferred term for the matching outfits worn by everyone on the committee of a national square dance convention is costume. Clothing, apparel, attire, costume, regalia--I guess it is like one's own personal name--one should use the term the individual (or group) prefers. However, one shouldn't be offended if a poor soul uses the wrong term because one doesn't know what that group prefers! nd in the Society for Creative Anachronism it's garb. When people are talking about their medieval clothes, they are sometimes garb, ometimes simply clothes -- very few people call them a costume (at least in y hearing), although someone who makes such medieval clothes is usually a costumer. I prefer clothes, as do many of the people I hang out with, but garb is andy as a one-word term for the clothes I wear to SCA events, as opposed to he clothes I wear on other days. OChris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1860s photos
Lisa, I have just started collecting 1860s, so this collection is not very big yet. I do have a nice large group wedding photo from England. Another 1860s photo I purchased from GWTW costume designer Walter Plunkett's grandson. The reason this collection is small is because in Richmond, Virginia 1860s photos are very expensive. Last week during my Mississippi trip, we went antiquing and found 1860s photos for $6 each. I bought everyone that I found. Ironically all the photos are the North. My future daughter-in-law was with me at the antique stores. She is minoring in costume design and knows the period's costumes. She is keeping an eye out for more 1860s photos in MS and Alabama. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sheer linen RE: Chemise pattern
Bjarne posted it long ago and I knew I didn't have the funds then or have it in the future so I didn't save it. I think it was in Copenhagan and actually I think it was $65 and not $45. Also I vaguely remember someone mentioning a European fabric store that specialized in Catholic fabrics that had the sheer linen for openwork, again didn't save it. I have found at Jo Ann's a cotton/linen blend that came very close to the chemise weight. I think it is called tissue linen. De -Original Message- Not that I'm in the market for it currently ;) but I'd love to know the name of the company in Europe that offers the sheer linen... -M ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (WAS: Re: I found my way back!)
Usually it does. Most Norse reinactors when saying kit usually means clothing, knives, shoes, belt...etc. De -Original Message- the term kit a lot. I like kit because, to me, it implies all the other stuff one takes along besides actual clothes. Ann Wass -Original Message- In the UK, you hear the term kit a lot. When doing my Victorian stuff, we sually say we are going in kit instead of in garb or in costume. :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes (Carol Kocian)
I always explain that what we wear in my reenactment group are clothes. Costumes would not survive the work-a-day life they get in our endeavors. My title, suggested by a very discerning friend, is Historic Clothing Coordinator. Grand, ain't it? ;D Ever, Regina Lawson Historic Clothing Coordinator Clan MacColin of Glenderry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume
I generally consider costume to mean something not intended for wearing for other than a party, play, or trick-or-treat. Only reason my outfit for MD Ren. Fest. gets garb and often just clothes instead of costume is that it tends to get a real workout... from a few singes from helping put out a small fire, to running all over the place, spilling stuff on it, sitting around (managing to sew the skirt to something *once), singing, kitchen duty, etc. Now if I get around to finishing my faire outfit for play...*that'll* probably get referred to as costume... garb would be at a pinch. Kinda like it's rare to see someone wear a national costume and ever do any real work while wearing it... but traditional clothes are sometimes worn By someone at work :-) -Liz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sheer linen RE: Chemise pattern
I have some of that Joann's cotton/linen blend that I use for linings (it is rather limp, and I prefer 100% linen for smocks). Joanns seems to be phasing out this type of blend, as their online bolts were out, and all I'm finding in my local store at present is the linen/rayon blend which isn't as nice to use. If you can find it, snag it. I know I keep looking, as it is rather nice and soft. I think Bjarne also mentioned that his usual store was out of the really nice linen at the time and he was looking for another source. Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Be the change you want to see in the world. ~ Ghandi The Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern http://www.margospatterns.com/ Bjarne posted it long ago and I knew I didn't have the funds then or have it in the future so I didn't save it. ... snip I have found at Jo Ann's a cotton/linen blend that came very close to the chemise weight. I think it is called tissue linen. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume, clothes, regalia, garb, etc
Sure, Cynthia, Do you want me to put that on the agenda for the annual meeting? ;) Ann Catelli Pres. ICG --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Those of us who belong to the Costumers Guild, could call ourselves the Raiments Guild. Or maybe not. --cin Cynthia Barnes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume, clothes, regalia, garb, etc
*giggle* Sounds great! Because the word costume is so confusing. --cin Cynthia Barnes, GBACG CGW cinbar...@gmail.com On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Ann Catelli elvestoor...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure, Cynthia, Do you want me to put that on the agenda for the annual meeting? ;) Ann Catelli Pres. ICG --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Those of us who belong to the Costumers Guild, could call ourselves the Raiments Guild. Or maybe not. --cin Cynthia Barnes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes
I have deleted the relevant message in this thread, but am replying just the same. Use of the term Clothes--Just dated it to 1867, as Horatio Alger's Ragged Dick uses the term on its third page. Ann in CT ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Vintage wedding dress
You may want to check E-bay to see what similar items are going for. As special occasion clothing, wedding dresses do tend to be saved. They have more sentimental value to people in the family than to others. Is there a drycleaner who specializes in wedding dresses who can assess the condition? It may look good but have dry rot and not suitable to wear. The larger the size, the easier it would be to find a bride interested in it. -Carol On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Rebecca Tonkin wrote: Hi All: My great-aunt recently unearthed an old wedding dress from 1935. It is apparently (I haven't seen it) in good condition. My question is, does such a dress have any value? and if so, where would be best to enquire about selling it? I live in Australia. Thanks for any help, Rebecca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes
Thank you Ann. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 6:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Words for clothes I have deleted the relevant message in this thread, but am replying just the same. Use of the term Clothes--Just dated it to 1867, as Horatio Alger's Ragged Dick uses the term on its third page. Ann in CT ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume, clothes, regalia, garb, etc
May I suggest that you might start with the OED (Oxford English Dictionary) for the costume nomen. This presentation makes great clarity at least to me as the major explanation of the difference between historical garmentents and context with the history that they are trying to represent. Kathleen Mitchell? Original Message- From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com Sent 10/12/2010 4:09:00 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume, clothes, regalia, garb, etc*giggle* Sounds great! Because the word costume is so confusing. --cin Cynthia Barnes, GBACG CGW cinbar...@gmail.com On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Ann Catelli elvestoor...@yahoo.com wrot e: Sure, Cynthia, Do you want me to put that on the agenda for the annual meeting? ?;) Ann Catelli Pres. ICG --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Those of us who belong to the Costumers Guild, could call ourselves the Raiments Guild. Or maybe not. --cin Cynthia Barnes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Welcome back, Penny! I noticed on one of the Henricus photos you wondered what the name of the tool was that was being used for finger-braiding. I believe it's called a lucet. One of the places you can get one is Hedgehog Handworks (don't have a URL handy, just Google...) Sandy At 02:27 AM 10/12/2010, you wrote: During the past month, I have photographed three events. The first event was Citie of Henricus-Publick Day, Chesterfield, VA. Henricus was the second English settlement in the New World. Citie of Henricus-Publick Day: 399th Anniversary http://tiny.cc/yrz2b Penny Ladnier (who is thrilled to be back) International Costumers' Guild Archivist http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I found my way back!
Thank you Sandy! I am so glad to know the name of the tool. My little grand-daughter is very crafty. I want to give her one for Christmas. She loves crocheting and braiding. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
