Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
I have had this problem too. What emulator are you using? PuTTY works OK, and as I remember, PF1=F1 By the way, if you are learning screenman, have you seen the video tutorials? They are quite helpful. They are screen captures that walk one through the process. I has able to create a screenman edit screen quite easily following the directions. Kevin On 11/28/05, Yamir Encarnacion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
Try hitting the P key, the actually letter, than F1 than E. That how it works for me. -Original Message- From: Kevin Toppenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:32 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question I have had this problem too. What emulator are you using? PuTTY works OK, and as I remember, PF1=F1 By the way, if you are learning screenman, have you seen the video tutorials? They are quite helpful. They are screen captures that walk one through the process. I has able to create a screenman edit screen quite easily following the directions. Kevin On 11/28/05, Yamir Encarnacion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
In my terminal emulator it's NumLock E. tjh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kasperski, Dan HE0 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:36 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question Try hitting the P key, the actually letter, than F1 than E. That how it works for me. -Original Message- From: Kevin Toppenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:32 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question I have had this problem too. What emulator are you using? PuTTY works OK, and as I remember, PF1=F1 By the way, if you are learning screenman, have you seen the video tutorials? They are quite helpful. They are screen captures that walk one through the process. I has able to create a screenman edit screen quite easily following the directions. Kevin On 11/28/05, Yamir Encarnacion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
--- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my terminal emulator it's NumLock E. tjh Not very helpful if you're using a laptop! === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing. --Philip Wadler --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
I was using the GNOME Terminal and hitting F1 brought up the GNOME Terminal Help. Upon your comment I tried using xterm and F1 works as PF1. I will also take a look at the video tutorials. Thanks to all for the replies. Yamir Encarnacion PS. After playing with GNOME Terminal for a bit I also discovered that disabling the default keyboard shortcut for GNOME Terminal Help allows F1 to work as PF1 --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had this problem too. What emulator are you using? PuTTY works OK, and as I remember, PF1=F1 By the way, if you are learning screenman, have you seen the video tutorials? They are quite helpful. They are screen captures that walk one through the process. I has able to create a screenman edit screen quite easily following the directions. Kevin On 11/28/05, Yamir Encarnacion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
Where can I get a copy of these Screenman video tutorials? -Original Message- From: Yamir Encarnacion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:01 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question I was using the GNOME Terminal and hitting F1 brought up the GNOME Terminal Help. Upon your comment I tried using xterm and F1 works as PF1. I will also take a look at the video tutorials. Thanks to all for the replies. Yamir Encarnacion PS. After playing with GNOME Terminal for a bit I also discovered that disabling the default keyboard shortcut for GNOME Terminal Help allows F1 to work as PF1 --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had this problem too. What emulator are you using? PuTTY works OK, and as I remember, PF1=F1 By the way, if you are learning screenman, have you seen the video tutorials? They are quite helpful. They are screen captures that walk one through the process. I has able to create a screenman edit screen quite easily following the directions. Kevin On 11/28/05, Yamir Encarnacion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
For PF1 the escape sequence is the following 4 keys: esc key, capital O, capital P, numeral 1. (And I'll bet you can guess what the escape sequence is for the PF2.) Follow that 4 key sequence by the E key to save and exit. Or the H key for help on all the other functions! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yamir Encarnacion Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:18 PM To: Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
This does not make sense to me anymore. How come different people have to type in different keystrokes for the same feature? -Original Message- From: Cameron Schlehuber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:44 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question For PF1 the escape sequence is the following 4 keys: esc key, capital O, capital P, numeral 1. (And I'll bet you can guess what the escape sequence is for the PF2.) Follow that 4 key sequence by the E key to save and exit. Or the H key for help on all the other functions! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yamir Encarnacion Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:18 PM To: Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
--- Kasperski, Dan HE0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not make sense to me anymore. How come different people have to type in different keystrokes for the same feature? That's because Screenman was originally designed to work with a particular type of terminal that has a numeric keypad (and sends a certain sequence of bytes to indicate that the leftmost key on the top of the numeric keypad has been pressed. That same key just happens to be NUM LOCK on a standard Microsoft keyboard). The trouble is that, since then, people have started using laptops that don't have a numeric keypad, or other computers not closely matching the familiar set-up, so escape sequences had to be defined instead. But, to make things worse, different terminal emulators do this in different ways. I'm sure things woule be done differently if VistA were developed today, but VistA's been around a long time, and was originally written for users with ADM3A's or VT100's (two common terminal types). Laptops were unheard of. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing. --Philip Wadler --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
The escape sequence is the constant. What differs (as Greg states in another response) is different system's means of generating the escape sequence with a single keystroke. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kasperski, Dan HE0 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:15 PM To: 'hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question This does not make sense to me anymore. How come different people have to type in different keystrokes for the same feature? -Original Message- From: Cameron Schlehuber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:44 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question For PF1 the escape sequence is the following 4 keys: esc key, capital O, capital P, numeral 1. (And I'll bet you can guess what the escape sequence is for the PF2.) Follow that 4 key sequence by the E key to save and exit. Or the H key for help on all the other functions! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yamir Encarnacion Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:18 PM To: Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
I love the PF keys and ScreenMan. Great timesavers and reduce typo's. I often mix programing macro's. For instance PF1= ^[OP I take that ^[OP and ad an e on PF6 to turn it into execute save PF6= ^[OPe This saves the data and exits. To exit without saving use: PF11= ^[OPqand PF12 PF ^[OPs does a save and stay resident. The PF12 usually will exicute trigers and stay resident - though it is inconsistant. The 11 and 12 are just my conventions. They can be used anyway you wish. Modifiers like shift key and ctrl add even more power. There are many other usable combinations. The only limit is how many characters your emulator allows. I keep looking for a better emulator. Bes I have found so far is SecureNetTerm. A freebie downloadable program by Intersoft. Not sure if it is still free forever, though it's still worth the $. Hope this formats ok. thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:27 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question --- Kasperski, Dan HE0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot This does not make sense to me anymore. How come different people have to type in different keystrokes for the same feature? That's because Screenman was originally designed to work with a particular type of terminal that has a numeric keypad (and sends a certain sequence of bytes to indicate that the leftmost key on the top of the numeric keypad has been pressed. That same key just happens to be NUM LOCK on a standard Microsoft keyboard). The trouble is that, since then, people have started using laptops that don't have a numeric keypad, or other computers not closely matching the familiar set-up, so escape sequences had to be defined instead. But, to make things worse, different terminal emulators do this in different ways. I'm sure things woule be done differently if VistA were developed today, but VistA's been around a long time, and was originally written for users with ADM3A's or VT100's (two common terminal types). Laptops were unheard of. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing. --Philip Wadler --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
If you are using KEA terminal emulator, they have a virtual VT-100 keyboard which has the PF1 key native on it, laptop or not. - Original Message - From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question --- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my terminal emulator it's NumLock E. tjh Not very helpful if you're using a laptop! === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing. --Philip Wadler --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
--- Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are using KEA terminal emulator, they have a virtual VT-100 keyboard which has the PF1 key native on it, laptop or not. Well, maybe you've figured it out, but in KEA, I had to resort to displaying the keyboard window and clicking on PF1. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interaction is the mind-body problem of computing. --Philip Wadler --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
Dan; Part of the confusion is the terminal emulator you might be using. Some will emulate the VT-100 family of terminals by DEC (once a relative standard in the industry) which is now owned by HP (by way of Compaq). There was a lot of good, easy functionality that was put out there for others to follow. Not everyone followed, hense the confusion. I am sorry that you have been confronted by this, but these problems bit us a long time ago, and it still waits for others like yourself. The answer is to find a good terminal emulator that will support at least VT-100. Reflections does it, KEA does it, and I am sure that there are some Open Source ones that do it. Best of luck. - Original Message - From: Kasperski, Dan HE0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question This does not make sense to me anymore. How come different people have to type in different keystrokes for the same feature? -Original Message- From: Cameron Schlehuber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:44 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question For PF1 the escape sequence is the following 4 keys: esc key, capital O, capital P, numeral 1. (And I'll bet you can guess what the escape sequence is for the PF2.) Follow that 4 key sequence by the E key to save and exit. Or the H key for help on all the other functions! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yamir Encarnacion Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:18 PM To: Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question
The Intersoft NetTerm is Keyboard labeled as: IBM 101 Enhance PC Keyboard I then set it to VT320 and program the keys (though VT100 seems to work the same). If desired, I could do a screen capture, though I don't think it will travel over this list. thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Richardson Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:59 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question Dan; Part of the confusion is the terminal emulator you might be using. Some will emulate the VT-100 family of terminals by DEC (once a relative standard in the industry) which is now owned by HP (by way of Compaq). There was a lot of good, easy functionality that was put out there for others to follow. Not everyone followed, hense the confusion. I am sorry that you have been confronted by this, but these problems bit us a long time ago, and it still waits for others like yourself. The answer is to find a good terminal emulator that will support at least VT-100. Reflections does it, KEA does it, and I am sure that there are some Open Source ones that do it. Best of luck. - Original Message - From: Kasperski, Dan HE0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question This does not make sense to me anymore. How come different people have to type in different keystrokes for the same feature? -Original Message- From: Cameron Schlehuber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:44 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question For PF1 the escape sequence is the following 4 keys: esc key, capital O, capital P, numeral 1. (And I'll bet you can guess what the escape sequence is for the PF2.) Follow that 4 key sequence by the E key to save and exit. Or the H key for help on all the other functions! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yamir Encarnacion Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:18 PM To: Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Screenman question Hello, I am trying to follow the Screenman Tutorial found in the VDL. On page 7 of the tutorial it says to press PF1E to save a form and exit the form editor. The problem I am having is that I have not been able to figure out which key is PF1. I tried F1, Shift, Ctrl, Alt in combination with the E key but none of these combinations worked. Does anyone know what key or combination of keys I need to use to get the functionality of the PF1 key. Thanks Yamir Encarnacion --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman help needed
Yes, I know it is a pointer. But in this case it is not a dangling pointer. Screen man is displaying the valid IEN number for the patient instead of the name. Kevin --- Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I'm sure you've guessed, the .01 field is a pointer to file 2. My guess is that there is no entry in file 2 with the value you see as ien (i.e., you have a dangling pointer). Of course, it could be something else, but dangling pointers do behave this way. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Jun 12, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Hey all, I need help with a screenman form. I have followed the tutorials for creating a screenman form. And by the way, there is a new (as of 03/05) html-based front end to the lotus screencam tutorials. They are quite good. My problem is that I insert a DATA DICTIONARY field for file 8925 (TIU DOCUMENT), field .02 PATIENT. And when use the form to edit a document, sometimes the field displays the patient's name (good), and sometimes it displays just the record number/IEN (not good). And when I have a field for the author (which is a pointer to file 200, it displays the author's name. But when I have a field for the transcriptionist (ENTERED BY field), which is also a pointer to file 200, it just displays their initials. So how do I adjust the format of a field's value? Thanks Kevin __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman help needed
I'm sure it is obvious, but did you double check that the pointer is actually valid? I know FileMan just returns a number if the pointer is not actually pointing somewhere. Let's say the number displaying is 1532. Since the root for the PATIENT file (#2) is ^DPT( then I would like to know if MUMPS W ^DPT(1532,0),! produces an error, or if it produces a line. If it produces an error, you don't have an valid pointer. by the way, an error in GT.M looks like: %GTM-E-GVUNDEF, Global variable undefined: ^DPT(2,1532,0) I don't have my Cache box available to remind you what the error in Cache looks like, sorry. David Whitten 713-870-3834 Yes, I know it is a pointer. But in this case it is not a dangling pointer. Screen man is displaying the valid IEN number for the patient instead of the name. Kevin --- Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I'm sure you've guessed, the .01 field is a pointer to file 2. My guess is that there is no entry in file 2 with the value you see as ien (i.e., you have a dangling pointer). Of course, it could be something else, but dangling pointers do behave this way. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Jun 12, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Hey all, I need help with a screenman form. I have followed the tutorials for creating a screenman form. And by the way, there is a new (as of 03/05) html-based front end to the lotus screencam tutorials. They are quite good. My problem is that I insert a DATA DICTIONARY field for file 8925 (TIU DOCUMENT), field .02 PATIENT. And when use the form to edit a document, sometimes the field displays the patient's name (good), and sometimes it displays just the record number/IEN (not good). And when I have a field for the author (which is a pointer to file 200, it displays the author's name. But when I have a field for the transcriptionist (ENTERED BY field), which is also a pointer to file 200, it just displays their initials. So how do I adjust the format of a field's value? Thanks Kevin __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman help needed
Kevin said: Hey all, And when I have a field for the author (which is a pointer to file 200, it displays the author's name. But when I have a field for the transcriptionist (ENTERED BY field), which is also a pointer to file 200, it just displays their initials. So how do I adjust the format of a field's value? Thanks Kevin You adjust it using an OUTPUT TRANSFORM. As you recall, this is exactly the same field you had used earlier when using FileMan SEARCH and getting unexpected results. Looking at that field: Select OPTION: DATA DICTIONARY UTILITIES Select DATA DICTIONARY UTILITY OPTION: LIST FILE ATTRIBUTES START WITH WHAT FILE: TIU DOCUMENT// GO TO WHAT FILE: TIU DOCUMENT// Select SUB-FILE: Select LISTING FORMAT: STANDARD// Start with field: FIRST// 1302 ENTERED BY Go to field: 1302 ENTERED BY DEVICE: TELNET STANDARD DATA DICTIONARY #8925 -- TIU DOCUMENT FILE JUN 13,[EMAIL PROTECTED]:39:51 PAGE 1 STORED IN ^TIU(8925, *** NO DATA STORED YET *** SITE: OPENVISTA DEMO UCI: VAH,ROU (VERSION 1.0) DATA NAME GLOBALDATA ELEMENT TITLE LOCATION TYPE --- 8925,1302 ENTERED BY 13;2 POINTER TO NEW PERSON FILE (#200) OUTPUT TRANSFORM: S Y=$S(+$G(TIUINI):$$LOWER^TIULS($P($G(^VA(200,+Y(0),0)),U,2)),1:$P($G(^VA(200,+Y(0),0)),U,2)) LAST EDITED: JUN 17, 1997 HELP-PROMPT: This is the person who entered the document into the computer. CROSS-REFERENCE: 8925^TC 1)= S ^TIU(8925,TC,$E(X,1,30),DA)= 2)= K ^TIU(8925,TC,$E(X,1,30),DA) You see here on the first page that it mentions the OUTPUT TRANSFORM and gives you the code to present the Abbreviation for the NEW PERSON referenced. This is originally done (and edited later) through the FileMan UTILITY option: MUMPSD P^DI VA FileMan 22.0 Select OPTION:UTILITY FUNCTIONS Select UTILITY OPTION: ? Answer with UTILITY OPTION NUMBER, or NAME Do you want the entire 11-Entry UTILITY OPTION List? Y (Yes) Choose from: 1VERIFY FIELDS 2CROSS-REFERENCE A FIELD OR FILE 3IDENTIFIER 4RE-INDEX FILE 5INPUT TRANSFORM (SYNTAX) 6EDIT FILE 7OUTPUT TRANSFORM 8TEMPLATE EDIT 9UNEDITABLE DATA 10 MANDATORY/REQUIRED FIELD CHECK 11 KEY DEFINITION Select UTILITY OPTION: OUTPUT TRANSFORM MODIFY WHAT FILE: TIU DOCUMENT// Select FIELD: 1302 ENTERED BY ENTERED BY OUTPUT TRANSFORM: S Y=$S(+$G(TIUINI):$$LOWER^TIULS($P($G(^VA(200,+Y(0 ),0)),U,2)),1:$P($G(^VA(200,+Y(0),0)),U,2)) Replace Select UTILITY OPTION: --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman
IHS does use Screenman some. Jim Gray - Original Message - From: Michael Ginsburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Screenman Does anybody still use Screenman? If not, why not? --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman
I suspect the reason is most on the list are programmers or, like me, have not faced getting this into a clincal practice. Do you by any chance have a registration solution you could share with us since I suspect that that is what Mike is grappling with right now? On Thursday 16 December 2004 01:18 am, Thurman Pedigo wrote: This thread is most interesting in the comments it produced. Clearly, the ScreenMan never caught on, and it is my favorite tool in FileMan. We use it extensively and have done so for over 10 years. It is most convenient and I use it to create menus, build options, and it's used exclusively in production. It is very fast, efficient, and presents a nice picture of the work in process. Given the horsepower we allow, it leaves windows in the dust. It was doing pop-ups long before discovered by internet browsers. Weaknesses? As already addressed, it hasn't advanced over the last few years. It doesn't, in my hands, have good way to do read only mode so I can imagine that in a large group competition for review without edit of records could get bothersome. However, we haven't experienced a problem with that. Mouse navigation is not implemented as a pointing device, but given the efficient navigation with programmed keys, who needs it. Listmanager may be ok, but in our experience it is a poor substitute for ScreenMan. My friends say I am not much with group-think. It could be they know something. I will be glad to have further discussion offline in the unlikely event someone is interested. Thanks, thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman Good question. The last time I designed a Screenman interface, I was informed by th eusers that they wanted roll and scroll. :-( --- Michael Ginsburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody still use Screenman? If not, why not? --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman
registration solution Not sure what you are looking for with that term, but here is a try. The tutorial is probably one of VA's best. The NEW PERSON file is a good demo (you don't have to leave SCREENMAN menu, just do Run a Form) and look at the screens there. Then run XQEDTOPT and look at the TYPE field to see the power of designing almost any kind of option already built into that screen. A large part of my development work (after files and fields - and MODIFY FILE already allows screen management) is done via XQEDTOPT. If I were better at M, I might have a different opinion. However, I programmed in Basic (prior to VB and mostly 10PM to 2AM) for over 10 years (70's 80s) and, as a consequence, dodge REAL programming whenever I can. Since I just downloaded the newest VistA, I haven't built any ScreenMan options yet. I will be glad to share whatever I develop if some of the guru's will coach us on export and import of ScreenMan forms. Thanks, thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy E. Anthracite Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman I suspect the reason is most on the list are programmers or, like me, have not faced getting this into a clincal practice. Do you by any chance have a registration solution you could share with us since I suspect that that is what Mike is grappling with right now? On Thursday 16 December 2004 01:18 am, Thurman Pedigo wrote: This thread is most interesting in the comments it produced. Clearly, the ScreenMan never caught on, and it is my favorite tool in FileMan. We use it extensively and have done so for over 10 years. It is most convenient and I use it to create menus, build options, and it's used exclusively in production. It is very fast, efficient, and presents a nice picture of the work in process. Given the horsepower we allow, it leaves windows in the dust. It was doing pop-ups long before discovered by internet browsers. Weaknesses? As already addressed, it hasn't advanced over the last few years. It doesn't, in my hands, have good way to do read only mode so I can imagine that in a large group competition for review without edit of records could get bothersome. However, we haven't experienced a problem with that. Mouse navigation is not implemented as a pointing device, but given the efficient navigation with programmed keys, who needs it. Listmanager may be ok, but in our experience it is a poor substitute for ScreenMan. My friends say I am not much with group-think. It could be they know something. I will be glad to have further discussion offline in the unlikely event someone is interested. Thanks, thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman Good question. The last time I designed a Screenman interface, I was informed by th eusers that they wanted roll and scroll. :-( --- Michael Ginsburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody still use Screenman? If not, why not? --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman
Hmmm. I was looking at the option file for export/import and discovered export/import a health summary object. I was wondering if this is something we could use to create the Contiuitiy of Care record from a patients file. Can we create an object and format it before or after for the XML type format of the CCR? On Thursday 16 December 2004 02:45 pm, Thurman Pedigo wrote: registration solution Not sure what you are looking for with that term, but here is a try. The tutorial is probably one of VA's best. The NEW PERSON file is a good demo (you don't have to leave SCREENMAN menu, just do Run a Form) and look at the screens there. Then run XQEDTOPT and look at the TYPE field to see the power of designing almost any kind of option already built into that screen. A large part of my development work (after files and fields - and MODIFY FILE already allows screen management) is done via XQEDTOPT. If I were better at M, I might have a different opinion. However, I programmed in Basic (prior to VB and mostly 10PM to 2AM) for over 10 years (70's 80s) and, as a consequence, dodge REAL programming whenever I can. Since I just downloaded the newest VistA, I haven't built any ScreenMan options yet. I will be glad to share whatever I develop if some of the guru's will coach us on export and import of ScreenMan forms. Thanks, thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy E. Anthracite Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman I suspect the reason is most on the list are programmers or, like me, have not faced getting this into a clincal practice. Do you by any chance have a registration solution you could share with us since I suspect that that is what Mike is grappling with right now? On Thursday 16 December 2004 01:18 am, Thurman Pedigo wrote: This thread is most interesting in the comments it produced. Clearly, the ScreenMan never caught on, and it is my favorite tool in FileMan. We use it extensively and have done so for over 10 years. It is most convenient and I use it to create menus, build options, and it's used exclusively in production. It is very fast, efficient, and presents a nice picture of the work in process. Given the horsepower we allow, it leaves windows in the dust. It was doing pop-ups long before discovered by internet browsers. Weaknesses? As already addressed, it hasn't advanced over the last few years. It doesn't, in my hands, have good way to do read only mode so I can imagine that in a large group competition for review without edit of records could get bothersome. However, we haven't experienced a problem with that. Mouse navigation is not implemented as a pointing device, but given the efficient navigation with programmed keys, who needs it. Listmanager may be ok, but in our experience it is a poor substitute for ScreenMan. My friends say I am not much with group-think. It could be they know something. I will be glad to have further discussion offline in the unlikely event someone is interested. Thanks, thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman Good question. The last time I designed a Screenman interface, I was informed by th eusers that they wanted roll and scroll. :-( --- Michael Ginsburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody still use Screenman? If not, why not? --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Screenman
Interesting discovery. VistA is rich in content. Wealth abounds for those inquisitive souls who care to mine for the nuggets/t -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy E. Anthracite Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman Hmmm. I was looking at the option file for export/import and discovered export/import a health summary object. I was wondering if this is something we could use to create the Contiuitiy of Care record from a patients file. Can we create an object and format it before or after for the XML type format of the CCR? nfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Screenman
ScreenMan was developed several years before the VA had any chance of deploying any Graphical User Interface. When the RPC Broker and Delphi became available, there was little incentive to do new work with ScreenMan. However, modifications are still done to existing interfaces that do not have major re-engineering resources available. On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:47 -0600 (Original message) Michael Ginsburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody still use Screenman? If not, why not? --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan
I had the same question. A quick web search revealed that ncurses is a api that provides for text writing to a terminal screen with fancy colors, windows etc. etc. gtk+ is a graphic library for c programmers to use when writing graphic programs. kevin --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 20 words or less, what is ncurses, other than that library we need to link to to install OpenVistA, and what is gtk? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K.S. Bhaskar Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 08:49, Nancy Anthracite wrote: I was just thinking, if C code can be integrated in with M code, at least in GTM and I think in Cache, too, then this might be the perfect place for it. On the other hand, maybe that would not be OK because it would not match coding standards for the VA? But then on the other hand, if ScreenMan still worked fine without the added functionality - like it was an option with and If available ... then use, could it be included? Kevin, Bhaskar and David, don't you all program in both? What do you think? No, I don't program in both. I don't program. When I stopped being able to do useful work, many years ago, they made me a manager. When my kids ask me what I do at work, I refer them to Dilbert and say I am the guy with the pointy hair... When people ask about programming a GUI /CHUI with GT.M, I tell them to use ncurses or gtk rather than writing UI code in M. Of course, since ScreenMan exists already, it makes sense to use it. I am all for code reuse, if the what exists is reusable. -- Bhaskar *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source
Thanks Joseph, I make these contributions for the following reasons: 1) The US tax payer paid for it so it should at least be available to them. 2) I know Open Source works given the right critical mass. 3) I want to see GT.M, EsiObjects, VistA and associated packages succeed. 4) It keeps me occupied and leaves little room for boredom :-) Terry L. Wiechmann www.esitechnology.com 978-779-0257 Skype: twiechmann - Original Message - From: Joseph Dal Molin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source Hi Terry, First off I would like to echo Kevin's message and thank you for the great thread and for your company's extremely valuable contributions to the community. For those on this list who may not know WorldVistA has been using Sourceforge for several years now, mostly to make code available...and very little for managing distributed, collaborative development. The recent discussions regarding the GUI and other suggestions to improve VistA as well as your offer below it is an ideal opportunity for us to more closely cross-index and integrate our Sourceforge and project web pages. I wish I had the MUMPS expertise to offer my help my help at a technical level. A thought I just had is to create a visual meta site hyper index or map that both catalogues and describes the relationship between WorldVistA, Esi-Objects, UC Davis', VA etc. software and documentation resources and allows the addition of other sources of code etc. The ex-DECies may remember the Golden Eggs document that was a visual guide of the kind I am thinking of. Assuming that people think this would be valuable I would be happy to manage and contribute to building this map...beginning with a simple prototype...unless of course there is a model to start from. Cheers, Joseph On Sun, 2004-09-19 at 06:11, Terry Wiechmann wrote: SourceForge does have a CVS. We have all the EsiObjects C++ (client) code out there. Over the next couple months we will be putting the core MUMPS routines out (next) as well as the class hierarchy. There should be overlap with what I'm doing at the MUMPS level and I would be more than willing to share that code and documentation with this group. It will yet again be a new learning experience and I would suggest one or two WV volunteers who know VistA get involved with me if you chose to take me up on my offer. It will give me the opportunity to learn a little about VistA kitting, structure, etc. I wished I had done this years ago. We were a small group of 3-4 who worked closely with each other. We used VSS in-house and were able to maintain version control rather easily just by coordinating with each other. However, since the developers have been scattered and a couple new volunteers have come on line, it is absolutely essential to have a common repository. With all the people involved in VistA, not having a common version control system is very scary. Terry L. Wiechmann www.esitechnology.com 978-779-0257 Skype: twiechmann - Original Message - From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source I am delighted to here that your code will be available at some point. Your original email stating that it was written for MedSphere was interpreted by me to mean it was for Medsphere, and only Medsphere. Therefore, I thought what sounded like a great idea ought to be recreated for the open source community. One of the main strengths of open source as I understand it is that its use by the community helps to debug it. So if it is to be available, for now, it seems it could be put on the SourceForge WorldVistA site for people to use in a nonproduction environment to help to shake out the bugs. If we wait for everything to be perfect, it may never get out. The HUI folks released OpenVistA before it was tested out to be perfect partly in the spirit of letting the open source community help to participate in its debugging. In fact, they deliberately released it to get it out there in time for the Sacramento meeting so that process could begin. Personally, I congratulate them for it and hope that Medsphere might consider having your code released early as well. I find it most unfortunate that the VA has chosen not to use or even evaluate code submitted by you and others. It is ironic that you should mention the internationalization code as I think they could have used it in their recent effort to help with an implementation of VistA in Mexico. I don't thing the right hand knows what the left hand already has in it. I am not privy to the whole story, but from the bits and pieces I pick up, that is what I would
Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source
Without sounding petty and long-winded (excuse the 12-hr time difference and the weekend), I thought I said that I assume it will be open source. My expression of surprise that it may not be is directed to Nancy's assumption which is understandable. Normally I notice that statements made like George's would also provide a reference to a link where the codes are available... Having said this and George's reply, I would be able to give feedback as to users level of acceptance of ScreenMan as the interface especially for labs and pharmacy. Rgds, Molly George Timson wrote: Dear Hardhats, I would like to respond to what I see on the Hardhats Sourceforge archive page this morning: From: Dr Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan Oh, I thought it will be able open source [sic] After all Medsphere uses OpenVistA. Otherwise it sounds like whats yours is mine and what is mine is mine :) Molly Nancy Anthracite wrote: So all you M programmers out there. How about an OPEN SOURCE version of this. Think you can do it? Dr. Anthracite and Dr. Cheah seem to assume that, if I write ScreenMan code for Medsphere, it will not subsequently be open-sourced. I am wondering where they got this impression. What Medsphere representative has ever written or said this? The facts are that: 1) Medsphere has contributed to the Open-source implementation of GT.M-compatible VistA code since early 2002. 2) Medsphere hosted a World VistA meeting at its offices in Orange County in August 2002, and has sent representatives to virtually every meeting the group has ever conducted. 3) Medsphere offered WorldVistA in 2002 a computer platform and software (CMS) with which to manage open-source code. The VistA community seems to have left this resource unused. 4) In December, 2002, Medsphere gave to the DVA, for free, code changes, written by me and paid for by Medsphere, to over 150 FileMan routines, which enhance FileMan's Internationalization capabilities. DVA has done nothing to disseminate this code in the intervening two years, and has made it more than clear that it will not deal with unsolicited enhancements or patches to its large corpus of parked VistA software. When the VistA community has in place a mechanism for submitting, testing, peer-reviewing, approving, and disseminating code modifications, I will be delighted to know about it. Our ability at Medsphere to support such a mechanism in-house has been hampered this year by our ongoing implementation of VistA for several hospitals in the South Central U.S. Nor do we now believe that such a code-sharing mechanism should be in the hands of one for-profit vendor like Medsphere. I would suggest that it is time for the community to put a source-code-sharing mechanism in place for the use of all parties interested in VistA (as distinct from a small group of techies who EMail code snippets amongst themselves). When that job is accomplished, be assured that Medsphere will be ready to continue contributing to the promulgation and improvement of Open-source VistA software worldwide. Yours truly, --George Timson --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan
So all you M programmers out there. How about an OPEN SOURCE version of this. Think you can do it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Timson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:37 PM To: Hardhats Subject: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan All those F1- key sequences are very hard to remember. I think that's why VA ScreenMan has been underused. Plus, processing with ScreenMan takes up a lot of computer cycles, but that is less of a problem than it was a dozen years ago, when ScreenMan first appeared. I've rewritten ScreenMan for Medsphere in the last six months so that it is (on the appropriate terminal) mouse-aware. I think that this makes a huge positive difference in its usability. --George Timson I AM big. It's the PIXELS that got small! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Open Source Discussion at WV Meeting Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan
Hi Terry, Thank you for suggesting it be on the agendayou read our minds it is! I volunteered to lead a session on the subject as it is one of the few things that I can publicly claim to have some expertise in. In anticipation of a good turn out and lively discussion it would be really great if those interested in the subject discuss what we should cover during the session. I will commit to tabling the issues etc. at the meeting and reporting back to the list with a synopsis of the discussion. Cheers, Joseph On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 11:49, Terry Wiechmann wrote: This thread brings up a point that I hope will be on the agenda at the WV meeting. That is, a frank and open discussion about Open Source, its benefits, drawbacks, etc. As someone who has had a product in Open Source for several years now, I've learned a few things about the pro's and cons of Open Source (definitely not a guru). I've discovered most organizations take and do not give back. Its not that they actually would not like to, it's just the traditional thinking that goes along with building a business (simply staying in business is more to the point). The 'competitive edge' is one of the main drivers in this thinking. I understand it all too well. However, I learned you can 'make money' (if that's what you are all about) by giving the software away. That concept alone opens up doors that are closed to organizations who's business is staying in business. As I discovered over the last 15 years, changing traditional thinking is a hard sell. Terry L. Wiechmann www.esitechnology.com 978-779-0257 Skype: twiechmann - Original Message - From: Dr Molly Cheah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan Oh, I thought it will be able open source After all Medsphere uses OpenVistA. Otherwise it sounds like what's yours is mine and what is mine is mine :) Molly Nancy Anthracite wrote: So all you M programmers out there. How about an OPEN SOURCE version of this. Think you can do it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Timson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:37 PM To: Hardhats Subject: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan All those F1- key sequences are very hard to remember. I think that's why VA ScreenMan has been underused. Plus, processing with ScreenMan takes up a lot of computer cycles, but that is less of a problem than it was a dozen years ago, when ScreenMan first appeared. I've rewritten ScreenMan for Medsphere in the last six months so that it is (on the appropriate terminal) mouse-aware. I think that this makes a huge positive difference in its usability. --George Timson I AM big. It's the PIXELS that got small! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan
I think Word-star was the program that setup the Ctrl-C etc sequences. That was THE word processor initially. I think I remember that my Borland Pascal labeled the key sequences as Word-Star sequences. Kevin --- Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We programmed the F1 sequences so a standard set of keys become short cuts, For instance in ScreenMan F6=Save/exit; F7=mark; F8=copy; F9=cut; F10=paste; F11=exit without saving; F12=save stay resident, as just a few. I find it interesting that the GUI control key c, v, and x are the same as FileMan F1 sequences. Does anyone know who created that standard? thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beza, Fil Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan I don't remember any application ever releasing any screens so I don't think the F1-key sequences are to blame - users never got to the chance to use them. Quite a few has List Manager already in place and the programmers weren't motivated to build screens to replace wht they had. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Timson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:37 PM To: Hardhats Subject: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan All those F1- key sequences are very hard to remember. I think that's why VA ScreenMan has been underused. Plus, processing with ScreenMan takes up a lot of computer cycles, but that is less of a problem than it was a dozen years ago, when ScreenMan first appeared. I've rewritten ScreenMan for Medsphere in the last six months so that it is (on the appropriate terminal) mouse-aware. I think that this makes a huge positive difference in its usability. --George Timson I AM big. It's the PIXELS that got small! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source
George, I don't know much about CVS systems, but aren't they designed for what you are describing. And doesn't sourceforge have this built-in? I agree that VA code is likely parked by the inertia of that massive organization. Anytime we start talking about modifying the code, we are talking about divergance. I think it may well be worth it, in the name of progress. Who can step forward and get this arranged? Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that it is time for the community to put a source-code-sharing mechanism in place for the use of all parties interested in VistA (as distinct from a small group of techies who EMail code snippets amongst themselves). When that job is accomplished, be assured that Medsphere will be ready to continue contributing to the promulgation and improvement of Open-source VistA software worldwide. Yours truly, --George Timson __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
