[H] HTPC low end video card suggestions

[Robert Martin Jr.]

I need a low end HTPC PCI express video card that is 

-Quiet
-Fairly cool running
-has component out
-half decent 3d capabilities for running quake 3 engine games occasionally
-HDMI a plus for later 

It will be running on a pentium-m 2.0 Gig HTPC box. Full size cards are fine.

TIA

lopaka

Re: [H] Gaming Box Survey Was Re: [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[DHSinclair]

This probably might be a trip down memory lane... :)

Dedicated game box:

Asus A7N8X-E-Deluxe
Windows 2K sp4
AMD "Barton" 2500+ (not overclocked)
1GB Mushkin/Winbond DDR400 RAM
Gainward Gforce 4 ti4800SE (agp) video card (8x, 128M ram)
used mostly to play MS FS 2002, SerSam, Ghost Recon, MOH
This box is getting ready for a hd change from scsi to eide/sata...
some time in the future?

Test game box (for the two last Tomb Raider issues):

Asus CUBX
Windows XP pro SP3
Intel P-800E
512MB Mushkin/Infineon PC133 RAM
eVGA nVidia FX5500 (agp) video card (2x, 256MB)
used for general XP learning, TR Legend, TR Anniversary

Both machines run solid as concrete. But, as you can guess, I've only 
bought 2 new games in the last 7 years! And, I think I can recall ~2hr of 
gaming in the last 4 years :)

Duncan


At 12:39 09/24/2008 -0500, Stan wrote:
My old setup was an Epox NF4 Ultra mobo with an Athlon 64 FX55 running 
about 2.8 GHz and the upgrade has the Biostar 790GX/SB750 chipset and an 
Athlon 64 X2 5400+ BE running again about 2.8 GHz. Both had the same 4850 
video card and the same 2 gigs of RAM. The only difference is between DX9 
XP Home and DX10.1 Vista64 Home Premium. Now I have yet to use the 
benchmarking utility for Crysis (all patched up of course) but it ran 
smoothly enough at that resolution and medium settings before that I had 
no problem getting my crosshairs on the Koreans and fragging them. Now 
however it visibly stutters and I attribute that to Vista and of course 
the 64 bit version has been widely reported to also be slower for gaming. 
Hopefully more RAM will help. What kind of boxes do the rest of the list 
members use for gaming?Gam

snip

[H] Fwd: Setting up a second NIC card in Windows server 2003

[Brian Weeden]

I got the following from a friend of mine who's doing IT work for a school.
I've never messed with setting up VPNs or Windows Server.  Can any of you
networking guru's make sense of this?  I can send you the diagrams he
mentioned privately if you want.

---
Brian

-- Forwarded message --

 Do you know how to set-up a second NIC card in Windows Server 2003?

We have three servers in our office.  I need to be able to establish a
Separate VPN connection to each of these servers.  Our T1 connection has 5
available Static IP addresses.  I have put a switch between the T1 "modem"
and one of our routers.  This connection is set up through out our office,
and also one of the servers (VPN).

All three servers are on our LAN as well (same work group name).  Now I've
tried to set up the second NIC cards by running additional connections from
the switch into separate routers.  I'm obviously missing a step or two along
the way, as the router light for the computer I'm attempting to connect to
are not lit.  Any thoughts?  I've included two crude drawings of the basic
set-up.

Re: [H] Gaming Box Survey Was Re: [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[Thane Sherrington]

At 02:39 PM 24/09/2008, Stan Zaske wrote:
My old setup was an Epox NF4 Ultra mobo with an Athlon 64 FX55 
running about 2.8 GHz and the upgrade has the Biostar 790GX/SB750 
chipset and an Athlon 64 X2 5400+ BE running again about 2.8 GHz. 
Both had the same 4850 video card and the same 2 gigs of RAM. The 
only difference is between DX9 XP Home and DX10.1 Vista64 Home 
Premium. Now I have yet to use the benchmarking utility for Crysis 
(all patched up of course) but it ran smoothly enough at that 
resolution and medium settings before that I had no problem getting 
my crosshairs on the Koreans and fragging them. Now however it 
visibly stutters and I attribute that to Vista and of course the 64 
bit version has been widely reported to also be slower for gaming. 
Hopefully more RAM will help. What kind of boxes do the rest of the 
list members use for gaming?Gam


I use an XBox and Wii.  Oh, and I play GoalLineBlitz on the computer.

T 

Re: [H] What the hell is this folder???

[Winterlight]

At 06:05 AM 9/25/2008, you wrote:
Is that 300GB drive the drive with the largest amount of free space 
on the system? If so that may explain why the MS updates are picking 
it to unpack their archives.


yes it is the largest drive, and I thought the same thing but there 
have been no updates, which are done manually. For a long time I 
thought it was true crypt but it isn't ... I stopped using Truecrypt 
and have gone back to my previous encryption program.




As for deleting them, search for "File Unlocker." It's a free 
utility that has helped me delete files that for one reason or not 
always seem to be "in use by another process" - even after reboots.



cool, thanks, I will give it a try.




Winterlight wrote:
I have been having these folders pop up on one of my stand alone 
drives for a month now.

Re: [H] dir attribute tool?

[DHSinclair]

Forc5,
I did use the attrib cmd from the command line. It only shows me the actual 
files below the dir (container) level; not the attributes of the container.
The attributes of the files in question are correct per the batch file, but 
I am still in question of the containers in the string. Still searching. 
Thank you.

Duncan

At 11:08 09/25/2008 -0700, you wrote:

how about attrib from a command line ?

At 10:43 AM 9/25/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Is there a tool that allows me to see the attributes (a/h/r/s) of file 
directories and/or at the parent drive level (like c:\)?

>
>I use the Hosts File. It seems to work for me. But, I have one machine 
(out of 5) that the included mvps.bat batch file fails on. With the tools 
I have/use, I can not find what/where I have some attribute wrong in the 
string: c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc
>where the batch file attempts to update the hosts file.  I end up having 
to do the old copy old file out to desktop-rename the file-copy the file 
back to above-then copy new host file into the same directory.

>
>Whenever I try to use the mvps.bat batch file, the opened window 
displays these 4 lines:

>"The system cannot find the file specified." and nothing happens.
>
>The files are clearly present. This one baffles me. I accept that I may 
have something set wrong somewhere, but I just can not find it. Any clues?

>Duncan

--
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Hangnail: A place to hang your coat and hat upon entering

Re: [H] dir attribute tool?

[FORC5]

how about attrib from a command line ?

At 10:43 AM 9/25/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Is there a tool that allows me to see the attributes (a/h/r/s) of file 
>directories and/or at the parent drive level (like c:\)?
>
>I use the Hosts File. It seems to work for me. But, I have one machine (out of 
>5) that the included mvps.bat batch file fails on. With the tools I have/use, 
>I can not find what/where I have some attribute wrong in the string: 
>c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc
>where the batch file attempts to update the hosts file.  I end up having to do 
>the old copy old file out to desktop-rename the file-copy the file back to 
>above-then copy new host file into the same directory.
>
>Whenever I try to use the mvps.bat batch file, the opened window displays 
>these 4 lines:
>"The system cannot find the file specified." and nothing happens.
>
>The files are clearly present. This one baffles me. I accept that I may have 
>something set wrong somewhere, but I just can not find it. Any clues?
>Duncan

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Hangnail: A place to hang your coat and hat upon entering

[H] dir attribute tool?

[DHSinclair]

Is there a tool that allows me to see the attributes (a/h/r/s) of file 
directories and/or at the parent drive level (like c:\)?


I use the Hosts File. It seems to work for me. But, I have one machine (out 
of 5) that the included mvps.bat batch file fails on. With the tools I 
have/use, I can not find what/where I have some attribute wrong in the 
string: c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc
where the batch file attempts to update the hosts file.  I end up having to 
do the old copy old file out to desktop-rename the file-copy the file back 
to above-then copy new host file into the same directory.


Whenever I try to use the mvps.bat batch file, the opened window displays 
these 4 lines:

"The system cannot find the file specified." and nothing happens.

The files are clearly present. This one baffles me. I accept that I may 
have something set wrong somewhere, but I just can not find it. Any clues?

Duncan

Re: [H] Reactionless drive??

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

I'm not a good enough mathematician to tell which side is right.
The comment comparing the logic to that behind a laser gyro makes some
sense; light is NOT in "our" frame of reference. As always the real answer
will be in the toast.

Man, but IF !


On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> At an event last year in Beijing the head of CASC (their big space company)
> was asked if they were going to the Moon to mine He3 and he said yes, it
> was
> something very important to them.
>
> So take everything with a grain of salt.  Who knows if this is legit or
> just
> more pseduoscience.
>
>
> --
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:12 AM, G.Waleed Kavalec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
> > Man this would be TOO DAMN COOL if it turns out to be real.
> >
> > The Chinese space agency is building one.  They aren't stupid.
> >
> > I mean: whoa.
> >
> >
> > --
> >  Ramadan Mubarak
> >   Gregory Waleed Kavalec
> > ---
> > McCain on Spain shows he doesn't have a Brain
> >
>



-- 
 Ramadan Mubarak
   Gregory Waleed Kavalec
---
McCain on Spain shows he doesn't have a Brain

Re: [H] Reactionless drive??

[Brian Weeden]

At an event last year in Beijing the head of CASC (their big space company)
was asked if they were going to the Moon to mine He3 and he said yes, it was
something very important to them.

So take everything with a grain of salt.  Who knows if this is legit or just
more pseduoscience.


--
Brian



On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:12 AM, G.Waleed Kavalec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
> Man this would be TOO DAMN COOL if it turns out to be real.
>
> The Chinese space agency is building one.  They aren't stupid.
>
> I mean: whoa.
>
>
> --
>  Ramadan Mubarak
>   Gregory Waleed Kavalec
> ---
> McCain on Spain shows he doesn't have a Brain
>

[H] Reactionless drive??

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
Man this would be TOO DAMN COOL if it turns out to be real.

The Chinese space agency is building one.  They aren't stupid.

I mean: whoa.


-- 
 Ramadan Mubarak
   Gregory Waleed Kavalec
---
McCain on Spain shows he doesn't have a Brain

Re: [H] What the hell is this folder???

[Soren]

Most probably XP SP3 leftovers.

Right clicking on the relevant file or folder, and changing access rights, the 
file or folder should then be accessible.

If you want to be more certain, get Dependency Walker from www.dependencywalker.com, just to confirm if (or if not) all of the .dll files' dependencies are OK. Then you 
can see which files on your system drive are keeping those files popping up again and again.


Also, try Spybot Search & Destroy + updated signature files from 
www.safer-networking.org.

BTW, some vira and malware go undetected for months and even years, so 'clean' if often 
only "clean", if you get my picture.

Other stuff to consider: www.gmer.net/index.php - but be careful with this one, 
now you're warned :)

Winterlight wrote:

The only way I can get rid of them is to do a quick format of the drive.

Re: [H] What the hell is this folder???

[Ben Ruset]

Is that 300GB drive the drive with the largest amount of free space on 
the system? If so that may explain why the MS updates are picking it to 
unpack their archives.


As for deleting them, search for "File Unlocker." It's a free utility 
that has helped me delete files that for one reason or not always seem 
to be "in use by another process" - even after reboots.


Winterlight wrote:
I have been having these folders pop up on one of my stand alone drives 
for a month now.

Re: [H] [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[James Boswell]

On 25 Sep 2008, at 09:14, Winterlight wrote:




now, low end cards with half a gig or more of ram are another matter,
but I can't say it's a bad idea on anything that's north of the
performance line of the 8800GT or so.
-JB



GB vs. 512MB on an 8800 GT

The big question was does having 1GB of video RAM really make a  
difference on a GeForce 8800 GT GPU based video card? We tested this  
by comparing the Palit GeForce 8800 GT Super+1GB to a reference  
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of RAM, both of which had the  
exact same clock frequencies. What we found was that there basically  
wasn't any gameplay differences at all. In only one game did we even  
detect a slight performance advantage, and that was UT3 in an SLI  
configuration.


The simple reason is that in some instances the GeForce 8800 GT is  
just not a fast enough GPU to realize the potential of 1GB of RAM.  
It doesn't have the performance needed to push high settings in  
today's games that will benefit with 1GB of RAM. Crysis is the new  
kid on the block, the one by which all gamers are judging video card  
performance. This game puts every video card to shame. The GeForce  
8800 GT by no means is the fastest GPU out there, and in this game  
it just can't push the game fast enough to utilize the full 1GB of  
memory available. With SLI performance currently underperforming in  
Crysis, the potential there is also not realized.


UT3 was the only game to really show us any raw performance  
advantages with 1GB of RAM on an 8800 GT, and that was only in an  
SLI configuration. Even then, it wasn't enough to allow a higher  
gameplay experience. Call of Duty 4 also showed no advantages with  
1GB of video RAM. We must remember that the GeForce 8800 GT utilizes  
a 256-bit memory bus, and no matter how much RAM you stick on it,  
that memory bus is not going to change. When you start running games  
at the resolutions, settings and AA levels needed to push a 1GB  
framebuffer, you really also need to have a high amount of memory  
bandwidth available, and the 8800 GT just doesn't have it.


1GB of video RAM on the new 8800 GTS would even be iffy, even though  
the GPU is much faster, it too utilizes a 256-bit memory bus and  
might simply choke at those extreme settings in current games. 1GB  
of video RAM seems appealing on paper, but if it doesn't have the  
GPU performance and memory bandwidth to properly support the  
resolutions and settings needed to push that amount of storage  
space, it really is pointless.




The Price & Value

Palit has a suggested price of $299 for this video card. While the  
Palit GeForce 8800 GT Super+1GB is currently not available at Newegg  
(they do have plans to make that happen), you can find it online at Tigerdirect for the suggested price of $299. Searching Newegg the  
cheapest 512MB 8800 GT we can find is this one at $279.99. That is a difference of only $20. However, if  
you plan on purchasing two, then the difference of $40 can  
definitely make an impact. $20 more buys you 512MB more RAM, but in  
our evaluation here today it really doesn't buy you a higher  
gameplay experience, even in SLI. But with that said, you are  
getting a much better cooling solution that has already been  
installed for you.


Note, I did say NORTH of the performance line of the 8800GT, which is  
a decidedly midrange part at this point,


By that, I mean it starts to be worthwhile when you look at the  
8800GTX (which has more bandwidth) or the Radeon 4850 (which has more  
bandwidth), it does also depend on the texture sizes you're throwing  
around, which none of the test you just quoted really gave a good  
thrashing too, the HalfLife 2 cinematic mod or Qarls texture pack for  
Oblivion soon show the benefits of more ram to stuff textures into.


The article you quoted goes with the assumption that games scale how  
they load the gpu down in a fairly evenly balanced fashion, which  
often isn't a case, games will use disproportionate amounts of memory  
for textures, or shaders and so on and so forth, instead they assumed  
that anything significantly heavy on the hardware to grow in >512MB of  
ram will also need more memory bandwidth and more shader power... now,  
this is certainly true in the case of the 512MB Geforce 8500GT's and  
the comically silly 9600GT with 2GB of ram, but throwing more ram at a  
high bandwidth, high shader performance part can and does show benefits.


And that's supported by the anandtech link to a 1GB 4870 someone  
linked earlier, where it stomps all over the 512MB part.


-JB

Re: [H] Gaming Box Survey Was Re: [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[Naushad Zulfiqar]

Remember a couple of days ago I asked about a mATX mobo and/or Shuttle
computer?

Well, I found out that for my needs that's way too much money to spend.  And
it was my luck that intel just released the Atom 330 (Dual core) at that
time.

So I snagged the Atom 330 board and it's on the way, I have a lot of parts
lying around and I can easily scrounge up a system.

While searching for the board specs, I managed to come across a thread on
insanelymac that described the Atom 230 board (same thing but single core)
as the perfect introductory hackmac platform, all the drivers work perfectly
and so on.

So I decided on building a hackintosh.  The only thing is that I saw Boz's
keyboard and was curious.

Anyway, my curiosity has left a $50 dollar gaping hole in my wallet.

:)



On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:03 AM, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Zul,
> Are you just being a forward push?
> Why this sudden quest to meld "PCs" with Apple?
> What is your point?
> Apologies to Da Boz if I stepped on some toes :)
> Duncan
>
> At 01:04 09/25/2008 +0300, you wrote:
>
>> Does the apple keyboard work fine in windows or do you have to do anything
>> with it (i.e. drivers)
>>
>>
>


-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad

Re: [H] What the hell is this folder???

[Lubomír Čabla]

It seems like folder from SP or some patch installation.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Winterlight
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I have been having these folders pop up on one of my stand alone drives for
> a month now.
>
>  Directory of H:\dcade4f357d18b8d14e36f46c8
>
> 09/25/2008  12:07 AM  .
> 09/25/2008  12:07 AM  ..
> 11/02/2006  07:22 AM51,680 kmdfcustom.dll
> 10/08/2006  09:51 PM14,640 spmsg.dll
> 10/08/2006  09:51 PM   221,488 spuninst.exe
> 10/08/2006  09:51 PM23,856 spupdsvc.exe
> 09/25/2008  12:07 AM  update
> 11/02/2006  07:22 AM   492,000 wdf01000.sys
> 11/02/2006  07:22 AM32,224 wdfldr.sys
>   6 File(s)835,888 bytes
>   3 Dir(s)  218,024,284,160 bytes free
>
> A Google search says the files are MS and safe, but I can't figure out why
> these folders keep getting dumped this particular drive. I get up to four of
> them on the drive at a time. I can not delete them. Even if I boot into
> another OS I can not delete them. The only way I can get rid of them is to
> do a quick format of the drive.
>
> This is a single 300GB drive partitioned with one logical partition. It is
> not a boot or system drive. It is the second drive on the system but just a
> capture /  storage drive.
>
> I am running current anti virus, and Zone Alarm Pro for spy ware and
> malware... plus I do Karparski web scans. I'm careful , I'm clean, and these
> are suppose to me MS files???
>
> It is getting really annoying to have them keep popping up and being unable
> to delete them or stop this. Any ideas?
>
>

[H] What the hell is this folder???

[Winterlight]

I have been having these folders pop up on one of my stand alone 
drives for a month now.


 Directory of H:\dcade4f357d18b8d14e36f46c8

09/25/2008  12:07 AM  .
09/25/2008  12:07 AM  ..
11/02/2006  07:22 AM51,680 kmdfcustom.dll
10/08/2006  09:51 PM14,640 spmsg.dll
10/08/2006  09:51 PM   221,488 spuninst.exe
10/08/2006  09:51 PM23,856 spupdsvc.exe
09/25/2008  12:07 AM  update
11/02/2006  07:22 AM   492,000 wdf01000.sys
11/02/2006  07:22 AM32,224 wdfldr.sys
   6 File(s)835,888 bytes
   3 Dir(s)  218,024,284,160 bytes free

A Google search says the files are MS and safe, but I can't figure 
out why these folders keep getting dumped this particular drive. I 
get up to four of them on the drive at a time. I can not delete them. 
Even if I boot into another OS I can not delete them. The only way I 
can get rid of them is to do a quick format of the drive.


This is a single 300GB drive partitioned with one logical partition. 
It is not a boot or system drive. It is the second drive on the 
system but just a capture /  storage drive.


I am running current anti virus, and Zone Alarm Pro for spy ware and 
malware... plus I do Karparski web scans. I'm careful , I'm clean, 
and these are suppose to me MS files???


It is getting really annoying to have them keep popping up and being 
unable to delete them or stop this. Any ideas?

Re: [H] [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[Winterlight]

now, low end cards with half a gig or more of ram are another matter,
but I can't say it's a bad idea on anything that's north of the
performance line of the 8800GT or so.
-JB



GB vs. 512MB on an 8800 GT

The big question was does having 1GB of video RAM really make a 
difference on a GeForce 8800 GT GPU based video card? We tested this 
by comparing the Palit GeForce 8800 GT Super+1GB to a reference 
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of RAM, both of which had the exact 
same clock frequencies. What we found was that there basically wasn't 
any gameplay differences at all. In only one game did we even detect 
a slight performance advantage, and that was UT3 in an SLI configuration.


The simple reason is that in some instances the GeForce 8800 GT is 
just not a fast enough GPU to realize the potential of 1GB of RAM. It 
doesn't have the performance needed to push high settings in today's 
games that will benefit with 1GB of RAM. Crysis is the new kid on the 
block, the one by which all gamers are judging video card 
performance. This game puts every video card to shame. The GeForce 
8800 GT by no means is the fastest GPU out there, and in this game it 
just can't push the game fast enough to utilize the full 1GB of 
memory available. With SLI performance currently underperforming in 
Crysis, the potential there is also not realized.


UT3 was the only game to really show us any raw performance 
advantages with 1GB of RAM on an 8800 GT, and that was only in an SLI 
configuration. Even then, it wasn't enough to allow a higher gameplay 
experience. Call of Duty 4 also showed no advantages with 1GB of 
video RAM. We must remember that the GeForce 8800 GT utilizes a 
256-bit memory bus, and no matter how much RAM you stick on it, that 
memory bus is not going to change. When you start running games at 
the resolutions, settings and AA levels needed to push a 1GB 
framebuffer, you really also need to have a high amount of memory 
bandwidth available, and the 8800 GT just doesn't have it.


1GB of video RAM on the new 8800 GTS would even be iffy, even though 
the GPU is much faster, it too utilizes a 256-bit memory bus and 
might simply choke at those extreme settings in current games. 1GB of 
video RAM seems appealing on paper, but if it doesn't have the GPU 
performance and memory bandwidth to properly support the resolutions 
and settings needed to push that amount of storage space, it really 
is pointless.




The Price & Value

Palit has a suggested price of $299 for this video card. While the 
Palit GeForce 8800 GT Super+1GB is currently not available at Newegg 
(they do have plans to make that happen), you can find it online at 
Tigerdirect 
for the suggested price of $299. Searching Newegg the cheapest 512MB 
8800 GT we can find is 
this 
one at $279.99. That is a difference of only $20. However, if you 
plan on purchasing two, then the difference of $40 can definitely 
make an impact. $20 more buys you 512MB more RAM, but in our 
evaluation here today it really doesn't buy you a higher gameplay 
experience, even in SLI. But with that said, you are getting a much 
better cooling solution that has already been installed for you.

Re: [H] [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[James Boswell]

On 25 Sep 2008, at 08:32, Winterlight wrote:


At 12:25 AM 9/25/2008, you wrote:

Looks like Anand just answered my question for me:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=1

"The Radeon HD 4870 1GB is a better buy than both the GTX 260 and  
core 216

variant."
--
Brian



I was going to get 1GB, but then I found a article that explained  
why modern video cards really can't handle over 1/2 a GB. The GPUs  
themselves aren't capable yet of processing the extra RAM fast enough.

\


That's.. well, that's not really true at all, it's more a question of  
how much video memory games tend to use for textures, referenced  
against the memory needs of the resolution/AA you're going to be  
running at.


The high definition texture mods for HL2 and Oblivion definitely show  
improvement on >512MB cards, because they're thrashing texture data in  
and out of main memory as it doesn't all fit.



now, low end cards with half a gig or more of ram are another matter,  
but I can't say it's a bad idea on anything that's north of the  
performance line of the 8800GT or so.



-JB

Re: [H] [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[Winterlight]

At 12:25 AM 9/25/2008, you wrote:

Looks like Anand just answered my question for me:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=1

"The Radeon HD 4870 1GB is a better buy than both the GTX 260 and core 216
variant."
--
Brian



I was going to get 1GB, but then I found a article that explained why 
modern video cards really can't handle over 1/2 a GB. The GPUs 
themselves aren't capable yet of processing the extra RAM fast enough.
\ 

Re: [H] [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

[Brian Weeden]

Looks like Anand just answered my question for me:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=1

"The Radeon HD 4870 1GB is a better buy than both the GTX 260 and core 216
variant."


--
Brian



On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:48 AM, maccrawj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What, that backs up what I was saying which is the newer ATI's beat NV even
> harder.
>
>
> Winterlight wrote:
>
>> At 04:30 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>> If you're playing @ 1920 with a single 4850 I am not surprised you don't
>>> like the results! What's the specs on the rest of the system?
>>>
>>> I think you should read some more because consistently ATI has beat NV $
>>> for $ performance wise, the 3870X2 has matched 280's and beaten 260's never
>>> mind the new 4870 & X2 versions.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think so
>> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/ati_nvidia_youre_obsolete
>>
>>  ATI to Nvidia: You're a Dinosaur
>> Posted 06/25/08 at 08:00:00 AM |  by Will Smith
>>
>> On the eve of the GeForce GTX 280 launch just last week, ATI unveiled a
>> bombshell—a brand-new GPU architecture that utilized better process
>> technology and a more power efficient design to o
>>
>>