Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board
Check it out Warpmedia! SmartMon Corporate version for $20. No more nag screens. Merry Christmas! @:D Hi Stan: OK, you convinced me. Suzi gets in the office around 9:30 or so CST, and I am authorizing her to provide you the server GUI version for $20.00 Merry Christmas David Lethe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 20-Dec-05 3:11 AM To: SANtools, Inc. Sales Team Subject: SANtools WebSite Information Request Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 04:11:44 --- your_name: Stan Zaske company: N/A phone: fax: N/A address: city: Bartonville state: IL zip: 61607 select1: Type_Individual check1: smartmon dropdown1: Drop2 description1: Windows XP Home SP2 description2: I want the full featured/uncrippled version of SmartMon with support for more than 2 disks and email notification but I'm just a hobbiest not a Corporation with a server based network. Come on guys, why are you crippling the personal version? Have a heart, $40 is pretty steep for poor little old me. Happy Holidays! @:D
Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board
Right on Stan, way to work 'em! Now write us a nice review! =) Merry Yule to all... Stan Zaske wrote: Check it out Warpmedia! SmartMon Corporate version for $20. No more nag screens. Merry Christmas! @:D Hi Stan: OK, you convinced me. Suzi gets in the office around 9:30 or so CST, and I am authorizing her to provide you the server GUI version for $20.00 Merry Christmas David Lethe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 20-Dec-05 3:11 AM To: SANtools, Inc. Sales Team Subject: SANtools WebSite Information Request Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 04:11:44 --- your_name: Stan Zaske company: N/A phone: fax: N/A address: city: Bartonville state: IL zip: 61607 select1: Type_Individual check1: smartmon dropdown1: Drop2 description1: Windows XP Home SP2 description2: I want the full featured/uncrippled version of SmartMon with support for more than 2 disks and email notification but I'm just a hobbiest not a Corporation with a server based network. Come on guys, why are you crippling the personal version? Have a heart, $40 is pretty steep for poor little old me. Happy Holidays! @:D
Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board
Actually, I didn't *work* anyone. I was thinking that if they got some feedback from someone outside their demographics (AOL users and Corporations) they might rethink their sales strategy and provide a more functional version splitting the difference between the two prices. $30 is still steep but preferable to $40 and I really do want to have some kind of advanced warning if I should have another drive go bad on me. Now I can put as many drives as I want in my box and have email notification too! Why don't you download the trial version for yourself and see what you think. @:) warpmedia wrote: Right on Stan, way to work 'em! Now write us a nice review! =) Merry Yule to all... Stan Zaske wrote: Check it out Warpmedia! SmartMon Corporate version for $20. No more nag screens. Merry Christmas! @:D Hi Stan: OK, you convinced me. Suzi gets in the office around 9:30 or so CST, and I am authorizing her to provide you the server GUI version for $20.00 Merry Christmas David Lethe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 20-Dec-05 3:11 AM To: SANtools, Inc. Sales Team Subject: SANtools WebSite Information Request Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 04:11:44 --- your_name: Stan Zaske company: N/A phone: fax: N/A address: city: Bartonville state: IL zip: 61607 select1: Type_Individual check1: smartmon dropdown1: Drop2 description1: Windows XP Home SP2 description2: I want the full featured/uncrippled version of SmartMon with support for more than 2 disks and email notification but I'm just a hobbiest not a Corporation with a server based network. Come on guys, why are you crippling the personal version? Have a heart, $40 is pretty steep for poor little old me. Happy Holidays! @:D
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
At 08:22 PM 20/12/2005, Steve wrote: Their children will simply grow up ignorant then won't they ! If Darwin could prove just 1% of the natural world then it might be worth listening to . . . but why are Dogs no more intelligent than they were years ago, why are there still Monkeys, why have they not evolved like us ? Where did flowers come from ? How come there are still single cell organisms after all these milions of years ? Darwinism doesn't prove anything, all it does it suggest a possible solution to the questions man has been asking for years. All these questions simply show that you haven't thought Darwinism through completely. The idea that Darwinism requires continuous improvement based on what mankind thinks is better shows a total lack of understanding of his theory. Put simply: Lifeforms evolve to take advantage of niches where there is less competition for energy. Since there is zero value in dogs getting smarter, they don't. Since there are plenty of niches where being single celled is they best way to harvest energy (one could argue that single celled lifeforms are much better at harvesting energy than we multi-celled organisims) there are still lots of single celled lifeforms (more than any other kind in fact.) Darwin never said that evolution was working towards creating a bunch of intelligent, car driving, tv-watching, multi-cellular (both biologically and telephonically) creatures. In fact, it is reasonable to see intelligence as a dead end branch of the evolutionary bush, much like size was to the dinosaurs. T
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From da judge: Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. THE BREATHTAKING INANITY OF THE BOARD'S DECISION IS EVIDENT when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources. AMEN.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
I was going to make the same reply. warpmedia wrote: LOL! Pat Robertson wrote: Actually it is a scientific theory. People who use Cletus McRedstate pablum such as it's only a theory perhaps should go prove how weak and unfounded scientific theories are by testing the theory of gravity and go leap off a tall building.
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
If you're listing an email address on your site as a way to contact you, why not just make a form to email app and use that instead? I hate sites that have .jpg'd text. It invariably looks like ass. warpmedia wrote: Good tips links guys! Off to implement on my personal pages since I get 60+ pieces of spam a day on accounts listed on my personal websites since I revised them a few months back. Rob Finger wrote: What about saving the addresses and such as a .jpg ??? I know that would probably not be the best practice but there would be no text for the search engines to pick up. Just taking a wild guess at this as I know nothing about search engines. Rob
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well? Analyst wrote: From da judge: Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. THE BREATHTAKING INANITY OF THE BOARD'S DECISION IS EVIDENT when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources. AMEN.
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 08:23 AM 21/12/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: If you're listing an email address on your site as a way to contact you, why not just make a form to email app and use that instead? This is the best solution, I believe. No email address of any kind to be harvested. T
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 07:45 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: This is the best solution, I believe. No email address of any kind to be harvested. I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they can click on a link use their own email app. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
- Original Message - From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge All these questions simply show that you haven't thought Darwinism through completely. The idea that Darwinism requires continuous improvement Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Chuck
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 08:58 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: At 07:45 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: This is the best solution, I believe. No email address of any kind to be harvested. I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they can click on a link use their own email app. Easy to resolve. Simply set the applet to send an email to the filler outer as well as yourself. :) T
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
At 09:40 AM 21/12/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Ok, let's for a minute assume that the Creator did build the human body to last forever in perfect health. And let's assume that he prevents it from functioning that way for some reason. That doesn't make him benevolent. In fact, it makes him a really nasty bastard. I'd pass on worshipping that sort of diety. T
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 08:58 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they can click on a link use their own email app. At 08:16 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: Easy to resolve. Simply set the applet to send an email to the filler outer as well as yourself. :) I know it's easy to fix but most websites that use forms don't the end luser doesn't know diddly from ss. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
Wayne Johnson wrote: I know it's easy to fix but most websites that use forms don't the end luser doesn't know diddly from ss. Which means that most of them would not care if they did not get a copy for themselves.
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 09:31 AM 12/21/2005, Ben Ruset typed: Which means that most of them would not care if they did not get a copy for themselves. What? You mean the end user has some control over web authors. I think not. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
On 21 Dec 2005 at 7:25, Ben Ruset wrote: Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well? All EIGHT of them were voted out in the last election. The newly elected members have no intention to appeal the judge's ruling. Vince
RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
Just some food for thought: It is possible for someone to hijack a website site with false information e.g. sex.com. A worker at the registering site would try to reach the legitimate owner to verify the information. If the phone/contact address is false, he/she may be unable to reach the party and the website in concern may be transferred. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thane Sherrington (S) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:17 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses At 08:58 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: At 07:45 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: This is the best solution, I believe. No email address of any kind to be harvested. I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they can click on a link use their own email app. Easy to resolve. Simply set the applet to send an email to the filler outer as well as yourself. :) T
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 09:46 AM 12/21/2005, Ben Ruset typed: No. What I am saying is that the vast majority of people likely don't care that they would not get a copy of an email that was sent via a form. I know I wouldn't. With more support sites not posting an email addy for people to write to I think people will start caring. I know I want a copy of those forms so the supt person can't say the I said abc when in fact I said xyc. It's a matter of CYA. With most of the sites using forms for nonsensical bs then I wouldn't care either. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 11:15 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: With more support sites not posting an email addy for people to write to I think people will start caring. I know I want a copy of those forms so the supt person can't say the I said abc when in fact I said xyc. It's a matter of CYA. That's true, but how likely is that? And since by putting the email link in the html, they guarantee that email address will be flooded with spam, the chance of your message getting deleted or blocked goes up. The best system would be a form that sends you a copy of your form data. Several sites, such as Symantec, do this already. T
[H] Motherboard that won't power on
I've got a motherboard that was in originally for a bad video fan. I replaced the fan, put the video card back in, and now I get now power (not even a fan twitch) when I turn it on. The motherboard LEDs come on. I've pulled all devices (CPU and RAM included) and clear the CMOS (both by jumper and by pulling the battery. I've tried two PSes. Any thing I can try, or is this motherboard (as I suspect) toast? T
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:44:23 -0400 All these questions simply show that you haven't thought Darwinism through completely. The idea that Darwinism requires continuous improvement based on what mankind thinks is better shows a total lack of understanding of his theory. It's also important to understand that the scientific method is like the US constitution. It's a living, breathing set of foundations that allows us to challenge and refine theories or laws to get a better understanding of our universe. Religious dogma is absolute, it can not be corrected, and many have died when pointing out the blatent stupidity of said dogma. Those who suggest compromising the scientific method in wake of certain people's belief in delusional frameworks based ancient superstitions is an insult to all of mankind's progress as a result of science. Just sickening.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Why do all whales have useless hip bones? Not very intelligent in design I'd say.
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. All the people would go to Churches, Synagogues and Mosques all the time). And we would not have atheists or agnostics. 007 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Robertson Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:46 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Why do all whales have useless hip bones? Not very intelligent in design I'd say.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Pat Robertson wrote: It's also important to understand that the scientific method is like the US constitution. It's a living, breathing set of foundations that allows us to challenge and refine theories or laws to get a better understanding of our universe. Religious dogma is absolute, it can not be corrected, and many have died when pointing out the blatent stupidity of said dogma. Those who suggest compromising the scientific method in wake of certain people's belief in delusional frameworks based ancient superstitions is an insult to all of mankind's progress as a result of science. Just sickening. Didn't something like this happen in the last election?
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Pat Robertson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Why do all whales have useless hip bones? Not very intelligent in design I'd say. Ahperhaps you lack sufficient intelligence! :)
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote: The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. All the people would go to Churches, Synagogues and Mosques all the time). And we would not have atheists or agnostics. Assuming there is a god. T
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
How about everyone get a little intelligence and realize that you are NOT going to change anyone's opinion here? This is a hardware list. This whole post was just flamebait--and has been hashed out numerous times in the past to no avail. Personally, I don't think this decision had any place in a courtroom. If the community didn't want ID in their science classes, they should have changed the board. And they did. Democracy was served--so why do we need to involve the already overburdened (and serviously flawed) court system? Greg - Original Message - From: Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Pat Robertson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Why do all whales have useless hip bones? Not very intelligent in design I'd say. Ahperhaps you lack sufficient intelligence! :)
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thane Sherrington (S) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:38 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote: The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. All the people would go to Churches, Synagogues and Mosques all the time). And we would not have atheists or agnostics. Assuming there is a god. T
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
God Shamgod 2nd round pick by the Washington Wizards. It's his birth given name though. From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:44:22 -0500 I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thane Sherrington (S) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:38 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote: The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. All the people would go to Churches, Synagogues and Mosques all the time). And we would not have atheists or agnostics. Assuming there is a god. T
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
I am not sure if you can count this as an argument for GOD, but most porn stars especially the female ones, have been known to utter no other word except Oh my God in the money shot. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Robertson Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:02 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge God Shamgod 2nd round pick by the Washington Wizards. It's his birth given name though. From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:44:22 -0500 I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thane Sherrington (S) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:38 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge At 12:57 PM 21/12/2005, 007 wrote: The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. All the people would go to Churches, Synagogues and Mosques all the time). And we would not have atheists or agnostics. Assuming there is a god. T
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Naw, it was DOG. 007 wrote: I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse.
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
Unless you have access to server side scripting, that's not going to work. Which in the case of my personal Comcast pages I don't AFAIK. Javascript breaking it up reassembling it should be ok for now. Ben Ruset wrote: If you're listing an email address on your site as a way to contact you, why not just make a form to email app and use that instead? I hate sites that have .jpg'd text. It invariably looks like ass. warpmedia wrote: Good tips links guys! Off to implement on my personal pages since I get 60+ pieces of spam a day on accounts listed on my personal websites since I revised them a few months back. Rob Finger wrote: What about saving the addresses and such as a .jpg ??? I know that would probably not be the best practice but there would be no text for the search engines to pick up. Just taking a wild guess at this as I know nothing about search engines. Rob
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
- Original Message - From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge other word except Oh my God in the money shot. This is in humor, not to debate, but somebody did a super job in making us the sexual beings we are! Chuck
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Three instances of GOD that I can remember: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/politics/61673 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801 073.html And another one that happened about 10 years back. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of warpmedia Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:07 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Naw, it was DOG. 007 wrote: I thought that someone had recently changed their name to GOD in a courthouse.
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 10:28 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: That's true, but how likely is that? And since by putting the email link in the html, they guarantee that email address will be flooded with spam, the chance of your message getting deleted or blocked goes up. The best system would be a form that sends you a copy of your form data. Several sites, such as Symantec, do this already. My point is that peeps should have someplace to email not this form shit so why don't more sites use HEX or Images for addies instead of one way forms. If they would use 2 way forms then I wouldn't care. I guess I'm like a elephant as I've never forgotten the time that supt accused me of saying something that I didn't of course they all send back scripted shite. Even forms need to use cgi, java or something instead of incorporating the email addy in the html that the form is sent to so it's really no we're back to square one. Why don't they use the same cgi or java to hide email addresses ? I know why. It's because it's all about gathering data for anal-is-sis forms provide the easiest method for that. :-( --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
RE: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, 007 wrote: Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. It's the Goa'ould. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #428: Firmware update in the coffee machine
RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
I rarely disagree with your take on matters technical Wayne, but I do here. I have built and I currently maintain several dozen websites. Most of them pretty simple jobs using a CMS to reduce the amount of hand coding required. In every case I use NO email links at all. They all use forms for the primary means of contact. In the 10 or so contacts a day I get from those sites, I have had no complaints about using a form, and - this is the important bit - NO spam on the addresses those forms send to. Many of these sites have been up for 2-3 years. I've used all the hex and JS tricks to 'hide' email addresses. Some work better than others, but all of them ultimately fail and those addresses will attract spam sooner or later. The spambots are getting very sophisticated these days and these simple tricks are not fooling them. You may not ever learn to love it, but learn to put up with the form, for the moment it's here to stay... ;-) Neil Atwood - Sydney, Australia http://westserve.org - Blog, Christianity, Coffee and Tech Stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 8:09 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses At 10:28 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: That's true, but how likely is that? And since by putting the email link in the html, they guarantee that email address will be flooded with spam, the chance of your message getting deleted or blocked goes up. The best system would be a form that sends you a copy of your form data. Several sites, such as Symantec, do this already. My point is that peeps should have someplace to email not this form shit so why don't more sites use HEX or Images for addies instead of one way forms. If they would use 2 way forms then I wouldn't care. I guess I'm like a elephant as I've never forgotten the time that supt accused me of saying something that I didn't of course they all send back scripted shite. Even forms need to use cgi, java or something instead of incorporating the email addy in the html that the form is sent to so it's really no we're back to square one. Why don't they use the same cgi or java to hide email addresses ? I know why. It's because it's all about gathering data for anal-is-sis forms provide the easiest method for that. :-( --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
[H] ECC RAM
Is ECC RAM problematic even with motherboards that support it? I'm getting reports that Ultra ECC RAM (model ULT31428) - which looks like fancy RAM (it comes in a wood box) but I can't find a manufacturer - doesn't work in motherboards that claim ECC compatibility. T
RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
Are you telling me that the spam bots aren't smart enough to detect the supposedly hidden email address in the form but they are smart enough to decode hex? If that's the case then the bots are reading the rendered html not the real source so if one uses an image to click on to start a mailto: then a bot can't read that either ? So bots can not read the source html. Hmmm, I thought bots were smarter than that. Of course it depends on the bot. ;-) At 04:23 PM 12/21/2005, Neil Atwood typed: I rarely disagree with your take on matters technical Wayne, but I do here. Well have a Merry Christmas anyway. ;-) I have built and I currently maintain several dozen websites. Most of them pretty simple jobs using a CMS to reduce the amount of hand coding required. In every case I use NO email links at all. They all use forms for the primary means of contact. In the 10 or so contacts a day I get from those sites, I have had no complaints about using a form, and - this is the important bit - NO spam on the addresses those forms send to. Many of these sites have been up for 2-3 years. I've used all the hex and JS tricks to 'hide' email addresses. Some work better than others, but all of them ultimately fail and those addresses will attract spam sooner or later. The spambots are getting very sophisticated these days and these simple tricks are not fooling them. Then why do forms work? It's because of calling an external cgi or perl script but the simplest forms don't use these this is the same technology that can be used to hide email addresses in html. It's not that forms are more secure but that calling scripts is more secure from bots. I wager that as much spam comes from not paying to have ones domain hidden in whois. You may not ever learn to love it, but learn to put up with the form, for the moment it's here to stay... ;-) I'm afraid you're correct but I'll keep resisting anyway maybe it's because of the school of hard knocks that I do. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] ECC RAM
At 01:44 PM 12/21/2005, you wrote: Is ECC RAM problematic even with motherboards that support it? ECC, we are not talking Registered is not at all problematic. At least I have never had any kind of problem, what so ever, with Crucial ECC. ECC will work in any memory slot. If it is not supported, or is installed with non ECC memory, then it will simply default to the lower specification. I'm getting reports that Ultra ECC RAM (model ULT31428) - which looks like fancy RAM (it comes in a wood box) but I can't find a manufacturer - doesn't work in motherboards that claim ECC compatibility. Wood that is about as low tech as you can get. I never understood wood cabinets on TVs, or wood dash on a car. You wouldn't want a wood dash on your plane would you? Besides, by the time they build up enough high tech polymer plastic coating over 1/32 inch veneer, it doesn't look real anyway!
Re: [H]Nforce 3 Board
The 250 gig drive is out of warranty. Probably serves me right for buying it at BestBuy, probably on the shelf for 6 months.I think we can expect worse from Maxtor now since Seagate's buying them. Nobody will be working very hard or diligently until they find out if they still have a job. SteveOn 12/21/05, Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:40 AM 20/12/2005, Steve Tomporowski wrote:On my small setup, I've had four HD die on me--one WD and 3 Maxtors.I'mbeginning to wonder about Maxtor.Don't wonder about Maxtor.Believe it.I've seen at least 30 Maxtors fail since September.There were two dead Fujitsus, and three Quantums duringthat time, and no WDs.I am recommending everyone avoid Maxtor rightnow.(Of course, this is based on one to three year old Maxtors, so it is possible that they have fixed the problem, but I'll let someone else testthem.)T
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
No, worse, it's the Ori trying to get us to follow Origin. Blessed are the Ori! Christopher Fisk wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, 007 wrote: Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. It's the Goa'ould. Christopher Fisk
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
I think the JPG solution is to DISPLAY the email, and yes that works but also requires the user to read the image type the email addy by hand. ANYTHING that looks like email in the source HTML is going to get scraped. Breaking it up into chunks/hex/whatever with JS is a great idea as long as the bot is not capable of rendering the JS for the cooked version or figuring out the pieces. Server side scripting that does not expose the email at all to the client is the only way to prevent scraping IMO. Wayne Johnson wrote: Are you telling me that the spam bots aren't smart enough to detect the supposedly hidden email address in the form but they are smart enough to decode hex? If that's the case then the bots are reading the rendered html not the real source so if one uses an image to click on to start a mailto: then a bot can't read that either ? So bots can not read the source html. Hmmm, I thought bots were smarter than that. Of course it depends on the bot. ;-)
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Ok, let's for a minute assume that the Creator did build the human body to last forever in perfect health. And let's assume that he prevents it from functioning that way for some reason. That doesn't make him benevolent. In fact, it makes him a really nasty bastard. I'd pass on worshipping that sort of diety. Read the story of Adam and Eve in the garden. It's called having free will, and making the wrong choice. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] Motherboard that won't power on
At 11:11 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed: I've got a motherboard that was in originally for a bad video fan. I replaced the fan, put the video card back in, and now I get now power (not even a fan twitch) when I turn it on. The motherboard LEDs come on. I've pulled all devices (CPU and RAM included) and clear the CMOS (both by jumper and by pulling the battery. I've tried two PSes. Any thing I can try, or is this motherboard (as I suspect) toast? Did you try another video card ? --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. So far, scientists have been unable to duplicate the event that supposedly caused the first living organism on earth to come into being. Real science is provable with experiments that are readily reproducable. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
You may not ever learn to love it, but learn to put up with the form, for the moment it's here to stay... ;-) There's nothing wrong with having a form on a website, but, as a common courtesy the person filling out the form should be emailed a copy. If nothing else, it validates the submitted email address. Gary VanderMolen
RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
-Original Message- From: Wayne Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses Are you telling me that the spam bots aren't smart enough to detect the supposedly hidden email address in the form but they are smart enough to decode hex? If that's the case then the bots are reading the rendered html not the real source so if one uses an image to click on to start a mailto: then a bot can't read that either ? So bots can not read the source html. Hmmm, I thought bots were smarter than that. Of course it depends on the bot. ;-) There is no 'hidden' email address in the form (as such). It's encoded by server-side scripting, so the answer is no, the spambots have nothing to harvest. Using an image is counterproductive because the user has to type the address in by hand. At 04:23 PM 12/21/2005, Neil Atwood typed: I rarely disagree with your take on matters technical Wayne, but I do here. Well have a Merry Christmas anyway. ;-) I will thanks! ;-) I have built and I currently maintain several dozen websites. Most of them pretty simple jobs using a CMS to reduce the amount of hand coding required. In every case I use NO email links at all. They all use forms for the primary means of contact. In the 10 or so contacts a day I get from those sites, I have had no complaints about using a form, and - this is the important bit - NO spam on the addresses those forms send to. Many of these sites have been up for 2-3 years. I've used all the hex and JS tricks to 'hide' email addresses. Some work better than others, but all of them ultimately fail and those addresses will attract spam sooner or later. The spambots are getting very sophisticated these days and these simple tricks are not fooling them. Then why do forms work? It's because of calling an external cgi or perl script but the simplest forms don't use these this is the same technology that can be used to hide email addresses in html. It's not that forms are more secure but that calling scripts is more secure from bots. I wager that as much spam comes from not paying to have ones domain hidden in whois. I don't claim to understand all the technicalities involved, but the CMS I use on almost all my sites these days is written in PHP, and I understand there is a routine that encrypts the address very effectively. Well, I know it's effective, because I get no spam on those accounts! And yes, I have a copy sent to the person sending too... You may not ever learn to love it, but learn to put up with the form, for the moment it's here to stay... ;-) I'm afraid you're correct but I'll keep resisting anyway maybe it's because of the school of hard knocks that I do. ;-) Neil Atwood - Sydney, Australia http://westserve.org - Blog, Christianity, Coffee and Tech Stuff.
[H] WinUpdate?
Has Windows 2000 Server been dropped from WinUpdate? I've been trying to check for updates all day. All I get from either the Express button or the Custom button is an error window with error number 0x80072EE2. SW is legit. The last updates I did were on 12-07-05. Suggestions (other than upgrade to Server 2K3 or Linux)? Thanks, Duncan This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
At 11:45 PM 12/21/2005, Neil Atwood typed: There is no 'hidden' email address in the form (as such). The simplest forms use something like this FORM action=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] method=post instead of scripting and these are equally harvestable It's encoded by server-side scripting, so the answer is no, the spambots have nothing to harvest. That's the way it should be to prevent harvesting FORM action=http://www.wavijo.com/cgi/somescript.cgi; method=post but people that have sites that don't support scripting such as GeoCities have no choice other than to get another webhosting service. As you probably know any Input can equal Hidden, Text, Password, Checkbox, Radio, Submit, Reset, File or Image such as INPUT TYPE=hidden NAME=recipient VALUE=[EMAIL PROTECTED] INPUT TYPE=hidden NAME=subject VALUE=Feedback on your HTML Reference I'm not arguing that forms used with scripting aren't secure or not but rather just pointing out that the simplest form action like I have at the top should be avoided at all costs as it's no better than using mailto: elsewhere in the html. Here is a website devoted to revealing the problems with using action=mailto:; http://www.isolani.co.uk/articles/mailto.html --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Perhaps, the Universe *is* an intelligently designed construct or mechanism! But in the same token, it was clearly setup to be self-maintaining and evolving. Life isn't the only thing in the cosmos to evolve. Stars also evolve, in that the 1st generation suns (the 1st ones that formed after the Big Bang) were pure hydrogen that produce helium waste during the process of fusion. When a 1st generation star goes nova, the resulting heat and pressure create higher elements on the periodic table that can't be produced in any other manner. Eventually this material will coalesce forming new suns that periodically go nova and create even higher elements on the periodic table. The latest research states that Iron is probably the highest element that will fuse as fuel for solar activity. The Universe is ~18 billion years old and therefore the matter that you and I are made of is from star material that has been through this crucible of fire multiple times. That's evolution plain and simple! Darwin didn't dream up his theory he observed it as a natural fact! It's as plain as the nose on my face! Merry Christmas to all the Luddites! And have a Happy denial of reality New Year! @:D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge All these questions simply show that you haven't thought Darwinism through completely. The idea that Darwinism requires continuous improvement Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Chuck
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Hallelujah, praise God for that! @:) Analyst wrote: On 21 Dec 2005 at 7:25, Ben Ruset wrote: Didn't most of the school board get voted out of office there as well? All EIGHT of them were voted out in the last election. The newly elected members have no intention to appeal the judge's ruling. Vince
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
FWIW, that's an excellent example of the evolutionary process proving that Whales were once land dwellers and mammals like ourselves. Uh, just so you know Pat I called Pat Robertson an Ape the other day. I hope you won't take offense. @:D Pat Robertson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Why do all whales have useless hip bones? Not very intelligent in design I'd say.
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Number one Greg, people like to talk about this stuff because it is fundamental to our understanding of human origins. Second of all, you don't know what you're talking about by calling it flame bait just because someone reports a current event in the news. And third, the list rule is that OT conversations are allowed up to a point. If you don't want to discuss the matter then ignore it. Please don't try to spoil it for the rest of us. Ok? Greg Sevart wrote: How about everyone get a little intelligence and realize that you are NOT going to change anyone's opinion here? This is a hardware list. This whole post was just flamebait--and has been hashed out numerous times in the past to no avail. Personally, I don't think this decision had any place in a courtroom. If the community didn't want ID in their science classes, they should have changed the board. And they did. Democracy was served--so why do we need to involve the already overburdened (and serviously flawed) court system? Greg - Original Message - From: Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Pat Robertson wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:40:23 -0500 Instead of blaming the Creator in intelligent design for sickness and death, why not hope for the day he fixes the hindrance to the human body remaining well and regenerating thus not wearing out and dying, as we know it has the basic design to do? But then there are those who do not believe it required intelligent design to build something as complex as the universe and the human body. Why do all whales have useless hip bones? Not very intelligent in design I'd say. Ahperhaps you lack sufficient intelligence! :)
RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses
No argument Wayne - those simple forms code examples are bad news. Happy Christmas to you. ;-) Neil Atwood - Sydney, Australia http://westserve.org - Blog, Christianity, Coffee and Tech Stuff. -Original Message- From: Wayne Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses At 11:45 PM 12/21/2005, Neil Atwood typed: There is no 'hidden' email address in the form (as such). The simplest forms use something like this FORM action=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] method=post instead of scripting and these are equally harvestable It's encoded by server-side scripting, so the answer is no, the spambots have nothing to harvest. That's the way it should be to prevent harvesting FORM action=http://www.wavijo.com/cgi/somescript.cgi; method=post but people that have sites that don't support scripting such as GeoCities have no choice other than to get another webhosting service. As you probably know any Input can equal Hidden, Text, Password, Checkbox, Radio, Submit, Reset, File or Image such as INPUT TYPE=hidden NAME=recipient VALUE=[EMAIL PROTECTED] INPUT TYPE=hidden NAME=subject VALUE=Feedback on your HTML Reference I'm not arguing that forms used with scripting aren't secure or not but rather just pointing out that the simplest form action like I have at the top should be avoided at all costs as it's no better than using mailto: elsewhere in the html. Here is a website devoted to revealing the problems with using action=mailto:; http://www.isolani.co.uk/articles/mailto.html --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
Allow me to interject a little intelligence into this line of thought. I've read the Bible and thought about what it states rather than just accept a preacher man's interpretation. Since God is all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing and designed us he is fully aware of who/what we are and what any of us will do in any given situation! God placed the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (apples you know) in the garden and then made sure that Adam and Eve knew about it. He knew that Satan would go to the garden and tempt Eve. He knew that Satan could charm the chrome off a steel bumper and that Eve would easily succumb. He knew that Eve could talk Adam into anything simply because the little head is more powerful than the big head. Clear so far? So Eve was first to eat the Apple but Adam got blamed for original sin and finally when God kicked them both out of the Garden of Eden he placed 2 flaming swords around the Tree of Life (a different tree than the one mentioned above) so nobody could sneak back and eat the fruit to become immortal (not that they didn't live 8 or 9 hundred years @ the time). But wait, this sounds like a fairy tale and not be the work of an intelligence so far above our own that it could create something as vast and complex as the entire Universe! Seems pretty clear to me no god I can believe in could act like a simpleton the way Genesis portrays him/her/it (since God came from outside this Universe and clearly can't be human why did he tell his prophets that he's male? God doesn't lie does he?). Finally, I would like to say to all my Christian brothers and sisters that lest you say the Bible was written by his prophets who are fallible men I say that God is smart and powerful enough to straighten it out so we read it the way he intended! Surely an all-powerful God would not allow a corrupted version of his word to pollute the minds of all mankind the past several millenia? Read it and see for yourself if you think it represents the works of an ultimate being. To me it's more along the lines of a twelve year olds idea of the supreme being! @:D Gary VanderMolen wrote: Ok, let's for a minute assume that the Creator did build the human body to last forever in perfect health. And let's assume that he prevents it from functioning that way for some reason. That doesn't make him benevolent. In fact, it makes him a really nasty bastard. I'd pass on worshipping that sort of diety. Read the story of Adam and Eve in the garden. It's called having free will, and making the wrong choice. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge
And the Human Race has had scientific reason for how long now? Imagine what they will figure out in the next 2000 years. The apostle Paul (the former Saul of Tarsus) said that the end is near referring to the second coming of Jesus and I haven't been raptured yet. He didn't lie to us did he? That's what it says! @:D Gary VanderMolen wrote: Unfortunately, neither the Intelligent design people or the evolution thumpers have it right. The real answer is somewhere in the middle. It is like a well kept secret like the formula for Coke. If we could scientifically prove the origin of human beings, then most religions (believing in the unseen) would not be necessary. So far, scientists have been unable to duplicate the event that supposedly caused the first living organism on earth to come into being. Real science is provable with experiments that are readily reproducable. Gary VanderMolen
