Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Alan Pope]

On 28/01/13 22:24, Michael Daffin wrote:

I wonder if it is worth setting up a webpage that users can request a topic
for a talk/demo and possibly where other users can register topics they are
willing to talk about.


This seems like the ideal way to get people engaging via social media. 
Putting out a tweet/fb/G+ post which specifically asks for feedback such 
as "What talks shall we give next month?" or "What would you like to 
talk about at the LUG?" will likely garner responses. These could be 
filtered, collated and posted on the website or mailing list.


Using the mailing list or website to request new topics falls into the 
"preaching to the converted" I was hoping to work around with my initial 
mail at the start of the thread.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tim Brocklehurst]

On Monday 28 Jan 2013 22:44:00 Lisi wrote:
> On Monday 28 January 2013 22:24:31 Michael Daffin wrote:
> > I wonder if it is worth setting up a webpage that users can request a
> > topic for a talk/demo and possibly where other users can register topics
> > they are willing to talk about.
> 
> We used to have one on the wiki.  Has it been deleted/removed?
> 
> Lisi

No, it hasn't been removed; As you know, Chris Dennis is working hard on the 
new website, to try to streamline exactly that sort of process. I am sure he 
would appreciate any help or insight.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Lisi]

On Monday 28 January 2013 22:24:31 Michael Daffin wrote:
> I wonder if it is worth setting up a webpage that users can request a topic
> for a talk/demo and possibly where other users can register topics they are
> willing to talk about.

We used to have one on the wiki.  Has it been deleted/removed?

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Lisi]

On Monday 28 January 2013 22:21:06 john lewis wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:54:44 +
>
> Lisi  wrote:
> > On Monday 28 January 2013 10:36:26 john lewis wrote:
> > > Even Debian, which used to have a reputation for being
> > > difficult  to get running, is nowadays a breeze.
> > >
> > > (It took about ten minutes to get a minimal install of Wheezy up and
> > > running on an aopen Xcube box a few weeks ago
> >
> > You clearly have entirely open hardware!!  Now that the installation
> > kernel has *no* binary blobs, Debian is back to being sometimes a bit
> > tricky.  There is, of course, an unofficial installation disk which
> > has proprietary drivers, and you can have a particular driver
> > available on a USB key.  But I would not call it a breeze any more.
>
> I have no idea how linux compatible the xcube box is. My existing
> 'server' died after quite a few years of service, probably motherboard
> failure so I looked on ebay for something cheap to replace it - the
> xcube box was on offer for £40, it had a reasonable spec as far as
> memory, speed, etc were concerned and had no OS installed. It arrived
> two days after I ordered it and I had it up and running about half an
> hour after the courier delivered it.
>
> I used a Debian wheezy netinst CD that I'd downloaded recently to give
> the updated installer a try out and it worked perfectly. As usual I
> only installed the basic minimum to get a bootable system, added a few
> extras, geneweb for example and that was it.
>
> I like the system, it seems reasonably fast, it is silent and is
> small enough to sit on top of the desk in an otherwise unused corner.
> I haven't even looked inside the box ;-)
>
> Oh yes, nearly forgot -  I did modify the /etc/apt/sources.list to
> include the "non free" packages before the installer went off looking
> for stuff to download.

The crucial stumbling block would not usually exist on a second hand box, 
which is that many new boxen have wi-fi and/or ethernet cards that are not in 
the installation kernel because free drivers do not yet exist.

This does make installation more tricky than it was in, say, Lenny.  And many 
people new to Debian stumble on it.

I am not saying that it is an insuperable obstacle, but it is a trap for the 
newbie Debian user.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Michael Daffin]

I wonder if it is worth setting up a webpage that users can request a topic
for a talk/demo and possibly where other users can register topics they are
willing to talk about. One problem with doing this on the mailing list is
things can easily get lost, and not every one is configurable with
requesting talks in it (especially newer users) having a nice web interface
might help with this and formalise the process abit.

I might be able to give some talks/demos about the command line, shell
scripting, intro to archlinux, basic package management, systemd, raspberry
pi, and possibly other areas, but it would help to know what people wanted
from these talks/demos.


On 28 January 2013 21:12, Andy Smith  wrote:

> Hi Ally,
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 03:15:13PM +, Ally Biggs wrote:
> > This is why I haven't attended any meets as I know I would be out of my
> depth. Or talks would be given on subjects I'm not interested In and would
> be bored senseless.
>
> Conversely I think that many people (myself included) are put off
> from doing presentations because they feel they aren't expert enough
> in any area to pitch something of interest.
>
> I'm not sure what the answer is.
>
> > A making the transition from windows to Linux workshop would be very
> popular covering areas such as installation. Beginners guide to the Cli,
> package management etc.
>
> I do think that the rest of the LUG needs to know there is a demand
> for this sort of thing at the time that the meetings are being
> planned, so that we have time to plan a talk or a round table or
> whatever.
>
> This does rely on newbies speaking up (at least on a wiki page or
> similar) when the meetings are being planned. Traditionally this
> does not happen.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[john lewis]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:54:44 +
Lisi  wrote:

> On Monday 28 January 2013 10:36:26 john lewis wrote:
> > Even Debian, which used to have a reputation for being
> > difficult  to get running, is nowadays a breeze.
> >
> > (It took about ten minutes to get a minimal install of Wheezy up and
> > running on an aopen Xcube box a few weeks ago
> 
> You clearly have entirely open hardware!!  Now that the installation
> kernel has *no* binary blobs, Debian is back to being sometimes a bit
> tricky.  There is, of course, an unofficial installation disk which
> has proprietary drivers, and you can have a particular driver
> available on a USB key.  But I would not call it a breeze any more.

I have no idea how linux compatible the xcube box is. My existing
'server' died after quite a few years of service, probably motherboard
failure so I looked on ebay for something cheap to replace it - the
xcube box was on offer for £40, it had a reasonable spec as far as
memory, speed, etc were concerned and had no OS installed. It arrived
two days after I ordered it and I had it up and running about half an
hour after the courier delivered it.  

I used a Debian wheezy netinst CD that I'd downloaded recently to give
the updated installer a try out and it worked perfectly. As usual I
only installed the basic minimum to get a bootable system, added a few
extras, geneweb for example and that was it.

I like the system, it seems reasonably fast, it is silent and is
small enough to sit on top of the desk in an otherwise unused corner.
I haven't even looked inside the box ;-)

Oh yes, nearly forgot -  I did modify the /etc/apt/sources.list to
include the "non free" packages before the installer went off looking
for stuff to download.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Andy Smith]

Hi Ally,

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 03:15:13PM +, Ally Biggs wrote:
> This is why I haven't attended any meets as I know I would be out of my 
> depth. Or talks would be given on subjects I'm not interested In and would be 
> bored senseless. 

Conversely I think that many people (myself included) are put off
from doing presentations because they feel they aren't expert enough
in any area to pitch something of interest.

I'm not sure what the answer is.

> A making the transition from windows to Linux workshop would be very popular 
> covering areas such as installation. Beginners guide to the Cli, package 
> management etc. 

I do think that the rest of the LUG needs to know there is a demand
for this sort of thing at the time that the meetings are being
planned, so that we have time to plan a talk or a round table or
whatever.

This does rely on newbies speaking up (at least on a wiki page or
similar) when the meetings are being planned. Traditionally this
does not happen.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Richard Bensley]

> There are no times for talks to "prebook". I have avoided this so that people
> wouldn't feel discouraged from talking/demoing; thinking that a 30 minute slot
> meant talking for 30 minutes. As we move towards a "workshop" setup, short
> talks can be backed up with small group demos and walkthroughs. Talks can
> still be scheduled, please just reply the the meeting notification and request
> a time.
>


Cool, I will have a laptop and a VGA adaptor. That's for mysql if
anyone is interested 5-15 mins max.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tim Brocklehurst]

On Monday 28 Jan 2013 15:20:09 Roger Munford wrote:
> It would be nice to know what time the talks will take place.
> 
> Roger

There are no times for talks to "prebook". I have avoided this so that people 
wouldn't feel discouraged from talking/demoing; thinking that a 30 minute slot 
meant talking for 30 minutes. As we move towards a "workshop" setup, short 
talks can be backed up with small group demos and walkthroughs. Talks can 
still be scheduled, please just reply the the meeting notification and request 
a time.

The same goes for requesting talks or demos. There are lots of people who can 
help, so please post your requests on the meeting notification, and hopefully 
someone will be able to answer.

I am happy to do a "How to setup a Linux-box starting from Windows 7" demo at 
any meeting. Just come and ask.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tony Wood]

On 28/01/13 13:26, Robert Longstaff wrote:

After attending many LUG's over the years in various regions. I have
to say one of the best methods of helping people new to Linux and
LUG's in general has been social meetups, generally held in a pub of
some sort.



Indeed. I plan to intersperse a number of pub meets amongst the Surrey LUG BaB 
meetings throughout the year - getting ever closer to the 'something for 
everyone' :)

robert_




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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Roger Munford]

It would be nice to know what time the talks will take place.

Roger

On 28/01/13 14:04, Richard Bensley wrote:

The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.

Yes - MySQL per se is not for *total* beginners.  Pity I missed it. :-(

I can certainly help in the MySQL front. I am a DBA for a trading
platform. I train and implement MySQL at various levels, brunting its
various idioms.

A five minute flash talk I could certainly do just about anytime. I
will be there with my brother, James, next Saturday.


Rich




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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

This is why I haven't attended any meets as I know I would be out of my depth. 
Or talks would be given on subjects I'm not interested In and would be bored 
senseless. 

A making the transition from windows to Linux workshop would be very popular 
covering areas such as installation. Beginners guide to the Cli, package 
management etc. 

And a more advanced setting up a Linux server workshop would also be very 
interesting to myself and others. 

We are not all gurus plus think of the sheer amount of people out there who are 
getting there feet wet with Linux. Take the raspberry pi for instance this has 
opened the doors and has introduced a lot of newcomers to Linux. They would 
find this kind of introduction knowledge invaluable. Hell even running a 
raspberry Pi server setup course would be very popular :)  

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jan 2013, at 14:05, "Richard Bensley"  wrote:

>>> The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.
>> 
>> Yes - MySQL per se is not for *total* beginners.  Pity I missed it. :-(
> 
> I can certainly help in the MySQL front. I am a DBA for a trading
> platform. I train and implement MySQL at various levels, brunting its
> various idioms.
> 
> A five minute flash talk I could certainly do just about anytime. I
> will be there with my brother, James, next Saturday.
> 
> 
> Rich
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Richard Bensley]

>> The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.
>
> Yes - MySQL per se is not for *total* beginners.  Pity I missed it. :-(

I can certainly help in the MySQL front. I am a DBA for a trading
platform. I train and implement MySQL at various levels, brunting its
various idioms.

A five minute flash talk I could certainly do just about anytime. I
will be there with my brother, James, next Saturday.


Rich

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tony Whitmore]

On 2013-01-28 08:17, Tim Brocklehurst wrote:

On Monday 28 Jan 2013 08:10:56 Tony Whitmore wrote:

On 2013-01-27 23:48, Lisi wrote:
> I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would 
have a

> very
> limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people
> present are
> experienced users.

I'm not so sure. The most popular talk I did was "How to install
Ubuntu", where I ran through installing and configuring Ubuntu to 
first

log in. The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.


Fancy doing the same again? Perhaps in more of a "workshop" format?


Potentially, though I haven't installed Ubuntu for a few years. :) I 
also rarely make it to meetings these days.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tony Whitmore]

On 2013-01-28 13:40, Imran Chaudhry wrote:

The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.


Yes - MySQL per se is not for *total* beginners.  Pity I missed it. 
:-(


I think Tony might have meant my talk which I did years ago? There 
was
a huge attendance that day from several southern LUGs. Someone told 
me

that a few had come for my talk - no pressure! (and did I mention my
boss was in the audience?)


Yes, it was your talk I referred to. :)


I never expected so many would be interested as I assumed everyone
would have that knowledge already or know how to access it easily. It
really challenged my assumptions. But I thought I would try a talk 
and
see what happens. Afterwards, quite a few people said they had 
learned

something new.


Exactly, which underlines the point. What is familiar technology and 
may seem easy to one person is probably not so easy for others! And 
therefore makes a great talk topic.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Alan Pope]

On 28/01/13 13:40, Imran Chaudhry wrote:

I'm thinking about an intro to Perl talk - maybe at next LUG meet
family commitments allowing.



Adam Trickett did a talk on Perl at the LUG some years back. It was 
videotaped and put online. It was the single most popular talk watched 
on the HantsLUG Google Video channel. It's still available to download 
on archive.org.


http://archive.org/details/HampshireLinuxUserGroupIntroductiontoPerlThefriendlyprogramminglanguage

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Imran Chaudhry]

>> The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.
>
> Yes - MySQL per se is not for *total* beginners.  Pity I missed it. :-(

I think Tony might have meant my talk which I did years ago? There was
a huge attendance that day from several southern LUGs. Someone told me
that a few had come for my talk - no pressure! (and did I mention my
boss was in the audience?)

I never expected so many would be interested as I assumed everyone
would have that knowledge already or know how to access it easily. It
really challenged my assumptions. But I thought I would try a talk and
see what happens. Afterwards, quite a few people said they had learned
something new.

I'm thinking about an intro to Perl talk - maybe at next LUG meet
family commitments allowing.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Robert Longstaff]

> After attending many LUG's over the years in various regions. I have
> to say one of the best methods of helping people new to Linux and
> LUG's in general has been social meetups, generally held in a pub of
> some sort.
> 

Indeed. I plan to intersperse a number of pub meets amongst the Surrey LUG BaB 
meetings throughout the year - getting ever closer to the 'something for 
everyone' :)

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Richard Bensley]

After attending many LUG's over the years in various regions. I have
to say one of the best methods of helping people new to Linux and
LUG's in general has been social meetups, generally held in a pub of
some sort.

No lectures, don't need to bring your laptop. Just have a drink and a
chat, there is no such thing as a stupid question. So long as you can
remain reasonably coherent when friendly and impartial advice comes
your way, it's generally a pretty good confidence boost for newcomers.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Lisi]

On Monday 28 January 2013 11:50:15 Andy Smith wrote:
> Then I am baffled as to why you would claim that nobody needs
> beginner talks

I didn't say that.  I said that I fear that if more experienced attenders are 
regularly bored stiff, they might stop coming.  

> when you yourself find existing talks go above your 
> head.

I myself find *many* existing talks above my head.  Not all.

But I am not typical.  Often I can't follow a talk because it is about 
something that I don't already know, and I can't see the slides.  If I 
already know something about the subject, I can extrapolate better.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Lisi]

On Monday 28 January 2013 08:10:56 Tony Whitmore wrote:
> I'm not so sure. The most popular talk I did was "How to install
> Ubuntu", where I ran through installing and configuring Ubuntu to first
> log in. 

That's interesting!!  And somewhat unexpected.

> The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular. 

Yes - MySQL per se is not for *total* beginners.  Pity I missed it. :-(

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Lisi]

On Monday 28 January 2013 10:36:26 john lewis wrote:
> Even Debian, which used to have a reputation for being
> difficult  to get running, is nowadays a breeze.
>
> (It took about ten minutes to get a minimal install of Wheezy up and
> running on an aopen Xcube box a few weeks ago

You clearly have entirely open hardware!!  Now that the installation kernel 
has *no* binary blobs, Debian is back to being sometimes a bit tricky.  There 
is, of course, an unofficial installation disk which has proprietary drivers, 
and you can have a particular driver available on a USB key.  But I would not 
call it a breeze any more.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Andy Smith]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 09:31:45AM +, Lisi wrote:
> You misunderstand me, Andy.  I myself would benefit from fairly basic talks 
> and generally find those I attend pretty much above my head.  But it is my 
> perception that most of you are considerably more knowledgeable than I am.  I 
> am also very conscious that in some locations everyone is in the same room 
> and an inaccessible talk can be very boring.

Then I am baffled as to why you would claim that nobody needs
beginner talks when you yourself find existing talks go above your
head.

Why are you so scared of asking for what you want that you would
even go so far as to say there can be nobody else like you? I think
that is highly unlikely.

> Since my perception is that most of you are above my head, I also think that 
> having the talks too basic could drive people away.  If we find a way of 
> attracting more total beginners, then obviously that balance would change.
> 
> Are we perhaps meaning something different by "complete beginner"??

The same evening that you sent your email that said, "I would have
thought that talks for the complete beginner would have a very
limited audience at LUG meetings" you were, over on Surrey LUG,
explaining to someone how to save the buffer in nano.

Not knowing how to save a buffer in nano strikes me as "complete
beginner".

So between you and them, there's two, and I tend to think from the
level of expertise demonstrated in most threads on LUGs that you and
they are more the norm than you realise.

Cheers,
Andy


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Alan Pope]

On 28/01/13 10:36, john lewis wrote:

This would in itself be off-putting to a complete newcomer so perhaps,
if it hasn't already been done, there should be a way of breaking the
ice for some one new.



Some years back we started having a "front desk" at the LUG meeting 
where people would be greeted. We would then direct them to someone who 
could help with specific queries or just show them around. Does this 
still happen at the Southampton meets (I haven't been for ages).


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[john lewis]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:56:00 +
Victor Churchill  wrote:

> The LUG is different things to different people. It has always worked
> pretty well as a group for self-help and information interchange
> between members who are pretty committed and established Linux users.
> My observation would be that it has perhaps worked less well as a
> vehicle for introducing Linux to new or potentially new users and
> supporting them in the early stages of getting to know Linux.
> 
> Typical Saturday meetings seem to be largely attended by hard-core
> long-term members and less so by new users, and I fear that there may
> be many new/potential users who come to one meeting and don't come
> again because they feel out of their depth.

I don't know if things have changed in the last five year or so since
we moved too far away from Hampshire to make attending LUG meets easy
for me but meetings were mostly very informal - people turned up, found
a space and got on with whatever they wanted to do that day.

This would in itself be off-putting to a complete newcomer so perhaps,
if it hasn't already been done, there should be a way of breaking the
ice for some one new. 

> (It also seems to me that there has a bit of a downward trend in the
> "long term user attendance", maybe due to the way that Linux itself
> has changed over the years. That's a different discussion.)

If it is the case that long term users are not turning up it probably
is because there isn't the need for as much hand-holding with current
Linux distros. Even Debian, which used to have a reputation for being
difficult  to get running, is nowadays a breeze. 

(It took about ten minutes to get a minimal install of Wheezy up and
running on an aopen Xcube box a few weeks ago and about the same length
of time to get ssh/rsync working so I can login to it remotely and use
it as a headless backup system)  

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking (Chris Dennis)

[Edward Beckmann]

Hi

Just try to log in and say forgotten password. Somebody who is hopefully
still reading the list will get the reset code.

Otherwise, I agree with Popey and others that social media would be useful,
but it does need a strategy (meaning a bit of a plan, not a multi-page
project). Maybe we could decide & delegate this LUG, with different
peoples' experiences.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Victor Churchill]

The LUG is different things to different people. It has always worked
pretty well as a group for self-help and information interchange between
members who are pretty committed and established Linux users. My
observation would be that it has perhaps worked less well as a vehicle for
introducing Linux to new or potentially new users and supporting them in
the early stages of getting to know Linux.

Typical Saturday meetings seem to be largely attended by hard-core
long-term members and less so by new users, and I fear that there may be
many new/potential users who come to one meeting and don't come again
because they feel out of their depth. So some intentionally
'newbie-friendly' structures (specific events, or talks/threads at
meetings) might be a great help in that area. As has been said already, it
may be hard to set that upwithout causing the more established users to
wander off due to lack of interest. (It also seems to me that there has a
bit of a downward trend in the "long term user attendance", maybe due to
the way that Linux itself has changed over the years. That's a different
discussion.)

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Lisi]

On Sunday 27 January 2013 23:57:37 Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi Lisi,
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:48:08PM +, Lisi wrote:
> > On Sunday 27 January 2013 18:23:13 Robert Longstaff wrote:
> > > Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
> > > intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
> > > specifically come to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the
> > > main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
> > > their knowledge with them.
> >
> > I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a
> > very limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people
> > present are experienced users.
>
> I'm struggling to find a polite way to say this but I don't feel
> that a majority of the thread starters here are experienced Linux users
> (from the post content) at all, and I also feel that there will be
> lurkers who are put off from posting questions because of the
> technical nature of posts they see.

You misunderstand me, Andy.  I myself would benefit from fairly basic talks 
and generally find those I attend pretty much above my head.  But it is my 
perception that most of you are considerably more knowledgeable than I am.  I 
am also very conscious that in some locations everyone is in the same room 
and an inaccessible talk can be very boring.

Since my perception is that most of you are above my head, I also think that 
having the talks too basic could drive people away.  If we find a way of 
attracting more total beginners, then obviously that balance would change.

Are we perhaps meaning something different by "complete beginner"??

> So I am not sure that even very basic talks should be discouraged.
> Everyone starts somewhere.
>
> Do bear in mind that experts are more able to go off and find
> conferences and communities more befitting their level of expertise
> anyway. (Hey, it's FOSDEM this weekend!)
>
> > So far there has been a good mix of talks and levels.  This seems to me
> > to be a much better idea.
>
> No one has proposed focusing exclusively on beginner talks. Robert
> specifically spoke AGAINST focusing on such. "A good mix of talks"
> does mean SOME beginner stuff.

 I was *agreeing* with Robert.  He had just said:

> > I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
> > intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
> > specifically come to that meeting) **but I wouldn't want to make that the
> > main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
> > their knowledge with them.**

(my stars)

The second half of that paragraph is exactly what I think.

Lisi


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tim Brocklehurst]

On Monday 28 Jan 2013 08:10:56 Tony Whitmore wrote:
> On 2013-01-27 23:48, Lisi wrote:
> > I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a
> > very
> > limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people
> > present are
> > experienced users.
> 
> I'm not so sure. The most popular talk I did was "How to install
> Ubuntu", where I ran through installing and configuring Ubuntu to first
> log in. The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.

Fancy doing the same again? Perhaps in more of a "workshop" format?

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tony Whitmore]

On 2013-01-27 23:48, Lisi wrote:
I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a 
very
limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people 
present are

experienced users.


I'm not so sure. The most popular talk I did was "How to install 
Ubuntu", where I ran through installing and configuring Ubuntu to first 
log in. The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.



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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Alan Pope]

On 28/01/13 06:36, Alan Pope wrote:

I also wanted to get it discussed on list before we go off half-cocked
creating random stuff all over the place which may not ever get used,
and will make it _harder_ not easier for people to find out what's going
on.



This probably came out more harsh than I'd intended, sorry.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Alan Pope]

On 27/01/13 21:59, Michael Daffin wrote:

I have created a google+ community for
HantsLUG.
If anyone wants admin privileges just ask and I will give you them.



I wasn't suggesting we have a G+ community. G+ Communities are pretty 
much forums, pre-authed with a Google account ID. I was thinking more of 
having a page (which is a separate thing in G+ parlance) which people 
could subscribe to and get updates when meetings are happening.


I also wanted to get it discussed on list before we go off half-cocked 
creating random stuff all over the place which may not ever get used, 
and will make it _harder_ not easier for people to find out what's going on.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Alan Pope]

On 27/01/13 23:48, Lisi wrote:

I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a very
limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people present are
experienced users.



Hence partly why I suggested that we should be using social media to get 
new people in.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

Exactly there are alot of new users who have made the jump to Linux. What would 
be the point in me attending a talk about LDAP or some advanced topic when i 
currently do not understand the basics. If anything it would put me off 
attending further talks because I would be sat there thinking 
"what the hell are they going on about"


Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jan 2013, at 23:58, "Andy Smith"  wrote:

> Hi Lisi,
> 
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:48:08PM +, Lisi wrote:
>> On Sunday 27 January 2013 18:23:13 Robert Longstaff wrote:
>>> Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
>>> intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
>>> specifically come to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the
>>> main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
>>> their knowledge with them.
>> 
>> I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a very 
>> limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people present are 
>> experienced users.  
> 
> I'm struggling to find a polite way to say this but I don't feel
> that a majority of the thread starters here are experienced Linux users
> (from the post content) at all, and I also feel that there will be
> lurkers who are put off from posting questions because of the
> technical nature of posts they see.
> 
> So I am not sure that even very basic talks should be discouraged.
> Everyone starts somewhere.
> 
> Do bear in mind that experts are more able to go off and find
> conferences and communities more befitting their level of expertise
> anyway. (Hey, it's FOSDEM this weekend!)
> 
>> So far there has been a good mix of talks and levels.  This seems to me to 
>> be 
>> a much better idea.
> 
> No one has proposed focusing exclusively on beginner talks. Robert
> specifically spoke AGAINST focusing on such. "A good mix of talks"
> does mean SOME beginner stuff.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Andy Smith]

Hi Lisi,

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:48:08PM +, Lisi wrote:
> On Sunday 27 January 2013 18:23:13 Robert Longstaff wrote:
> > Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
> > intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
> > specifically come to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the
> > main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
> > their knowledge with them.
> 
> I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a very 
> limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people present are 
> experienced users.  

I'm struggling to find a polite way to say this but I don't feel
that a majority of the thread starters here are experienced Linux users
(from the post content) at all, and I also feel that there will be
lurkers who are put off from posting questions because of the
technical nature of posts they see.

So I am not sure that even very basic talks should be discouraged.
Everyone starts somewhere.

Do bear in mind that experts are more able to go off and find
conferences and communities more befitting their level of expertise
anyway. (Hey, it's FOSDEM this weekend!)

> So far there has been a good mix of talks and levels.  This seems to me to be 
> a much better idea.

No one has proposed focusing exclusively on beginner talks. Robert
specifically spoke AGAINST focusing on such. "A good mix of talks"
does mean SOME beginner stuff.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Lisi]

On Sunday 27 January 2013 18:23:13 Robert Longstaff wrote:
> Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
> intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
> specifically come to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the
> main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
> their knowledge with them.

I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a very 
limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people present are 
experienced users.  

So far there has been a good mix of talks and levels.  This seems to me to be 
a much better idea.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Chris Dennis]

On 27/01/13 17:47, Alan Pope wrote:

Hullo,

It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence
on social networks (such as Twitter,


@HantsLUG exists on Twitter, but I don't know who 'owns' it.  I'd like 
to know (speaking as webmaster) so that I can integrate it into the 
website etc.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Michael Daffin]

I have created a google+ community for
HantsLUG.
If anyone wants admin privileges just ask and I will give you them.


On 27 January 2013 19:25, Tony Whitmore  wrote:

> On 27/01/13 17:47, Alan Pope wrote:
>
>> Hullo,
>>
>> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence
>> on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+).
>>
>
> The LUG has a twitter account which was used "back in the day" but still
> exists:
>
> https://twitter.com/hantslug
>
> It would be a great way to promote upcoming meetings, if anyone knows the
> password.
>
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tony Whitmore]

On 27/01/13 17:47, Alan Pope wrote:

Hullo,

It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence
on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+).


The LUG has a twitter account which was used "back in the day" but still 
exists:


https://twitter.com/hantslug

It would be a great way to promote upcoming meetings, if anyone knows 
the password.


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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

I understand that you need to cater for all levels of experience. I just 
thought that from my own personal experience I found it pretty hard to 
initially adjust to Linux (used Windows since 3.1) and would of found talks and 
lectures on basic administration invaluable. I think a lot of people start to 
use Linux and don't develop a good foundational level of understanding they try 
and jump the gun and run before they can walk. They essentially become 
frustrated with Linux and dismiss it for being over complicated and often 
revert back to what they know best windoze. I am the only person who uses Linux 
where I work and am often ridiculed my boss literally has said Linux is a niche 
it isn't used and it's rubbish. Believe me I have had to hold my tongue on many 
occasions.

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:23, "Robert Longstaff"  wrote:

> Hello Ally. One thing to remember is that a LUG needs to appeal to different 
> people at different levels. In other words, the range from those who are 
> brand new to Linux to those are more advanced and want to discuss topics with 
> their peers and find out about new things.
> 
> Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do intro 
> talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies specifically come 
> to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the main focus as the more 
> expert users would likely drift away and take their knowledge with them.
> 
> robert_
> 
> 
> On 27/01/13 18:00, Ally Biggs wrote:
>> Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold
>> Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux
>> Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and
>> Linux to play nicely). There is probably
>> Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the
>> transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to
>> sit to talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being
>> released this would also be a perfect opportunity
>> To grab new users attention. I'm quite
>> New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to
>> Attend a meeting and sit through a talk
>> On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that
>> level. It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners
>> setting up a Linux server workshop would be very
>> Popular with myself and a lot of other
>> People out there. Just some thoughts
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek" > > wrote:
>> 
>>> In general I think it is a good idea.
>>> 
>>> Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've
>>> not seen a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person.
>>> Anyone know of anything.
>>> 
>>> Anton
>>> 
>>> On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope" >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hullo,
>>> 
>>>It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active
>>>presence on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and
>>>Google+). I have seen other LUGs promote their meetings (and not
>>>much else) via these networks and it struck me as a good way to
>>>reach a wider audience than the website and mailing list currently do.
>>> 
>>>I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of
>>>the above networks and have some people responsible for posting
>>>when the LUG has a meeting.
>>> 
>>>To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website,
>>>and isn't targeting _you_ because you are already on the list.
>>>It's to target potential new people.
>>> 
>>>Opinions / flames...
>>> 
>>>Cheers,
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>>> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tim Brocklehurst]

On Sunday 27 Jan 2013 17:47:41 Alan Pope wrote:
> Hullo,
> 
> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence
> on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen
> other LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks
> and it struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the
> website and mailing list currently do.
> 
> I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the
> above networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG
> has a meeting.
> 
> To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and
> isn't targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to
> target potential new people.
> 
> Opinions / flames...
> 
> Cheers,

Alan,

This is not the first time it has been suggested. (See my thread back in 
October entitled "[Admin]Observations, improvements and initiatives". However, 
there was not a huge response to the idea.

I still think it's a good idea, but based on the amount of support, nothing 
further has happened.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Robert Longstaff]

Hello Ally. One thing to remember is that a LUG needs to appeal to 
different people at different levels. In other words, the range from 
those who are brand new to Linux to those are more advanced and want to 
discuss topics with their peers and find out about new things.


Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do 
intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies 
specifically come to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the 
main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take 
their knowledge with them.


robert_


On 27/01/13 18:00, Ally Biggs wrote:

Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold
Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux
Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and
Linux to play nicely). There is probably
Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the
transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to
sit to talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being
released this would also be a perfect opportunity
To grab new users attention. I'm quite
New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to
Attend a meeting and sit through a talk
On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that
level. It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners
setting up a Linux server workshop would be very
Popular with myself and a lot of other
People out there. Just some thoughts

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek" mailto:an...@piatek.co.uk>> wrote:


In general I think it is a good idea.

Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've
not seen a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person.
Anyone know of anything.

Anton

On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope" mailto:alan.p...@canonical.com>> wrote:

Hullo,

It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active
presence on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and
Google+). I have seen other LUGs promote their meetings (and not
much else) via these networks and it struck me as a good way to
reach a wider audience than the website and mailing list currently do.

I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of
the above networks and have some people responsible for posting
when the LUG has a meeting.

To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website,
and isn't targeting _you_ because you are already on the list.
It's to target potential new people.

Opinions / flames...

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

Basic could be a good thing to get more people to meets. The frustrating thing 
about Linux is trying to find good documentation to get things setup with 
minimal fuss. I think it would be a awesome idea for somebody to do a series of 
talks on setting up your own server. Covering topics such as installation, 
partition options such as lvm,raid. Followed by package configuration, how to 
manually setup I.P details / how to administrate remotely i.e ssh / tiger vnc. 
Then the next talk could be on essentials commands and basic cron, bash 
scripting then have another talk which explains how to configure and maintain 
services such as Apache, bind, Samba. Then have a final talk on routine 
matienance and administration of the server. For people who are getting there 
feet wet with Linux this would be 
Very attractive :) 

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:14, "Anton Piatek"  wrote:

> I have done a basic intro to the Linux and the command line at work and will 
> be repeating it. Maybe I should do it for the lug? I assumed it would be a 
> bit basic...
> 
> Anton
> 
> On 27 Jan 2013 17:59, "Ally Biggs"  wrote:
> Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold 
> Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux 
> Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and Linux 
> to play nicely). There is probably 
> Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the 
> transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to sit to 
> talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being released this 
> would also be a perfect opportunity 
> To grab new users attention. I'm quite 
> New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to 
> Attend a meeting and sit through a talk 
> On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that 
> level. It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners setting up 
> a Linux server workshop would be very 
> Popular with myself and a lot of other 
> People out there. Just some thoughts 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek"  wrote:
> 
>> In general I think it is a good idea.
>> 
>> Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've not seen 
>> a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person. Anyone know of 
>> anything.
>> 
>> Anton
>> 
>> On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope"  wrote:
>> Hullo,
>> 
>> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence on 
>> social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen other 
>> LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks and it 
>> struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the website and 
>> mailing list currently do.
>> 
>> I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the above 
>> networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG has a 
>> meeting.
>> 
>> To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and isn't 
>> targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to target 
>> potential new people.
>> 
>> Opinions / flames...
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> -- 
>> Alan Pope
>> Engineering Manager
>> 
>> Canonical - Product Strategy
>> +44 (0) 7973 620 164
>> alan.p...@canonical.com
>> http://ubuntu.com/
>> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tim Brocklehurst]

On Sunday 27 Jan 2013 18:00:26 Ally Biggs wrote:
> Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold
> Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux
> Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and
> Linux to play nicely). There is probably Alot of people out there coming
> from a windows world who are making the transition to Linux. Who are not
> necessarily gurus and do not want to sit to talks and lectures on advanced
> topics. With raspberry pi being released this would also be a perfect
> opportunity To grab new users attention. I'm quite
> New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to
> Attend a meeting and sit through a talk
> On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that
> level. It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners setting
> up a Linux server workshop would be very Popular with myself and a lot of
> other
> People out there. Just some thoughts

Ally,

The plan this year is to have a few scheduled "events". A lecture (which we've 
done), a debate (still being developed), and a social BBQ in the summer. Other 
monthly meetings have had a much less formal "agenda" for quite a while. I 
like the "workshop" idea, and that's what we're gradually moving towards. 
There are usually enough knowledgable people at the meetings to answer most of 
your questions, and can walk you through the steps. If there's a particular 
area you're interested in which you want a demo on, then please post a request 
for info when the meeting is announced (sorry I've been a bit slow doing it 
this month), and someone might be able to help you. I can certainly help with 
your topics above.

Hope to see you at the Feb meeting,

Tim B.

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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Tim Brocklehurst]

On Sunday 27 Jan 2013 18:13:22 Anton Piatek wrote:
> I have done a basic intro to the Linux and the command line at work and
> will be repeating it. Maybe I should do it for the lug? I assumed it would
> be a bit basic...

Please do!

Tim B.
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Anton Piatek]

I have done a basic intro to the Linux and the command line at work and
will be repeating it. Maybe I should do it for the lug? I assumed it would
be a bit basic...

Anton
On 27 Jan 2013 17:59, "Ally Biggs"  wrote:

> Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold
> Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux
> Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and
> Linux to play nicely). There is probably
> Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the
> transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to sit
> to talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being released
> this would also be a perfect opportunity
> To grab new users attention. I'm quite
> New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to
> Attend a meeting and sit through a talk
> On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that
> level. It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners setting
> up a Linux server workshop would be very
> Popular with myself and a lot of other
> People out there. Just some thoughts
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek"  wrote:
>
> In general I think it is a good idea.
>
> Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've not
> seen a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person. Anyone
> know of anything.
>
> Anton
> On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope"  wrote:
>
>> Hullo,
>>
>> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence
>> on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen
>> other LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks
>> and it struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the website
>> and mailing list currently do.
>>
>> I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the
>> above networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG
>> has a meeting.
>>
>> To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and isn't
>> targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to target
>> potential new people.
>>
>> Opinions / flames...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Alan Pope
>> Engineering Manager
>>
>> Canonical - Product Strategy
>> +44 (0) 7973 620 164
>> alan.p...@canonical.com
>> http://ubuntu.com/
>>
>> --
>> Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Web Interface: 
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/hampshire
>> LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk
>> --**--**--
>>
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>
>
> --
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold 
Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux 
Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and Linux to 
play nicely). There is probably 
Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the 
transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to sit to 
talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being released this 
would also be a perfect opportunity 
To grab new users attention. I'm quite 
New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to 
Attend a meeting and sit through a talk 
On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that level. 
It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners setting up a Linux 
server workshop would be very 
Popular with myself and a lot of other 
People out there. Just some thoughts 

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek"  wrote:

> In general I think it is a good idea.
> 
> Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've not seen 
> a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person. Anyone know of 
> anything.
> 
> Anton
> 
> On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope"  wrote:
> Hullo,
> 
> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence on 
> social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen other 
> LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks and it 
> struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the website and 
> mailing list currently do.
> 
> I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the above 
> networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG has a 
> meeting.
> 
> To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and isn't 
> targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to target potential 
> new people.
> 
> Opinions / flames...
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Alan Pope
> Engineering Manager
> 
> Canonical - Product Strategy
> +44 (0) 7973 620 164
> alan.p...@canonical.com
> http://ubuntu.com/
> 
> -- 
> Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire
> LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk
> --
> -- 
> Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
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> LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Anton Piatek]

In general I think it is a good idea.

Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've not
seen a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person. Anyone
know of anything.

Anton
On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope"  wrote:

> Hullo,
>
> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence
> on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen
> other LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks
> and it struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the website
> and mailing list currently do.
>
> I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the above
> networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG has a
> meeting.
>
> To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and isn't
> targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to target
> potential new people.
>
> Opinions / flames...
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Alan Pope
> Engineering Manager
>
> Canonical - Product Strategy
> +44 (0) 7973 620 164
> alan.p...@canonical.com
> http://ubuntu.com/
>
> --
> Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
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[Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Alan Pope]

Hullo,

It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence 
on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen 
other LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks 
and it struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the 
website and mailing list currently do.


I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the 
above networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG 
has a meeting.


To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and 
isn't targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to 
target potential new people.


Opinions / flames...

Cheers,
--
Alan Pope
Engineering Manager

Canonical - Product Strategy
+44 (0) 7973 620 164
alan.p...@canonical.com
http://ubuntu.com/

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