RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=91 Scroll down to portrait of a woman. look at all the slash work and white gloves. http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. De -Original Message- OMG ... those GLOVES That is a super super super fine leather . if it is real and not just an artist interpretation. H Does anyone know of an inventory of costumes and accessories for Katharina? Chiara Francesca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown
http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/5/01duke.html Katharina again in an even better view. http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. That is a super super super fine leather . if it is real and not just an artist interpretation. H Does anyone know of an inventory of costumes and accessories for Katharina? Not just artistic licence: http://pintura.aut.org/SearchProducto?Produnum=132982 But Cranach did tend to be a little creative with his art. Sometimes the rings under the glove sit higher on the finger than a ring over the glove. Ah Pintura. I keep forgetting you despite the many hours I have spent wasting bandwidth over you. Michaela http://gtlittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have fanciful stuff, it doesn't explain the lacy stuff under the left arm. The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. I have other garments to analyze so this one is on the back burner for now. De -Original Message- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown
Yeah, that gown has been on my to-do list for a while. It's stunning! Sharon Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooo, lookit the one that's two down from Katharina... it's black with a gold-coloured placket and all those PEARLS!!! I want to make that one... the hat's a little wacky, but oh wow, the black--is that velvet? Pearl work all down the sides, and more beading on the gold top of the placket... Yum... :) Meli ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
I haven't been able to get into this site all morning. I think I know which picture you're talking about, but I can't tell! Could someone send me a .jpg of it directly? MaggiRos --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have fanciful stuff, it doesn't explain the lacy stuff under the left arm. The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. I have other garments to analyze so this one is on the back burner for now. De -Original Message- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salom� con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
I seem to be having problems as well. I'll see if it is on another site. In the mean time found this http://worldart.sjsu.edu/VieO4319$18982*2454744 As for the black w/pearls, a large clearer image http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23244 Found it http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23232 http://tinyurl.com/22skb2 -Original Message- I haven't been able to get into this site all morning. I think I know which picture you're talking about, but I can't tell! Could someone send me a .jpg of it directly? MaggiRos --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have fanciful stuff, it doesn't explain the lacy stuff under the left arm. The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. I have other garments to analyze so this one is on the back burner for now. De -Original Message- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salom� con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown
The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm I'm not sure that it is. It looks more like there was a belt originally that was painted over. The curve matches the way he painted them in other artworks. but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/metabook/oilace.html That latter is just for Italian laces but it does have lots of extant examples. It may well have been overpainted at a later date. Chranach was churning these ladies out like nobodies business it seems because they were a good seller. This one is a particularly rushed job compared to some of his finer more carefully painted figures. Michaela http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
discusssion picture http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23232 It might be lace. This sort of looks like a possibility http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/renaissance/lace/7.gif though it is not German. It is also 1598 so yes it's a far reach. :) -Original Message- The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm I'm not sure that it is. It looks more like there was a belt originally that was painted over. The curve matches the way he painted them in other artworks. but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/metabook/oilace.html That latter is just for Italian laces but it does have lots of extant examples. Cranach was churning these ladies out like nobodies business it seems because they were a good seller. This one is a particularly rushed job compared to some of his finer more carefully painted figures. Michaela http://glittersweet.com ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
OMG ... those GLOVES That is a super super super fine leather . if it is real and not just an artist interpretation. H Does anyone know of an inventory of costumes and accessories for Katharina? Chiara Francesca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Henderson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Another German Gown Ooo, lookit the one that's two down from Katharina... it's black with a gold-coloured placket and all those PEARLS!!! I want to make that one... the hat's a little wacky, but oh wow, the black--is that velvet? Pearl work all down the sides, and more beading on the gold top of the placket... Yum... :) Meli De wrote: --- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=106 Click on the little picture and a new screen comes up, click on that picture and another screen which will allow you to enlarge a bit more then the wikipedia and a bit clearer. From the left of the skirt it appears to be appliqué with embroidery for tacking down the edges and details. This would make sense to have the appliqué instead of reverse appliqué as the use of scrapes was more frugal then cutting out a piece so that the background shows through. I had seen one painting with what appears to be reverse appliqué but the cutout pieces was used on the garment elsewhere. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
