Re: [H] VPN connection seals computer off from LAN
I had the same issue it was down to all 10. Addresses being routed down the VPN. I changed my home network to 192.168.. and now everything works fine, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:45 AM To: hwg Subject: [H] VPN connection seals computer off from LAN This is very weird. I have a VPN setup and it's been acting weird - when I connect to it using one of the machines on my LAN, that machines effectively drops off the network. It can browse the internet just fine, but none of the other machines on the LAN can connect to it. Interestingly, although it says its LAN IP is still 10.0.1.2, I can't ping it with that IP. I have been using this VPN on this particular machine for months with no problems until recently. However, using the same VPN setup on another machine on the same LAN, it will connect to the VPN and still be visible on the LAN and can still connect to other clients on the LAN. I've double checked the VPN settings are they are exactly the same on both machines. Any ideas? --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] iPad
What did I start with this thread LOL Some nice points as always. I understand why people don't see the point of this device. But I have to say after using it for a couple of days, I am pleased I bought it. I bought it mainly for travelling as an entertainment device but now I am taking it to meetings to make notes. It saves me taking my laptop and paper notebook to the meetings I can draw on the screen and type notes, then email them out. Yes I could do that on a tablet PC but they still are not affordable or mainstream and my company does not provide a tablet option (mind you I am very happy with my Lenovo X200 I wouldn't change it for anything). So now when I travel I can watch movies on the plane. Play the odd silly game and not get bored. Also it boots quickly so in the morning before running to meetings it's great to check the news (as long as I have the wifi access), I don't have to wait for my PC to boot it's all immediate. So as an on the go device it's great. Yes I can do this all on my phone but the big screen is just so nice and considering I don't have to take my notepad around anymore it just replaces that so is not another piece of junk in my bag. I hate using my laptop on the plane especially in economy (and that's all I get for internal flights) because there just isn't the space to have the screen up. As soon as the person in front reclines their seat I have to put the laptop on my lap at an angle because the angle of the seat in front won't allow me to put it on seatback tray. By the way I never work on the plane so having word, excel and power point is something I don't need, I am a nervous traveler and need to take my mind off the fact that I am not on the ground I can't concentrate on work up there :) I just need mindless entertainment. As more and more innovative apps come out I can see this thing morphing into a more and more essential device. As for reading books. I never get to see daylight so the iPad is great for reading books in my hotel room. But I can see how the iPad's screen is not great for outdoor reading. I guess if I ever get time to sit by a pool I'll have to buy a paper back :) By the way I am not an apple fan boy there are things I hate. Like yesterday iTunes decided to uninstall all my apps when I was synching so I had to restore from a backup to get all my settings back. Also backup takes forever. The fact that some apps are so much more expensive is also crappy. I am not buying many now as I hope they will come down in price and level out over time. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of tmse...@rlrnews.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:50 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad Exactly. Sometimes we get over focused on hype (see today's article on slate.com). Apple just sold 320,000 ipads. A good number. They hope to sell 500k this month to 750k. Great numbers. Nintendo sold 500k Wiis last month, 3+ years after introduction. Selling volumes in the computerworld is good, but turning around and making it consistent matters. For the ipad, far more then the iphone, a lot of this depends on apps. This is where I do have some concern with how that goes. Appke has repeatedly 'spiked' and removed apps based on content concerns, including major name apps (hunt for the Nine Inch Nails fiasco and Trent Reznor's take). Apples policy with regards to how they handle all this is does create a false economy (ecosystem) but it isn't a monopoly. I used Nintendo as an example above because that's exactly what they did. They control everything about their product, software available for it, etc. And its been shockingly successful. Apple has the same success and the same outlook. I have and continue to use all. I find snow leopard is effective and nice, but win7 is finally really an intuitive os that thinks closer to the way I do. Make no mistake, vista was too bulky with too many hangups to slow the user. Windows7 is slick and managable, its taskbar is more useful and intuitive then apple's dock, and its snap to and mouse focusing features work with no after thought. But it took ms a lot of mistakes to get there. How well the ipad succeeds will be interesting. To me, I can't figure out the point. I will never want to and type on a touch screen. Because of the screen, its worthless outside.. So while you can sit with a kindle at the pool (I've done it) and read with zero eye strain, the ipad will appear like a brick to read in bright light. There just isn't that stand out function that makes me say 'holy shit' I have to have it. Let's face it, apples ipod really isn't better then any other mp3 player. My creative still plays all my audiobooks just great. But it was the ecosystem and ability to buy and download for it that sold it to the masses. Ease of use. Everyone used mp3s. I'm struggling to think what the breakthrough user
Re: [H] iPad
Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sipe Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:03 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it? Scott If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] iPad
I haven't seen any reports on a working PC charge yet. Another annoyance is the docking base. If it needs so much USB power why don't they give that a separate PSU and just use the USB as a data link. I am feeling I wasted $30 on the dock. I know I have complained a lot but on the whole the iPad is a good experience. Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sipe Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:03 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it? Scott If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] iPad
I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet. It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as well. Need For Speed was very impressive. The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or use the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. Everything else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't put it down :) I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out before chrstimas. Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get? On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, So who else got their iPad today? What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be great. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] iPad
You are correct, but they could of added a cable that plugs into two USB ports to pull more power! Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:33 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more current to charge than most other devices. Not all USB ports are designed to provide that much power. So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] iPad
Hi, So who else got their iPad today? What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be great. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] Micro SD
Hi, Is anyone in the know on when 32GB micro SD cards will be available. I just bought a Motorola Milestone and this thing rocks (it does all the iPhone does and more) the only thing is currently I only have an 8GB micro SD card in it and I really need 32GB to transfer everything from my iPod touch. I don't want to buy a 16GB if 32GB is just around the corner. Googling it there have been rumors of an imminent release way back to Jan 2009 but they still don't seem to be available :( Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] UPS Deals?
I haven't found any spectacular deals yet. Who knows I may well end up waiting that long :) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:58 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] UPS Deals? I look around on Black Friday sales, or right after Christmas. I try to get at least 4 at those times. Sorry, I buy seasonally like that. Note: They are sometimes up to a year old, (shelf life), so I'm not sure I'm saving as much as I think*... Rick Glazier From: Hunter, Gary Does anyone know of any good deals on UPS's? I haven't bought one for many, many years and looking at the three I have they are all underpowered. I don't need top of the range just a good deal :) If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] UPS Deals?
Thanks for the advice Duncan. Got my new surge protectors delivered today and guess what. When the Laser printer kicks in the PC no longer turns off :) So I guess the surge protection on the old UPS is not up to scratch :-) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:45 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] UPS Deals? Gary, I know money is tight. Ups's are costly. But, look at the APC Back-Ups brand. Someone on our list uses the Smart-UPS level boxes. I could never justify the expense (~$100). I use APC's 1500KVA LCD toys now. Replacements for 1100KVA units (1998). I think APC may offer 1000VA and 750VA choices. Sales come and go. Understand. What is your data/LAN worth? For sure, I think you need at least 1000KVA for what you have in your study; as you have it wired ATM. JMHO. Best, Duncan On 02/18/2010 17:15, Hunter, Gary wrote: I haven't found any spectacular deals yet. Who knows I may well end up waiting that long :) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:58 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] UPS Deals? I look around on Black Friday sales, or right after Christmas. I try to get at least 4 at those times. Sorry, I buy seasonally like that. Note: They are sometimes up to a year old, (shelf life), so I'm not sure I'm saving as much as I think*... Rick Glazier From: Hunter, Gary Does anyone know of any good deals on UPS's? I haven't bought one for many, many years and looking at the three I have they are all underpowered. I don't need top of the range just a good deal :) If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] Power Issues
Hi, I have a color laser printer (Brother HL-4040CDN) and an APC BACK_UPS ES 350 plugged into the same power outlet. A PC is hung off of the UPS along with some speakers, a harddrive and two switches. The PC is nothing special and has 450w PSU in it (can't remember the make but can look it up if it's important). So the problem is when the printer comes out of sleep mode it temporarily draws a lot more current and this causes the PC to shut down. I am assuming I have a problem with the UPS maybe a bad battery, but the UPS is not beeping or indicating it is bad in anyway. Am I correct in thinking the UPS is bad, or could it be a combination of a bad power outlet and a bad UPS? I am thinking when there is the increased current draw it delivers all the power to the top socket and the bottom doesn't get any. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gary Hunter Enterpise Architect Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Power Issues
Sorry I don't think I explained this well. The printer is plugged directly into the wall not the UPS. The UPS certainly couldn't handle the printer. But the UPS and the printer use the same socket which has two outlets. X - Printer X - UPS with everything else (forgot to mention also have a 22inch Acer LCD monitor in the UPS) I will get an extension cord and plug the printer in elsewhere for a test and see what that does. I'll keep you posted. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues Gary, Interesting problem. a) I think that your UPS is too small (in capacity and available wattage) for everything you have plugged into it. I'll assume your ups is the ES350G. It is only capable of 200W (?sustained?). Certainly your PC does not idle at 200W; still, when the printer comes on, the ups may not be able to react to the large load spike of the printer and still supply enough oomph for its' attached devices (PC, speakers, switches). I have noticed that my two oldest PCs that use last generation PSU's still record 120W-133W on their Back-Ups 1500LCD on startup. Both PCs typically idle at the 100W-115W level. By contrast, my three C2D machines w/new 600W psus rarely exceed 70W on startup, and, frequently idle in the 30W-40W range. These new +80 psus are much more efficient to my view. b) Your printer specs at 20W (sleep), 85W (awake), and, 510W (printing). That 510W is ~1/3 of the total available wattage of the duplex outlet (1800W). I'd put the printer on another power outlet (fused line) than the ups for startersas a test. JMHO. YMMV. Best, Duncan On 02/14/2010 11:07, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I have a color laser printer (Brother HL-4040CDN) and an APC BACK_UPS ES 350 plugged into the same power outlet. A PC is hung off of the UPS along with some speakers, a harddrive and two switches. The PC is nothing special and has 450w PSU in it (can't remember the make but can look it up if it's important). So the problem is when the printer comes out of sleep mode it temporarily draws a lot more current and this causes the PC to shut down. I am assuming I have a problem with the UPS maybe a bad battery, but the UPS is not beeping or indicating it is bad in anyway. Am I correct in thinking the UPS is bad, or could it be a combination of a bad power outlet and a bad UPS? I am thinking when there is the increased current draw it delivers all the power to the top socket and the bottom doesn't get any. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gary Hunter Enterpise Architect Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Power Issues
Why didn't I think of number 1 LOL I unplug it and the computer switches off. The UPS then beeps to indicate no power. So I guess the battery in the UPS is enough to keep it's monitoring up but not the PC. I am still wondering if the socket is bad though. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Richard Quilhot Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues 1. Test the ups by unpluging it. If the computer shuts down, the ups is bad. 2. If ups had USB cable running to the PC, you might have auto shut down enabled. On 2/14/10, Hunter, Gary gary.hun...@travelport.com wrote: Hi, I have a color laser printer (Brother HL-4040CDN) and an APC BACK_UPS ES 350 plugged into the same power outlet. A PC is hung off of the UPS along with some speakers, a harddrive and two switches. The PC is nothing special and has 450w PSU in it (can't remember the make but can look it up if it's important). So the problem is when the printer comes out of sleep mode it temporarily draws a lot more current and this causes the PC to shut down. I am assuming I have a problem with the UPS maybe a bad battery, but the UPS is not beeping or indicating it is bad in anyway. Am I correct in thinking the UPS is bad, or could it be a combination of a bad power outlet and a bad UPS? I am thinking when there is the increased current draw it delivers all the power to the top socket and the bottom doesn't get any. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gary Hunter Enterpise Architect Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. -- Sent from my mobile device Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A. quilh...@gmail.com If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Power Issues
IH Duncan, You may have read my response To Richard, I have confirmed the UPS battery is bad. But how can I test the socket without just switching it out? Thanks to both of you for your help. Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues Gary, Interesting problem. a) I think that your UPS is too small (in capacity and available wattage) for everything you have plugged into it. I'll assume your ups is the ES350G. It is only capable of 200W (?sustained?). Certainly your PC does not idle at 200W; still, when the printer comes on, the ups may not be able to react to the large load spike of the printer and still supply enough oomph for its' attached devices (PC, speakers, switches). I have noticed that my two oldest PCs that use last generation PSU's still record 120W-133W on their Back-Ups 1500LCD on startup. Both PCs typically idle at the 100W-115W level. By contrast, my three C2D machines w/new 600W psus rarely exceed 70W on startup, and, frequently idle in the 30W-40W range. These new +80 psus are much more efficient to my view. b) Your printer specs at 20W (sleep), 85W (awake), and, 510W (printing). That 510W is ~1/3 of the total available wattage of the duplex outlet (1800W). I'd put the printer on another power outlet (fused line) than the ups for startersas a test. JMHO. YMMV. Best, Duncan On 02/14/2010 11:07, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I have a color laser printer (Brother HL-4040CDN) and an APC BACK_UPS ES 350 plugged into the same power outlet. A PC is hung off of the UPS along with some speakers, a harddrive and two switches. The PC is nothing special and has 450w PSU in it (can't remember the make but can look it up if it's important). So the problem is when the printer comes out of sleep mode it temporarily draws a lot more current and this causes the PC to shut down. I am assuming I have a problem with the UPS maybe a bad battery, but the UPS is not beeping or indicating it is bad in anyway. Am I correct in thinking the UPS is bad, or could it be a combination of a bad power outlet and a bad UPS? I am thinking when there is the increased current draw it delivers all the power to the top socket and the bottom doesn't get any. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gary Hunter Enterpise Architect Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Power Issues
OK thanks, I bought the UPS very cheaply many years back so I agree I probably am overloading it. I should probably move the monitor off to a surge protector as it doesn't need to be on the UPS, and just hang the PC off the UPS. A new battery is on order it was only $17 :) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:47 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues I'm pretty sure the receptacle is fine. I suspect that the instant-on fuser of the laser is dropping the voltage momentarily, causing your UPS to transfer to battery, at which time it fails because your battery is shot. You could check the UPS to see if it has adjustments for transfer voltage to make it stay on-line during that momentary drop caused by the fuser, but the ES series units look fairly spartan in terms of adjustments. It's also possible that you're overloading the UPS. The Back-UPS ES 350 is only good for 200 watts. While your typical basic PC probably doesn't exceed this at idle, it's possible that with a monitor and some other items that it could be. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:21 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues Why didn't I think of number 1 LOL I unplug it and the computer switches off. The UPS then beeps to indicate no power. So I guess the battery in the UPS is enough to keep it's monitoring up but not the PC. I am still wondering if the socket is bad though. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] UPS Deals?
Hi, Does anyone know of any good deals on UPS's? I haven't bought one for many, many years and looking at the three I have they are all underpowered. I don't need top of the range just a good deal :) Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Power Issues
Hi Duncan, OK Now I really have to admit how dumb I am. Good call the PC was on the surge protector only side :( Problem now is when I put the PC on the UPS side it draws too much current and trips. It is certainly time to buy some bigger UPS's In my other email I was talking about the wall socket. I still don't understand how one socket can starve the other one of power even during a surge. I would more expect the fuse box to trip. This is on a 15amp circuit. Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:01 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues Gary, I did understand your plug arrangement. Did not read the printer plugged into the ups. Most ups docs say not to do this. You may have your PC plugged into a surge-only outlet on the ups. I did this twice!! Think you may have surge-only outlets and BBU outlets. Sorry, did not look at the outputs of the 350G. Best, Duncan On 02/14/2010 12:21, Hunter, Gary wrote: Why didn't I think of number 1 LOL I unplug it and the computer switches off. The UPS then beeps to indicate no power. So I guess the battery in the UPS is enough to keep it's monitoring up but not the PC. I am still wondering if the socket is bad though. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Richard Quilhot Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues 1. Test the ups by unpluging it. If the computer shuts down, the ups is bad. 2. If ups had USB cable running to the PC, you might have auto shut down enabled. On 2/14/10, Hunter, Garygary.hun...@travelport.com wrote: Hi, I have a color laser printer (Brother HL-4040CDN) and an APC BACK_UPS ES 350 plugged into the same power outlet. A PC is hung off of the UPS along with some speakers, a harddrive and two switches. The PC is nothing special and has 450w PSU in it (can't remember the make but can look it up if it's important). So the problem is when the printer comes out of sleep mode it temporarily draws a lot more current and this causes the PC to shut down. I am assuming I have a problem with the UPS maybe a bad battery, but the UPS is not beeping or indicating it is bad in anyway. Am I correct in thinking the UPS is bad, or could it be a combination of a bad power outlet and a bad UPS? I am thinking when there is the increased current draw it delivers all the power to the top socket and the bottom doesn't get any. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Gary Hunter Enterpise Architect Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Power Issues
Many thanks Duncan, this certainly helps. You have certainly made me think today :) I have a new battery on its way for this UPS, and I'll keep an eye out for some good deals on more powerful ones. I guess it's time to buy one of the meters that reads power usage so I can gauge accurately how much power each PC is using. I bet my study must be getting close to 1800w when everything is running. It might be time to upgrade to a 20amp circuit in this room or install a second 15amp circuit to run half the room. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:34 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues Gary, Please step back and have a good laugh at yourself. I have done this surge-only mistake many times!! LOL! And, even after doing the 1st time, I repeated that same mistake 2 more times.. :) You are NOT dumb! Yes, I would suspect that the PC along with everything else might cause the ups to trip off. Guess what, I have done this also! LOL! (And, then spent 2 days trying to comprehend why this stupid ups did not work properly!!) . :) OK, about the wall socket, I suppose I will defer to the pro electricians of this list. But. All I know is that any given (from the fuse box) 15A circuit allow only 1800W max to be drawn; regardless of what may be on that circuit. The socket is probably not the error. (Well, unless it is being fed from two different circuit branches; and if so this socket has the tabs cut and there are 2 feed lines in the wall box.).For now, never-mind!! OK? Again, I'll defer to the pros here; I'm still learning by doing/repairing! In any case, all the stuff plugged in on any given line all draw power from the same CB/Fuse. I'm told this is 1800W on a 15A circuit. I limit my home 15A circuits to ~1200W max. Just me. Don't think it is a starve like condition. But, when you start to get near the max that your 15A circuit can sustain, weird stuff starts to happen. Any sudden spikes (demands) ripple up and down the whole chain. Like the next outlet in the same wall plug. Greg is correct! Laser printer fuser's still have really ugly power demands when they fire up! It is the nature of the beast sadly. And, why I run my simple b/w laser printer direct to the wall! I let it argue for 'trons' with the coffee machine and a pair of RS1500LCD APCs. This branch never draws 9A; even on a bad day. A dead battery in the ups causes the ups to expend lots of energy trying to charge up a battery that, in this case, will never charge. In this scene, the poor ups just does not have any reserve to help feed the PC and the other stuff plugged into it. At least, that is what I have seen through 2 failed battery sessions! Again, I will leave this science to the experts. Just sharing what I've seen here and what I know about home AC business. I do so hope this helps. If not, I have a simple visual of a glass and water to help explain my focus. It is JMHO. Best, Duncan On 02/14/2010 16:04, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi Duncan, OK Now I really have to admit how dumb I am. Good call the PC was on the surge protector only side :( Problem now is when I put the PC on the UPS side it draws too much current and trips. It is certainly time to buy some bigger UPS's In my other email I was talking about the wall socket. I still don't understand how one socket can starve the other one of power even during a surge. I would more expect the fuse box to trip. This is on a 15amp circuit. Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:01 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues Gary, I did understand your plug arrangement. Did not read the printer plugged into the ups. Most ups docs say not to do this. You may have your PC plugged into a surge-only outlet on the ups. I did this twice!! Think you may have surge-only outlets and BBU outlets. Sorry, did not look at the outputs of the 350G. Best, Duncan On 02/14/2010 12:21, Hunter, Gary wrote: Why didn't I think of number 1 LOL I unplug it and the computer switches off. The UPS then beeps to indicate no power. So I guess the battery in the UPS is enough to keep it's monitoring up but not the PC. I am still wondering if the socket is bad though. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Richard Quilhot Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Power Issues 1. Test the ups by unpluging it. If the computer shuts down, the ups is bad. 2. If ups had USB cable running to the PC, you might have auto shut down enabled. On 2/14/10, Hunter, Garygary.hun...@travelport.com
Re: [H] Power Issues
A new batt will make the UPS happy. It will not solve the load problem! Yep, I understand that. I will just move it to something less power hungry. Mind you I'm surprised trips it. There is not much in it. Is your whole study on ONE 15A branch line? If so, your future thought/plan is a very good one. Pooter stuff is power hungry still. Yep, and it will only get worse :) Thanks again for your help. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] SSD question
Rick is 100% correct. You need to read up on it a little more. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD question That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds? If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Laptop brand advice?
I have had great luck with Acer, we currently have 4 in the family and all are doing great. I had an overheating issue on one but it was fixed quickly under warrenty. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Naushad, Zulfiqar Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Laptop brand advice? The reason I'm leary towards acer is because I had one and in exactly 1 year the power circuitry on the mobo got fried. :( Just out of warranty too. Over 1000 dollars down the drain! -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:01 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Laptop brand advice? At 12:57 AM 11/8/2009, you wrote: Anything other than acer? not in that price range.. unless you find a really good sale On Nov 8, 2009 10:30 AM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: At 11:14 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote: I'm looking to get my 4 year old daughter a laptop also. A... You can get a lot for 400 with an ACER. You will be really surprised just how feature rich you can buy for around 400. Lots of sales. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Installing 600m Cover Assembly
Last time I took a laptop to bits (back in 2002), it was an old Dell Inspiron 5000, Dell had all the instructions for assembly/disassembly on their web site. It was very easy with the instructions. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of GPL Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:16 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Installing 600m Cover Assembly I've done the research and discovered the Control Power Button Cover Assembly is the part that is broken on my Inspiron 600m old laptop. Anyone ever take one of these apart and put them together? I've worked on many a PC tower but nothing really on laptops. Its broken on the left hinge where there are two screws now exposed and broken plastic. All still works but the LCD is not very stable and looks lousy. Am I supposed to completely open the laptop to get at this area or is there an easier path to replacing this cover assembly? Pictures available upon request. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem
I thought as much, but I didn't know if anyone had cobbled up a software raid controller for WD testing (couldn't find one but you guys seem to have all the answers). I'll connect them to my desktop tonight and see if one of the drives is indeed bad. I hadn't even considered that I just assumed a controller problem. Thanks -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:59 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem I imagine the RAID-0 is being done by the MyBook enclosure, thus making ruling out attaching the drives to another controller. This is the main caveat of RAID-0 since recovery is (near?) impossible given data is stripped across both drives. *IF* the problem is not the drives, the assumption would be that dropping them into another mybook enclosure might allow recovery. Same goes if the RAID is being done by the host PC vs. enclosure. You could attach them to a desktop PC's SATA controller to be able to run WD diagnostics in non-destructive mode to verify one drive is bad. Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I have a Western digital 1TB My Book Pro II which all of a sudden won't power on. When I insert the power cable in the back the light flashes on but that is it. When I hit the reset button the light also comes on but then nothing. This unit has 2x500GB drives. I have them configured in raid 0 to utilize the whole disk. I want to recover the data before RMAing it to WD. Is there some software raid I can use and directly plug them into my desktop's SATA connection? I am assuming if I bought another drive of the same model off ebay I could just switch the drives and recover the data. If I had to buy another drive I would rather get a newer 2TB version. Is it a bad idea to assume I could put the drives into the 2TB chasis and expect them to work? Or (I know this is a long shot) does anyone have one of these drives that they are willing to take apart and put my drives in to recover the data? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem
Thanks Tim, I don't think there is any important data on the drive. It's mainly TV progs from the UK so I don't want to spend a great deal to get the data back (I'll keep you in mind though). I'll do the WD diagnostics this evening and see how it goes. I'll post an update later. The WD indeed stripes across the 2 disks not sure on the data chunk size though. I'll have to dig a little deeper. From your note am I to believe that striping across the disks is generic and there probably isn't a manufacturer specific algorithm? This is interesting as I just assumed it would be proprietary. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:17 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hello Gary, This might work. Although, I would pull t hem out and see if each drive works correctly. Do not expect to get the data off that way. Most 2 disk RAID 0 systems use 128kB stripe, you can use a recovery software like r-tools to recover the data if the drives work. If one of the drives do not work, you're basically screwed. Well not really, there is always me trolling the list :) Regards and good luck, Tim Lider Sr. Data Recovery Specialist Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hi, I have a Western digital 1TB My Book Pro II which all of a sudden won't power on. When I insert the power cable in the back the light flashes on but that is it. When I hit the reset button the light also comes on but then nothing. This unit has 2x500GB drives. I have them configured in raid 0 to utilize the whole disk. I want to recover the data before RMAing it to WD. Is there some software raid I can use and directly plug them into my desktop's SATA connection? I am assuming if I bought another drive of the same model off ebay I could just switch the drives and recover the data. If I had to buy another drive I would rather get a newer 2TB version. Is it a bad idea to assume I could put the drives into the 2TB chasis and expect them to work? Or (I know this is a long shot) does anyone have one of these drives that they are willing to take apart and put my drives in to recover the data? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem
Hi Tim, Does R-Studio do the RAID0 or would I need R-Studio Technician? I couldn't find a side by side comparison of the features. I don't mind getting the $79.99 version but this date is not worth $899 :) I am going to download the demo and test it but just wondered if you knew? Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:27 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Thanks Tim, I don't think there is any important data on the drive. It's mainly TV progs from the UK so I don't want to spend a great deal to get the data back (I'll keep you in mind though). I'll do the WD diagnostics this evening and see how it goes. I'll post an update later. The WD indeed stripes across the 2 disks not sure on the data chunk size though. I'll have to dig a little deeper. From your note am I to believe that striping across the disks is generic and there probably isn't a manufacturer specific algorithm? This is interesting as I just assumed it would be proprietary. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:17 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hello Gary, This might work. Although, I would pull t hem out and see if each drive works correctly. Do not expect to get the data off that way. Most 2 disk RAID 0 systems use 128kB stripe, you can use a recovery software like r-tools to recover the data if the drives work. If one of the drives do not work, you're basically screwed. Well not really, there is always me trolling the list :) Regards and good luck, Tim Lider Sr. Data Recovery Specialist Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hi, I have a Western digital 1TB My Book Pro II which all of a sudden won't power on. When I insert the power cable in the back the light flashes on but that is it. When I hit the reset button the light also comes on but then nothing. This unit has 2x500GB drives. I have them configured in raid 0 to utilize the whole disk. I want to recover the data before RMAing it to WD. Is there some software raid I can use and directly plug them into my desktop's SATA connection? I am assuming if I bought another drive of the same model off ebay I could just switch the drives and recover the data. If I had to buy another drive I would rather get a newer 2TB version. Is it a bad idea to assume I could put the drives into the 2TB chasis and expect them to work? Or (I know this is a long shot) does anyone have one of these drives that they are willing to take apart and put my drives in to recover the data? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility
Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem
OK I managed to get 15 mins free and took a further look. I am not sure if this is a RAID issue or whether my disk is toast. So the WD labels the disk A and B. When I add disk A to the desktop the PC boots fine, when I add disk B Io get a generic hard disk error thrown from the BIOS check. Is this because of something in the MBR for disk B, I had always assumed each disk would be initialized as a normal disk but now I am thinking that maybe the RAID only initializes disk A but writes something special to disk B. I did swap the controller boards in case something was bad there but there was no change. The drive does seem to spin up and there are no nasty noises. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:57 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hi Tim, Does R-Studio do the RAID0 or would I need R-Studio Technician? I couldn't find a side by side comparison of the features. I don't mind getting the $79.99 version but this date is not worth $899 :) I am going to download the demo and test it but just wondered if you knew? Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:27 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Thanks Tim, I don't think there is any important data on the drive. It's mainly TV progs from the UK so I don't want to spend a great deal to get the data back (I'll keep you in mind though). I'll do the WD diagnostics this evening and see how it goes. I'll post an update later. The WD indeed stripes across the 2 disks not sure on the data chunk size though. I'll have to dig a little deeper. From your note am I to believe that striping across the disks is generic and there probably isn't a manufacturer specific algorithm? This is interesting as I just assumed it would be proprietary. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:17 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hello Gary, This might work. Although, I would pull t hem out and see if each drive works correctly. Do not expect to get the data off that way. Most 2 disk RAID 0 systems use 128kB stripe, you can use a recovery software like r-tools to recover the data if the drives work. If one of the drives do not work, you're basically screwed. Well not really, there is always me trolling the list :) Regards and good luck, Tim Lider Sr. Data Recovery Specialist Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hi, I have a Western digital 1TB My Book Pro II which all of a sudden won't power on. When I insert the power cable in the back the light flashes on but that is it. When I hit the reset button the light also comes on but then nothing. This unit has 2x500GB drives. I have them configured in raid 0 to utilize the whole disk. I want to recover the data before RMAing it to WD. Is there some software raid I can use and directly plug them into my desktop's SATA connection? I am assuming if I bought another drive of the same model off ebay I could just switch the drives and recover the data. If I had to buy another drive I would rather get a newer 2TB version. Is it a bad idea to assume I could put the drives into the 2TB chasis and expect them to work? Or (I know this is a long shot) does anyone have one of these drives that they are willing to take apart and put my drives in to recover the data? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm
Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem
Thanks again Tim, I did this and downloaded the demo version of RStudio. It seems a cool app unfortunately neither the OS or BIOS saw the second drive so I think it is a physical issue with the drive :( I'll RMA it and forget about the data :( -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:17 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hello Gary, Does the computer see both drives in the CMOS Boot up part? If so, then they work hardware wise. Now. Just put both together on a working computer and raid them together with RStudio and go for it. Regards, Tim Lider Sr. Data Recovery Specialist Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:22 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem OK I managed to get 15 mins free and took a further look. I am not sure if this is a RAID issue or whether my disk is toast. So the WD labels the disk A and B. When I add disk A to the desktop the PC boots fine, when I add disk B Io get a generic hard disk error thrown from the BIOS check. Is this because of something in the MBR for disk B, I had always assumed each disk would be initialized as a normal disk but now I am thinking that maybe the RAID only initializes disk A but writes something special to disk B. I did swap the controller boards in case something was bad there but there was no change. The drive does seem to spin up and there are no nasty noises. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:57 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hi Tim, Does R-Studio do the RAID0 or would I need R-Studio Technician? I couldn't find a side by side comparison of the features. I don't mind getting the $79.99 version but this date is not worth $899 :) I am going to download the demo and test it but just wondered if you knew? Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:27 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Thanks Tim, I don't think there is any important data on the drive. It's mainly TV progs from the UK so I don't want to spend a great deal to get the data back (I'll keep you in mind though). I'll do the WD diagnostics this evening and see how it goes. I'll post an update later. The WD indeed stripes across the 2 disks not sure on the data chunk size though. I'll have to dig a little deeper. From your note am I to believe that striping across the disks is generic and there probably isn't a manufacturer specific algorithm? This is interesting as I just assumed it would be proprietary. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:17 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hello Gary, This might work. Although, I would pull t hem out and see if each drive works correctly. Do not expect to get the data off that way. Most 2 disk RAID 0 systems use 128kB stripe, you can use a recovery software like r-tools to recover the data if the drives work. If one of the drives do not work, you're basically screwed. Well not really, there is always me trolling the list :) Regards and good luck, Tim Lider Sr. Data Recovery Specialist Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Western Digital My Book problem Hi, I have a Western digital 1TB My Book Pro II which all of a sudden won't power on. When I insert the power cable in the back the light flashes on but that is it. When I hit the reset button the light also comes on but then nothing. This unit has 2x500GB drives. I have them configured in raid 0 to utilize the whole disk. I want to recover the data before RMAing it to WD. Is there some software raid I can use and directly plug them into my desktop's SATA connection? I am assuming if I bought another drive of the same model off ebay I could just switch the drives and recover the data. If I had to buy another drive I would rather get a newer 2TB
[H] Western Digital My Book problem
Hi, I have a Western digital 1TB My Book Pro II which all of a sudden won't power on. When I insert the power cable in the back the light flashes on but that is it. When I hit the reset button the light also comes on but then nothing. This unit has 2x500GB drives. I have them configured in raid 0 to utilize the whole disk. I want to recover the data before RMAing it to WD. Is there some software raid I can use and directly plug them into my desktop's SATA connection? I am assuming if I bought another drive of the same model off ebay I could just switch the drives and recover the data. If I had to buy another drive I would rather get a newer 2TB version. Is it a bad idea to assume I could put the drives into the 2TB chasis and expect them to work? Or (I know this is a long shot) does anyone have one of these drives that they are willing to take apart and put my drives in to recover the data? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Water-cooling
Update: Yesterday I moved the case out from under my desk to the side of the desk and it is even better :-) I am now overclocking the Q6600 mildly to Q6700 speeds and the CPU temp is staying in the low 40's C even under load. Woo hoo :-) Thanks for all the help and saving me $500. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:55 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling Looks good. 7 Degrees C is something that helps out. Make it so that the power supply blows air out to the rear of the case. Also try to make it so there is no or hardly any interruption in the air flow from the front of the case thru the power supply. My next case is going to be either TJ09 or TJ10 from Silverstone. If I get the TJ10. I'll get he ESA version of it. Good luck, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:54 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Well I didn't get much time to play but the temps have dropped by about 7degrees C just by moving turning some fans around. Here is what I have now, I hope it makes sense. Side 1 --O-- | FD | ox2 I HD i | HD i | HD i | CD | | | |PSU| | | | OCpu | V | V II i | i - Other side --O-- |FD | i HD O | i HD | i HD| |DVD| | | |---PSU | | | | Cpu | | V i V i | - Key: HD = Hard disc FD = Floppy disc V = Video i/o = 80mm fans except in front of HD which are 30mm I/O = 120mm fans One point to note and I hadn't really paid any attention to this before but the new PSU is so long it separates the bottom of the case from the top. The 120mm exhaust fan above the CPU seems to be doing the job for the bottom of the case now that I have proper air flow. No crashes so far, but I still may look at getting a different case eventually to allow for full case airflow. Thanks for all the help, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Water-cooling
Hi, Well I didn't get much time to play but the temps have dropped by about 7degrees C just by moving turning some fans around. Here is what I have now, I hope it makes sense. Side 1 --O-- | FD | ox2 I HD i | HD i | HD i | CD | | | |PSU| | | | OCpu | V | V II i | i - Other side --O-- |FD | i HD O | i HD | i HD| |DVD| | | |---PSU | | | | Cpu | | V i V i | - Key: HD = Hard disc FD = Floppy disc V = Video i/o = 80mm fans except in front of HD which are 30mm I/O = 120mm fans One point to note and I hadn't really paid any attention to this before but the new PSU is so long it separates the bottom of the case from the top. The 120mm exhaust fan above the CPU seems to be doing the job for the bottom of the case now that I have proper air flow. No crashes so far, but I still may look at getting a different case eventually to allow for full case airflow. Thanks for all the help, Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:00 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I would have air going towards the inside of the case to put the air on the components. Have air move out of the case can lead a void spot where there is no air flow. Here's an example of my case: --O-- | | | I | | Video | | | | CPU O | | I HD's PSO - So air goes thru the hard drives to the power supply and out the bottom. Air comes in from the front of the case over to the CPU FAN then out the back. Air is pushed into the case at the Video Card area and is pulled out in a Blow Hole on the top of the case. This works very well in my case. I do use a 680i Asus motherboard, A Zalman CPN9600 CPU fan, an Asus 8800GTX video card. There is no cabling in the way of the components. Even the power supply is kept neatly. BTW, the power Supply is a PC Power Cooling Silencer 750. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:56 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling All the fans are pushing the air away from the case. Should I have some pulling air in and some pushing it out to create more of a flow across the components? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:59 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling The fans on the side door of the case can be a problem. You have the air going out or going in there? If the air is going outward try making the air move inward. This way the air is being pushed from the back of the case. I would also make sure the fans on the rear of the case is moving air to the back of the case. If you have to, make those move at a higher RPM. Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling My case is very well ventilated using Scythe 12cm fans It's a full tower case and has the fans in this configuration on the side of the case: | | | X | | | | X | | | | X X | | | - The back of the case has two 8CM fans at the top sucking out air ___ | | | X X | | | | | | | | | | | --- The Case isn't too load because the fans are all Scythe Inside the case the cables are relatively tidy, but I would have thought the fans on the side of the case should be moving enough hot air out. The power supply may well be an issue. I may try to take some photo's at the weekend if I have time to help show you the actual configuration. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its
Re: [H] Water-cooling
My case is very well ventilated using Scythe 12cm fans It's a full tower case and has the fans in this configuration on the side of the case: | | | X | | | | X | | | | X X | | | - The back of the case has two 8CM fans at the top sucking out air ___ | | | X X | | | | | | | | | | | --- The Case isn't too load because the fans are all Scythe Inside the case the cables are relatively tidy, but I would have thought the fans on the side of the case should be moving enough hot air out. The power supply may well be an issue. I may try to take some photo's at the weekend if I have time to help show you the actual configuration. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:58 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling Look into your case and make sure your airflow is working well. This means get the power supply cables and mother board cables out of the middle of the case and try to hide them. Also, put some quality fans in the case, may make it loud once the fans turn on full, but at least it will keep the components cool. Another thing you may want to look at is the power supply. Make sure it is moving air thru it and keeping cool. Why? The hotter the power supply the less power the power supply will give to your computer components. Good example of computer wiring: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImagefriendID= 1157 08980albumID=1538791imageID=18943098 http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImagefriendID= 1157 08980albumID=1538791imageID=18943150 My current computer is not photographed. Those above are not my current computer. On the next computer rebuild I'll take photos and post them. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:20 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its
Re: [H] Water-cooling
Any suggestions on a utility that will keep a log file? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:59 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I would run a utility to record GPU temps while gaming to gauge what kind of heat you are outputing before crashing. The 9600GT's run relatively cool and again I seriously doubt heat is causing the issue. What NV driver are you using? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:19:41 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Local e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Back to work after baby-how do you know when you're ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid =5797498ocid=T067MSN40A0701A If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify
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It's just a bog standard full tower with lots of fans. It's not inverted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling What's your case? Most (all?) of the 680/780i designs I've seen made pretty extensive use of heatpipe coolers. If your case uses an inverted mount, like a number of Lian Li cases do, those heat pipes don't work worth a damn. They supposedly have a wick inside to allow for inverted operation, but on my 680i (before I replaced it with a wonderful P35), I had stability problems that were heat related until I went water (and some after, but that's 680i for you). I strongly believe it was due to heat caused by ineffective heatpipes when in my inverted-design Lian Li case. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Loca l e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient
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Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:58 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1194 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:33:03 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling Any suggestions on a utility that will keep a log file? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:59 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I would run a utility to record GPU temps while gaming to gauge what kind of heat you are outputing before crashing. The 9600GT's run relatively cool and again I seriously doubt heat is causing the issue. What NV driver are you using? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:19:41 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Local e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to
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All the fans are pushing the air away from the case. Should I have some pulling air in and some pushing it out to create more of a flow across the components? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:59 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling The fans on the side door of the case can be a problem. You have the air going out or going in there? If the air is going outward try making the air move inward. This way the air is being pushed from the back of the case. I would also make sure the fans on the rear of the case is moving air to the back of the case. If you have to, make those move at a higher RPM. Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling My case is very well ventilated using Scythe 12cm fans It's a full tower case and has the fans in this configuration on the side of the case: | | | X | | | | X | | | | X X | | | - The back of the case has two 8CM fans at the top sucking out air ___ | | | X X | | | | | | | | | | | --- The Case isn't too load because the fans are all Scythe Inside the case the cables are relatively tidy, but I would have thought the fans on the side of the case should be moving enough hot air out. The power supply may well be an issue. I may try to take some photo's at the weekend if I have time to help show you the actual configuration. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
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OK, I'll reverse the side fans and see what difference it makes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:30 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling You should have intake air from the front, exhaust through the back. The side fans typically should be intake as they are placed usually above the CPU. Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:55:50 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling All the fans are pushing the air away from the case. Should I have some pulling air in and some pushing it out to create more of a flow across the components? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:59 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling The fans on the side door of the case can be a problem. You have the air going out or going in there? If the air is going outward try making the air move inward. This way the air is being pushed from the back of the case. I would also make sure the fans on the rear of the case is moving air to the back of the case. If you have to, make those move at a higher RPM. Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling My case is very well ventilated using Scythe 12cm fans It's a full tower case and has the fans in this configuration on the side of the case: | | | X | | | | X | | | | X X | | | - The back of the case has two 8CM fans at the top sucking out air ___ | | | X X | | | | | | | | | | | --- The Case isn't too load because the fans are all Scythe Inside the case the cables are relatively tidy, but I would have thought the fans on the side of the case should be moving enough hot air out. The power supply may well be an issue. I may try to take some photo's at the weekend if I have time to help show you the actual configuration. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref resh_realtime_042008 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
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Yes I didn't mention that, I do have an 8CM fan at the front down the bottom pulling air in. Thinking about it though that has been blocked off by a box of junk I put in front of it. I will spend some time over the weekend experimenting with different configurations of air flow within the case and post the results on Monday. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:47 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling Gary, This may be very old-school, but I get the best cooling when I allow air IN from the case front and exhaust warmed air out the back of the case (Lian-Li PC-69's). Does your case have air vents in the front? If not, and all your fans are in the 'exhaust' mode, you may be trying to pull air out of a static pocket. I'd buy into what the Beave said; turn the side cover fans around to blow IN. At least this will give your case positive pressurization. Best, Duncan At 11:55 04/24/2008 -0600, you wrote: All the fans are pushing the air away from the case. Should I have some pulling air in and some pushing it out to create more of a flow across the components? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:59 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling The fans on the side door of the case can be a problem. You have the air going out or going in there? If the air is going outward try making the air move inward. This way the air is being pushed from the back of the case. I would also make sure the fans on the rear of the case is moving air to the back of the case. If you have to, make those move at a higher RPM. Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling My case is very well ventilated using Scythe 12cm fans It's a full tower case and has the fans in this configuration on the side of the case: | | | X | | | | X | | | | X X | | | - The back of the case has two 8CM fans at the top sucking out air ___ | | | X X | | | | | | | | | | | --- The Case isn't too load because the fans are all Scythe Inside the case the cables are relatively tidy, but I would have thought the fans on the side of the case should be moving enough hot air out. The power supply may well be an issue. I may try to take some photo's at the weekend if I have time to help show you the actual configuration. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Water-cooling
I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Local e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] Water-cooling
Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] nVidia 9600 SLI issues
Hi, I have an issue with 2x9600 GT SSC cards from EVGA. They have been working great up until the weekend but all of a sudden it seems that one of the cards is not working in SLI mode when I start games or 3dMark06 I get flickering displays as if some frames are missing. I don't recall installing anything that might screw this up. I tried upgrading/downgrading the drivers but there is no difference. Re-seated the cards and SLI cable, no change. I tested each card individually and both seem OK. One other thing I noticed when running the cards individually my 3dMark06 scores have dropped from 10800 to 9800 (the 10800 was an single card benchmark I had previously done not in SLI mode. The SLI score was around 12400). This setup is Asus Striker II Formula, Q6600, 4GB Ram, Coolmax 1350W PSU. I have sent in a support request to EVGA but as the list is slow I thought I would check to see if anyone has seen this before. Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive?
I'll take a look thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raul Limos Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:59 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive? On 3/21/08, Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unreal Tournament has an Invasion mode which my family play regularly. We all join one team and kill the bad guys. We just got Unreal Tournament 3 and that scenario is missing :-( Anyone know of other games where we can all join together and kill the bad guys. We find it more enjoyable than killing each other :-) Try Gears of War for Windows: http://gearsofwar.com/GearsPC/ If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive?
I wish all multiplayer games game with a multi purchase discount. UT3 was a real disappointment, we spent $150 for 3 copies just to find our favorite game was gone. We felt a little ripped off. I guess I should have done more research but I just assumed it would be there. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:36 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive? TF2 is great if you if you wanted a whole new TF. One of these days I have to download TF Forever which is a *FREE* HL2 version of the HL1 Team Fortress. BTW, Gabe challenged 15,000 (?) fans to email him to convince him a HL2-OB like release w/ an fully updated CounterStrike are wanted by the fan base.. Personally I emailed him to do that and: 1. Asked not to be fracked again for owning original previous bundles. OB left out all of the original HL2 bundle except base HL2, so even gifting is useless since there is no DM in OB. 2. Consider some kind of family account setup to allow checking out of titles from parent's account by child accounts so I'm not forced to pay multiple times for a title on 1 pc or worse let my kids on my Steam just to play OB stuff I've finished like Ep1 2 or portal. 3. Why does Steam purchase download cost more $$$ than buying in store!?!? Like who wants to pay $50/kid so they can play something that has no replay value? Multiplied by each new boxed version? Nevermind the rip-off HL2 OB package @ $85~$100 are when you can pay $100 to d/l all the HL HL2 titles! No wonder this guy is so rich fat! http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=packageSubId=478cc=US Veech wrote: Last of the three Orange Box games that I tried was Team Fortress 2. I had never gotten into online gaming but I loved Portal and Ep 2 of HL2 so I though if TF2 was half as good it would be worth investigating. Damn, it's like crack! I really am spending a lot of time right now, especially playing the Dustbowl map. Not to the point of quitting my job or anything, but it takes up almost all of my spare time. What makes this stuff so addictive? Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive?
Whilst 1) is nicest for the consumer. I think 3) is probably fairer all round. I would love it if I could pay a small additional fee for additional licenses for LAN play only. It would save me a fortune. But I guess it will never happen because we show we are prepared to pay the additional $50 for each license :-( Normally however I will buy a game when it comes out, then buy the additional copies on ebay once the process drop I rarely pay full price for the additional copies. UT3 was an exception for me as the whole family wanted it day one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:27 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive? At 11:16 AM 21/03/2008, Hunter, Gary wrote: I wish all multiplayer games game with a multi purchase discount. UT3 was a real disappointment, we spent $150 for 3 copies just to find our favorite game was gone. We felt a little ripped off. I guess I should have done more research but I just assumed it would be there. I have always argued that a multiplayer game should allow multiplay from each copy. I argued this with Activision on the Compuserve forums back in the days of Mechwarrior 2 and was successful in getting them to allow multiplayer from one copy - but I was shocked at the negative blacklash of other games, who seemed to think that paying for each copy was their duty. My argument remains the same: If I'm going to play Monopoly with four friends, I don't buy five copies. I can even see the following scenarios: 1)Single copy allows play with as many players as supported by the game on the local network (controllable by IP.) 2)Two flavours of the game - single player for $50 and multiplayer for, say, $10 more. 3)Add on multiplayer licenses for $5 a license. I think the first option is the most fair and reasonable. T If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive?
Unreal Tournament has an Invasion mode which my family play regularly. We all join one team and kill the bad guys. We just got Unreal Tournament 3 and that scenario is missing :-( Anyone know of other games where we can all join together and kill the bad guys. We find it more enjoyable than killing each other :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veech Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:03 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Why is multiplayer so addictive? Last of the three Orange Box games that I tried was Team Fortress 2. I had never gotten into online gaming but I loved Portal and Ep 2 of HL2 so I though if TF2 was half as good it would be worth investigating. Damn, it's like crack! I really am spending a lot of time right now, especially playing the Dustbowl map. Not to the point of quitting my job or anything, but it takes up almost all of my spare time. What makes this stuff so addictive? If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
From what I've read I know it should overclock well but I want to ensure I remove as much heat as possible to ensure the long life of the CPU. I have had CPU's before that have died earlier than expected that I put down to high temps of time (18-24 months). I realize I will probably have upgraded by then but you never know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:30 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo? You don't need ultimate for the Q6600 from what I've read so the Coolermaster Hyper TX2 is excellent and very inexpensive. Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?
I've Just ordered the Scythe, SCASM-1000. It's got a top facing Fan which will force the air towards the fans on the side of my case. I really think top facing fans are better in my case. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:27 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo? I'm tending towards Scythe Mugen/Infinity's at the moment. Previously I've been a big fan of the Scythe Ninja, infact, I ran an Opteron 175 @ 2.64Ghz/1.5v under one semi-passively (no fan on the HSF, good case airflow) for over a year. I even read a review of one which used an early 3Ghz Prescott (the Presshot stepping) and it ran THAT passively at about 70c.. but still.. On 11 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's for a Q6600. I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling. Thanks, Gary If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Multiple monitors from laptop
The Matrox solution is very neat I use the dual version at work with two monitors and Laptop giving the third. The Triple head solution will allow you to have 4 including the laptop. The only downside to the Matrox solution is it treats all the additional monitors (excluding notebook LCD) as one monitor so progs like Ultramon don't work as you might expect. Also the max resolution for each individual monitor is 1280x1024. I have two viewsonic 1280x1024 monitors at work and the quality is perfect. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:29 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Multiple monitors from laptop Matrox has Dual Triple head in both analog digital last time I drooled over the page. Trick is your video card has to be a able to drive a wide enough screen size to equal the total desktop size. Say 2400x600 for 3 800x600 displays Winterlight wrote: Matrox makes an external box that does this, assuming when you write three monitors, one of them is the laptop. http://www.directionsmag.com/features.php?feature_id=136 At 06:03 AM 3/8/2008, you wrote: Has anyone used three monitors from a laptop? I've been looking at this USB video card, but some reviews suggest it is slow. http://www.iogear.com/solutions/desktop/?view=61 I was thinking a PCMCIA video card might be a better choice, but I can't find any. T Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Is the Lenovo brand good anymore?
I second Acer, they are amazing at this time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:16 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Is the Lenovo brand good anymore? I've been incredibly happy with acers support. Damn near next day turn around on replacments. And Asus, though their Fedex advance is only on higher end units. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:14:24 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Is the Lenovo brand good anymore? Which low-cost laptop seller doesn't have support that sucks? Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: Chris Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Support sucks. Learned that the hard way. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Bobby Heid [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying to find a decent low-cost laptop for a friend of mine (not the AOL guy) and came across this at Office Depot: http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SKid=401515 for $579 after rebate. Is Lenovo still a good product after IBM sold the name? I know this is only has the 533MHz FSB. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
So in general, is it less risky to buy cheap RAM these days. In the past I have always bought the best because RAM issues are difficult to diagnose. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:20 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Not sure how vista works it scores but both my DDR2 machines score 5.9 in memory test. Albeit, both are running 400FSB+ (DDR2-800+) Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2008 14:10 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Here's what's funny. The most demanded ram we ship is corsair dominator series. Which (make of it what you will) pulls about a 5.3 in the vista scores when combined with a qx9650. But if I use cheap g.skill ddr2, in the exact same setup, 5.5, 5.6 is common. So far memory is the only thing that I've ever seen only 1 5.9, and that was with ddr3. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:02:21 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Used OCZ a few times, a bit hit and miss for me. I normally find Geil to be cheaper, better performing and more compatible. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 11 January 2008 13:44 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] DDR2 RAM Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. Incoming and outgoing email communications may be monitored by Clifford Chance, as permitted by applicable law and regulations. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. Clifford Chance LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England Wales under number OC323571. The firm's registered office and principal place of business is at 10 Upper Bank Street, London, E14 5JJ. For further details, including a list of members and their professional qualifications, see our website at www.cliffordchance.com. The firm uses the word 'partner' to refer to a member of Clifford Chance LLP or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. The firm is regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. The Authority's rules can be accessed by clicking on the following link: http://www.sra.org.uk/code-of-conduct.page The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized
[H] DDR2 RAM
Hi, Does anyone have experience with OCZ RAM. I got a mailing from Newegg today with this on sale for $78.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011008cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011008-_-Memory-_-E0-_-20227199 It's a steal for 4GB but when I build systems for myself I normally budget about $350 for 2 sticks of Mushkin RAM (I like Mushkin because they are based just 10 miles down the road from me so if I have issues I can just drop into their office and get it fixed). I am very tempted to get some of these but don't want to waste money on rubbish. Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] DDR2 RAM
Thanks, that's good to know. I think I'll skip the OCZ I like to buy things that will work first time. I don't have time to mess around -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:46 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] DDR2 RAM Well, there's cheap RAM and then there's cheap RAM :) Geil is cheap but isn't in anyway an economy brand, they make quality components, just at the cheaper end of the quality branded RAM range and seem to offer a lot of bang for your buck. There is no reason at all why OCZ RAM should have issues but 2 different types of their DDR2-800 RAM has had issues in 2 of my motherboards, limiting the maximum FSB I could reach (topping out WELL below the memorys rated speed) when populated with 4 sticks. Switching to 4 sticks of another RAM solved the issues and the OCZ will work at full speed in other boards..Just oddities like that which leave me thinking never again. So far Geil has worked like a charm, I have also built many systems recently with the Corsair XMS2 RAM, the corsair commands a much higher fee here in the UK though. Regards, Jason Tozer Database Analyst London Ext 1131 - 3SC.5 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] In car Navigation systems
I also have the nuvi 680, I think any one looking at that model is better off with the 660. Everytime I try to use the stupid MSN features it tells me I need to reactivate. It was such a waste of money I wish I had gone with the 660. I do like the bluetooth connectivity though it's great as a hands free speaker phone and MP3 player. I guess it's good at the GPS stuff as well LOL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:13 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] In car Navigation systems I find Garmin units the best out of all the ones I sampled (fast, accurate and up-to-date, intuitive). Had a nuvi360 (stolen) and moved to a nuvi680 (don't get it, FM traffic receiver is hardwired into the cig lighter adapter, major flaw). Read somewhere that TomTom and Google are hooking up, you can plot your path via google maps and upload it to the tomtom. Now that would be really handy. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] PS2 - USB convertors
Hi, I asked this question about 18 months ago but I thought I would ask again in case something new had come out. I have a USB keyboard and mouse that don't contain the PS2 encoding chip so they won't work with the basic USB-PS2 convertors. Are there any convertors that include the PS2 encoding chip so that I could use these USB items on my PS2 KVM. Thanks, Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Ultra quiet fans
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=bezugsquellen This will give you: Acoustic PC 8300 West Flagler Street Suite 113 33144 Miami USA Tel.: 305 383-5511 Fax: 305 488- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.acousticpc.com Best Byte Computers, Inc. 21211 Park Tree Katy, TX 77450-4029 USA Tel.: (877) 767-2983 Fax: (281) 829-9715 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.bestbyteinc.com Coolerguys.com 11630 Slater Ave NE, Suite 6 WA 98034 Kirkland USA Tel.: 425-821-6400 Fax: 425-821-6464 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.coolerguys.com CoolTechPC.com 11912 NE 95th St., STE 360 WA 98682 Vancouver USA Tel.: 360-882-1883 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cooltechpc.com Endpcnoise.com 11912 NE 95th St., STE 360 WA 98682 Vancouver USA Tel.: 360-882-1883 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.endpcnoise.com FrozenCPU.com, Inc. 128 Turk Hill Office Park 14450 Fairport, NY USA Tel.: 1.877.243.8266 Fax: 1.585.425.2813 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.frozencpu.com HeatsinkFactory.com 14271 Jeffrey Rd. #14 CA 92620 Irvine USA www.heatsinkfactory.com JAB Computers 9720 Kelley John Lane 74857 Newalla OK USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jab-tech.com Moddersmart.com 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd #192 87124 Rio Rancho, NM USA Tel.: 505-715-MODS www.moddersmart.com Performance PC's, Inc. 2600 Kirby Cr. NE, Unit #1 FL 32905 Palm Bay USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.performance-pcs.com Quiet PC USA P.O. Box 288, Chicago Park 95712 California USA Tel.: (530) 274-7766 Fax: (530) 274-7702 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.quietpcusa.com Severity6PC.com USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.severity6pc.com SFFStore.com 2514 Ridge Rd VA 24060 Blacksburg USA Tel.: (540) 953-5501 store.sffclub.com Sharka Computers 16182 Gothard Street (Unit L) Huntington 92647 USA Tel.: (714) 375-0275 Fax: (714) 375-0331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sharkacomputers.com Sidewinder Computers PO Box 1301 IN 46142 Greenwood USA Tel.: 1-317-888-0949 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sidewindercomputers.com Xoxide.com 2350 Yellow Springs Rd 19355 Malvern, PA USA Tel.: (610) 251-1672 Fax: (610) 251-0263 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.xoxide.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:02 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] Ultra quiet fans Nice fans. I could be convinced to try them. Is there a retail site to get the 80mm kits? I need 20 of them just to retrofit my boxes.Hmm. All I get from google are reviews. Best, Duncan At 09:51 08/30/2007 -0400, you wrote: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article695-page4.html Even silentpc review gives it the thumbs up, which is a *very* conclusive validation of it's silent operation claims. From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Ultra quiet fans Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:28:52 -0300 Not silent, but I guess fans never are. http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/noctua_nfs_fans/index.shtml T _ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] USB to Network printer server
Hi, I'm after a convertor to convert my USB/Firewire Epson R1800 into a network printer. I see a lot of choices but some reviews mention that they corrupt large documents due to lack of memory which worries me as I will be printing large pictures regularly. Does anyone know of a good review site that does some side by side comparisons? Or does anyone have any first hand experience of these? Also if there is a good one that will also convert a USB hard drive into NAS that would be a nice bonus :-) Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Galileo by Travelport T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galileo International Limited. Registered Office: Axis One, Axis Park, 10 Hurricane Way, Langley, Berkshire, SL3 8AG Registered in England and Wales, No 1254977 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] Vista Install issues
Hi, I have just started putting together my new upgrades and I'm having problems with the first PC. This one has an A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, 1GB of Mushkin Ram, AMD X2 4200, EVGA 8800 GTS. Vista installs but every time I install the NVIDIA video drivers it hangs on reboot. Has any one else seen this issue? I tried to Google it but didn't come up with anything similar. Thanks, Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Vista Install issues
Thanks Thane, The bios is my next job. I happens with 2 different A8N32's so hopefully it's not a hradware issue. I have tested the card in XP and it seems to be OK running 3D Mark without issue for 30mins. Also forgot to mention it's Vista 32bit not 64bit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:33 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Vista Install issues At 02:10 PM 14/08/2007, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I have just started putting together my new upgrades and I'm having problems with the first PC. This one has an A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, 1GB of Mushkin Ram, AMD X2 4200, EVGA 8800 GTS. Vista installs but every time I install the NVIDIA video drivers it hangs on reboot. Has any one else seen this issue? I tried to Google it but didn't come up with anything similar. I've seen machines hang on warm boot when there is a problem with the video card/slot. I'd update the BIOS. T The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Vista Install issues
Got the latest BIOS but it's still doing the same thing it leaves this on the screen: Checking file system on C: The volume is clean. Windows has finished checking the disk. The HD LED then stays on for a long time and intermittently comes on and off, but even if I leave the PC for 30mins nothing comes up. XP Pro installs fine. I'm about to give up on Vista unless I get some inspiration :-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:59 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] Vista Install issues Thanks Thane, The bios is my next job. I happens with 2 different A8N32's so hopefully it's not a hradware issue. I have tested the card in XP and it seems to be OK running 3D Mark without issue for 30mins. Also forgot to mention it's Vista 32bit not 64bit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:33 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Vista Install issues At 02:10 PM 14/08/2007, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I have just started putting together my new upgrades and I'm having problems with the first PC. This one has an A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, 1GB of Mushkin Ram, AMD X2 4200, EVGA 8800 GTS. Vista installs but every time I install the NVIDIA video drivers it hangs on reboot. Has any one else seen this issue? I tried to Google it but didn't come up with anything similar. I've seen machines hang on warm boot when there is a problem with the video card/slot. I'd update the BIOS. T The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] GFX cards under $200
Sorry PCI-X From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:03 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] GFX cards under $200 AGP? PCI-X (I think)? Etc... Bobby From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:20 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] GFX cards under $200 Hi, I need to get a couple of GFX cards so don't want to spend more than $200 each what's the best gaming card in this price? I would prefer Nvidia but I'm open to all suggestions. What's the best WWW site for reviews now a days? I have been out of the loop far too long. Many thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] GFX cards under $200
It sounds like Radeon is the way to go but now I'm really wondering about the DX10 cards. Toms site doesn't include the GeForce 8600 in his benchmarks but I found other sites showing it beat Radeon HD2400XT. Thoughts? Comments? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of zaske Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:12 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] GFX cards under $200 Radeon X1950XT 256 gets my vote for the best bang for the buck award. Just under $170 and it will kick serious ass in any game @ 1600x1200 or less (XP drivers are very mature, don't diddle me with DX10 and fuck Vista until SP1). AnandTech, HardOCP, PCStats etc. are some of the best review sites. Oh yeah, unless you're rich, save your $ for your retirement fund or get an 8800GTX and enter the elite zone. j maccraw wrote: ATI X1950 Pro XT's from Sapphire, VisionTek, PowerColor, etc... get my vote on either bus. I am sure the similar spec Nvidia's are the same ~$200. Tom's has a nice comparison database for GPU's: http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html Bobby Heid wrote: AGP? PCI-X (I think)? Etc. Bobby From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:20 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] GFX cards under $200 Hi, I need to get a couple of GFX cards so don't want to spend more than $200 each what's the best gaming card in this price? I would prefer Nvidia but I'm open to all suggestions. What's the best WWW site for reviews now a days? I have been out of the loop far too long. Many thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] GFX cards under $200
Hi, I need to get a couple of GFX cards so don't want to spend more than $200 each what's the best gaming card in this price? I would prefer Nvidia but I'm open to all suggestions. What's the best WWW site for reviews now a days? I have been out of the loop far too long. Many thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] Source for socket A XP3200 ?
Hi, I'm trying to do a cheap upgrade on 3 PC's all AMD socket A. I tried ebay and bought 3 dead CPU's from a scam artist (currently going through a paypal claim to get back my $200). So know I'm sending this out to people I know I can trust. Does anyone have any XP3200 they can sell to me? Or does anyone know of a reliable place to get 3 of them at a reasonable price? Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Source for socket A XP3200 ?
Yes the memory is PC2100 DDR, currently the motherboards are very nice ASUS A7N8X Deluxe which are still going strong so I don't want to throw them unless I have to. But if I can't find any CPU's I may have to upgrade the mobo as well. Thanks for the recommendation I'll certainly keep it in mind. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry McGregor Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:24 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Source for socket A XP3200 ? Do your boards use DDR memory (any speed)? For the price you will pay for the XP3200, you might be better off with a cheap S939 or S754 board/chip combo. The Sempron S754 should beat an XP3200+ nicely, and the Opteron 146 should wipe the floor with it. All of these sets are retail chips. Both chips can work with almost any DDR memory, including PC2100. The S754 set at $80/pop is only $40 more than what you were paying for three Socket A chips. S754 (really cheap onboard video and AGP): Under $80/set including s/h http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130058 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819104241 S939 (cheap onboard video and PCI-Express): Under $125/set including s/h http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131069 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103598 Harry Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I'm trying to do a cheap upgrade on 3 PC's all AMD socket A. I tried ebay and bought 3 dead CPU's from a scam artist (currently going through a paypal claim to get back my $200). So know I'm sending this out to people I know I can trust. Does anyone have any XP3200 they can sell to me? Or does anyone know of a reliable place to get 3 of them at a reasonable price? Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Source for socket A XP3200 ?
Nice site but VERY expensive. I may as well go with the motherboard upgrade. But thanks for the link, it's one to bookmark just in case. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:25 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Source for socket A XP3200 ? Try pretestedcpus. http://www.pretestedcpus.com/ Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I'm trying to do a cheap upgrade on 3 PC's all AMD socket A. I tried ebay and bought 3 dead CPU's from a scam artist (currently going through a paypal claim to get back my $200). So know I'm sending this out to people I know I can trust. Does anyone have any XP3200 they can sell to me? Or does anyone know of a reliable place to get 3 of them at a reasonable price? Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Source for socket A XP3200 ?
Yep, it's looking like I will go for the motherboard upgrades as well. I was hopeing someone on the list would have a couple laying around :-( I'll wait a few more days before ordering anything just incase :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Source for socket A XP3200 ? My thoughts exactly. For pete sake you could get a 3600+ dual core, board and a gig of ddr2 for that! Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:02:17 To:'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Source for socket A XP3200 ? -Original Message- From: Bill Try pretestedcpus. http://www.pretestedcpus.com/ Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I'm trying to do a cheap upgrade on 3 PC's all AMD socket A. $194 for a 3200+ Barton seems a bit high when a AMD Athlon 64 4000+ socket 939 can be had for about $60! JMO Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Intel chips
I'm so glad I haven't bought mine yet. I nearly got one 2 weeks back but then decided I wouldn't have time to set the new system up till next month so I delayed the purchase. Just saved myself a couple of hundred bucks. Normally it happens the other way round with me, I buy it then it drops in price :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:18 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Intel chips The actual date is July 22nd--on that day, the quad-core Q6600 (2.4GHz) drops to $266. I'll be getting one. :) Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Turnbull Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:08 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Intel chips 10:59 (Dow Jones) Intel (INTC) is gearing up to slash prices on its Core 2 Quad microprocessors in late July, according to published reports. Price cuts for its high-end Core 2 Quad chips are expected to be as much as 50%, with prices for some of its mainstream Core 2 Duo chips getting cut by 40%. INTC spokesman Chuck Mulloy said the chip maker never comments on price cuts until they happen. He did say INTC routinely reduces the prices of its chips as it continues to introduce new products. Shares up a fraction at $21.99. (DLF) Robert Turnbull, Toronto, Canada The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] Glossy LCD screens
Hi, Looking at the ACER LCD's they come in glossy and matt finishes. I have two lapops a IBM T42 with a matt screen and a Dell Inspiron 700m with a glossy screen. I prefer the matt screen as you don't get any reflections. So I am thinking of getting the matt LCD monitor. Are there any benefits I am missing on the glossy screens? Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Glossy LCD screens
So it's just a matter of taste then, I think I will go with the matt screen. I was concerned one type might last longer or be more resiliant to damge, but if that's not the case I'm fin with the matt ones. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:24 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Glossy LCD screens At 05:48 AM 06/06/2007, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, Looking at the ACER LCD's they come in glossy and matt finishes. I have two lapops a IBM T42 with a matt screen and a Dell Inspiron 700m with a glossy screen. I prefer the matt screen as you don't get any reflections. So I am thinking of getting the matt LCD monitor. Are there any benefits I am missing on the glossy screens? Pictures look better on the glossy screen (better colour) but the glare is a problem. T The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] LCD Monitors - getting one without dead pixels!
Great idea, you know I never considered going to an actual store LOL. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Anger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:45 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] LCD Monitors - getting one without dead pixels! Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any trick to ensuring you get a monitor with no dead pixels? The only way I've found is to buy retail; open and test in the store. Ask before paying if you can test and return if not happy. Also pay with a CC as a measure of last resort. regards, al The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] LCD Monitors - getting one without dead pixels!
Hi, Is there any trick to ensuring you get a monitor with no dead pixels? Any places that guarantee them. I don't mind paying slightly extra for a perfect monitor? Are there any models that guarantee them. I think I will be getting the Dell 2407WFP for my main monitor so I guess I don't have many options there but for the second display I want a budget 19 (make/model still to be decided), but I don't want it to have any dead pixels. Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] LCD Monitors - getting one without dead pixels!
Thanks, that sways it for me with three recommendations, I will take a look at Acer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:16 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] LCD Monitors - getting one without dead pixels! Acer has easily been the most trouble free. Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:10:44 To:The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] LCD Monitors - getting one without dead pixels! We ordered several 22 widescreen's from them and got one with one dead pixel. All of the other ones we got seem to have been fine. Thane Sherrington wrote: At 11:26 AM 18/05/2007, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, Is there any trick to ensuring you get a monitor with no dead pixels? Any places that guarantee them. I don't mind paying slightly extra for a perfect monitor? Are there any models that guarantee them. I haven't had a screen with a dead pixel in the last year from Acer. T The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Instant NAS
I just bought the non Ethernet version of this drive and and it's pretty
nice.
It has two 500GB discs in a configurable raid array.
It's big and can be a little noisy when the fan kicks in. The 3 year
warranty is also a plus point. It's fairly fast as well.
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I was getting ready to order a Seagate 750MB drive as my annual hard
drive purchase, to keep up with Media storage, when my new June's
Maximum PC showed up, and I saw this
Western Digital 1 TB My Book World Edition II Ethernet Storage System
{WDG2NC1N}
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=279
Pretty cool, seems like a better idea then screwing around with yet
another hard drive to store media on. Now that Hitachi has come out with
a 1TB drive it won't take long before you see these things in multi
Terabyte sizes!
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RE: [H] Upgrade questions
Thanks Greg, initially I probablly wont overclock but I have overclocked every system I have owned so I guess I will eventually. I've seen a few mentions on the list of Gigabyte boards lately and was going to look at them but I have had Asus for at least the last 8 years and they haven't let me down yet so that was my preference. I was unaware that 2.2v was high for the the RAM, what is the standard voltage for these chips? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:32 AM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Upgrade questions Are you looking to overclock? If so, take a look at 680i based boards, such as the Gigabyte GA-N680SLI-DQ6. Absolutely wonderful board--I have one--but they're about impossible to find right now. The first production run sold out much faster than expected; stock isn't expected to return for another couple weeks. I love the fact that it has 10 on-board SATA ports and the onboard sound has DTS Connect--I was able to eliminate 3 expansion cards on those features alone. The onboard passive cooling solution works pretty well, though I removed all of it to cool with water. I'd also strongly suggest looking for memory that doesn't require 2.2vdimm+ to meet rated speed. Almost all high-performance memory uses Micron D9GMH ICs, and these do not seem to handle high voltages (2.2v+) for long periods of time. Ideally, though, you would run a 1:1 FSB:MEM ratio and undervolt the memory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:53 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Upgrade questions Hi, I'm after some advice, upgrading my old Asus A7n8x deluxe and XP2100. So far I'm sure I will go for: PSU: Thermaltake W0116RU 750W http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817153038 RAM: Mushkin Redline 2GB http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146114 (I like Mushkin as they are based in Denver and I can just go to their office if I have any issues). CPU: E6600 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115003 What I am unsure of is the motherboard, I want a feature filled board similar to my A7n8X deluxe so I was looking at: Asus P5B Deluxe http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131045 But there are some much more expensive boards that I can't really work out what practical extras I'm getting, are they really better? One of them is the Asus Striker board http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131074 it looks very cool but does it cost so much more just because of the lights and gimmicky things? Does that fancy cooling system really work or is it just for show. Money is not really a problem (for the first time ever)so I want to get the best but I don't want to waste money. All opinions are welcome. Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Upgrade questions
I'll take a look, thanks Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CW Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:47 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] Upgrade questions I'll throw out another recommend for a different 680i board (the Gigabyte one is nice) most 680i boards though are using the Realtek HD, which has DTS-Connect and DD-Live, so you're covered there. I've become pretty fond of the FoxConn entry. the N68S7AA-8EKRS2H. First, everyone is so enamored with heat pipes, etc. but I've played with the Asus Striker and P5N32-E and I just have not been impressed with how freaking hot the chipsets get with their passive solution. While it looks neat, the longterm impact is poor, it just means you have to have incredible ventilation in a case. The Foxconn solution is more old school, but it absolutely works. The heat scores on the northbridge and southbridge are INSANELY cooler then on any of the others, and if you're going to do water cooling, the fact that they use standard blocks means you aren't having to rip a board apart, removing them to add Water cooling blocks is much easier. The layout is clean, all aluminum capacitors is a plus, and for overclockers, it OC's better then any board I've seen stable. It's not the most spendy, but it's a great bang for the buck. CW -Original message- From: Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:53:27 -0700 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Upgrade questions Thanks Greg, initially I probablly wont overclock but I have overclocked every system I have owned so I guess I will eventually. I've seen a few mentions on the list of Gigabyte boards lately and was going to look at them but I have had Asus for at least the last 8 years and they haven't let me down yet so that was my preference. I was unaware that 2.2v was high for the the RAM, what is the standard voltage for these chips? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:32 AM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Upgrade questions Are you looking to overclock? If so, take a look at 680i based boards, such as the Gigabyte GA-N680SLI-DQ6. Absolutely wonderful board--I have one--but they're about impossible to find right now. The first production run sold out much faster than expected; stock isn't expected to return for another couple weeks. I love the fact that it has 10 on-board SATA ports and the onboard sound has DTS Connect--I was able to eliminate 3 expansion cards on those features alone. The onboard passive cooling solution works pretty well, though I removed all of it to cool with water. I'd also strongly suggest looking for memory that doesn't require 2.2vdimm+ to meet rated speed. Almost all high-performance memory uses Micron D9GMH ICs, and these do not seem to handle high voltages (2.2v+) for long periods of time. Ideally, though, you would run a 1:1 FSB:MEM ratio and undervolt the memory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:53 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Upgrade questions Hi, I'm after some advice, upgrading my old Asus A7n8x deluxe and XP2100. So far I'm sure I will go for: PSU: Thermaltake W0116RU 750W http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817153038 RAM: Mushkin Redline 2GB http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146114 (I like Mushkin as they are based in Denver and I can just go to their office if I have any issues). CPU: E6600 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115003 What I am unsure of is the motherboard, I want a feature filled board similar to my A7n8X deluxe so I was looking at: Asus P5B Deluxe http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131045 But there are some much more expensive boards that I can't really work out what practical extras I'm getting, are they really better? One of them is the Asus Striker board http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131074 it looks very cool but does it cost so much more just because of the lights and gimmicky things? Does that fancy cooling system really work or is it just for show. Money is not really a problem (for the first time ever)so I want to get the best but I don't want to waste money. All opinions are welcome. Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance
[H] Upgrade questions
Hi, I'm after some advice, upgrading my old Asus A7n8x deluxe and XP2100. So far I'm sure I will go for: PSU: Thermaltake W0116RU 750W http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817153038 RAM: Mushkin Redline 2GB http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146114 (I like Mushkin as they are based in Denver and I can just go to their office if I have any issues). CPU: E6600 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115003 What I am unsure of is the motherboard, I want a feature filled board similar to my A7n8X deluxe so I was looking at: Asus P5B Deluxe http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131045 But there are some much more expensive boards that I can't really work out what practical extras I'm getting, are they really better? One of them is the Asus Striker board http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131074 it looks very cool but does it cost so much more just because of the lights and gimmicky things? Does that fancy cooling system really work or is it just for show. Money is not really a problem (for the first time ever)so I want to get the best but I don't want to waste money. All opinions are welcome. Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Mandriva 2007
HI Chris, Does it have NTFS write support yet? Thanks Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:52 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Mandriva 2007 Genious. Sheer, plain genious. We're an early seeder, so I've had access to the final Distros for the last two days and we've been playing around with it. Let me tell you a few things that are worth noting: * The install was done on two PCs, one a Core 2 Duo on a 965P board (the Gigabyte). It recognized and correctly configured all devices, audio, video (a 7950GT) as well as set performance on SATA drives. It recognized a USB Wireless NIC and was able to do WPA to our router (something I've had significant difficulties with in Linux in the past). The second PC, an AMD 4400+ on the Asus A8N32-SLI correctly configured also, found all drivers 4400+ out of the box and ran with no issues. * Xen support within it is fantastic. * New game based support under Transgamer allowed for fluid use of games like World of Warcraft and Civilization IV, the only two games we tried. It was indistinguishable from Windows XP as to their performance (IMHO), while I'm sure benchmarks may say different, I was impressed. * The new KDE interface is fluid and intuitive - far more so then MS Vista at this point, and the inbuilt features in the full version - like LinDVD (bundled from Intervideo) offered great features like passing AC3/DTS and decoding as well. I'm not saying that Mandriva 2007 is going to be my regular platform, but this is as close to a solid-consumer friendly desktop format of Linux ever. Period. This is a major leap over Mandriva 2006, and I think a lot of people will be seriously impressed with the feature set. The install is painless. The performance is excellent. Support for hardware is, frankly, better then Vista 5600/5728 at this point. On Monday, Mandriva will release the torrents to the Club members and shortly after that to the public. Let me say this: if you're a club member or if you are thinking about it, this is definitely a distro worth grabbing. CW (Here's hoping I see this post return to me, for some reason I still seem to be NO-ACK with the list since Sunday) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Mandriva 2007
Sorry the question was actually write support for NTFS. The previous version could read but couldn't write. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:47 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Mandriva 2007 Yes. I had no problem reading ntfs partitions Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:30:04 To:The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Mandriva 2007 HI Chris, Does it have NTFS write support yet? Thanks Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:52 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Mandriva 2007 Genious. Sheer, plain genious. We're an early seeder, so I've had access to the final Distros for the last two days and we've been playing around with it. Let me tell you a few things that are worth noting: * The install was done on two PCs, one a Core 2 Duo on a 965P board (the Gigabyte). It recognized and correctly configured all devices, audio, video (a 7950GT) as well as set performance on SATA drives. It recognized a USB Wireless NIC and was able to do WPA to our router (something I've had significant difficulties with in Linux in the past). The second PC, an AMD 4400+ on the Asus A8N32-SLI correctly configured also, found all drivers 4400+ out of the box and ran with no issues. * Xen support within it is fantastic. * New game based support under Transgamer allowed for fluid use of games like World of Warcraft and Civilization IV, the only two games we tried. It was indistinguishable from Windows XP as to their performance (IMHO), while I'm sure benchmarks may say different, I was impressed. * The new KDE interface is fluid and intuitive - far more so then MS Vista at this point, and the inbuilt features in the full version - like LinDVD (bundled from Intervideo) offered great features like passing AC3/DTS and decoding as well. I'm not saying that Mandriva 2007 is going to be my regular platform, but this is as close to a solid-consumer friendly desktop format of Linux ever. Period. This is a major leap over Mandriva 2006, and I think a lot of people will be seriously impressed with the feature set. The install is painless. The performance is excellent. Support for hardware is, frankly, better then Vista 5600/5728 at this point. On Monday, Mandriva will release the torrents to the Club members and shortly after that to the public. Let me say this: if you're a club member or if you are thinking about it, this is definitely a distro worth grabbing. CW (Here's hoping I see this post return to me, for some reason I still seem to be NO-ACK with the list since Sunday) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Mandriva 2007
Yes this was my understanding, it's the big thing that is stopping me using Linux as my main OS. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Mandriva 2007 Most big distros have NTFS read. NTFS write support is still in early, early beta. It works (I've done it in Ubuntu) but they tell you to back up your drive before you write to it. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I had no problem reading ntfs partitions Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:30:04 To:The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Mandriva 2007 HI Chris, Does it have NTFS write support yet? Thanks Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:52 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Mandriva 2007 Genious. Sheer, plain genious. We're an early seeder, so I've had access to the final Distros for the last two days and we've been playing around with it. Let me tell you a few things that are worth noting: * The install was done on two PCs, one a Core 2 Duo on a 965P board (the Gigabyte). It recognized and correctly configured all devices, audio, video (a 7950GT) as well as set performance on SATA drives. It recognized a USB Wireless NIC and was able to do WPA to our router (something I've had significant difficulties with in Linux in the past). The second PC, an AMD 4400+ on the Asus A8N32-SLI correctly configured also, found all 4400+ drivers 4400+ out of the box and ran with no issues. * Xen support within it is fantastic. * New game based support under Transgamer allowed for fluid use of games like World of Warcraft and Civilization IV, the only two games we tried. It was indistinguishable from Windows XP as to their performance (IMHO), while I'm sure benchmarks may say different, I was impressed. * The new KDE interface is fluid and intuitive - far more so then MS Vista at this point, and the inbuilt features in the full version - like LinDVD (bundled from Intervideo) offered great features like passing AC3/DTS and decoding as well. I'm not saying that Mandriva 2007 is going to be my regular platform, but this is as close to a solid-consumer friendly desktop format of Linux ever. Period. This is a major leap over Mandriva 2006, and I think a lot of people will be seriously impressed with the feature set. The install is painless. The performance is excellent. Support for hardware is, frankly, better then Vista 5600/5728 at this point. On Monday, Mandriva will release the torrents to the Club members and shortly after that to the public. Let me say this: if you're a club member or if you are thinking about it, this is definitely a distro worth grabbing. CW (Here's hoping I see this post return to me, for some reason I still seem to be NO-ACK with the list since Sunday) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way
RE: [H] External HDD recommendations
Yea I really like it but I want something that I can easily take into work as well, this wouldn't fit in my laptop case ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:26 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] External HDD recommendations OK, understood though you could add a removable tray to it and still have 3 slots for extra online storage. This is where I am heading ASAP but looking for an 8 bay version if possible. Hunter, Gary wrote: That cetainly looks nice, but I'm really after a single HD unit to use for backups. Thanks Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jmaccraw Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:14 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] External HDD recommendations Whatever you get don't trust the you don't need a fan line for metal cases 7200RPM+ drives. Addonics has a nice 4 bay JBOD case but it is pricey: http://addonics.com/products/raid_system/ast4.asp __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] External HDD recommendations
That cetainly looks nice, but I'm really after a single HD unit to use for backups. Thanks Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jmaccraw Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:14 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] External HDD recommendations Whatever you get don't trust the you don't need a fan line for metal cases 7200RPM+ drives. Addonics has a nice 4 bay JBOD case but it is pricey: http://addonics.com/products/raid_system/ast4.asp Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I need to get an external enclosure for a 500GB drive. I haven't got the drive yet so it could be IDE or SATA I'm flexible. I do prefer not to have an external power supply but that's not a hard constraint. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Cendant TDS - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] External HDD recommendations
That's a nice write up thanks. That enclosure however only supports up to 250GB though :-( Newegg have a lot of enclosures and I think that FAQ gives me enough info on the chipsets to make a semi informed decision. Thanks Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:19 AM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] External HDD recommendations I have found this helpful: The official external ENCLOSURE thread http://www.fatwallet.com/t/28/496281 I just bought this for a client from www.ZipZoomFly.com (isn't that a stupid name?). http://www.apricorn.com/product_details.php?ID=332 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=103007 It had a rebate that went out on 8/31. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:02 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] External HDD recommendations Hi, I need to get an external enclosure for a 500GB drive. I haven't got the drive yet so it could be IDE or SATA I'm flexible. I do prefer not to have an external power supply but that's not a hard constraint. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance, Gary Hunter The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] External HDD recommendations
You will need an external power source but maybe not an external power adaptor. I have a Bytecc enclosure for a DVDRW drive that has the PSU built into the enclosre. I realise that may increase the heat but if the case is designed well it should not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:16 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] External HDD recommendations Unless it's a laptop drive you'll need an external power supply. I have two of the cheap CompUSA aluminum enclosures and could not be happier with them. Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, I need to get an external enclosure for a 500GB drive. I haven't got the drive yet so it could be IDE or SATA I'm flexible. I do prefer not to have an external power supply but that's not a hard constraint. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Cendant TDS - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] External HDD recommendations
Ok maybe I should ask another question then. Whats the best 500GB hard disk to get? Lets keep it around $200, nothing ultra high end. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 5:49 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] External HDD recommendations Wds warranty policy sucks though on anything but raptors/scsi. I had 2 400g new drives go dead. Did the check at their website and the only thing offerred to me was a discount on other drives And even with discount it was more expensive then just going to newegg Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless -Original Message- From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:43:30 To:The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] External HDD recommendations WD usually offers extending the warranty for $15 Fry's had 400gb Seagates in the add yesterday for $100, was tempted 8-) At 02:25 PM 9/6/2006, Hunter, Gary Poked the stick with: Western digital actually make a 500GB version for $250 which seems an OK price, but it only has a 1 year warrenty. So I am thinking it is better for me to buy a drive with a 3 year warrenty and get the external enclosure seperately. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Shut up, or I'll nail your other foot to the floor. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] External HDD recommendations
Hi, I need to get an external enclosure for a 500GB drive. I haven't got the drive yet so it could be IDE or SATA I'm flexible. I do prefer not to have an external power supply but that's not a hard constraint. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Cendant TDS - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Travelport Inc. is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Epson R200
I wouldn't worry, just get this: http://www.maxpatchink.com/epsonclean.shtml It works great for cleaning even the worst clogged heads. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:46 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Epson R200 I own a Epson R200 that I only use for photo, and CD/DVD. So I don't use it that often. I am not concerned about ink replacement, but I am worried about clogged heads. The manual recommends that I print at least once a month, and ink cartridge replacement every six months or less as needed. My question is, should I leave this printer OFF with heads parked when not in use? Will this help prevent head clogging? The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Epson R200
They are a very reliable company as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:01 AM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] RE: [H] Epson R200 I just ordered some of that rubber stuff for my HP fax machine. Thanks for the link. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:53 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] RE: [H] Epson R200 Importance: Low At 11:04 AM 17/07/2006, Hunter, Gary wrote: I wouldn't worry, just get this: http://www.maxpatchink.com/epsonclean.shtml It works great for cleaning even the worst clogged heads. Awesome information. I've been looking for something like this. Thanks! T The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] ATTN Tim L. Data recovery
Hi Tim, It seems like I have a physical issue with the drive, I couldn't recover anything :-( could you contact me so I can get a recovery qoute. Thanks Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:05 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Hard Drive issues Hi, I have an IDE Western Digital WD2500JB which won't start. On power up it just clicks. The circuit board appears hot to touch so I am wondering if it could be the issue. I have a couple of 250GB western GB SATA drives do you think swapping out the circuit board with one of these would work? Also its still under warrenty so I want to be sure not to invalidate it. Also if Tims still on the list what would be the cost of recovering the data. The drive has all of my MP3's on it and it took weeks to back up all my CD's:-( Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Cendant TDS - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] Hard Drive issues
Hi, I have an IDE Western Digital WD2500JB which won't start. On power up it just clicks. The circuit board appears hot to touch so I am wondering if it could be the issue. I have a couple of 250GB western GB SATA drives do you think swapping out the circuit board with one of these would work? Also its still under warrenty so I want to be sure not to invalidate it. Also if Tims still on the list what would be the cost of recovering the data. The drive has all of my MP3's on it and it took weeks to back up all my CD's:-( Thanks Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Cendant TDS - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000
Hi, Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just the best keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont work with a usb - ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM which is PS2 only. I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard will not work with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why? Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I really can't live without this keyboard now its just so nice but I really have to get it working through the KVM. It doesn't look like they make a PS2 version either :-( Thanks Gary Hunter Systems Engineer - Core Services Cendant TDS - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000
Yeh Mine replaced the original MS Natural. From what I've read it probablly wont last as long but my Natural keyboard must be at least 8 years old. I love it but I have to get it working with the PS2 connection :-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:33 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000 Don't know why it won't work in PS2, but I bought a Ergo 4000 a while back for my home machine. I like it quite a bit--I was avoiding all MS keyboards since the original MS Natural, but I finally found one that I think is a replacement for it. The only real downside for me was that it is different enough to make going between it and even another MS Natural (pre-4000) difficult. To that end, I decided to make my input devices the same for both my home machines and work machine. Now both have Ergo 4000's with MX1000 mice. :) My only real concern now is that I very much doubt that it will last nearly as long as those old MS Naturals did, but oh well. Greg - Original Message - From: Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000 Hi, Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just the best keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont work with a usb - ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM which is PS2 only. I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard will not work with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why? Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I really can't live without this keyboard now its just so nice but I really have to get it working through the KVM. It doesn't look like they make a PS2 version either :-( Thanks Gary Hunter Systems Engineer - Core Services Cendant TDS - Galileo International (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office) (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell) The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000
How did I know Chris would have the answer, even if it was one I didn't want to hear :-( Is there something close to it that is PS2 compatable. If there is I will take my 4000 to work and buy the alternative for home. I especially love the padded wrist wrest on the 4000. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CW Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:52 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000 Because the Ergo4000 uses the new managable HID, there is no way to make it PS2 compatible. This is because it can be mapped to work as multiple devices as well as having programmability. So, you'll never (never) find a PS2 connector that will work with this. -Original message- From: Neil Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:04:02 -0600 To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000 Regular PS2/USB keyboards autodetect which interface they are plugged into and change their signalling/power accordingly. I'm guessing that the Ergo 4000 is using a new controller chip from the previous models and does not support this dual mode of operation. Seems a little odd, the savings in that are going to be very very tiny (several cents probably). I wouldn't be surprised to see more going this route. You may be able to get a PS2 port that connects to USB, but I don't think youd get a USB port that connects to PS2. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: 25 February 2006 18:49 To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000 Hi, Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just the best keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont work with a usb - ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM which is PS2 only. I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard will not work with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why? Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I really can't live without this keyboard now its just so nice but I really have to get it working through the KVM. It doesn't look like they make a PS2 version either :-( Thanks The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000
Nah, I only bought the KVM a few weeks back and I don't want to change it either :-( (Belkin OmniView SOHO F1DS104T) It would cost much more to replace the KVM. If I can find something close to the Ergo 4000 I would be happy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:44 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000 At 07:01 PM 2/25/2006, Hunter, Gary typed: How did I know Chris would have the answer, even if it was one I didn't want to hear :-( Is there something close to it that is PS2 compatable. If there is I will take my 4000 to work and buy the alternative for home. I especially love the padded wrist wrest on the 4000. How about a different KVM instead ? --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] British TV: The IT Crowd
But they came :-) I loved his answer machine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:24 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] British TV: The IT Crowd It's just British comedy, but the bit of: Dear Sir / Madam: FIRE! FIRE! Help Me! I'm at 231 Browns Lane. I look forward to hearing from you. As an email to the emergency services killed me. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] British TV: The IT Crowd
It's silly, its juvenile, but it's a bit of mindless fun in a world that needs to lighten up a little. You mentioned the office earlier, which do you prefer the UK version or the US version. I am very impressed with the US version much better than any of the other comedies they have tried to copy (coupling springs to mind). I a on the verge of saying that I think the US version is better and that takes a lot coming from me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:07 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] British TV: The IT Crowd The moment in the first episode where they answered the phone: have you tried turning it off then on again .. yeah, it could be better, and it's growing into it, but it has that cagey british comedy feel to it that gets me :) CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:58 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] British TV: The IT Crowd But they came :-) I loved his answer machine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:24 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] British TV: The IT Crowd It's just British comedy, but the bit of: Dear Sir / Madam: FIRE! FIRE! Help Me! I'm at 231 Browns Lane. I look forward to hearing from you. As an email to the emergency services killed me. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] British TV: The IT Crowd
Its a great program even my wife likes it. For those not in the UK you can grab it from www.uknova.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris ReevesSent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:43 PMTo: 'The Hardware List'Subject: [H] British TV: "The IT Crowd" Anyone seen this? Its typical british over the top humor, but there are moments that kill me. Seems to me like one of those shows like The Office that could transition over here in short order. The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] Win XP Media Center
:-( Doh. I wish I hadn't installed it now. At least it didn't cost me anything as I have an MSDN subscription. Thanks for the advice though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:23 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Win XP Media Center In order for a TV Tuner to work within MCE, it must be a fully certified hardware encoder. So, you have to have a card that has certified MCE drivers. The Asus is just a WDM (soft) capture card, no support within MCE. -- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:09 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Win XP Media Center Hi, Does anyone know of a list of supported TV tuner cards for media center. I have an Asus 7133 that is recognised by windows and works fine in third party apps but when I run media center it reports that no tuner card is installed. Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] Win XP Media Center
Hi, Does anyone know of a list of supported TV tuner cards for media center. I have an Asus 7133 that is recognised by windows and works fine in third party apps but when I run media center it reports that no tuner card is installed. Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: [H] OT - Too windy for windows today
It was very calm here in Denver yesterday I wonder how we missed it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:29 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] OT - Too windy for windows today Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gusts up to 70mph are blowing off roofs and flipping over semis all over the place. Very windy up here in Boulder too. Al The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
[H] NEC LabelFlash DVDRW drive
Hi, Does anyone know if the ND-4551A with Labelflash is out yet. I read that it was due for release in October but I can't find any real reviews or anywhere that has them. Thanks Gary The information in this electronic mail message is sender's business Confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee(s). Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
