Re: [H] APC Question?
Hello Christopher, Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 3:21:38 PM, you wrote: > I see so many places that have APC 750's protecting all their PC's but > then their DSL modem is plugged directly into their switch in the closet, > effectively nullifying their protection. > Isolate your network as well as your power. Electricity travels over > copper, cat5 is copper Q F T -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
Re: [H] APC Question?
Christopher, I will print/read your share many more times. Your logic is quite different than mine, BUT, I do understand :) About the "owning" my modem. I suspect that I do; I am now paying $4/mo to TPC for the replacement they sent me last June/July. Your plan seems to "protect" the output of the modem. Whereas, I use a ups to protect the input to the modem. I will cogitate this now... :) I have never broken the WAN cable between the modem and my router because I view this interface as pure "LAN" and no longer POTS! I suppose I wish to provide whatever protection I can provide to my modem during the next electrical storm. Electrical storms are why I own all the fancy ups' I own now! Interesting. Best, Duncan Christopher Fisk wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Mark wrote: No you do not want the filter before the modem only on other items, phones, FAX, direct tv box, cable box, etc that plug into the phone line that is the dsl. All I meant was that electronicaly different ups may need a filter but not if it is before the modem. I agree with this. One thing you pretty much want to do with a DSL modem is make sure you don't own it in case there is a power surge you can make them repair it. Then go WALL -> DSL Modem -> Ethernet -> Ethernet Line protector (Like a APC UPS Ethernet surge supressor) -> Router. Isolate the DSL modem outside your ethernet network (And make sure your router, switch, etc are all on UPS's for surge protection. I see so many places that have APC 750's protecting all their PC's but then their DSL modem is plugged directly into their switch in the closet, effectively nullifying their protection. Isolate your network as well as your power. Electricity travels over copper, cat5 is copper (I am actually guilty of this at home, I do *not* have a filter between my cable modem and my router, I will be fixing that soon though.) Christopher Fisk
Re: [H] APC Question?
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Mark wrote: No you do not want the filter before the modem only on other items, phones, FAX, direct tv box, cable box, etc that plug into the phone line that is the dsl. All I meant was that electronicaly different ups may need a filter but not if it is before the modem. I agree with this. One thing you pretty much want to do with a DSL modem is make sure you don't own it in case there is a power surge you can make them repair it. Then go WALL -> DSL Modem -> Ethernet -> Ethernet Line protector (Like a APC UPS Ethernet surge supressor) -> Router. Isolate the DSL modem outside your ethernet network (And make sure your router, switch, etc are all on UPS's for surge protection. I see so many places that have APC 750's protecting all their PC's but then their DSL modem is plugged directly into their switch in the closet, effectively nullifying their protection. Isolate your network as well as your power. Electricity travels over copper, cat5 is copper (I am actually guilty of this at home, I do *not* have a filter between my cable modem and my router, I will be fixing that soon though.) Christopher Fisk -- You know you're using the computer too much when: you wake up at 4 in the morning to spend some quality time with your computer before your wife wakes up. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] APC Question?
No you do not want the filter before the modem only on other items, phones, FAX, direct tv box, cable box, etc that plug into the phone line that is the dsl. All I meant was that electronicaly different ups may need a filter but not if it is before the modem. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:08 PM, DSinc wrote: Mark, OK. Well the ups swap worked. DSL is back solid w/o dropouts. The dsl phone-line filter is plugged into the wall phone jack. Then I run a small phone cable (rj11) to the ups "phone in" connection. The dsl modem WAN port then connects to the ups "phone out" connection. This is really the only phone-line connection I run through a ups "phone filter/protection" feature. I do not run my cat5/6 LAN cables through my ups connections. I've noticed that APC does seem weak, or spotty, with their Phone/ Data line protection features. Had this feature die on two of my older BU1100 units. Now, I have another dead phone interface on a new generation BR1500LCD unit. But I still suspect that I may be fighting with the new rj31/rj45 interface. This is NOT a big issue ATM; it is fixed via the swap. I'll do some more googling. In the end, I really use the ups' for their AC power line protection. And, here in NW Georgia, there is so much more electrical storm activity than I've experienced before. Thanks. Best, Duncan Mark wrote: Yes that is what I meant, if with the different ups there is a problem then perhaps you need to use a DSL filter when plugging the phone line into it, just as you would with any other electronic device that the phone line is plugged in to. May not be but justca thought. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 4:22 PM, DSinc wrote: Thanks Mark, Don't understand the question. If you mean the "DSL Filter" in the phone plug; NO. That filter works fine anywhere in the house. Even so, in/out, this UPS blocks PHONE/DATA/?. Thanks. Good thought. Not yet. Best, Duncan Mark wrote: Have you checked to see if it was a DSL filter issue? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:18 PM, DSinc wrote: I use APC ups's. Always have. Always will. Just bought 2 RS-series 1500VA BackUps (LCD). They were built in the Philipines. Seems to me that APS is still confused about their XS series and their RS series. At least from all the past and present research I have done. One of my new RS series BackUps's (Philipines) PHONE filter interfaces is broken. Odd because the RS series premium over the XS series is the PHONE/DATA/? filter. The phone jacks of the PHONE/DATA/? interface both appear to be RJ31/RJ45 size. I suppose this is for commercial/business class PHONE/DATA/? wiring. OK. SUX that I do NOT have same!! LOL! If I try to plug in my normal RJ11 home-type PHONE plugs, I start loosing my phone line/xdsl/internet connections. Hmmm. This is proved because my phone line/xdxl/internet connection is now running thru an RJ11 cable connector (small white plastic block with an RJ11 female connector in each end; wired 1<>1). Not likely I will attempt an RMA with newegg. Shipping costs Other than this small ???, this new ups is full active and works well. really like the LCD display! Besides, I can still swap it with an older RS-1500 (India) whose PHONE/DATA/? interface connectors (logic) DO WORK! Even though my research says this interface is NOT operable! Confused I remain. But, I remain a loyal APC customer. Just sharing recent observations. :) Might there be some RJ11-->RJ31/45 converters? No. I have not looked yet. Never supposed I'd ever have to! LOL! Best, Duncan
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maccrawj, Well, OK. LOL! You caught me really good. I did forget to mention that the special dsl "filter" the modem plugs into (through) is a 2-connector model. One connector is labeled "DSL" and the other connector is labeled "PHONE." I assume that the "DSL" connector by-passes the filter and goes just to the wall (phone line). All the other dsl filters I use have just ONE rj11 female to plug in a single phone line cord. Sorry for the confusion... :) So, the map should be: Modem->APC->"Filter by-pass"->wall jack->TSID->POTS maccrawj wrote: Do I read that right, you have a DSL modem plugged into a DSL line filter??? Modem->APC->Filter->Walljack? Can't be, I must be reading this wrong since those filters block DSL data signals. When I had DSL the only thing I protected was the ethernet patch to my router from the modem has a BlackBox brand inline surge protector. If the modem went who cares, if it entered the LAN big problems was my thinking. Still doing same with cable as it's their modem anyway. On 12/15/2009 11:08 AM, DSinc wrote: Mark, OK. Well the ups swap worked. DSL is back solid w/o dropouts. The dsl phone-line filter is plugged into the wall phone jack. Then I run a small phone cable (rj11) to the ups "phone in" connection. The dsl modem WAN port then connects to the ups "phone out" connection. This is really the only phone-line connection I run through a ups "phone filter/protection" feature.
Re: [H] APC Question?
Do I read that right, you have a DSL modem plugged into a DSL line filter??? Modem->APC->Filter->Walljack? Can't be, I must be reading this wrong since those filters block DSL data signals. When I had DSL the only thing I protected was the ethernet patch to my router from the modem has a BlackBox brand inline surge protector. If the modem went who cares, if it entered the LAN big problems was my thinking. Still doing same with cable as it's their modem anyway. On 12/15/2009 11:08 AM, DSinc wrote: Mark, OK. Well the ups swap worked. DSL is back solid w/o dropouts. The dsl phone-line filter is plugged into the wall phone jack. Then I run a small phone cable (rj11) to the ups "phone in" connection. The dsl modem WAN port then connects to the ups "phone out" connection. This is really the only phone-line connection I run through a ups "phone filter/protection" feature.
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Filtering the entire house requires new clean lines to the DSL modem. That was easy for me, but is un-common... Unless your security system has a completely different phone line and number it would still need a filter in your situation. Sorry I was no help. Rick Glazier From: "DSinc" Rick, No. I do not have a "whole house filter." I use the dsl filters that came with the dsl modem on those house phone jacks that have telephones connected. And, I have a "special" dsl filter I bought for my home's security system. This could have been overkill because the security system has its' own dedicated line to the out-door phone company ?magic box?. :)
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Rick, No. I do not have a "whole house filter." I use the dsl filters that came with the dsl modem on those house phone jacks that have telephones connected. And, I have a "special" dsl filter I bought for my home's security system. This could have been overkill because the security system has its' own dedicated line to the out-door phone company ?magic box?. :) I may see fiber-to-the-house in 3-5yrs as my electric supplier rolls out their version of FIOS(?). That may be when I finally cancel dsl and POTS altogether. Best, Duncan Rick Glazier wrote: Duncan, are you saying you have one of the "whole house filters", and then run "clean lines" to the DSL (if you use DSL?) The general ?(simple)? way is a filter at each phone or non-computer device. I wired my house different, WITH a whole house filter, as above. That way, none of my phones needed their own filter. With FIOS, that went by the wayside, at least here. Rick Glazier From: "DSinc" Thanks Mark, Don't understand the question. If you mean the "DSL Filter" in the phone plug; NO. That filter works fine anywhere in the house. Even so, in/out, this UPS blocks PHONE/DATA/?. Thanks. Good thought. Not yet.
Re: [H] APC Question?
Mark, OK. Well the ups swap worked. DSL is back solid w/o dropouts. The dsl phone-line filter is plugged into the wall phone jack. Then I run a small phone cable (rj11) to the ups "phone in" connection. The dsl modem WAN port then connects to the ups "phone out" connection. This is really the only phone-line connection I run through a ups "phone filter/protection" feature. I do not run my cat5/6 LAN cables through my ups connections. I've noticed that APC does seem weak, or spotty, with their Phone/Data line protection features. Had this feature die on two of my older BU1100 units. Now, I have another dead phone interface on a new generation BR1500LCD unit. But I still suspect that I may be fighting with the new rj31/rj45 interface. This is NOT a big issue ATM; it is fixed via the swap. I'll do some more googling. In the end, I really use the ups' for their AC power line protection. And, here in NW Georgia, there is so much more electrical storm activity than I've experienced before. Thanks. Best, Duncan Mark wrote: Yes that is what I meant, if with the different ups there is a problem then perhaps you need to use a DSL filter when plugging the phone line into it, just as you would with any other electronic device that the phone line is plugged in to. May not be but justca thought. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 4:22 PM, DSinc wrote: Thanks Mark, Don't understand the question. If you mean the "DSL Filter" in the phone plug; NO. That filter works fine anywhere in the house. Even so, in/out, this UPS blocks PHONE/DATA/?. Thanks. Good thought. Not yet. Best, Duncan Mark wrote: Have you checked to see if it was a DSL filter issue? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:18 PM, DSinc wrote: I use APC ups's. Always have. Always will. Just bought 2 RS-series 1500VA BackUps (LCD). They were built in the Philipines. Seems to me that APS is still confused about their XS series and their RS series. At least from all the past and present research I have done. One of my new RS series BackUps's (Philipines) PHONE filter interfaces is broken. Odd because the RS series premium over the XS series is the PHONE/DATA/? filter. The phone jacks of the PHONE/DATA/? interface both appear to be RJ31/RJ45 size. I suppose this is for commercial/business class PHONE/DATA/? wiring. OK. SUX that I do NOT have same!! LOL! If I try to plug in my normal RJ11 home-type PHONE plugs, I start loosing my phone line/xdsl/internet connections. Hmmm. This is proved because my phone line/xdxl/internet connection is now running thru an RJ11 cable connector (small white plastic block with an RJ11 female connector in each end; wired 1<>1). Not likely I will attempt an RMA with newegg. Shipping costs Other than this small ???, this new ups is full active and works well. really like the LCD display! Besides, I can still swap it with an older RS-1500 (India) whose PHONE/DATA/? interface connectors (logic) DO WORK! Even though my research says this interface is NOT operable! Confused I remain. But, I remain a loyal APC customer. Just sharing recent observations. :) Might there be some RJ11-->RJ31/45 converters? No. I have not looked yet. Never supposed I'd ever have to! LOL! Best, Duncan
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Duncan, are you saying you have one of the "whole house filters", and then run "clean lines" to the DSL (if you use DSL?) The general ?(simple)? way is a filter at each phone or non-computer device. I wired my house different, WITH a whole house filter, as above. That way, none of my phones needed their own filter. With FIOS, that went by the wayside, at least here. Rick Glazier From: "DSinc" Thanks Mark, Don't understand the question. If you mean the "DSL Filter" in the phone plug; NO. That filter works fine anywhere in the house. Even so, in/out, this UPS blocks PHONE/DATA/?. Thanks. Good thought. Not yet.
Re: [H] APC Question?
Yes that is what I meant, if with the different ups there is a problem then perhaps you need to use a DSL filter when plugging the phone line into it, just as you would with any other electronic device that the phone line is plugged in to. May not be but justca thought. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 4:22 PM, DSinc wrote: Thanks Mark, Don't understand the question. If you mean the "DSL Filter" in the phone plug; NO. That filter works fine anywhere in the house. Even so, in/out, this UPS blocks PHONE/DATA/?. Thanks. Good thought. Not yet. Best, Duncan Mark wrote: Have you checked to see if it was a DSL filter issue? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:18 PM, DSinc wrote: I use APC ups's. Always have. Always will. Just bought 2 RS-series 1500VA BackUps (LCD). They were built in the Philipines. Seems to me that APS is still confused about their XS series and their RS series. At least from all the past and present research I have done. One of my new RS series BackUps's (Philipines) PHONE filter interfaces is broken. Odd because the RS series premium over the XS series is the PHONE/DATA/? filter. The phone jacks of the PHONE/DATA/? interface both appear to be RJ31/RJ45 size. I suppose this is for commercial/business class PHONE/DATA/? wiring. OK. SUX that I do NOT have same!! LOL! If I try to plug in my normal RJ11 home-type PHONE plugs, I start loosing my phone line/xdsl/internet connections. Hmmm. This is proved because my phone line/xdxl/internet connection is now running thru an RJ11 cable connector (small white plastic block with an RJ11 female connector in each end; wired 1<>1). Not likely I will attempt an RMA with newegg. Shipping costs Other than this small ???, this new ups is full active and works well. really like the LCD display! Besides, I can still swap it with an older RS-1500 (India) whose PHONE/DATA/? interface connectors (logic) DO WORK! Even though my research says this interface is NOT operable! Confused I remain. But, I remain a loyal APC customer. Just sharing recent observations. :) Might there be some RJ11-->RJ31/45 converters? No. I have not looked yet. Never supposed I'd ever have to! LOL! Best, Duncan
Re: [H] APC Question?
Thanks Mark, Don't understand the question. If you mean the "DSL Filter" in the phone plug; NO. That filter works fine anywhere in the house. Even so, in/out, this UPS blocks PHONE/DATA/?. Thanks. Good thought. Not yet. Best, Duncan Mark wrote: Have you checked to see if it was a DSL filter issue? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:18 PM, DSinc wrote: I use APC ups's. Always have. Always will. Just bought 2 RS-series 1500VA BackUps (LCD). They were built in the Philipines. Seems to me that APS is still confused about their XS series and their RS series. At least from all the past and present research I have done. One of my new RS series BackUps's (Philipines) PHONE filter interfaces is broken. Odd because the RS series premium over the XS series is the PHONE/DATA/? filter. The phone jacks of the PHONE/DATA/? interface both appear to be RJ31/RJ45 size. I suppose this is for commercial/business class PHONE/DATA/? wiring. OK. SUX that I do NOT have same!! LOL! If I try to plug in my normal RJ11 home-type PHONE plugs, I start loosing my phone line/xdsl/internet connections. Hmmm. This is proved because my phone line/xdxl/internet connection is now running thru an RJ11 cable connector (small white plastic block with an RJ11 female connector in each end; wired 1<>1). Not likely I will attempt an RMA with newegg. Shipping costs Other than this small ???, this new ups is full active and works well. really like the LCD display! Besides, I can still swap it with an older RS-1500 (India) whose PHONE/DATA/? interface connectors (logic) DO WORK! Even though my research says this interface is NOT operable! Confused I remain. But, I remain a loyal APC customer. Just sharing recent observations. :) Might there be some RJ11-->RJ31/45 converters? No. I have not looked yet. Never supposed I'd ever have to! LOL! Best, Duncan
Re: [H] APC Question?
Have you checked to see if it was a DSL filter issue? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:18 PM, DSinc wrote: I use APC ups's. Always have. Always will. Just bought 2 RS-series 1500VA BackUps (LCD). They were built in the Philipines. Seems to me that APS is still confused about their XS series and their RS series. At least from all the past and present research I have done. One of my new RS series BackUps's (Philipines) PHONE filter interfaces is broken. Odd because the RS series premium over the XS series is the PHONE/DATA/? filter. The phone jacks of the PHONE/DATA/? interface both appear to be RJ31/ RJ45 size. I suppose this is for commercial/business class PHONE/ DATA/? wiring. OK. SUX that I do NOT have same!! LOL! If I try to plug in my normal RJ11 home-type PHONE plugs, I start loosing my phone line/xdsl/internet connections. Hmmm. This is proved because my phone line/xdxl/internet connection is now running thru an RJ11 cable connector (small white plastic block with an RJ11 female connector in each end; wired 1<>1). Not likely I will attempt an RMA with newegg. Shipping costs Other than this small ???, this new ups is full active and works well. really like the LCD display! Besides, I can still swap it with an older RS-1500 (India) whose PHONE/DATA/? interface connectors (logic) DO WORK! Even though my research says this interface is NOT operable! Confused I remain. But, I remain a loyal APC customer. Just sharing recent observations. :) Might there be some RJ11-->RJ31/45 converters? No. I have not looked yet. Never supposed I'd ever have to! LOL! Best, Duncan
[H] APC Question?
I use APC ups's. Always have. Always will. Just bought 2 RS-series 1500VA BackUps (LCD). They were built in the Philipines. Seems to me that APS is still confused about their XS series and their RS series. At least from all the past and present research I have done. One of my new RS series BackUps's (Philipines) PHONE filter interfaces is broken. Odd because the RS series premium over the XS series is the PHONE/DATA/? filter. The phone jacks of the PHONE/DATA/? interface both appear to be RJ31/RJ45 size. I suppose this is for commercial/business class PHONE/DATA/? wiring. OK. SUX that I do NOT have same!! LOL! If I try to plug in my normal RJ11 home-type PHONE plugs, I start loosing my phone line/xdsl/internet connections. Hmmm. This is proved because my phone line/xdxl/internet connection is now running thru an RJ11 cable connector (small white plastic block with an RJ11 female connector in each end; wired 1<>1). Not likely I will attempt an RMA with newegg. Shipping costs Other than this small ???, this new ups is full active and works well. really like the LCD display! Besides, I can still swap it with an older RS-1500 (India) whose PHONE/DATA/? interface connectors (logic) DO WORK! Even though my research says this interface is NOT operable! Confused I remain. But, I remain a loyal APC customer. Just sharing recent observations. :) Might there be some RJ11-->RJ31/45 converters? No. I have not looked yet. Never supposed I'd ever have to! LOL! Best, Duncan
