Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-06 Thread john
Hi
I have a 904hd.  I have used eeebuntu 2 and 3 standard on this machine.  The 
wireless works perfectly.  

eeebuntu 2 needs eee-control for the function keys controling the wireless to 
work.

John Eayrs

On Saturday 06 June 2009 09:26:33 AdamC wrote:
 2009/6/1 Richard Danter radan...@googlemail.com:
  And to think I bought my wife an Eee _because_ it was Linux...
 
    http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/
 
  Maybe this explains why updates are no longer working (we get out of
  memory errors now, even though there is nothing extra installed).
  Guess Asus have abandoned Linux.
 
  Maybe time to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix, anyone tried it on a 901?
 
  Rich

 I've prepared a USB stick with UNR on it, but have been put off by the
 wireless problems (according to some reports, the wireless needs some
 work on the kernel). This has put me off as I need to install it when
 I have a lot of time to fix it.

 Anyone had a go at this?

 Adam


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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-02 Thread Damian Brasher
Pavithran wrote:

 2009/6/1 Richard Danter radan...@googlemail.com
 Guess Asus have abandoned Linux.
 Yeah corporate decissions .. god knows how much M$ is paying for it .

This link looks up to date and GNU Linux is still mentioned as an option,

http://event.asus.com/eeepc/comparison/eeepc_comparison.htm

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-02 Thread Richard Danter
2009/6/1 Richard Danter radan...@googlemail.com:
 And to think I bought my wife an Eee _because_ it was Linux...

   http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/

 Maybe this explains why updates are no longer working (we get out of
 memory errors now, even though there is nothing extra installed).

Well I fixed the Xandros issue. Turns out the nice graphical install
tool does not clean up after it. I had to do a sudo apt-get clean to
free up some disk space. I wonder how many non-tech people would have
figured that one out, specially since to get to a terminal to type it
you have to open file manager first...!

Rich





 Guess Asus have abandoned Linux.

 Maybe time to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix, anyone tried it on a 901?

 Rich


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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-02 Thread Bob Dunlop
On Tue, Jun 02 at 02:03, Richard Danter wrote:
...
 free up some disk space. I wonder how many non-tech people would have
 figured that one out, specially since to get to a terminal to type it
 you have to open file manager first...!

Uhm you can get a terminal on Xandros by hitting Ctl-Alt-T from the
main screen and most other places.  At least you can on the 901s we
have here.
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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-02 Thread Bond, Peter


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 CTRL+ALT+T invokes a terminal.

But not if the upgrade installs have left things so cluttered there's no
space on /...  In which case, running a terminal from the file manager
is the only route available, then apt-get clean.

HTH

Peter
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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Richard Danter
2009/6/1 Bob Dunlop bob.dun...@xyzzy.org.uk:
 Hi,

 On Mon, Jun 01 at 09:18, Richard Danter wrote:
 ...
 Maybe time to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix, anyone tried it on a 901?

 Had a little bit of fun installing it due to a duff USB memory stick,
 but once I got that sorted, it does what it says on the tin.

Hmm, so I just need to convince my wife... She had no problems using
the pre-installed Linux, never mentioned using Windows, but I don't
want her to start thinking that I need to swap one Linux for another
because it is bad.

Just out of curio, did you repartition the SSD to use all of it, or
did you leave the restore partition so you could get back to the orig
distro?

Does everything work, including the web cam?

Thanks
R

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Sean Gibbins
Richard Danter wrote:
 And to think I bought my wife an Eee _because_ it was Linux...

http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/

 Maybe this explains why updates are no longer working (we get out of
 memory errors now, even though there is nothing extra installed).
 Guess Asus have abandoned Linux.

 Maybe time to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix, anyone tried it on a 901?

I ran up Pupeee [1] on my daughter's 701 the other day and was very
impressed. It's essentially Puppy 4.2 optimised for Eee PCs. I currently
run it off a USB stick and have no intention of installing it to the SSD
(the machine is on loan from school), but it  still performs well
despite that. The download is tiny and can be installed to a USB stick
on any machine with a CD/DVD, and subsequently run or installed on an
Eee PC machine.

Worth a look, although I have not had a chance to compare it to the
Ubuntu Netbook build.

Sean

[1] http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Pupeee


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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Isaac Close

--- On Mon, 1/6/09, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:

 Richard Danter wrote:
  And to think I bought my wife an Eee _because_ it was
 Linux...
 
 http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/
 

Everytime I try to open this link i am redirected to a vodafone page.

That is, on this windows xp machine with a PAYG vodafone usb broadband thing.

I suppose vodafone knows much better than me and hijacks my connections to 
protect me from terrorists and useful information etc.

The very next thing i'm going to do is install linux.

Isaac.




  

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Richard Danter
2009/6/1 Isaac Close isaaccl...@yahoo.co.uk:

 --- On Mon, 1/6/09, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:

 Richard Danter wrote:
  And to think I bought my wife an Eee _because_ it was
 Linux...
 
     http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/
 

 Everytime I try to open this link i am redirected to a vodafone page.

 That is, on this windows xp machine with a PAYG vodafone usb broadband thing.

 I suppose vodafone knows much better than me and hijacks my connections to 
 protect me from terrorists and useful information etc.

Urgh, that sounds a bit Big Brother (in the Orwellian sense) to me.
Maybe time to switch providers, who knows what else they are
protecting you from!


 The very next thing i'm going to do is install linux.

:)

Rich


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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Victor Churchill
2009/6/1 Isaac Close isaaccl...@yahoo.co.uk


 --- On Mon, 1/6/09, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:

  Richard Danter wrote:
   And to think I bought my wife an Eee _because_ it was
  Linux...
  
  http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/
  

 Everytime I try to open this link i am redirected to a vodafone page.

 That is, on this windows xp machine with a PAYG vodafone usb broadband
 thing.


Does this happen only for the one page, while others are retrieved
correctly? If so that sounds v. odd. I found with a dongle from 3 that it
would do that kind of thing for all web access if the config was not right,
but then behaved OK .. ish.
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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Isaac Close



--- On Mon, 1/6/09, Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...
 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
 Date: Monday, 1 June, 2009, 12:26 PM
 
 
 2009/6/1 Isaac Close isaaccl...@yahoo.co.uk
 
 
 
 --- On Mon, 1/6/09, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Richard Danter wrote:
 
   And to think I bought my wife an Eee _because_ it
 was
 
  Linux...
 
  
 
  http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/
 
  
 
 
 
 Everytime I try to open this link i am redirected to
 a vodafone page.
 
 
 
 That is, on this windows xp machine with a PAYG vodafone
 usb broadband thing.

 Does this happen only for the one page, while others are
 retrieved correctly? If so that sounds v. odd. I found with
 a dongle from 3 that it would do that kind of thing for all
 web access if the config was not right, but then behaved OK
 .. ish. 
 
 
I've only been using it a couple of days. It rejected one site the other day 
too.

Vodafone could probably argue that the device is pay-as-you-go and thus no 
personal checks are carried out at the time of purchase, therefore they 
content-filter everything.

They probably content filter everything anyway and spy on everything everyone 
does. 

No doubt they'll be running the latest spyware embedded into the 'drivers' 
software installation aswell.

One other thing, this costs 15GBP per GB, i'm paying to download unwanted 
adverts etc.

Isaac.




  

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Isaac Close

--- On Mon, 1/6/09, Jim Kissel j...@osml.eu wrote:

 
 Isaac Close wrote:
  The very next thing i'm going to do is install linux.

 If Vodafone is messing with DNS to do the re-direct,
 switching OS's will 
 not alter the result.

Yes I know.

I was thinking more along the lines of creating a tunnel to a remote location 
where access to my proxy and dns is availible. Thus all traffic will be 
encrypted going to and from a familiar location.

Oh and i'll be monitoring several aspects of the connection, i expect it to be 
a fairly flakey service.

Isaac.




  

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Jim Kissel


Isaac Close wrote:
 --- On Mon, 1/6/09, Jim Kissel j...@osml.eu wrote:
 
 Isaac Close wrote:
 The very next thing i'm going to do is install linux.
 
 If Vodafone is messing with DNS to do the re-direct,
 switching OS's will 
 not alter the result.
 
 Yes I know.
 
 I was thinking more along the lines of creating a tunnel to a remote
location where access to my proxy and dns is availible. Thus all traffic
will be encrypted going to and from a familiar location.
 
 Oh and i'll be monitoring several aspects of the connection, i expect
 it to be a fairly flakey service.
 
Sounds like you have a good handle on what's needed for a work-around. 
If you find Voda service flaky, I can recommend 3.  Been with them for 
about 14 months, and a 15GBP/month contract for 3Gigs.  Good service if 
there is a signal.  Their initial set-up is a bit flaky.
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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Victor Churchill
2009/6/1 Jim Kissel j...@osml.eu



 Isaac Close wrote:
 
  I was thinking more along the lines of creating a tunnel to a remote
 location where access to my proxy and dns is availible. Thus all traffic
 will be encrypted going to and from a familiar location.


Should be able to screen out some of the unwanted adbytes too that way.

 
  Oh and i'll be monitoring several aspects of the connection, i expect
  it to be a fairly flakey service.
 
 Sounds like you have a good handle on what's needed for a work-around.
 If you find Voda service flaky, I can recommend 3.  Been with them for
 about 14 months, and a 15GBP/month contract for 3Gigs.  Good service if
 there is a signal.  Their initial set-up is a bit flaky.


That's  putting it very mildly... the 3connect gadget or whatever it is that
does the Windows connection is ghastly (that's when my wife uses it on her
laptop, you understand). Ubuntu Network Manager seems to deal with it fairly
OK in my (limited) experience. As for if there is signal... - on the train
from Bmth to Clapham Junction I gave up trying to do any online work and
played Sudoku instead. Seemed to be no signal more often than not, so to
speak.
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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Jim Kissel


Victor Churchill wrote:
 2009/6/1 Jim Kissel j...@osml.eu
 

 Isaac Close wrote:
 I was thinking more along the lines of creating a tunnel to a remote
 location where access to my proxy and dns is availible. Thus all traffic
 will be encrypted going to and from a familiar location.

 
 Should be able to screen out some of the unwanted adbytes too that way.
 
 Oh and i'll be monitoring several aspects of the connection, i expect
 it to be a fairly flakey service.

 Sounds like you have a good handle on what's needed for a work-around.
 If you find Voda service flaky, I can recommend 3.  Been with them for
 about 14 months, and a 15GBP/month contract for 3Gigs.  Good service if
 there is a signal.  Their initial set-up is a bit flaky.
 
 
 That's  putting it very mildly... the 3connect gadget or whatever it is that
 does the Windows connection is ghastly (that's when my wife uses it on her

I wouldn't know.  Gave up that nasty habit a while back. The network 
manager on Xandros is easy, quick, and does what it says on the label.

 laptop, you understand). Ubuntu Network Manager seems to deal with it fairly
 OK in my (limited) experience. As for if there is signal... - on the train
 from Bmth to Clapham Junction I gave up trying to do any online work and
 played Sudoku instead. Seemed to be no signal more often than not, so to
 speak.
I have the same experience Woking - Waterloo, but Reading-Paddington 
is ok.  YMMV

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Martin A. Brooks
On 01/06/2009 14:41, Paul Stimpson wrote:
 I have Vodafone and I believe all new connections come with the kiddie-safe 
 content filter turned on. To get it switched off I had to either register on 
 the website or call customer services.  In either case I believe you have to 
 provide a credit card number. ISTR they charge a pound to your card (then 
 give you £2 back off your bill) as proof you are an adult.



I've just signed up for a 3G contract with Vodaphone.  (See previous 
post re: NC10).  I didn't have to provide a credit card number to get 
the (slightly bizarre and random) filtering switched off.  I just called 
customer services and they did the required voodoo.  YMMV I guess.




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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Sean Gibbins
Martin A. Brooks wrote:
 I'm practical and pragmatic mostly, so I went back to the OS it shipped 
 with. Hey ho.

Try Pupeee or Puppy - both are pretty painless in terms of the download
and quite refreshing in terms of the approach.

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Martin A. Brooks

On 01/06/2009 21:20, Sean Gibbins wrote:

Martin A. Brooks wrote:
   

I'm practical and pragmatic mostly, so I went back to the OS it shipped
with. Hey ho.
 


Try Pupeee or Puppy - both are pretty painless in terms of the download
and quite refreshing in terms of the approach.
   


Call me lazy and unadventurous, but these days I simply can't be 
bothered with a Linux distro that isn't Debian, or very closely related 
to Debian.  In practical terms this means *buntu on desktops and Debian 
on servers.



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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread Sean Gibbins
Martin A. Brooks wrote:
 On 01/06/2009 21:20, Sean Gibbins wrote:
 Martin A. Brooks wrote:
   
 I'm practical and pragmatic mostly, so I went back to the OS it shipped 
 with. Hey ho.
 

 Try Pupeee or Puppy - both are pretty painless in terms of the download
 and quite refreshing in terms of the approach.
   

 Call me lazy and unadventurous, but these days I simply can't be
 bothered with a Linux distro that isn't Debian, or very closely
 related to Debian.  In practical terms this means *buntu on desktops
 and Debian on servers. 



Fair enough Martin.

We use Ubuntu almost exclusively here, and I am all but done with
playing around with other distros now, since they are all much of a
muchness.

However, I came across Puppy when I wanted something lightweight that
would run off of a 2 GB USB stick to by-pass my work laptop's fully
encrypted hard drive and make use of the rest of the hardware for
personal use (ripping my vinyl albums for the most part).

I found it to be quite innovative in its approach and it remains my
USB-stick distro of choice despite having tried the various
Ubuntu/Mint/CrunchBang USB efforts created from the live disks since
then. One thing I like is that it is optimised to run in memory and make
as few writes to disk as it can, and also the ease with which the whole
USB drive install can be made to sit within an encrypted file.

I have used it to boot several other machines for maintenance so its
usefulness also extends beyond its original brief, as it were.

The downside is that you run as root, but then it was only ever intended
to be used in single-user mode. Also, it is a lightweight distro
designed for speed and a small memory footprint on older kit, so many of
the chunkier 'standard' applications found on regular distros are absent
on the base install. That said it absolutely flies on a dual-core laptop
with 2GB RAM!

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day...

2009-06-01 Thread pavithran
2009/6/1 Richard Danter radan...@googlemail.com


 Guess Asus have abandoned Linux.

Yeah corporate decissions .. god knows how much M$ is paying for it .


 Maybe time to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix, anyone tried it on a 901?

I tried Debian from Debian eee project and everything rocked :D
http://look-pavi.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-eee-901-on-debian-lenny.html

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day for me (and Tux??). A good day for Bill?

2009-04-30 Thread Steve Wesemeyer
On Wednesday 29 April 2009 22:22:48 Lisi wrote:
 Thanks, Ed, Steve, Alan and David :-)

 I have tried krec, but got nowhere, at least partly because I didn't
 understand it.  Or is there another and different application called
 Krecord?

 However, I must clearly try the Gnome program, and I want to try Jaunty,
 and I assume that the Gnome recorder will be available in Jaunty.  So I am
 trying 2 things at once, have downloaded and burnt the Jaunty AMD64 iso and
 am about to install it on a spare partition on my recently acquired testbed
 machine.

 I'll keep my fingers crossed.  If Doze recorder can only keep going for a
 few minutes, it wouldn't be much use anyway.

 Lisi

Lisi,

Krec and Krecord are different programs:

http://packages.debian.org/etch/krecord

http://packages.debian.org/etch/krec

I did a quick search on the debian website and it looks as if krecord is only 
available for etch. It's therefore unlikely to be available in Ubuntu 9.04.

Cheers,
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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day for me (and Tux??). A good day for Bill?

2009-04-30 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 30 April 2009 10:10:37 Steve Wesemeyer wrote:
 Krec and Krecord are different programs:

 http://packages.debian.org/etch/krecord

 http://packages.debian.org/etch/krec

 I did a quick search on the debian website and it looks as if krecord is
 only available for etch. It's therefore unlikely to be available in Ubuntu
 9.04.

Thanks, Steve!  I still have some unused space on my test-bed machine, so 
could install a third OS.  I'll try that next if what I am doing at the 
moment does not work well enough.  I can install Etch in the free space on the 
HDD and look at KRecord.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day for me (and Tux??). A good day for Bill?

2009-04-29 Thread David Bell
Lisi wrote:
 And yes, I have tried to find a simple recorder in Linux.  It doesn't seem to 
 exist.


Hello,

What about GNOME Sound Recorder? (Command line: gnome-sound-recorder)

It is about as simple as Windows' Sound Recorder.

Cheers,

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day for me (and Tux??). A good day for Bill?

2009-04-29 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 29 April 2009 17:15:53 David Bell wrote:
 Lisi wrote:
  And yes, I have tried to find a simple recorder in Linux.  It doesn't
  seem to exist.

 Hello,

 What about GNOME Sound Recorder? (Command line: gnome-sound-recorder)

 It is about as simple as Windows' Sound Recorder.

 Cheers,

 David Bell

Thanks for a potential life-line!  I did in fact try to install 
gnome-sound-recorder, but it appears not to be in the repositories for either 
PCLinuxOS or Lenny.

Still, if it would definitely be useful, I'll try to find the tar-ball and 
install it that way.  (I was getting very discouraged.  :-(  Getting the 
microphone going had been a nightmare of impenetrable jargon.)

But I had _much_ rather do it in Linux.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day for me (and Tux??). A good day for Bill?

2009-04-29 Thread alan c
Lisi wrote:
 I have been trying for weeks now to record a simple file in Linux, and 
 getting 
 almost nowhere.  (I recorded 2 words yesterday, but now can't do it again.  
 And anyhow, 2 words is not enough.)  I just don't know enough about sound 
 mixing to understand the instructions, particularly as every mixer and 
 instruction uses different terms.  I don't want to mix anything.  I don't 
 want multiple tracks.  I just want a simple recording such as can be done on 
 any cheap tape player.
 
 So just now, I went right against the grain and tried in XP.  It Just Worked. 
  
 No jargon.  No incomprehensible instructions.  You click record.  It records. 
  
 You click stop, it stops.  You click rewind, it rewinds.  You click play and 
 it plays.  Not very good quality, but hey, who cares.
 
 So I am going to have to tell Peter that he must record in Windows because XP 
 provides a simple recorder. :-((
 
 And yes, I have tried to find a simple recorder in Linux.  It doesn't seem to 
 exist.
 
 And if anyone tells me that Audacity is simple I shall go outside and 
 scream. :-(

Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 are not easy with sound recording, however, my
recent install of 8.04.2 and updated, worked ok with gnome sound
recorder. In these versions, pulseaudio sound server is used and I do
not think that audacity works with that yet in those versions.

However, ubuntu 9.04 works out of the box almost, with gnome sound
recorder.

I think I had to set the mixer options to include Mix and record Mix,
and I think I needed to do that with 8.04.2 also, but in 8.04.2  the
gnome sound recorder record level does not indicate, it records ok though.

I record some bbc radio 7 stuff sometimes.
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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day for me (and Tux??). A good day for Bill?

2009-04-29 Thread Steve Wesemeyer
On Wednesday 29 April 2009 16:49:05 Lisi wrote:
 I have been trying for weeks now to record a simple file in Linux, and
 getting almost nowhere.  (I recorded 2 words yesterday, but now can't do it
 again. And anyhow, 2 words is not enough.)  I just don't know enough about
 sound mixing to understand the instructions, particularly as every mixer
 and instruction uses different terms.  I don't want to mix anything.  I
 don't want multiple tracks.  I just want a simple recording such as can be
 done on any cheap tape player.

 So just now, I went right against the grain and tried in XP.  It Just
 Worked. No jargon.  No incomprehensible instructions.  You click record. 
 It records. You click stop, it stops.  You click rewind, it rewinds.  You
 click play and it plays.  Not very good quality, but hey, who cares.

 So I am going to have to tell Peter that he must record in Windows because
 XP provides a simple recorder. :-((

 And yes, I have tried to find a simple recorder in Linux.  It doesn't seem
 to exist.

 And if anyone tells me that Audacity is simple I shall go outside and
 scream. :-(

 Lisi

Krecord works for me (Opensuse 11.1, KDE 3.5, no pulseaudio)

Cheers.
 Steve

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Re: [Hampshire] A sad day for me (and Tux??). A good day for Bill?

2009-04-29 Thread Edward Beckmann
Lisi

I got gnome sound recorder included in ubuntu 8.04)  going with no expertise
on my part, and captures bbc fine.

Having said that, I recently stuffed it either during an update or later,
when adding kde to the mix. I live in the hope of resurrecting it at the LUG
meet on Sat!

XP seems to record for just one minute on its default sound recorder, which
is hardly enough time to utter 'I wonder if anyone is interested in a job
...'

See you on Sat

Ed
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