Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
I mean honestly who cares if it is legal? I refuse to buy from such a seller regardless. OK, so don't buy from them. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
Thank you for once again being the legal council of the list. But as I said in my previous email and you neglected to quote, I don't care whether it is legal or not. Nor did I ask if it was legal. I mean honestly who cares if it is legal? I refuse to buy from such a seller regardless. From: Lavolta Press To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 6:21:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy > To be more specific, Anybook NEVER had any inventory. Ever. They would troll > online book sellers (probably using a bot) to source used books that were for > sale online. They would then use a formula which would mark up the book by a > great percentage. Then they would list the book for sale. Not the same title... > the exact same used book. This is not illegal and again, unless against the bookseller's contract with the online lister, perfectly legitimate. I've occasionally seen some of my in-print books listed at two or three thousand dollars apiece. So what? Everyone is free to do an online price comparison and no one is forced to buy. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s clothing patterns! www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
To be more specific, Anybook NEVER had any inventory. Ever. They would troll online book sellers (probably using a bot) to source used books that were for sale online. They would then use a formula which would mark up the book by a great percentage. Then they would list the book for sale. Not the same title... the exact same used book. This is not illegal and again, unless against the bookseller's contract with the online lister, perfectly legitimate. I've occasionally seen some of my in-print books listed at two or three thousand dollars apiece. So what? Everyone is free to do an online price comparison and no one is forced to buy. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s clothing patterns! www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
I think you misunderstood me. I know back-ordering is quite common and see it all the time in nearly every retail industry. Who hasn't? I had to look up the name of the bookstore. It isn't Hacienda Books. It is Anybook. It is based out of Hialeah, FL so maybe that is where I got the name confusion. But google them. They are trouble. And I don't mean by backordering. To be more specific, Anybook NEVER had any inventory. Ever. They would troll online book sellers (probably using a bot) to source used books that were for sale online. They would then use a formula which would mark up the book by a great percentage. Then they would list the book for sale. Not the same title... the exact same used book. For example, They saw the Herald book for sale at Bob's Online Bookstore for $600 and their bot automatically made an entry on ABE Books offering that copy of the book at Bob's for $3,000. If Bob's also had a used copy of The Shining for $4, their bot would put that book up for sale also at a price of $20. If someone bought the book from them, they would then try to purchase it from Bob's Bookstore. Of course, usually it was already sold elsewhere. I really don't care if this is legal or not. But they won't get my business. I don't know if they are still in business, but when I see an excessively inflated price for a book, I always wonder if it is that company working under a new name. From: Lavolta Press To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 5:54:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy On 10/8/2010 1:45 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: > Whenever I have seen it priced that high, it is because the seller is not > legitimate. They troll for other places selling the book, then offer it for >sale > at a zillion percent mark up. If you buy it, they will then buy it from the > other seller. You may well want to do your own price search on a book. But it is actually perfectly legal and common for a seller to back order when they do not have a book in stock. And as long as back ordering does not conflict with the contractual terms of ABE or whatever online service the book is listed on, it is also legitimate. As for Renaissance Dress in Italy, I bought it years ago when it was either still in print or recently out of print; not at a high price. Scholarly costuming books are often in print for such a short time that I always try to keep in touch with what is published and buy it right away. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books on 1880s clothing! www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
On 10/8/2010 1:45 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: Whenever I have seen it priced that high, it is because the seller is not legitimate. They troll for other places selling the book, then offer it for sale at a zillion percent mark up. If you buy it, they will then buy it from the other seller. You may well want to do your own price search on a book. But it is actually perfectly legal and common for a seller to back order when they do not have a book in stock. And as long as back ordering does not conflict with the contractual terms of ABE or whatever online service the book is listed on, it is also legitimate. As for Renaissance Dress in Italy, I bought it years ago when it was either still in print or recently out of print; not at a high price. Scholarly costuming books are often in print for such a short time that I always try to keep in touch with what is published and buy it right away. Fran Lavolta Press Two new books on 1880s clothing! www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
Based on previous posts, the first one on the list at www.bookfinder.com for $202 is an absolute steal. -Helen/Aid an ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
I saw this listed on ABEBOOKS last year for about $1,300. Luckily, I already have a copy. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Charlene Charette To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 11:28 pm Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy Good grief. This is the highest price I've seen so far. And for x-library, at that. But they'll generously donate £0.25 to charity. ah! http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=3510504977&cm_ven=nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want&cm_ite=viewbook --Charlene - ver notice that when you try to "knock on wood," you become acutely ware that the world is largely comprised of synthetics? -- Aaron aro's Ruminations.com ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
On 10/7/2010 11:27 PM, Charlene Charette wrote: Good grief. This is the highest price I've seen so far. And for ex-library, at that. But they'll generously donate £0.25 to charity. Bah! http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=3510504977&cm_ven=nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want&cm_ite=viewbook --Charlene I actually saw one for $5K -- but that was about 6 years ago. Most of them in the last 3 or 4 years have been much more reasonably priced. -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
Whenever I have seen it priced that high, it is because the seller is not legitimate. They troll for other places selling the book, then offer it for sale at a zillion percent mark up. If you buy it, they will then buy it from the other seller. But usually it is gone. The one that was doing it before was hacienda books (I am pretty sure that was the name located in Florida as I recall), but I think they got closed down. This could be their reincarnation. From: Charlene Charette To: Historical Costume Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 4:27:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy Good grief. This is the highest price I've seen so far. And for ex-library, at that. But they'll generously donate £0.25 to charity. Bah! http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=3510504977&cm_ven=nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want&cm_ite=viewbook --Charlene -- Ever notice that when you try to "knock on wood," you become acutely aware that the world is largely comprised of synthetics? -- Aaron Karo's Ruminations.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
Well, it is the ultimate book for most of us that can never ever go to the places these paintings reside. My beef, if I had one, would be with how much is going to charity. Sigh, that is pitifully small unless it is a misprint and they meant percentage and not pounds. Franchesca > -Original Message- > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Charlene Charette > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:28 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy > > Good grief. This is the highest price I've seen so far. And for ex-library, at > that. But they'll generously donate £0.25 to charity. > Bah! > > http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=3510504977&cm_ven > =nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want&cm_ite=viewbook > > --Charlene > > > -- > Ever notice that when you try to "knock on wood," you become acutely > aware that the world is largely comprised of synthetics? -- Aaron Karo's > Ruminations.com > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Renaissance Dress in Italy
Good grief. This is the highest price I've seen so far. And for ex-library, at that. But they'll generously donate £0.25 to charity. Bah! http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=3510504977&cm_ven=nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want&cm_ite=viewbook --Charlene -- Ever notice that when you try to "knock on wood," you become acutely aware that the world is largely comprised of synthetics? -- Aaron Karo's Ruminations.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
If you hadnt told me, i would never have guessed because i was so sure about the S and Queen Sofie. I also noted that the same thing occurs round her neck in the smaller jewellry. Bjarne - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress > No need to apologize, I'm just a fresh set of eyes looking at it. I'm sure > you would have realized it eventually. I can't wait to see the finished > product! (But I'll make do with the interesting 'in progress' postings in > the mean time.) > > Karen > Seamstrix > > -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh you are quite right, sorry about that mistake, > Thanks for the informations.. > > Bjarne > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress > > >>I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off >>base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can >>see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to >>wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was >>particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with >>England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. >>Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the >>wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the >>question. >> >> Karen >> Seamstrix >> >> -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait >> and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm >> I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is >> Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the >> king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a >> gift from the queen. >> >> Bjarne >> ___ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _ >> Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 >> ___ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _ > Click here to become certified in medical billing and training at these > schools. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3ol4Ju547MllPNBke42Cmnn2ui3OzXKVDT0dktzD1FaOro7e/?count=1234567890 > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
No need to apologize, I'm just a fresh set of eyes looking at it. I'm sure you would have realized it eventually. I can't wait to see the finished product! (But I'll make do with the interesting 'in progress' postings in the mean time.) Karen Seamstrix -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh you are quite right, sorry about that mistake, Thanks for the informations.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress >I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off >base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can >see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to >wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was >particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with >England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. >Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the >wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the >question. > > Karen > Seamstrix > > -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait > and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm > I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is > Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the > king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a > gift from the queen. > > Bjarne > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _ > Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Click here to become certified in medical billing and training at these schools. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3ol4Ju547MllPNBke42Cmnn2ui3OzXKVDT0dktzD1FaOro7e/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
Oh you are quite right, sorry about that mistake, Thanks for the informations.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress >I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off >base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can >see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to >wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was >particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with >England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. >Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the >wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the >question. > > Karen > Seamstrix > > -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait > and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm > I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is > Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the > king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a > gift from the queen. > > Bjarne > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _ > Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance dress
I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off base on the necklace. If you look closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H. In period it was common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS' which are the Latin initials of Jesus. It was particularly used in the Protestant countries (I'm most familiar with England) because wearing a crucifix was out of favor as being too Papist. Personally, I think this is the most likely explanation although the wearing of initials/symbols of significant people is not out of the question. Karen Seamstrix -- "Leif og Bjarne Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Boost your productivity with new office software. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEauJF0hy8b9dqtW7dfMZioyP8RtXNYN7FSyPJEN3RPUghi/?count=1234567890 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] renaissance dress
I have uploaded some more pictures. I made a drawing after the portrait and removed the hands from the front, and this is my theory of her skirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I wondered about her juwelry necklace with the big S on it. Her name is Constance, but i found out she was a lady in waiting at the court of the king Christian IV's mother Sofie who came from Mecklenburg. It must be a gift from the queen. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
