[Hampshire] A good rant about how illogical computers are
http://www.geekwire.com/2011/rip-andy-rooney-classic-bill-gates-rant Watch the 60Minutes video. He lays the blame right at Bill Gates. Stephen D -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Error with apt-get upgrade on Debian
Hi, I have been trying to upgrade packages on my Debian installation using apt-get upgrade. When I ran that the first time it downloaded all of the packages and installed a number of them, before crashing saying that dpkg returned an error code (1). Whenever I try and run apt-get upgrade again I get the following message: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: mplayer 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 231 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/6,280 kB of archives. After this operation, 8,012 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? It says that 231 packages are not fully installed or removed, which suggests to me that the upgrade process failed half way through. The thing is - I can't find out how to get it to restart again, and how to install/remove the 231 packages that need dealing with? All of my google searches are turning up forum posts that are either very old, or don't help at all. Any ideas how I can get this upgrade properly done? Cheers, Robin -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Error with apt-get upgrade on Debian
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:14:43 + Robin Wilson ro...@rtwilson.com wrote: I have been trying to upgrade packages on my Debian installation using apt-get upgrade. When I ran that the first time it downloaded all of the packages and installed a number of them, before crashing saying that dpkg returned an error code (1). Whenever I try and run apt-get upgrade again I get the following message: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: mplayer 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 231 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/6,280 kB of archives. After this operation, 8,012 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? It says that 231 packages are not fully installed or removed, which suggests to me that the upgrade process failed half way through. The thing is - I can't find out how to get it to restart again, and how to install/remove the 231 packages that need dealing with? All of my google searches are turning up forum posts that are either very old, or don't help at all. Any ideas how I can get this upgrade properly done? personally I use aptitude update, followed by aptitude safe-upgrade as aptitude seems to do a better job of tracking dependencies but I am aware that using apt-get is now the default way. Did it not continue when you replied 'Y, enter'?? You could try 'apt-get remove mplayer' then 'apt-get upgrade' again in case it is that package blocking things, You can always re-install mplayer or get an alternative, I use vlc or guayadeque. -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Error with apt-get upgrade on Debian
Hi Robin, On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:14:43PM +, Robin Wilson wrote: The following packages will be upgraded: mplayer 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 231 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/6,280 kB of archives. After this operation, 8,012 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? It says that 231 packages are not fully installed or removed, which suggests to me that the upgrade process failed half way through. The thing is - I can't find out how to get it to restart again, and how to install/remove the 231 packages that need dealing with? All of my google searches are turning up forum posts that are either very old, or don't help at all. It normally carries on to complete the outstanding actions after it does the upgrade of mplayer. Does it not do that for you? Can you post the full output after you say Y to the above? apt-get dist-upgrade may be necessary, but show us what happens with the above first.. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Error with apt-get upgrade on Debian
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:14:43 +, ro...@rtwilson.com said: my Debian installation What are the contents of: /etc/debian_version and /etc/apt/sources.list Do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.d? If so, what are their contents? -- You can have everything in life you want if you help enough other people get what they want - Zig Ziglar. Who did you help today? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Error with apt-get upgrade on Debian
On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:14:43PM +, Robin Wilson wrote: I have been trying to upgrade packages on my Debian installation using apt-get upgrade. When I ran that the first time it downloaded all of the packages and installed a number of them, before crashing saying that dpkg returned an error code (1). Don't suppose you remember anything else after this? Whenever I try and run apt-get upgrade again I get the following message: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: mplayer 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 231 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/6,280 kB of archives. After this operation, 8,012 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? What happens when you hit enter? I'd try: apt-get -f install first of all. -f is for --fix-broken which can help in some circumstances. Other things you could try: apt-get dist-upgrade (rather than just plain upgrade) aptitude dist-upgrade (since aptitude uses a slightly different algorithm) But I suspect apt-get -f install will get you further down the path. There's probably something dodgy somewhere which caused the original upgrade to bomb out so it'll be interesting to see what error you do end up with. Let us know how you get on. Simon -- ... Mithrandir An acronym that sticks to your brain like butter to teflon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Error with apt-get upgrade on Debian
Hi everyone, Thanks for all the prompt help. I followed one of the previous bits of advice by running apt-get remove mplayer I can only assume that mplayer was causing the problem, as once this was removed the rest of the packages were processed properly. I have now reinstalled mplayer and it seems to be fine. Not sure why it happened - but thanks for the help, Robin On 6 Nov 2011, at 14:36, Simon Huggins wrote: On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:14:43PM +, Robin Wilson wrote: I have been trying to upgrade packages on my Debian installation using apt-get upgrade. When I ran that the first time it downloaded all of the packages and installed a number of them, before crashing saying that dpkg returned an error code (1). Don't suppose you remember anything else after this? Whenever I try and run apt-get upgrade again I get the following message: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: mplayer 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 231 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/6,280 kB of archives. After this operation, 8,012 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? What happens when you hit enter? I'd try: apt-get -f install first of all. -f is for --fix-broken which can help in some circumstances. Other things you could try: apt-get dist-upgrade (rather than just plain upgrade) aptitude dist-upgrade (since aptitude uses a slightly different algorithm) But I suspect apt-get -f install will get you further down the path. There's probably something dodgy somewhere which caused the original upgrade to bomb out so it'll be interesting to see what error you do end up with. Let us know how you get on. Simon -- ... Mithrandir An acronym that sticks to your brain like butter to teflon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Ctrl-Alt-F* doesn't work - what to check?
Hi all, Sorry for the number of messages today - I'm finally trying to get round to sorting out my server. I'm sure last time I used the server I could get to a text-console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F* - F1, F2 etc, and then back to the GUI by using Ctrl-Alt-F7. However, I can't seem to do that anymore. My system runs gdm3 on boot, which then does an autologin as a certain user. Is this likely to stop Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc working? According to a post on the internet, the command chvt should allow me to switch to a terminal. However, running that just gives me a blank black screen with a flashing cursor - with no way out (I had to restart). Any ideas what I could do to get this working again? Robin -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ctrl-Alt-F* doesn't work - what to check?
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:22:48 +, ro...@rtwilson.com said: I'm finally trying to get round to sorting out my server. What's it running? I'm sure last time I used the server I could get to a text-console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F* - F1, F2 etc, and then back to the GUI by using Ctrl-Alt-F7. However, I can't seem to do that anymore. What happens when you try? -- You can have everything in life you want if you help enough other people get what they want - Zig Ziglar. Who did you help today? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ctrl-Alt-F* doesn't work - what to check?
On 6 Nov 2011, at 15:39, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:22:48 +, ro...@rtwilson.com said: I'm finally trying to get round to sorting out my server. What's it running? Debian 6.0.3 I'm sure last time I used the server I could get to a text-console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F* - F1, F2 etc, and then back to the GUI by using Ctrl-Alt-F7. However, I can't seem to do that anymore. What happens when you try? Absolutely nothing. -- You can have everything in life you want if you help enough other people get what they want - Zig Ziglar. Who did you help today? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ctrl-Alt-F* doesn't work - what to check?
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:22:48 + Robin Wilson ro...@rtwilson.com wrote: Sorry for the number of messages today - That _is_ why we are here. I have been using Linux since 1996 and Debian since 2002 and still need to ask pretty basic questions from time to time (I admit age may have something to do with my inability to understand things) I'm finally trying to get round to sorting out my server. I'm sure last time I used the server I could get to a text-console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F* - F1, F2 etc, and then back to the GUI by using Ctrl-Alt-F7. However, I can't seem to do that anymore. FWIW it works on my Debian Sid system. I'm using slim as my default display manager rather than gdm3 which got purged along with gnome3 last weekend. Haven't rebooted the system since so don't know how well slim will function. My system runs gdm3 on boot, which then does an autologin as a certain user. Is this likely to stop Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc working? According to a post on the internet, the command chvt should allow me to switch to a terminal. However, running that just gives me a blank black screen with a flashing cursor - with no way out (I had to restart). The problem with looking for help on the internet is that too often the replies are ancient and may also refer to a different distribution, you may well do better asking here as there are still a few Debianites in HantsLUG. Often these days a Debian related question in Google will get a Ubuntu based reply which won't necessarily be correct as there are subtle differences :-( -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ctrl-Alt-F* doesn't work - what to check?
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:43:42 + Robin Wilson ro...@rtwilson.com wrote: On 6 Nov 2011, at 15:39, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:22:48 +, ro...@rtwilson.com said: I'm finally trying to get round to sorting out my server. What's it running? Debian 6.0.3 OK, the only system I have running X squeeze is on my Compaq laptop. That is using gdm3 but _not_ setup to autoboot into the only user. Ctrl-Alt-F2 to -F6 then Ctrl-Alt-F7 works OK. -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] A good rant about how illogical computers are
Hah, a good ruthless logical view! Thanks :) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] The Price of Hard Drives
Hi all I'm building a new PC and doing so from a (presumably Novatech) barebones bundle. I am truly amazed at the prices of 3.5 internal hard drives. I've had a look at Novatech, ebuyer and even PC World and for half a terabyte it's looking like £80. Am I missing something? They didn't used to be that expensive did they? I've checked and the biggest ssd is still only 60 odd gig and 2.5 seem no cheaper than 3.5I'm fairly sure I got a 500Gb drive for under £50 this time last year. My memory's not what it was - but there's a bit of a price hike here isn't there? Unless using (or use of should I say) the cloud is bigger than I thought it was. Any ideas anyone? Cheers Rob -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] The Price of Hard Drives
Floods in the east has caused price to near on treble. Good luck. Have a few in stock - could maybe help a little. But prices have gone stupid for now On Nov 6, 2011 7:21 PM, Rob Malpass li...@getiton.myzen.co.uk wrote: Hi all ** ** I'm building a new PC and doing so from a (presumably Novatech) barebones bundle. I am truly amazed at the prices of 3.5 internal hard drives. I've had a look at Novatech, ebuyer and even PC World and for half a terabyte it's looking like £80. Am I missing something? They didn't used to be that expensive did they? I've checked and the biggest ssd is still only 60 odd gig and 2.5 seem no cheaper than 3.5I'm fairly sure I got a 500Gb drive for under £50 this time last year. ** ** My memory's not what it was - but there's a bit of a price hike here isn't there? Unless using (or use of should I say) the cloud is bigger than I thought it was. ** ** Any ideas anyone? ** ** Cheers Rob -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] The Price of Hard Drives
On Sunday 06 November 2011 19:20:53 Rob Malpass wrote: I'm building a new PC and doing so from a (presumably Novatech) barebones bundle. I am truly amazed at the prices of 3.5 internal hard drives. I've had a look at Novatech, ebuyer and even PC World and for half a terabyte it's looking like £80. That's still several thousand times cheaper than when I bought my first one. As Peter said: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/20/wd_floods_prices_shortages/ -- Be seeing you,Games: http://www.glendale.org.uk/ Sam. Posts: http://www.google.com/profiles/samuel.penn -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] The Price of Hard Drives
-Original Message- From: hampshire-boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:hampshire- boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jacqui Caren Sent: 06 November 2011 19:35 To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Hampshire] The Price of Hard Drives Another discussion on other lists was buying cheapish external drives and removing the HD. Evidently PCworld now has some of the best prices - bette rthan amazon who is currently one of the out of stockers... That's an interesting point - does anyone know how easy this is to do? They all seem to be moulded units to me. I've ended up with a 1tb external bought only around April 2011 which I've no great use for. I've never tried booting from USB and the barebones thing I'm buying doesn't tell me about its BIOS. Do most modern motherboards support booting from USB? Cheers Rob -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] The Price of Hard Drives
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:33:29 + Samuel Penn s...@glendale.org.uk wrote: On Sunday 06 November 2011 19:20:53 Rob Malpass wrote: I'm building a new PC and doing so from a (presumably Novatech) barebones bundle. I am truly amazed at the prices of 3.5 internal hard drives. I've had a look at Novatech, ebuyer and even PC World and for half a terabyte it's looking like £80. That's still several thousand times cheaper than when I bought my first one. so true, I got a 10 meg drive on a PC expansion card for my original model IBM PC and it cost well over £200 (possibly over £300) in 1995. -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
