Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Claire Clarke]

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:08:00 -0400
From: "Rickard, Patty" 
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Well, having used silk thread on a cotton garment & having had it pull its
way through the fabric, I can attest to at least one misuse. (the silk
matched better, that's all I can say)
Patty

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Sharon Collier
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:59 AM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

On a related note, I heard that using the wrong type of thread can damage
the fabric. Anyone ever hear of this and/or have more info?
Sharon C.

Yes, if the thread is made from a fibre that is stronger than the fibres
from which the fabric is made then it can tear, as Patty has experienced.
Although it's more likely to happen in seams that are under stress.
Embroidering silk on linen is unlikely to cause a problem, for instance,
because it is not under tension. But using silk thread to sew a
tight-fitting cotton bodice could be a problem.
Strong fibres are linen, silk, polyester and nylon. Weak fibres are cotton
and wool. 
But there's no mathematical equation here. A heavy or densely woven cotton
fabric like denim or coutil might not be such a problem to sew with silk
thread. 

Claire

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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Rickard, Patty]

Well, having used silk thread on a cotton garment & having had it pull its way 
through the fabric, I can attest to at least one misuse. (the silk matched 
better, that's all I can say)
Patty

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On 
Behalf Of Sharon Collier
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:59 AM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

On a related note, I heard that using the wrong type of thread can damage the 
fabric. Anyone ever hear of this and/or have more info?
Sharon C.


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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Sharon Collier]

On a related note, I heard that using the wrong type of thread can damage
the fabric. Anyone ever hear of this and/or have more info?
Sharon C.

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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions


I knew answers on thread preference would be all over the map--some like
"fancy pants European threads," some don't.Also interesting to note that
some want to match thread to fabric exactly, others don't care. As to color,
I veer towards the match exactly, but if I have a spool that is close, I
will sometimes use it. And, as I've said, sometimes I can't find a good
match with the European threads and had to fall back on Coats and Clark, but
only for hand sewing, since my Bernina can't handle it. Guess I'll try the
"new formula," and see if I still have trouble. 

Ann Wass

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From: Ann Catelli 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions


The fancy-pants polyester European threads always shredded in my machine,
fwiw.
My workhorse cast-iron Singer worked just Fine with cotton-covered
polyester.
Ann in CT


From: Cin 

n cottons & cotton poly, I like Meineke (whatever the spelling) and uterman
best.  I, too, sneer at the shreddy C&C thread.
n silks, I prefer Earth Bell, tho I've never seen it in the US.
-cin
ynthia Barnes
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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Marjorie Wilser]

That's funny, Ann, . . . I've _heard_ the modern machines had trouble  
with C&C, but my Pfaff has never (save for a couple of occasions) had  
trouble with it. Now, all bets are off.


I bought some C&C all-poly thread simply because it was all I could  
find. It's WAY better than the original all-poly threads of 30 years  
ago-- but not nearly so nice and tidy as the cotton-covered one they  
usta had.


I'm really glad I brought this up. It's giving me new ideas and things  
to try.


Thanks to one and all!

==Marjorie Wilser

 @..@   @..@   @..@
Three Toad Press
http://3toad.blogspot.com/


On May 17, 2012, at 7:10 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:

I knew answers on thread preference would be all over the map--some  
like "fancy pants European threads," some don't.Also interesting to  
note that some want to match thread to fabric exactly, others don't  
care. As to color, I veer towards the match exactly, but if I have a  
spool that is close, I will sometimes use it. And, as I've said,  
sometimes I can't find a good match with the European threads and  
had to fall back on Coats and Clark, but only for hand sewing, since  
my Bernina can't handle it. Guess I'll try the "new formula," and  
see if I still have trouble.


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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[annbwass]

I knew answers on thread preference would be all over the map--some like "fancy 
pants European threads," some don't.Also interesting to note that some want to 
match thread to fabric exactly, others don't care. As to color, I veer towards 
the match exactly, but if I have a spool that is close, I will sometimes use 
it. And, as I've said, sometimes I can't find a good match with the European 
threads and had to fall back on Coats and Clark, but only for hand sewing, 
since my Bernina can't handle it. Guess I'll try the "new formula," and see if 
I still have trouble. 

Ann Wass

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From: Ann Catelli 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions


The fancy-pants polyester European threads always shredded in my machine, fwiw.
My workhorse cast-iron Singer worked just Fine with cotton-covered polyester.
Ann in CT


From: Cin 

n cottons & cotton poly, I like Meineke (whatever the spelling) and
uterman best.  I, too, sneer at the shreddy C&C thread.
n silks, I prefer Earth Bell, tho I've never seen it in the US.
-cin
ynthia Barnes
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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Ann Catelli]

The fancy-pants polyester European threads always shredded in my machine, fwiw.

My workhorse cast-iron Singer worked just Fine with cotton-covered polyester.

Ann in CT




 From: Cin 


In cottons & cotton poly, I like Meineke (whatever the spelling) and
Guterman best.  I, too, sneer at the shreddy C&C thread.
In silks, I prefer Earth Bell, tho I've never seen it in the US.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Catherine Olanich Raymond]

On 05/17/2012 05:51 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:


I used to buy Coats & Clark cotton poly by preference, but it became so
fragile awhile back that I switched to Gutermann poly. I recently bought
some Gutermann all cotton and was surprised to find I like it less than
their poly--the poly is smoother.



I agree with Fran's opinion of Gutermann all-cotton; I found it so rough 
as to be unusuable (and that was for hand-sewing).  Nowadays, I use 
Gutermann's silk for most of my hand-sewing.  If C&C cotton/poly is 
gone, I'm not sure what I'll get the next time I break out my machine.



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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Lavolta Press]

I used to buy Coats & Clark cotton poly by preference,  but it became so 
fragile awhile back that I switched to Gutermann poly.  I recently 
bought some Gutermann all cotton and was surprised to find I like it 
less than their poly--the poly is smoother.  I always match colors very 
carefully--I want the inside of garments to look as good as the 
outside.  I have dozens of partial spools (I just sorted them all out by 
color).  When a spool gets really low I use it up as hand-basting thread.


Fran
Lavolta Press
Books of historic clothing patterns
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On 5/17/2012 1:41 PM, Kimiko Small wrote:

I also prefer the all cotton threads, especially Gutterman. My sewing machine 
was prepped by my repair guy to deal with the all cotton when he asked me my 
preference, and for the most part I've had no problems with it. I can usually 
get all cotton at the local fabric chain stores.

As to color matching, I no longer bother.



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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Kimiko Small]

I also prefer the all cotton threads, especially Gutterman. My sewing machine 
was prepped by my repair guy to deal with the all cotton when he asked me my 
preference, and for the most part I've had no problems with it. I can usually 
get all cotton at the local fabric chain stores.

As to color matching, I no longer bother. I keep a selection of basic colors - 
red, blue, black, white, green, purple, cream/neutral, and medium grey. I use 
those to sew with. I rarely topstitch so it doesn't show. If I do plan on 
topstitching, I tend to use a color that will contrast, either a little or a 
lot, depending on what I want. This means I can usually get the larger rolls of 
thread, and I don't have a color that hangs around for years because I only 
used a small amount for a project. I think I got the purple only because my 
daughter likes the color for her clothes.

Kimiko


On May 17, 2012, at 8:11 AM, Marjorie Wilser wrote:

> Ideas? I know some folks out there are thread snobs, but I just want 
> something that's (a) available!! and (b) will hold up. A little (c) 
> affordability and (d) good color range wouldn't hurt either. A basic, 
> workhorse thread!!
> 
> Second question: how do you match thread to fabric if you can't actually 
> *compare* them in a store?

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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Cin]

In cottons & cotton poly, I like Meineke (whatever the spelling) and
Guterman best.  I, too, sneer at the shreddy C&C thread.
In silks, I prefer Earth Bell, tho I've never seen it in the US.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Marjorie Wilser  wrote:
> My favorite thread has been discontinued without so much as a peep. I am
> preternaturally p.o'd at the venerable Coats & Clark, but now I need to
> switch threads.
>
> My old favorite was the sometimes deingrated Coats & Clark cotton-wrapped
> polyester. It had the shine of cotton and the strength of polyester. Coats
> is now producing it under the same name but it's all polyester.
>
> Ideas? I know some folks out there are thread snobs, but I just want
> something that's (a) available!! and (b) will hold up. A little (c)
> affordability and (d) good color range wouldn't hurt either. A basic,
> workhorse thread!!
>
> Second question: how do you match thread to fabric if you can't actually
> *compare* them in a store?
>
> ==Marjorie Wilser
>
>  @..@   @..@   @..@
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> http://3toad.blogspot.com/
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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Wicked Frau]

A doll maker friend of mine showed me how to make a 'quilter's knot'.  I
have been using it for years now for 'normal' sewing and have never had a
problem with tying a knot.  To ensure a smaller knot, I just make fewer
wraps around my needlehope this helps!

Sg

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM,  wrote:

>
> I stopped using the cotton wrapped polyester years ago, as my then-new
> Bernina didn't like it. (It went through the top okay, but always seemed to
> gum up the bobbin.) At that time, I switched to the long-staple
> European-made threads made by Guttermann and Mettler. I've always found
> them satisfactory--the only caveat is, I find it harder to tie a twist knot
> in the end--I attribute that to the fact that they are intrinsically
> anti-twist and snag.
>
>
> I know some people tend to look down their noses at these threads, but I
> have been using them for years now and am very pleased. The color selection
> is good, although once in a while, I come up short.
>
> Ann Wass
>
>
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[annbwass]

I stopped using the cotton wrapped polyester years ago, as my then-new Bernina 
didn't like it. (It went through the top okay, but always seemed to gum up the 
bobbin.) At that time, I switched to the long-staple European-made threads made 
by Guttermann and Mettler. I've always found them satisfactory--the only caveat 
is, I find it harder to tie a twist knot in the end--I attribute that to the 
fact that they are intrinsically anti-twist and snag.


I know some people tend to look down their noses at these threads, but I have 
been using them for years now and am very pleased. The color selection is good, 
although once in a while, I come up short.

Ann Wass

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From: Marjorie Wilser 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 11:12 am
Subject: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions


My favorite thread has been discontinued without so much as a peep. I  
m preternaturally p.o'd at the venerable Coats & Clark, but now I  
eed to switch threads.
My old favorite was the sometimes deingrated Coats & Clark cotton- 
rapped polyester. It had the shine of cotton and the strength of  
olyester. Coats is now producing it under the same name but it's all  
olyester.
Ideas? I know some folks out there are thread snobs, but I just want  
omething that's (a) available!! and (b) will hold up. A little (c)  
ffordability and (d) good color range wouldn't hurt either. A basic,  
orkhorse thread!!
Second question: how do you match thread to fabric if you can't  
ctually *compare* them in a store?
==Marjorie Wilser
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hree Toad Press
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Re: [h-cost] Thread- reluctant switcher needs suggestions

[Wicked Frau]

I am finding the quality of C&C 100% poly to be superior to Gutterman and
the other Melnicke (sp?)  It seems much smoother to me.  And now that they
have gone to the European style bobbin I like them even more!
Sg

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Marjorie Wilser  wrote:

> My favorite thread has been discontinued without so much as a peep. I am
> preternaturally p.o'd at the venerable Coats & Clark, but now I need to
> switch threads.
>
> My old favorite was the sometimes deingrated Coats & Clark cotton-wrapped
> polyester. It had the shine of cotton and the strength of polyester. Coats
> is now producing it under the same name but it's all polyester.
>
> Ideas? I know some folks out there are thread snobs, but I just want
> something that's (a) available!! and (b) will hold up. A little (c)
> affordability and (d) good color range wouldn't hurt either. A basic,
> workhorse thread!!
>
> Second question: how do you match thread to fabric if you can't actually
> *compare* them in a store?
>
> ==Marjorie Wilser
>
>  @..@   @..@   @..@
> Three Toad Press
> http://3toad.blogspot.com/
>
>
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