RE: [H] SAVCE 10

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:27 AM 7/21/2006, Thane Sherrington typed:
NOOO!  Don't give out The List. :)Too late as I've already have it on my XpPe website but because of the recent attention I've deleted dead links & updated a few. This is by all means is NOT all inclusive. If you want more links there is a URL in most every inf file contained within 
xppe.zip  Fwiw many of the sites that I have links to have their own links to other sites & if one can't find enough links to keep them happy at the CD Forums <
http://www.911cd.net/forums/> then they have another problem.

Re: [H] SAVCE 10

[Chris Reeves]

I think reatago has a great searchable plugin library also

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-Original Message-
From: Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:05:25 
To:The Hardware List 
Subject: RE: [H] SAVCE 10

At 11:27 AM 7/21/2006, Thane Sherrington typed:

>NOOO!  Don't give out The List. :)

Too late as I've already have it on my XpPe website but because of 
the recent attention I've deleted dead links & updated a few. This is 
by all means is NOT all inclusive. If you want more links there is a 
URL in most every inf file contained within xppe.zip 
  Fwiw many of the sites that I 
have links to have their own links to other sites & if one can't find 
enough links to keep them happy at the CD Forums 
 then they have another problem.


   --+--
Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[Thane Sherrington]

At 04:37 PM 21/07/2006, Chris Reeves wrote:
After much wrangling an arbitrator and a judge getting involved he 
received full refund and court costs but no 'punitive' damages in a 
settlement. Taught me one thing: 70 year old judges and clunky legal 
tactics used by someone against a small shop owner who has english 
as his third language (chinese/tiawan first) means the small shop 
owner gets hosed


Even if English is one's first language, it's easy to get hosed.  I 
had a customer who bought a PC and Simply Accounting.  About six 
years later he has a stroke, loses his business, and decides to try 
to screw everyone around him.  So he takes us to court to get his 
money back for Simply Accounting ($300 at the time) because: a)We 
didn't teach him how to use it well enough, b)It didn't work right, 
and c)he bought the computer through a credit company and paid $1500 
in interest.  He wanted the interest back and the money for Simply 
Accounting.  He was going to keep all hardware and software, btw.  We 
went to small claims, argued our case, and the lawyer who presided 
(it isn't a judge in small claims) felt sorry for the guy and gave 
him the $300 for Simply Accounting (which he didn't have to 
return.)  Moral is:  Court is like flipping a coin.  Don't go there 
unless a)you have not choice, or b)you can afford to lose.



T 

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[Chris Reeves]

Went through this once where someone sued a company I worked with. They bought 
an hp laptop and the screen went out after five months. So they brought it in 
and it was shipped to hp for repairs. It took 2 months to get the laptop back 
and when it came back the customer noticed a cosmetic scratch on the bottom of 
the pc near where the battery inserts and he didn't remember this small scratch 
being there before. So, he sues for full refund + damages of 800. 

Just so it can be noted while his laptop was out for repairs he was given a 
'loaner' laptop (new Acer one) so he was not without

After much wrangling an arbitrator and a judge getting involved he received 
full refund and court costs but no 'punitive' damages in a settlement. Taught 
me one thing: 70 year old judges and clunky legal tactics used by someone 
against a small shop owner who has english as his third language 
(chinese/tiawan first) means the small shop owner gets hosed

CW
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:16:25 
To:"The Hardware List" 
Subject: Re: [SPAM SUSPECT]  [H] Temp files and viruses


- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses


>
> I just had a client's wife call me wanting to know if I'd buy back a 3yr 
> old machine. It seems that hubby can't stay away from prOn sites & will 
> not pay the subscription fee for AV updates so the machine is

At least they do not feel they bought a POS and threaten to contact the 
Better Business Bureau if you do not buy it back with it being only 3 years 
old. In my 2nd of 8+ years I had my first complaint with the BBB. When I 
walked in to present my documentation I was informed that the complaining 
customer had a bad attitude and nothing could satisfy her. Since then I have 
had about 3 to 5 more threaten to complain to the BBB but none actually went 
through with a formal complaint. Perhaps the BBB reviewed the evidence much 
closer and talk them out of filing.

Chuck 

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses




I just had a client's wife call me wanting to know if I'd buy back a 3yr 
old machine. It seems that hubby can't stay away from prOn sites & will 
not pay the subscription fee for AV updates so the machine is


At least they do not feel they bought a POS and threaten to contact the 
Better Business Bureau if you do not buy it back with it being only 3 years 
old. In my 2nd of 8+ years I had my first complaint with the BBB. When I 
walked in to present my documentation I was informed that the complaining 
customer had a bad attitude and nothing could satisfy her. Since then I have 
had about 3 to 5 more threaten to complain to the BBB but none actually went 
through with a formal complaint. Perhaps the BBB reviewed the evidence much 
closer and talk them out of filing.


Chuck 

Re: [H] Anyone on the list using the iPhantom Internet security device

[Winterlight]

Read their forums and you will see that somebody wrote in and said he had 
it on his home LAN and it really slowed things down then he put it only 
on his primary box and that worked out. It may be just his setup, but I 
would spend some time reading their forum.


At 08:08 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

This really looks to be a perfect solution for our home network. With 4 - 5
machines on, it is no more expensive than buying and continually updating
the installed software. That does not include set up, users modifying
installed software, individual compatibility issues, OS independent, etc.

I would not have to worry about any firewall setup, packages on any local
machines. A lot of that software is going to cause some performance issue on
the local machines.

At the most, I could just install a basic, no frill, free, antivirus package
on each machine to handle crud that may be passed on via email unknowingly
from one of their friends.


Anyway I am close to order, but would like to know if others are pleased
with this product/service.

Thanks,
Bob

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[Veech]

*hah* hope he doesn't donate it to the local church


- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses



At 08:19 AM 7/21/2006, Chris Reeves typed:

Wiping all temporary directories seldom removes all virus


I just had a client's wife call me wanting to know if I'd buy back a 
3yr old machine. It seems that hubby can't stay away from prOn sites 
& will not pay the subscription fee for AV updates so the machine is 
constantly fubarred. They've already spent twice as much as the 
machine cost initially having me wipe & reload Xp many times. In his 
case dumping the TIF [temporary internet files] does alleviate about 
half of the bugs but no where near all of them. They live out in the 
boonies so their only internet connection is via dialup.  YUCK !  I 
suppose they could've bought an SMC router that also does dialup if 
they even still make them. FWIW I told her that unless she wanted to 
donate it that it wasn't worth my time. Heck it was a minimal machine 
3yrs ago so I know there isn't much that could be salvaged so I told 
her to donate it to charity & take a tax write off.  I actually feel 
better because that guy shouldn't be spending so much time away from 
his family playing with himself.


If people are behind a router & they aren't shooting themselves in 
the foot by launching attachments that they shouldn't then clearing 
the TIFs is of very little benefit. As Chris said it saves time on 
virus scans or even searches if it is cleared out but if I were on 
dialup I surely wouldn't want to wait that extra time waiting for 
graphics to load because they weren't in the cache.


  --+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] SAVCE 10

[Thane Sherrington]

At 12:15 PM 21/07/2006, Bobby Heid wrote:

Can we get a list of your "BartPE sites?"


NOOO!  Don't give out The List. :)

T 

RE: [H] SAVCE 10

[Bobby Heid]

Can we get a list of your "BartPE sites?"

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:03 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: RE: [H] SAVCE 10


At 09:35 AM 7/21/2006, Hayes Elkins typed:
>I'm not that familiar with BartPE or it's plugin format, but 
>searching this forum there are a few working on a v10.1 plugin as we 
>speak. Plugins for v9.0 are out. What exactly is a plugin? If it can 
>be integrated similar to a switchless installer in an unattended 
>install then I already have one I made that you can try.
>
>http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showforum=21

I must be blind as I don't see SAV listed anywhere on that page. I 
did a search or the whole CD forum & found that a DanPye 
 
claims that he has a partial plugin for SAVCE 9 for BartPe but then 
he gives no link where one can find it at.  I do know that members of 
the CD Forum have been working literally for years trying to get 
SAVCE into a plugin & AFAIK no one has been able to do it. I've also 
checked all of my BartPe related sites again & none of them have a 
plugin for SAV.  If an app installs files all over the OS it becomes 
much harder to create a plugin for it. Driver plugs are tougher & if 
they install them self as a Service then forget about it unless you 
want to rewrite pebuilder.exe from scratch.


   --+--
Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] SAVCE 10

[Hayes Elkins]

http://www.911cd.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t11926.html


From: Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: RE: [H] SAVCE 10
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:03:23 -0400

At 09:35 AM 7/21/2006, Hayes Elkins typed:
I'm not that familiar with BartPE or it's plugin format, but searching 
this forum there are a few working on a v10.1 plugin as we speak. Plugins 
for v9.0 are out. What exactly is a plugin? If it can be integrated 
similar to a switchless installer in an unattended install then I already 
have one I made that you can try.


http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showforum=21


I must be blind as I don't see SAV listed anywhere on that page. I did a 
search or the whole CD forum & found that a DanPye 
 claims 
that he has a partial plugin for SAVCE 9 for BartPe but then he gives no 
link where one can find it at.  I do know that members of the CD Forum have 
been working literally for years trying to get SAVCE into a plugin & AFAIK 
no one has been able to do it. I've also checked all of my BartPe related 
sites again & none of them have a plugin for SAV.  If an app installs files 
all over the OS it becomes much harder to create a plugin for it. Driver 
plugs are tougher & if they install them self as a Service then forget 
about it unless you want to rewrite pebuilder.exe from scratch.



  --+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805

[H] Anyone on the list using the iPhantom Internet security device

[RLS]

This really looks to be a perfect solution for our home network. With 4 - 5
machines on, it is no more expensive than buying and continually updating
the installed software. That does not include set up, users modifying
installed software, individual compatibility issues, OS independent, etc.

I would not have to worry about any firewall setup, packages on any local
machines. A lot of that software is going to cause some performance issue on
the local machines.

At the most, I could just install a basic, no frill, free, antivirus package
on each machine to handle crud that may be passed on via email unknowingly
from one of their friends.


Anyway I am close to order, but would like to know if others are pleased
with this product/service.

Thanks,
Bob

Re: [H] BTX?

[Hayes Elkins]

Only intel chipsets with a "G" in the name have integrated graphics. The 
only boards out now are P965 chipset based boards, sans the IGD.




From: JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] BTX?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:10:46 -0700


All I see is the P965 Express chipset on Newegg.  Is that the right one?
Does Express mean no integrated graphics?

The Intel boards do look solid, but the other players are there too, Abit,
Gigabyte, Asus.  :)



>>Forget 975X. It's dead tech. It does not, nor will it ever, support 
DDR2-800
>>memory. Funny how it's touted as "extreme" and the 965 series chipsets 
that

>>DO support DDR2-800 memory are marketed as "mainstream".
>>
>>A G965 intel retail board with integrated graphics looks like a killer 
combo
>>for anything short of intense 3D gamers. Depending on which source you 
read,

>>the new integrated graphics are to be DX10 compliant and not suck.
>>
>>

--
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Re: [H] BTX?

[JRS]

All I see is the P965 Express chipset on Newegg.  Is that the right one?
Does Express mean no integrated graphics?

The Intel boards do look solid, but the other players are there too, Abit,
Gigabyte, Asus.  :)



>>Forget 975X. It's dead tech. It does not, nor will it ever, support DDR2-800 
>>memory. Funny how it's touted as "extreme" and the 965 series chipsets that 
>>DO support DDR2-800 memory are marketed as "mainstream".
>>
>>A G965 intel retail board with integrated graphics looks like a killer combo 
>>for anything short of intense 3D gamers. Depending on which source you read, 
>>the new integrated graphics are to be DX10 compliant and not suck.
>>
>>

-- 
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Re: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:51 AM 21/07/2006, JRS wrote:


Dunno if it's the best, but it is nice to be reading an online hardware
review and have SAV pop up and inform me that:

"The site is trying to install Bargain Buddy.  Do you want to allow this"
Heck no...  :)


I prefer Firefox and NoScript.  No install is attempted at all. :)

T 

RE: [H] BTX?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:49 AM 21/07/2006, Thane Sherrington wrote:

At 10:34 AM 21/07/2006, Bobby Heid wrote:

Well, the Asus says it does:
http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=248&model=1198&modelmenu=1

Not saying it is not out of spec or anything, just reporting...


Anandtech shows testing with PC2-6400 RAM and the 975X.  They say it 
has native 800MHz support.


http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2700&p=2


Nevermind, when I read further, it looks like 800MHz is for o/cing.

T 

Re: [H] AV SW Again ?

[JRS]

Dunno if it's the best, but it is nice to be reading an online hardware
review and have SAV pop up and inform me that:

"The site is trying to install Bargain Buddy.  Do you want to allow this" 
Heck no...  :)




>>At 09:22 AM 21/07/2006, Chris Reeves wrote:
>>>Remember this is Symantec AV Corporate, a great program and not 
>>>Norton 2006, an utter POS
>>
>>I know.  But I haven't read anything suggesting that SAVCE 10 is the 
>>holy grail of malware protection.  And I have a hard time buying 
>>that, judging from the stuff I read.  I'm not saying it's a POS, I'd 
>>just like to see something showing 90%+ Spyware detection from SAVCE 10.
>>
>>(I'd also like to know of any BartPE plugins for it.  Then I could 
>>test it myself.)
>>
>>T 

-- 
JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [H] BTX?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:34 AM 21/07/2006, Bobby Heid wrote:

Well, the Asus says it does:
http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=248&model=1198&modelmenu=1

Not saying it is not out of spec or anything, just reporting...


Anandtech shows testing with PC2-6400 RAM and the 975X.  They say it 
has native 800MHz support.


http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2700&p=2

T 

RE: [H] SAVCE 10

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:35 AM 21/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:
I'm not that familiar with BartPE or it's plugin format, but 
searching this forum there are a few working on a v10.1 plugin as we 
speak. Plugins for v9.0 are out. What exactly is a plugin? If it can 
be integrated similar to a switchless installer in an unattended 
install then I already have one I made that you can try.


http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showforum=21



A plugin allows one to use a piece of software in the BartPE 
environment.  Normally one installs the software on XP, then the 
plugin pulls the necessary files into a BartPE image which one burns 
to a CD.  Not sure if you're installer would work, but I'd love to 
give it a try.


T 

RE: [H] SAVCE 10

[Hayes Elkins]

I'm not that familiar with BartPE or it's plugin format, but searching this 
forum there are a few working on a v10.1 plugin as we speak. Plugins for 
v9.0 are out. What exactly is a plugin? If it can be integrated similar to a 
switchless installer in an unattended install then I already have one I made 
that you can try.


http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showforum=21



From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] SAVCE 10
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:13:22 -0300

Anyone know if there's a plugin for BartPE?  I can't find one, and based on 
Hayes' recommendation, I'd like to add it to my scanning system.


T

RE: [H] BTX?

[Bobby Heid]

Well, the Asus says it does:
http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=248&model=1198&modelmenu=1

Not saying it is not out of spec or anything, just reporting...

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:17 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] BTX?


The 975X chipset itself will NEVER support DDR2-800. Any board that makes 
such claims means you are running out of spec and overclocked.


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>Subject: RE: [H] BTX?
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:06:14 +0100
>
>Some of the 975 boards do support DDR2-800 and DDR2-1066, its just not a
>default option and is only available on a few of the more
>overclocker-freindly boards.
>
>The Asus P5W DH for example.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jason Tozer
>Database Analyst
>London
>Ext 1131 - 3SC.5
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
>Sent: 21 July 2006 13:42
>To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>Subject: RE: [H] BTX?
>
>
>Forget 975X. It's dead tech. It does not, nor will it ever, support 
>DDR2-800
>
>memory. Funny how it's touted as "extreme" and the 965 series chipsets that
>DO support DDR2-800 memory are marketed as "mainstream".
>
>A G965 intel retail board with integrated graphics looks like a killer 
>combo
>
>for anything short of intense 3D gamers. Depending on which source you 
>read,
>
>the new integrated graphics are to be DX10 compliant and not suck.
>
>
> >From: JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: The Hardware List 
> >To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> >Subject: [H] BTX?
> >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:48:02 -0700
> >
> >What happened to it?
> >
> >Was looking at new 975X motherboards getting ready for a Core 2 (Conroe)
> >update, seems most boards out there are still ATX form factor?
> >
> >  I thought Intel was gonna drop support for ATX for the newer 
>processors?
> >:)
> >
> >--
> >JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Please remove  **X**  to reply...
> >
> ><--Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most-->
>
>
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RE: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Hayes Elkins]

Well the only way to appease the most cynical of curmudgeons is to try the 
software out yourself :) Surf websites that are known peddlers of malware 
filth and compare SAVCE to your favorite antispyware.




From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: RE: [H] AV SW Again ?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:12:26 -0300

At 09:57 AM 21/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:
Oh and the ICSA now has antispyware certification, which SAVCE earned. 
Note that McAfee is certified too but you have to buy an additional 
antispyware module, pft!

http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/icsahome.php


I hate to be a stickler, but I don't think I'd take ICSA certification as 
gospel.  They have AVG Pro and Norton (non-corp) certified for AV.  That 
calls their entire testing into question for me.


T

RE: [H] BTX?

[Hayes Elkins]

The 975X chipset itself will NEVER support DDR2-800. Any board that makes 
such claims means you are running out of spec and overclocked.




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] BTX?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:06:14 +0100

Some of the 975 boards do support DDR2-800 and DDR2-1066, its just not a
default option and is only available on a few of the more
overclocker-freindly boards.

The Asus P5W DH for example.

Regards,

Jason Tozer
Database Analyst
London
Ext 1131 - 3SC.5


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
Sent: 21 July 2006 13:42
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] BTX?


Forget 975X. It's dead tech. It does not, nor will it ever, support 
DDR2-800


memory. Funny how it's touted as "extreme" and the 965 series chipsets that
DO support DDR2-800 memory are marketed as "mainstream".

A G965 intel retail board with integrated graphics looks like a killer 
combo


for anything short of intense 3D gamers. Depending on which source you 
read,


the new integrated graphics are to be DX10 compliant and not suck.


>From: JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>Subject: [H] BTX?
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:48:02 -0700
>
>What happened to it?
>
>Was looking at new 975X motherboards getting ready for a Core 2 (Conroe)
>update, seems most boards out there are still ATX form factor?
>
>  I thought Intel was gonna drop support for ATX for the newer 
processors?

>:)
>
>--
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>Please remove  **X**  to reply...
>
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[H] SAVCE 10

[Thane Sherrington]

Anyone know if there's a plugin for BartPE?  I can't find one, and 
based on Hayes' recommendation, I'd like to add it to my scanning system.


T

RE: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 09:57 AM 21/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:
Oh and the ICSA now has antispyware certification, which SAVCE 
earned. Note that McAfee is certified too but you have to buy an 
additional antispyware module, pft!

http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/icsahome.php


I hate to be a stickler, but I don't think I'd take ICSA 
certification as gospel.  They have AVG Pro and Norton (non-corp) 
certified for AV.  That calls their entire testing into question for me.


T 

RE: [H] BTX?

[Jason . Tozer]

Some of the 975 boards do support DDR2-800 and DDR2-1066, its just not a
default option and is only available on a few of the more
overclocker-freindly boards.

The Asus P5W DH for example.

Regards,

Jason Tozer
Database Analyst
London
Ext 1131 - 3SC.5


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
Sent: 21 July 2006 13:42
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] BTX?


Forget 975X. It's dead tech. It does not, nor will it ever, support DDR2-800

memory. Funny how it's touted as "extreme" and the 965 series chipsets that 
DO support DDR2-800 memory are marketed as "mainstream".

A G965 intel retail board with integrated graphics looks like a killer combo

for anything short of intense 3D gamers. Depending on which source you read,

the new integrated graphics are to be DX10 compliant and not suck.


>From: JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>Subject: [H] BTX?
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:48:02 -0700
>
>What happened to it?
>
>Was looking at new 975X motherboards getting ready for a Core 2 (Conroe)
>update, seems most boards out there are still ATX form factor?
>
>  I thought Intel was gonna drop support for ATX for the newer processors?
>:)
>
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Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[Thane Sherrington]

At 09:19 AM 21/07/2006, Chris Reeves wrote:

Wiping all temporary directories seldom removes all virus
But it saves unbelievable amounts of time compared to doing a full 
virus scan on temporary files you dony care about anyway


Well yes, but this isn't the way it's being presented.  It is being 
presented as a solution to malware.  That's what I don't 
buy.  Ignoring the fact that running apps can't be deleted by 
Windows, thus negating any value in clearing temp files, as the 
running malware that is based there wouldn't be removed, you're still 
stuck with the fact that any malware write worth his salt is storing 
his programs in non-temp folders.


T 

RE: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 09:45 AM 21/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:
Use the corporate edition v10.1.4.4000 :) If you read their list of 
threats, they include all malware/spyware that adaware detects.


Since v10.X I have stopped using antispyware of any kind. I verified 
myself every so often with a onetime scan of adaware that indeed it 
is now useless in wake of SAVCE.


Adaware isn't a 100% solution.

T 

RE: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Hayes Elkins]

Oh and the ICSA now has antispyware certification, which SAVCE earned. Note 
that McAfee is certified too but you have to buy an additional antispyware 
module, pft!



http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/icsahome.php

February 7, 2006 - ICSA Labs Announces Results of New Desktop Anti-Spyware 
Certification Testing Program


ICSA Labs(R), an independent division of Cybertrust(R), the global 
information security specialist, today announced the results of its first 
round of anti-spyware certification testing. Products that earned ICSA Labs 
Desktop Anti-Spyware Certification include: FortiClient Host Security from 
Fortinet, Inc.; McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.0i + McAfee AntiSpyware 
Enterprise Module from McAfee, Inc.; and Symantec AntiVirus Corporate 
Edition 10.0 from Symantec Corp.

Read the full announcement:



From: "Hayes Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] AV SW Again ?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:45:15 -0400

Use the corporate edition v10.1.4.4000 :) If you read their list of 
threats, they include all malware/spyware that adaware detects.


Since v10.X I have stopped using antispyware of any kind. I verified myself 
every so often with a onetime scan of adaware that indeed it is now useless 
in wake of SAVCE.




From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: RE: [H] AV SW Again ?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:02:33 -0300

At 06:26 PM 20/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:

SAVCE is simply the best because it negates the need for antispyware 
products. The latest version released (big update last month) was 
10.1.4.4000 - you will need to get a new serial code to access this new 
version via fileconnect.


Symantec has actually written an AV that includes 100% protection from 
Spyware as well?  I have yet to see a 100% solution to spyware, nor have I 
read of one anywhere.  This would be  a major breakthrough.  Do you have 
some links to back this up?


T

RE: [H] Temp files and viruses

[Hayes Elkins]

The threats downloaded these days are more likely in the .java cache than 
temp and IE temporary internet files. If your AV is worth anything, it 
should detect these threats the instant they are downloaded to any of these 
locations.




From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Temp files and viruses
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:14:09 -0300

I'm seeing several "experts" in my town telling people to empty their temp 
files and clear their history when they are finished surfing in order to 
"protect their privacy" and "remove the malware they got while surfing."  
It sounds to me like the old "make sure you defrag once a week" story that 
goes through the media from time to time due to a misunderstanding of file 
fragmentation.  Since we all know that Windows doesn't properly clear the 
temp folders anyway, clearing all this stuff on a daily basis sounds a best 
like a waste of time, and at worst like a way to lull people into a false 
sense of security.  Anyone think this is worth the time?


T

RE: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Hayes Elkins]

Use the corporate edition v10.1.4.4000 :) If you read their list of threats, 
they include all malware/spyware that adaware detects.


Since v10.X I have stopped using antispyware of any kind. I verified myself 
every so often with a onetime scan of adaware that indeed it is now useless 
in wake of SAVCE.




From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: RE: [H] AV SW Again ?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:02:33 -0300

At 06:26 PM 20/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:

SAVCE is simply the best because it negates the need for antispyware 
products. The latest version released (big update last month) was 
10.1.4.4000 - you will need to get a new serial code to access this new 
version via fileconnect.


Symantec has actually written an AV that includes 100% protection from 
Spyware as well?  I have yet to see a 100% solution to spyware, nor have I 
read of one anywhere.  This would be  a major breakthrough.  Do you have 
some links to back this up?


T

RE: [H] BTX?

[Hayes Elkins]

Forget 975X. It's dead tech. It does not, nor will it ever, support DDR2-800 
memory. Funny how it's touted as "extreme" and the 965 series chipsets that 
DO support DDR2-800 memory are marketed as "mainstream".


A G965 intel retail board with integrated graphics looks like a killer combo 
for anything short of intense 3D gamers. Depending on which source you read, 
the new integrated graphics are to be DX10 compliant and not suck.




From: JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] BTX?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:48:02 -0700

What happened to it?

Was looking at new 975X motherboards getting ready for a Core 2 (Conroe)
update, seems most boards out there are still ATX form factor?

 I thought Intel was gonna drop support for ATX for the newer processors?
:)

--
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Re: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 09:22 AM 21/07/2006, Chris Reeves wrote:
Remember this is Symantec AV Corporate, a great program and not 
Norton 2006, an utter POS


I know.  But I haven't read anything suggesting that SAVCE 10 is the 
holy grail of malware protection.  And I have a hard time buying 
that, judging from the stuff I read.  I'm not saying it's a POS, I'd 
just like to see something showing 90%+ Spyware detection from SAVCE 10.


(I'd also like to know of any BartPE plugins for it.  Then I could 
test it myself.)


T 

Re: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Chris Reeves]

Remember this is Symantec AV Corporate, a great program and not Norton 2006, an 
utter POS

CW

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-Original Message-
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:02:33 
To:The Hardware List 
Subject: RE: [H] AV SW Again ?

At 06:26 PM 20/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:

>SAVCE is simply the best because it negates the need for antispyware 
>products. The latest version released (big update last month) was 
>10.1.4.4000 - you will need to get a new serial code to access this 
>new version via fileconnect.

Symantec has actually written an AV that includes 100% protection 
from Spyware as well?  I have yet to see a 100% solution to spyware, 
nor have I read of one anywhere.  This would be  a major 
breakthrough.  Do you have some links to back this up?

T 

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[Chris Reeves]

Wiping all temporary directories seldom removes all virus

But it saves unbelievable amounts of time compared to doing a full virus scan 
on temporary files you dony care about anyway

CW

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-Original Message-
From: "Bobby Heid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:02:16 
To:"'The Hardware List'" 
Subject: RE: [SPAM SUSPECT]  [H] Temp files and viruses

I don't subscribe to this.  I think that if they did catch something, it is
not going to be a s simple as clearing the temp directory.  Although there
may be some remnants there.

So basically, I agree with you.

Now, best practices seem to suggest that people surf using a VM.  I can see
the blank stares of people when I suggest that they use a VM for surfing.
LOL.

Where are you located?  You are up too early!

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:14 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses
Importance: Low


I'm seeing several "experts" in my town telling people to empty their 
temp files and clear their history when they are finished surfing in 
order to "protect their privacy" and "remove the malware they got 
while surfing."  It sounds to me like the old "make sure you defrag 
once a week" story that goes through the media from time to time due 
to a misunderstanding of file fragmentation.  Since we all know that 
Windows doesn't properly clear the temp folders anyway, clearing all 
this stuff on a daily basis sounds a best like a waste of time, and 
at worst like a way to lull people into a false sense of 
security.  Anyone think this is worth the time?

T

RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[Thane Sherrington]

At 08:02 AM 21/07/2006, Bobby Heid wrote:

Now, best practices seem to suggest that people surf using a VM.  I can see
the blank stares of people when I suggest that they use a VM for surfing.
LOL.


I'm seeing this too.  I tried SandBoxie, but it screws up surfing 
(pages come up blank a lot, and you have to reload.)  I'm thinking of 
trying VMWare or the one from MS.  I tried VMWare awhile back and 
performance wise it was a dog, but it's probably time to try it 
again.  I've read some research suggesting it is possible to break 
out of a VM and infect the machine running it, so I'm guessing VM 
isn't a panacea.



Where are you located?  You are up too early!


Nova Scotia.  AST.  I go to work for 7, so yes, I'm up too early. :)

T 

Re: [H] BTX?

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "JRS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "The Hardware List" 


Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [H] BTX?




Gonna be expensive, need new CPU, new mobo, new memory, new PCI-X video
card.



The most often not thought of factor is the loss of a working computer, one 
that can be sold and the proceeds used towards the cost of building a 
totally new computer. I have many times came up with figures similar to what 
I am showing here.


These are round figures being used for example and do not reflect actual 
costs, but are close.


To rebuild a computer you throw away a working motherboard, CPU memory etc. 
and you most likely will have to pay $90.00 to purchase Windows again since 
you were most likely using OEM. Microsoft looks closer at the CPU than any 
other component when they think in terms of a new computer, not an upgrade. 
You spend from $500.00 to $700.00 upgrading your old Windows XP computer and 
you often have used parts in your upgrade job, such as a used case etc. 
Total net outlay - $500.00 to $700.00 resulting in only one workable 
computer.


To simply sell the old Windows XP computer for around $300.00 you have these 
proceeds to apply towards the new computer you build which costs you around 
$1000.00 (Including $90.00 for Windows XP Home OEM, more for Pro). After you 
sell the old one and apply the proceeds towards the cost to build a new 
computer, your expense is still only around $700.00 net. You do not have 
used parts in your new computer such as a used case etc. The results are 2 
working computers. Somebody else benefits, also.


If you truly meant what you said, "Gonna be expensive" then look hard at my 
suggestions and see if you can have a 100% new computer for close to the 
same expense.


Chuck

RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses

[Bobby Heid]

I don't subscribe to this.  I think that if they did catch something, it is
not going to be a s simple as clearing the temp directory.  Although there
may be some remnants there.

So basically, I agree with you.

Now, best practices seem to suggest that people surf using a VM.  I can see
the blank stares of people when I suggest that they use a VM for surfing.
LOL.

Where are you located?  You are up too early!

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:14 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] [H] Temp files and viruses
Importance: Low


I'm seeing several "experts" in my town telling people to empty their 
temp files and clear their history when they are finished surfing in 
order to "protect their privacy" and "remove the malware they got 
while surfing."  It sounds to me like the old "make sure you defrag 
once a week" story that goes through the media from time to time due 
to a misunderstanding of file fragmentation.  Since we all know that 
Windows doesn't properly clear the temp folders anyway, clearing all 
this stuff on a daily basis sounds a best like a waste of time, and 
at worst like a way to lull people into a false sense of 
security.  Anyone think this is worth the time?

T

[H] Temp files and viruses

[Thane Sherrington]

I'm seeing several "experts" in my town telling people to empty their 
temp files and clear their history when they are finished surfing in 
order to "protect their privacy" and "remove the malware they got 
while surfing."  It sounds to me like the old "make sure you defrag 
once a week" story that goes through the media from time to time due 
to a misunderstanding of file fragmentation.  Since we all know that 
Windows doesn't properly clear the temp folders anyway, clearing all 
this stuff on a daily basis sounds a best like a waste of time, and 
at worst like a way to lull people into a false sense of 
security.  Anyone think this is worth the time?


T

RE: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 06:26 PM 20/07/2006, Hayes Elkins wrote:

SAVCE is simply the best because it negates the need for antispyware 
products. The latest version released (big update last month) was 
10.1.4.4000 - you will need to get a new serial code to access this 
new version via fileconnect.


Symantec has actually written an AV that includes 100% protection 
from Spyware as well?  I have yet to see a 100% solution to spyware, 
nor have I read of one anywhere.  This would be  a major 
breakthrough.  Do you have some links to back this up?


T 

Re: [H] AV SW Again ?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 11:15 AM 20/07/2006, FORC5 wrote:

What does THG use for AV ?

I use Symantec Corp but it is getting old and think it needs updating.
Thoughts on Panda, Invircible and ?
do need something that will scan LAN drives


I use NOD32.  Scans mapped LAN drives.

T