Re: [H] DVD Formats
Yes, it can be done after the fact. You can close the disc with a DVD burning program (Nero) and a DVDR drive, or your set-top box probably has some option to do it. Greg - Original Message - From: Steve Tomporowski To: The Hardware List Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [H] DVD Formats Hmm, is there a way to either read an unclosed disk or close it after the fact? Steve On 3/4/06, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: disk not closed most likely, my mom had the same problem with a go video unit. At 05:58 PM 3/4/2006, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with: My guess would be that it is either using packet writing (unlikely), or the disc isn't closed. - Original Message - From: Steve Tomporowski To: The Hardware List Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: [H] DVD Formats I'm just starting to look into this, but maybe someone here knows the answer already. I have a set-top DVD Burner, a Samsung DVD-R120. Got it for only 80 bucks and used it hooked up to a VCR to copy over tapes. Does a pretty good job. However, I recently slapped it into my computer (actually both computers) and neither sees the disk at all. Doesn't play and won't show up any file listing (MCE just hangs). Do set-top DVD recorders use some sort of different format? I'm using the same disks for all my DVD burners (-R). ThanksSteve -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- If you NEED to count your money, you're not really rich.
[H] Failure Cars Standard with Wings was....
What I got out of this long ass thread was the biodiesel and the TDI. Wife needs a better ride. I just recently discovered that Delaware will cover 50% of the cost of a solar roof which they make "solar shingles" and a new roof would be nice. Did I mention that my power co is going to raise rates 60% this summer? Oh, the standard of living in the USA is driving the world up. China is coming alive thanks to the US. We ignited Japan, Germany after the war and it has been going since. We empower people and countries. If I buy 3 MP3 players and 2 cars, many TVs, white toilet paper, etc I am pumping $$ in to many jobs across the globe. Nothing to feel bad about that.
RE: [H] Antivirus
I never said its not different I just said it sucks -Original Message- From: "Hayes Elkins"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 3/4/06 8:17:07 AM To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus Then you would realize by now that v10's scan engine is completely different! >From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Hardware List >To: >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:00:00 -0800 > >We use the most up to date av products > >-Original Message- >From: "Hayes Elkins"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: 3/3/06 9:04:12 PM >To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > >v10.0.2? (there is a significant difference in 10 vs the past versions) > > > >From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Hardware List > >To: "The Hardware List" > >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:39:00 -0800 > > > >Yes it's the corporate edition > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins > >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:28 PM > >To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > > > >Are you specifically testing SAVCE, not Norton AV, but the latest SAVCE > >client v10.0.2? > > > > > > >From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: The Hardware List > > >To: "The Hardware List" > > >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > > >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:59:55 -0800 > > > > > >Well I see malware daily as part of my job and I see the results of AV > > >vendors against those pieces of malware and Symantec is terrible from > > >what I have seen. And what I have seen is definitely things in the wild > > >regardless if its on the wild list or not. > > > > > >And like I said earlier scanning a system for malware and seeing which > > >vendors catch what is not a very accurate test because you actually > > >don't know what is on the system and how many pieces of malware are > > >there. So the fact that some other scanner caught 10 and then Symantec > > >comes and finds 2 is not good because you don't know if both scanners > > >are missing 100 pieces of malware. You only know what the scanners are > > >reporting to you and there has even been a controversy in that because > > >some scanners report false positives on purpose so that their scanning > > >can seem more accurate. But that happens more with the anti spyware > > >scanners. > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart > > >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:10 PM > > >To: The Hardware List > > >Subject: Re: [H] Antivirus > > > > > >Have you used it? It has caught malware on my machines that many of the > > >other popular anti-spyware tools missed... > > > > > >That test link someone provided also shows it does a nice job at > > >anti-malware. > > > > > >So, care to qualify your statement? > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:02 PM > > >Subject: Re: [H] Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > Where did you hear that because its definitely not the case > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: "Greg Sevart"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: 3/3/06 10:16:07 AM > > > > To: "The Hardware List" > > > > Subject: Re: [H] Antivirus > > > > > > > > I can confirm. > > > > SAV-CE is a completely different codebase from the crap consumer > >grade > > > > > > > stuff > > > > that is Norton branded. > > > > 10.0.2 is taking 33MB of memory on thix box (I have 2GB), which I > > >don't > > > > consider very bad. > > > > > > > > I still argue it is among (if not the) best AV scanner available--it > > >just > > > > isn't available to the average consumer. Most people (for good > >reason) > > > > > > > hate > > > > the Norton consumer stuff, and assume that the corporate stuff is > > > > related...but nothing could be further from the truth. > > > > > > > > Interestingly, I've heard that SAV-CE10 also is the most effective > > >malware > > > > scanner out there--but it runs slower than anything else at this > >task. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Hayes Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:18 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > >> The latest Symantec AntiVirus corporate edition client > >(10.0.2.2020) > > > >> takes > > > >> about 30MB of memory footprint these days. It does however do a > >much > > > >> better job than the retail home user version (norton), however it > > >will > > > >> get > > > >> more false positives. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>From: Jin-Wei Tioh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>>Reply-To: The Hardware List > > > >>>To: The Hardware List > > > >>>Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > > > >>>Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:54:49 -0600 > > > >>> > > > >>>At 02:28 PM 3/2/2006, you wrote: > > > Norton is definitely not even close to kaspersky in
Re: [H] DVD Formats
Hmm, is there a way to either read an unclosed disk or close it after the fact?SteveOn 3/4/06, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:disk not closed most likely, my mom had the same problem with a go video unit. At 05:58 PM 3/4/2006, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with:>My guess would be that it is either using packet writing (unlikely), or the disc isn't closed.>>>- Original Message - From: Steve Tomporowski >To: The Hardware List>Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:53 PM>Subject: [H] DVD Formats>>>I'm just starting to look into this, but maybe someone here knows the answer already. I have a set-top DVD Burner, a Samsung DVD-R120. Got it for only 80 bucks and used it hooked up to a VCR to copy over tapes. Does a pretty good job. However, I recently slapped it into my computer (actually both computers) and neither sees the disk at all. Doesn't play and won't show up any file listing (MCE just hangs). Do set-top DVD recorders use some sort of different format? I'm using the same disks for all my DVD burners (-R). >>ThanksSteve--Tallyho ! ]:8)Taglines below !--If you NEED to count your money, you're not really rich.
Re: [H] DVD Formats
disk not closed most likely, my mom had the same problem with a go video unit. At 05:58 PM 3/4/2006, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with: >My guess would be that it is either using packet writing (unlikely), or the >disc isn't closed. > > >- Original Message - From: Steve Tomporowski >To: The Hardware List >Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:53 PM >Subject: [H] DVD Formats > > >I'm just starting to look into this, but maybe someone here knows the answer >already. I have a set-top DVD Burner, a Samsung DVD-R120. Got it for only 80 >bucks and used it hooked up to a VCR to copy over tapes. Does a pretty good >job. However, I recently slapped it into my computer (actually both >computers) and neither sees the disk at all. Doesn't play and won't show up >any file listing (MCE just hangs). Do set-top DVD recorders use some sort of >different format? I'm using the same disks for all my DVD burners (-R). > >ThanksSteve -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- If you NEED to count your money, you're not really rich.
Re: [H] DVD Formats
My guess would be that it is either using packet writing (unlikely), or the disc isn't closed. - Original Message - From: Steve Tomporowski To: The Hardware List Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: [H] DVD Formats I'm just starting to look into this, but maybe someone here knows the answer already. I have a set-top DVD Burner, a Samsung DVD-R120. Got it for only 80 bucks and used it hooked up to a VCR to copy over tapes. Does a pretty good job. However, I recently slapped it into my computer (actually both computers) and neither sees the disk at all. Doesn't play and won't show up any file listing (MCE just hangs). Do set-top DVD recorders use some sort of different format? I'm using the same disks for all my DVD burners (-R). ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Nero 6 and CD text
Duh, I finally found out my problem with CD text.I was looking at the wrong apps to read it. Winamp, even to the latest, doesn't read CD text and neither does Windows Media Player. Say, anyone know of a media player that does read CD text? ThanksSteveOn 2/20/06, Neil Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, works for me using a Plextor writer and playing the disk on my Sonyhead unit in the car.Just had a thought. When you add the tracks to Nero, bring up the propertiesand make sure it has track info in there too. It usually guesses from the file name, but can be quite bad at it.You need to have a burner that will burn the CD-Text information *and* areader that will read it *and* software that will tell the reader to extractthe information. I have no idea if winamp does this. Nero InfoTool should tell you if yourreader and writer will handle CD-Text.Many commercial CDs also have CD text, I know the Prodigy's new best ofalbum has. If you can get a hold of a copy you could use that to test your software and reader.> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Winterlight> Sent: 20 February 2006 21:24> To: The Hardware List> Subject: Re: [H] Nero 6 and CD text>> I tried to do the same thing. >> There is a a place in Nero Burn Now Icon>>> Burn> Compilation _Audio CD> TAB>> check box Write CD text on CD.. but that doesn't seem to do> anything because when I play it back with Winamp there is no > Title / Artist.>> I never did figure it out why, or find any kind of> official explanation,> and I can never get < help> file to work with Nero.>> m>> > At 11:36 AM 2/20/2006, you wrote:> >How do I get Nero to write CD text to an audio CD? I am> trying to put> >together a compilation and I'd like my player to pick up> >artist/title. What do I need to do in Nero Buring ROM > version 6? Is> >there a list where I can find out if my CD/DVD burner> supports CD text?> >> >You'd think I'd be able to search for this stuff, but found> squat. Plus > >KI's internet access sucks:-(> >> >ThanksSteve>
[H] DVD Formats
I'm just starting to look into this, but maybe someone here knows the answer already. I have a set-top DVD Burner, a Samsung DVD-R120. Got it for only 80 bucks and used it hooked up to a VCR to copy over tapes. Does a pretty good job. However, I recently slapped it into my computer (actually both computers) and neither sees the disk at all. Doesn't play and won't show up any file listing (MCE just hangs). Do set-top DVD recorders use some sort of different format? I'm using the same disks for all my DVD burners (-R). ThanksSteve
RE: [H] google search for "failure"
Well in Phoenix it is a black hole for a battery's failure. Mark Dodge MD Computers 360-772-2433 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:31 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] google search for "failure" that would be great, guess I need to do some homework on this it is just because they do not seem to be able to build a decent battery anymore ( outside of Optima ) that will last. fp
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
From: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure" Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 11:30:58 -0700 no proof, a volcanic eruption can do more damage in a day then cars in 1000 years, besides, the earth is pretty good at using it's left hand. need to get off save the planet, the planet is just fine and will always be just fine, until the next mass extinction. Really? While I don't think mankind can blow up the earth like a death star in one fell swoop, it is quite a spectacularly stupid statement to insinuate that humans (and humans alone) can not affect the environment. Maybe not on a global scale, but lets take Mexico City for example - the air in that area bears the uncanny resemblance to a cancer-stricken large intestine. Does Mother Nature just have a beef with Mexico and farts on her capital constantly? Or could it just possibly be, and this is a HUGE STRETCH, that the rampant pollution from industry is taking its toll on the city?
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But you're right. I didn't answer the question. I use a back pack and two > hand held canvas bags. I hardly ever fill them all. P.S. The first thing to go should be the bag on demand. It should be outlawed. Vender will be more than willing to sell you a reusable bag for your convenience, if you forget to bring one with you. Just like the pop top was outlawed. You don't see any more pop tops on the ground . JMHO, Al
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he pushes the cart home Another gem. I wouldn't need to attack you. You fall down all by yourself. :) But you're right. I didn't answer the question. I use a back pack and two hand held canvas bags. I hardly ever fill them all. Wishing the best for you and your's, Al "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
RE: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
he pushes the cart home At 11:46 AM 3/4/2006, Christopher Klein Poked the stick with: >How do you walk back with all of those groceries? I go grocery shopping >once a week and fill up the back of my car. I guess if you're going daily >you don't have to buy that much at once. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al >Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:36 PM >To: The Hardware List >Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search >for"failure" > > >Thx Greg. > >Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I >drive when the weather is inclement. > >A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's >good for the planet. > >That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. >The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't >good for people or planets. Only corporations. > >Al > > >"Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people >> >> as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. >> > >> > Thx for the sage words. >> > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal >> > with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I >apologize. >> > >> > >> > Al >> >> You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you >> feel the same. >> >> Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from >> some of the debates in the past. :) >> >> Greg >> >> > > >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Friend: Anyone who has the same enemies you have.
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
"Christopher Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you walk back with all of those groceries? I go grocery shopping > once a week and fill up the back of my car. I guess if you're going daily > you don't have to buy that much at once. Yes. It means I eat the freshest food. Because I shop almost daily (5 out of 7, or so...), I know what just came in. I get to know the butcher, baker, candlestick maker; because I see them regularly. It's a nice way to shop, kinda old world. Turn off the TV. Talk to your butcher :) Al > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:36 PM > To: The Hardware List > Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search > for"failure" > > > Thx Greg. > > Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I > drive when the weather is inclement. > > A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's > good for the planet. > > That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. > The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't > good for people or planets. Only corporations. > > Al > > > "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people > > >> as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. > > > > > > Thx for the sage words. > > > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal > > > with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I > apologize. > > > > > > > > > Al > > > > You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you > > feel the same. > > > > Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from > > some of the debates in the past. :) > > > > Greg > > > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
RE: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
How do you walk back with all of those groceries? I go grocery shopping once a week and fill up the back of my car. I guess if you're going daily you don't have to buy that much at once. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:36 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure" Thx Greg. Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I drive when the weather is inclement. A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's good for the planet. That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't good for people or planets. Only corporations. Al "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people > >> as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. > > > > Thx for the sage words. > > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal > > with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I apologize. > > > > > > Al > > You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you > feel the same. > > Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from > some of the debates in the past. :) > > Greg > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no proof, a volcanic eruption can do more damage in a day then cars in 1000 > years, besides, the earth is pretty good at using it's left hand. > need to get off save the planet, the planet is just fine and will always be > just fine, until the next mass extinction. > the earth is not overpopulated, google earth proofs that. besides mother > nature does a good job of wiping out the excess when need be. > > fp I offer one example. One can not eat the fresh water fish in south Florida; because of mercury poisoning. There are none so blind as those who will not see. We have no right to poison the waters. Period. Best,Al
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
Thx Greg. Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I drive when the weather is inclement. A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's good for the planet. That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't good for people or planets. Only corporations. Al "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as > >> when > >> I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. > > > > Thx for the sage words. > > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal with my > > fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I apologize. > > > > > > Al > > You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you feel the > same. > > Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from some > of the debates in the past. :) > > Greg > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
no proof, a volcanic eruption can do more damage in a day then cars in 1000 years, besides, the earth is pretty good at using it's left hand. need to get off save the planet, the planet is just fine and will always be just fine, until the next mass extinction. the earth is not overpopulated, google earth proofs that. besides mother nature does a good job of wiping out the excess when need be. fp At 09:39 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with: >There is no cost >added to your need to drive a big fat V8 for the damage it does to the >planet. No matter how good it is, it pollutes more than smaller ones and >should be priced accordingly. No motor vehicle on the road is so priced. >No appliance, or any other "consumable" has the true planet view cost >reflected in it's price. > >The debt will be paid by someone, and it's immoral to shove it off on the >future. That's the fact an already overcrowded planet needs to wake up >to and fast. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Where did we all come from in the first place?
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. Thx for the sage words. I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I apologize. Al You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you feel the same. Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from some of the debates in the past. :) Greg
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as when > I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. Thx for the sage words. I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didnt I apologize. Al Opera op·er·a; noun. Greek word for death by music.
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 09:39:37AM -0700, Al wrote: > > "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle > > that I won't like? > > No, of course not. More later. > > > That's asinine. I may have "pie in the sky" requirements > > before alternative energy cars are appealing to me, yes, but you have "pie > > in the sky" requirements about life itself. > -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
Ya'know, I would like to respond to this. :) FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so maybe we should wipe our ass with our left hand. I not sure how to interpret this. Is it a slam in Islam? Because they use one hand for eating and one for wiping. Is it a political statement? Like I'm a commie because I care (coincidentally like left wingers)about the planet? Sorry, your message went over my head, I guess. > > get a life, I am doing just fine, thx. I make beautiful things with my hands and I hope and care for a better tomorrow with my mind. Thx for asking. > things evolve. Here again, I'm not sure what you're saying. I hope it means there's hope for the future. Best regards, Al "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
"Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle > that I won't like? No, of course not. More later. > That's asinine. I may have "pie in the sky" requirements > before alternative energy cars are appealing to me, yes, but you have "pie > in the sky" requirements about life itself. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear. You should drive what you want, but the true cost of driving it should be carried by you. There is no cost added to your need to drive a big fat V8 for the damage it does to the planet. No matter how good it is, it pollutes more than smaller ones and should be priced accordingly. No motor vehicle on the road is so priced. No appliance, or any other "consumable" has the true planet view cost reflected in it's price. The debt will be paid by someone, and it's immoral to shove it off on the future. That's the fact an already overcrowded planet needs to wake up to and fast. As for my pie in the sky requirements, is wanting non bleached paper on the shelf next to the higher priced (to reflect the true environment cost) bleached paper so out of line? Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, I was torn by apologizing for singling you out on that side of the divide, but I decided to apologize would then really single you out. :( Regards, Al "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
RE: [H] Antivirus
Then you would realize by now that v10's scan engine is completely different! From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:00:00 -0800 We use the most up to date av products -Original Message- From: "Hayes Elkins"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 3/3/06 9:04:12 PM To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus v10.0.2? (there is a significant difference in 10 vs the past versions) >From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Hardware List >To: "The Hardware List" >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:39:00 -0800 > >Yes it's the corporate edition > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:28 PM >To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > >Are you specifically testing SAVCE, not Norton AV, but the latest SAVCE >client v10.0.2? > > > >From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Hardware List > >To: "The Hardware List" > >Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:59:55 -0800 > > > >Well I see malware daily as part of my job and I see the results of AV > >vendors against those pieces of malware and Symantec is terrible from > >what I have seen. And what I have seen is definitely things in the wild > >regardless if its on the wild list or not. > > > >And like I said earlier scanning a system for malware and seeing which > >vendors catch what is not a very accurate test because you actually > >don't know what is on the system and how many pieces of malware are > >there. So the fact that some other scanner caught 10 and then Symantec > >comes and finds 2 is not good because you don't know if both scanners > >are missing 100 pieces of malware. You only know what the scanners are > >reporting to you and there has even been a controversy in that because > >some scanners report false positives on purpose so that their scanning > >can seem more accurate. But that happens more with the anti spyware > >scanners. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart > >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:10 PM > >To: The Hardware List > >Subject: Re: [H] Antivirus > > > >Have you used it? It has caught malware on my machines that many of the > >other popular anti-spyware tools missed... > > > >That test link someone provided also shows it does a nice job at > >anti-malware. > > > >So, care to qualify your statement? > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:02 PM > >Subject: Re: [H] Antivirus > > > > > > > Where did you hear that because its definitely not the case > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: "Greg Sevart"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: 3/3/06 10:16:07 AM > > > To: "The Hardware List" > > > Subject: Re: [H] Antivirus > > > > > > I can confirm. > > > SAV-CE is a completely different codebase from the crap consumer >grade > > > > > stuff > > > that is Norton branded. > > > 10.0.2 is taking 33MB of memory on thix box (I have 2GB), which I > >don't > > > consider very bad. > > > > > > I still argue it is among (if not the) best AV scanner available--it > >just > > > isn't available to the average consumer. Most people (for good >reason) > > > > > hate > > > the Norton consumer stuff, and assume that the corporate stuff is > > > related...but nothing could be further from the truth. > > > > > > Interestingly, I've heard that SAV-CE10 also is the most effective > >malware > > > scanner out there--but it runs slower than anything else at this >task. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Hayes Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:18 AM > > > Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > > > > > > > > >> The latest Symantec AntiVirus corporate edition client >(10.0.2.2020) > > >> takes > > >> about 30MB of memory footprint these days. It does however do a >much > > >> better job than the retail home user version (norton), however it > >will > > >> get > > >> more false positives. > > >> > > >> > > >>>From: Jin-Wei Tioh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>Reply-To: The Hardware List > > >>>To: The Hardware List > > >>>Subject: RE: [H] Antivirus > > >>>Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:54:49 -0600 > > >>> > > >>>At 02:28 PM 3/2/2006, you wrote: > > Norton is definitely not even close to kaspersky in detection > >accuracy. > > >>> > > >>>Not to mention that it seems to be more resource heavy. Always >hated > > >>>the startup time degradations with Norton. Much improved after I > > >>>switched to Kaspersky. > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>>JW > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
FROM: "But I'm not about to feel guilty for buying and driving a vehicle I like and can afford." Paraphrase: Of the things to consider, the environment is not a factor. I have the bucks and I want it. After all, it's all about me. "Until then (the pie in the shy perfect electric car), I'm going to buy vehicles with big fat V8's." I have a justification for my excess, because there is no alternative I like. Because it's all about me, remember? I don't feel guilty. Not one bit. With regards to the environment, I'm in the process of buying a new car with a bit fat V8 that meets ULEV/ULEV-II emissions standards. It emits less pollution than small displacement four or six cylinder motors of just a few years ago. That's more than good enough to let me sleep at night. Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle that I won't like? That's asinine. I may have "pie in the sky" requirements before alternative energy cars are appealing to me, yes, but you have "pie in the sky" requirements about life itself. I'm a big advocate for non-fossil-fuel sourced energy. I wish that PZEV/ZEV vehicles existed that could meet my basic requirements. And someday, they will--and I'll be the first in line to buy one.
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so maybe we should wipe our ass with our left hand. > > get a life, things evolve. Haha, thx. You have a great day too. :) Best, Al
Re: Cooking was Re: cars was [H] google search
aluminum foil and a hot exhaust manifold, you bet. At 10:58 PM 3/3/2006, Stan Zaske Poked the stick with: >Mmmm Auto Fuel! Does this mean I can drive my car *and* cook supper at the >same time? > > >Hayes Elkins wrote: > >>Save the grease! >> >> >>>From: Jim Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Reply-To: The Hardware List >>>To: The Hardware List >>>Subject: Cooking was Re: cars was [H] google search >>>Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:26:49 -0500 >>> >>>Mmmm Chicken wings! >> >> >> -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You might be a redneck if... You use a pig for a garbage disposal. - Jeff Foxworthy
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
big v8's keep the cost of fuel down and do not pollute any more then anything else, some may even be better. Basically new cars just do not put that much out the pipe with cats. do not believe me run with the garage door closed and see. At 07:37 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with: >P.S. > >Let me say, if one wants to drive a big fat V8, I believe in freedom. >Please drive one. > >But that driver should pay for the extra pollution. > >It's the pricing system that does not reflect the true cost of driving >that big V8. > > >Thx for your time. >Al > > > >Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> Hey ppl, >> >> Lots of good replies from the group; > > -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You might be a redneck if... You use a pig for a garbage disposal. - Jeff Foxworthy
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
so maybe we should wipe our ass with our left hand. get a life, things evolve. At 07:18 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with: >Blind greed capitalism has the Western Culture (double for Americans) >hoodwinked into thinking bigger, faster, more, and the some more after >that is the way to a happy life. > > >Buy now; and save. > > > >regards, -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You might be a redneck if... You use a pig for a garbage disposal. - Jeff Foxworthy
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
P.S. Let me say, if one wants to drive a big fat V8, I believe in freedom. Please drive one. But that driver should pay for the extra pollution. It's the pricing system that does not reflect the true cost of driving that big V8. Thx for your time. Al Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey ppl, > > Lots of good replies from the group;
Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
Hey ppl, Lots of good replies from the group; FROM: "But I'm not about to feel guilty for buying and driving a vehicle I like and can afford." Paraphrase: Of the things to consider, the environment is not a factor. I have the bucks and I want it. After all, it's all about me. "Until then (the pie in the shy perfect electric car), I'm going to buy vehicles with big fat V8's." I have a justification for my excess, because there is no alternative I like. Because it's all about me, remember? TO: The most enlightened comment of the discussion: "I think that's his point. Either you honestly don't feel guilty, or you choose not too. The question is - shouldn't one feel guilty about buying more of anything than one needs when there are other people in one's own country (I'm not talking Africa, I'm talking Canada and the US) who can't afford what they need? Shouldn't one buy the vehicle one needs and then use any money saved on helping someone else? I don't have an answer to this, and I certainly buy more than I need. But I think in a world of finite resources, our consume as much as we can mentality is going to take us down a bad road." Most got sidetracked with the 2500 lb error, which should have been 3500+ lb. A good side discussion on alternate energy was started. But there was little on the idea of excessive lifestyle. Here is an example: Has anyone reading this ever tried to get unbleached butt-wipe paper? Whenever I ask, I'm looked at like I'm crazy. The bleaching process is tough on the environment. and unnecessary. Butt-wipe paper should be made of almost 100% recycled paper and most of all unbleached. "Yuck. I'm not wiping my ass with that!", Nothing but pure white paper touches my ass; (to use 2 seconds and flush away)." (I have had ppl react to the suggestion of unbleached TP; just that way.) This is the kind of excessive lifestyle that is crammed down our ears by the marketers. Ever notice how much toothpaste is put on the toothbrush in the commercial? It has to be at least three times what one would need. This subconscious brow beating to excess is everywhere in advertizing. Leading us back to my comment Blind greed capitalism has the Western Culture (double for Americans) hoodwinked into thinking bigger, faster, more, and the some more after that is the way to a happy life. Buy now; and save. regards, Al
