Re: [hlds] Stupid Sounds
Those are most likely the Mani's Mod sound files that he just came out with, which I don't use. There is a filter you can use. It is exit from the server. Or maybe kaching the sound of you buying your own server would be another filter option. ;=) - Original Message - From: Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:30 AM Subject: [hlds] Stupid Sounds OK, maybe this is offtopic for the list, but maybe its not; Since yesterday, whenever I tried to join a server I needed to download a dozen sounds (in .wav format even) which I very much dislike. Even though I got a 5mbit connection, it takes longer to join a server. For you admins out there: Please think VERY hard if why you need those sounds (for admin purposes I don't mind, usually those are very small, and you don't hear them untill you need them). Please, go play Q3 or UT2k if you want to hear that you made a headshot, or that you survived 4 oponents. CS(S) is NOT _meant_ to be a TDM! (At least, I don't think so, or else there would never have to be a HL(2)DM) I wish there was a filter for that kind of servers. Hmmm, I think there should be a client side ban list for servers (iow; ban servers, to prevent them to ever come up in your list again), yeah, that would be a great asset. Thanks for reading, Micha Vermeer ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Stupid Sounds
Mani has already said that the next release will not have sounds by default and they will be in MP3 format. The good news is that you should find that practically all the servers have the same sounds so once you do one you can go straight into all of them. On Apr 9, 2005 9:30 AM, Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For you admins out there: Please think VERY hard if why you need those sounds (for admin purposes I don't mind, usually those are very small, and you don't hear them untill you need them). Please, go play Q3 or UT2k if you want to hear that you made a headshot, or that you survived 4 oponents. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL2DM inherently unfair
That's true but most of the hot heads are in the northern Hemisphere. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM inherently unfair K. Mike Bradley suggested that the flaming has started to occur because it was spring. I was just pointing out that it is not necessarily spring everywhere else on the planet, thus the joke. On Apr 9, 2005 3:25 AM, Napier, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?huh? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kyrios Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:40 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM inherently unfair Because you don't leave people the choice how they work with their emails ;) On Apr 7, 2005 8:37 PM, Napier, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you leave my choice of which mail reader I use up to me. Thanks. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL2DM inherently unfair
LOL! Easy ... Count to ten and think of the quiet place. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chip Chapin Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:53 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM inherently unfair Oh yeah? Well listen smart-ass, I'm probably older than you and I'm still deeply offended by your email. And, and, mines bigger than yours, and, and I can frag better too, yeah that's it. And in a coon's age too. So there! Darn, I forgot to misspell every other word... K. Mike Bradley wrote: LOL a thousand times at all the guys on this list Ya know I got to point out how every spring when young men's hormones start flowing how flaming runs rampant. It's like a bunch of bulls in the field. The slightest perceived infraction and That's it! It's on now!. You can really tell the young ones from the older ones like me. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Stupid Sounds
Good reply:-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mikee Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:13 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Stupid Sounds Those are most likely the Mani's Mod sound files that he just came out with, which I don't use. There is a filter you can use. It is exit from the server. Or maybe kaching the sound of you buying your own server would be another filter option. ;=) - Original Message - From: Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:30 AM Subject: [hlds] Stupid Sounds OK, maybe this is offtopic for the list, but maybe its not; Since yesterday, whenever I tried to join a server I needed to download a dozen sounds (in .wav format even) which I very much dislike. Even though I got a 5mbit connection, it takes longer to join a server. For you admins out there: Please think VERY hard if why you need those sounds (for admin purposes I don't mind, usually those are very small, and you don't hear them untill you need them). Please, go play Q3 or UT2k if you want to hear that you made a headshot, or that you survived 4 oponents. CS(S) is NOT _meant_ to be a TDM! (At least, I don't think so, or else there would never have to be a HL(2)DM) I wish there was a filter for that kind of servers. Hmmm, I think there should be a client side ban list for servers (iow; ban servers, to prevent them to ever come up in your list again), yeah, that would be a great asset. Thanks for reading, Micha Vermeer ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Stupid Sounds
If in fact they're using mani mod, players can type quake in-game to disable the sounds for themselves and it is saved until the server restarts. On Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:06 AM [GMT-06:00], Jason O.Washburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good reply:-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mikee Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:13 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Stupid Sounds Those are most likely the Mani's Mod sound files that he just came out with, which I don't use. There is a filter you can use. It is exit from the server. Or maybe kaching the sound of you buying your own server would be another filter option. ;=) - Original Message - From: Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:30 AM Subject: [hlds] Stupid Sounds OK, maybe this is offtopic for the list, but maybe its not; Since yesterday, whenever I tried to join a server I needed to download a dozen sounds (in .wav format even) which I very much dislike. Even though I got a 5mbit connection, it takes longer to join a server. For you admins out there: Please think VERY hard if why you need those sounds (for admin purposes I don't mind, usually those are very small, and you don't hear them untill you need them). Please, go play Q3 or UT2k if you want to hear that you made a headshot, or that you survived 4 oponents. CS(S) is NOT _meant_ to be a TDM! (At least, I don't think so, or else there would never have to be a HL(2)DM) I wish there was a filter for that kind of servers. Hmmm, I think there should be a client side ban list for servers (iow; ban servers, to prevent them to ever come up in your list again), yeah, that would be a great asset. Thanks for reading, Micha Vermeer ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Stupid Sounds
Those are most likely the Mani's Mod sound files that he just came out with, which I don't use. There is a filter you can use. It is exit from the server. Or maybe kaching the sound of you buying your own server would be another filter option. ;=) -Mikee Well, I cant do anything with your answer... ;) Mani has already said that the next release will not have sounds by default and they will be in MP3 format. The good news is that you should find that practically all the servers have the same sounds so once you do one you can go straight into all of them. -Graham Robinson The thing that bothers me the most is the next release, so Mani admits he made a mistake, I can forgive him for that. The bad news is that I joined 5 servers with different sounds, or different path's to those sounds... (not just quake sounds either, worse is even those called like what_the_f_happened.wav If in fact they're using mani mod, players can type quake in-game to disable the sounds for themselves and it is saved until the server restarts. -List Keeper Well, that would have been great if I new about it, but second, it doesn't prevent me from downloading them :( I quess my question is: Can I set a cvar that would prevent mod sounds being downloaded. I just don't want that junk on my pc, more important, it will be much faster joining a server. Thanks for replying though! Micha Vermeer Ps, we can close this thread now ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Stupid Sounds
On Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:41 AM [GMT-06:00], Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If in fact they're using mani mod, players can type quake in-game to disable the sounds for themselves and it is saved until the server restarts. -List Keeper Well, that would have been great if I new about it, but second, it doesn't prevent me from downloading them :( I quess my question is: Can I set a cvar that would prevent mod sounds being downloaded. I just don't want that junk on my pc, more important, it will be much faster joining a server. Thanks for replying though! Micha Vermeer Ps, we can close this thread now ;) cl_allowdownload 0 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Stupid Sounds
List Keeper wrote: On Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:41 AM [GMT-06:00], Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cl_allowdownload 0 That is one way but doesn't it also disable download of other things? Like custom maps and associated materials/sounds (for those maps not compiled to include everything in the bsp)? However, the mattie plugin (re: mani forums for info) is pretty powerful and admins who do not exercise *Generally Accepted Procedures* for admining servers (like I failed to do by not filtering clan/server specific bans from the shared ban list) are likely to configure the clients as the admin sees fit (for the session if the configs are read-only). Perhaps the community over at mani and mattie (now on sourcemod) should be lobbied in a positive manner to place information in the motd pertaining to plugins in use, what to expect, sound packs to download, custom map packs to download, where to go to obtain instructions on reporting undesireable conditions, etc. This requires some effort by the admin to keep up with over time. However, I think the mature players will greatly appreciate the level of professionalism. On the topic of *Generally Accepted Procedures*, perhaps we should engage in a thread to discuss and agree on any possible consistent behaviors for admins. (I'll hammer myself again on this one): Such as what types of bans are allowable to share, if any, and what documentation should accompany such bans, if allowable to be shared. Just some opinions and an idea, nothing more. If anyone else agrees a thread on *Generally Accepted Procedures* is worthy then by all means get it started. I won't because I am currently remaining fairly passive in the lists and especially where how many servers is involved. :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds
First of all, i hope, with great hope, that Mani, Beetlefart and other mod writers would be recieving this list and join in on this discussion about what to do and what not to do. It would be great having such a thread about just that, but I am 100% sure that it would turn out to be another flamethrowing thread. You can bring any 2 people in the world together, and you will never find a pair that agrees completely with anything... so many people, so many opinions. That's also the reason why I wanted to just throw my opinion in this group to make admins think about their practices (and mod makers included!) but I never expected to get a yes sir and amen. If mani decides to keep the default, I will just be swimming up against the flow and any other that would venture with me, because there always will be the ignorant admin that will never look at the defaults, let alone change them. And I fear those will always be in the majority (hopefully this list will not have any of such). We are always subject to the developers, so unless we can change their view, we won't make much progress. Mani and other mod developers might not even recognize the huge power they have, but with that power comes great responsibility. It is my opinion that mani made a mistake enabling the sounds feature by default, but as noted before he will change that, but in the mean time I guess I have to get used to press the cancel button a few more times... :/ (and small servers are already hard to find :/ ) Micha Vermeer /me goes off to play EvE, a great MMORPG... www.eve-online.com try it ;) -Original Message- List Keeper wrote: cl_allowdownload 0 wArgOd wrote: That is one way but doesn't it also disable download of other things? Like custom maps and associated materials/sounds (for those maps not compiled to include everything in the bsp)? However, the mattie plugin (re: mani forums for info) is pretty powerful and admins who do not exercise *Generally Accepted Procedures* for admining servers (like I failed to do by not filtering clan/server specific bans from the shared ban list) are likely to configure the clients as the admin sees fit (for the session if the configs are read-only). Perhaps the community over at mani and mattie (now on sourcemod) should be lobbied in a positive manner to place information in the motd pertaining to plugins in use, what to expect, sound packs to download, custom map packs to download, where to go to obtain instructions on reporting undesireable conditions, etc. This requires some effort by the admin to keep up with over time. However, I think the mature players will greatly appreciate the level of professionalism. On the topic of *Generally Accepted Procedures*, perhaps we should engage in a thread to discuss and agree on any possible consistent behaviors for admins. (I'll hammer myself again on this one): Such as what types of bans are allowable to share, if any, and what documentation should accompany such bans, if allowable to be shared. Just some opinions and an idea, nothing more. If anyone else agrees a thread on *Generally Accepted Procedures* is worthy then by all means get it started. I won't because I am currently remaining fairly passive in the lists and especially where how many servers is involved. :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds
Uh oh, time for my two cents ;) Granted that having a ton of in-game sounds being pushed to your computer and then having to hear the spam afterwards is annoying. However, the one thing that Mani does that I 100% support is giving administrators *options* - believe it or not, there are actually players out there that like to hear that crap. I know, it's amazing ;) But who are we to dictate what admins can run on their servers and what they cant? Or what mod makers should write? Those of us out there that take the time to pour over the cvarlists and make sure that are servers are what would be considered 'quality' servers... this isn't a problem. When I saw the huge list of quake sounds in the latest Mani update, I just disabled that function altogether and that was that, no harm done. On a side-note - the Mani plugin has gotten so large now and with so many cvars... maybe it's about time to break it up into modules instead. One plugin for the main admin functions, another for sounds and effects, etc. Oh well. Anyways. Even tho I'd never personally allow all sorts of random sounds and chat to be heard/displayed on my server, I applaud the fact that the option exists. Food for thought. - K2 http://www.hardfought.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micha Vermeer Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds First of all, i hope, with great hope, that Mani, Beetlefart and other mod writers would be recieving this list and join in on this discussion about what to do and what not to do. It would be great having such a thread about just that, but I am 100% sure that it would turn out to be another flamethrowing thread. You can bring any 2 people in the world together, and you will never find a pair that agrees completely with anything... so many people, so many opinions. That's also the reason why I wanted to just throw my opinion in this group to make admins think about their practices (and mod makers included!) but I never expected to get a yes sir and amen. If mani decides to keep the default, I will just be swimming up against the flow and any other that would venture with me, because there always will be the ignorant admin that will never look at the defaults, let alone change them. And I fear those will always be in the majority (hopefully this list will not have any of such). We are always subject to the developers, so unless we can change their view, we won't make much progress. Mani and other mod developers might not even recognize the huge power they have, but with that power comes great responsibility. It is my opinion that mani made a mistake enabling the sounds feature by default, but as noted before he will change that, but in the mean time I guess I have to get used to press the cancel button a few more times... :/ (and small servers are already hard to find :/ ) Micha Vermeer /me goes off to play EvE, a great MMORPG... www.eve-online.com try it ;) -Original Message- List Keeper wrote: cl_allowdownload 0 wArgOd wrote: That is one way but doesn't it also disable download of other things? Like custom maps and associated materials/sounds (for those maps not compiled to include everything in the bsp)? However, the mattie plugin (re: mani forums for info) is pretty powerful and admins who do not exercise *Generally Accepted Procedures* for admining servers (like I failed to do by not filtering clan/server specific bans from the shared ban list) are likely to configure the clients as the admin sees fit (for the session if the configs are read-only). Perhaps the community over at mani and mattie (now on sourcemod) should be lobbied in a positive manner to place information in the motd pertaining to plugins in use, what to expect, sound packs to download, custom map packs to download, where to go to obtain instructions on reporting undesireable conditions, etc. This requires some effort by the admin to keep up with over time. However, I think the mature players will greatly appreciate the level of professionalism. On the topic of *Generally Accepted Procedures*, perhaps we should engage in a thread to discuss and agree on any possible consistent behaviors for admins. (I'll hammer myself again on this one): Such as what types of bans are allowable to share, if any, and what documentation should accompany such bans, if allowable to be shared. Just some opinions and an idea, nothing more. If anyone else agrees a thread on *Generally Accepted Procedures* is worthy then by all means get it started. I won't because I am currently remaining fairly passive in the lists and especially where how many servers is involved. :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds
EVE-Online is the best! http://www.voogru.com/images/eveisk.jpg AND YES THAT IMAGE IS REAL. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micha Vermeer Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds First of all, i hope, with great hope, that Mani, Beetlefart and other mod writers would be recieving this list and join in on this discussion about what to do and what not to do. It would be great having such a thread about just that, but I am 100% sure that it would turn out to be another flamethrowing thread. You can bring any 2 people in the world together, and you will never find a pair that agrees completely with anything... so many people, so many opinions. That's also the reason why I wanted to just throw my opinion in this group to make admins think about their practices (and mod makers included!) but I never expected to get a yes sir and amen. If mani decides to keep the default, I will just be swimming up against the flow and any other that would venture with me, because there always will be the ignorant admin that will never look at the defaults, let alone change them. And I fear those will always be in the majority (hopefully this list will not have any of such). We are always subject to the developers, so unless we can change their view, we won't make much progress. Mani and other mod developers might not even recognize the huge power they have, but with that power comes great responsibility. It is my opinion that mani made a mistake enabling the sounds feature by default, but as noted before he will change that, but in the mean time I guess I have to get used to press the cancel button a few more times... :/ (and small servers are already hard to find :/ ) Micha Vermeer /me goes off to play EvE, a great MMORPG... www.eve-online.com try it ;) -Original Message- List Keeper wrote: cl_allowdownload 0 wArgOd wrote: That is one way but doesn't it also disable download of other things? Like custom maps and associated materials/sounds (for those maps not compiled to include everything in the bsp)? However, the mattie plugin (re: mani forums for info) is pretty powerful and admins who do not exercise *Generally Accepted Procedures* for admining servers (like I failed to do by not filtering clan/server specific bans from the shared ban list) are likely to configure the clients as the admin sees fit (for the session if the configs are read-only). Perhaps the community over at mani and mattie (now on sourcemod) should be lobbied in a positive manner to place information in the motd pertaining to plugins in use, what to expect, sound packs to download, custom map packs to download, where to go to obtain instructions on reporting undesireable conditions, etc. This requires some effort by the admin to keep up with over time. However, I think the mature players will greatly appreciate the level of professionalism. On the topic of *Generally Accepted Procedures*, perhaps we should engage in a thread to discuss and agree on any possible consistent behaviors for admins. (I'll hammer myself again on this one): Such as what types of bans are allowable to share, if any, and what documentation should accompany such bans, if allowable to be shared. Just some opinions and an idea, nothing more. If anyone else agrees a thread on *Generally Accepted Procedures* is worthy then by all means get it started. I won't because I am currently remaining fairly passive in the lists and especially where how many servers is involved. :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds
i would just like to chime in a small bit and say how much i have grown to Hate the Sound features of Any and all server plugins. the sound features are growing out of control with some servers i have seen having up to 64MB of sound files and Crap music. i would very much like to see a change to stop all of this other then trying to talk sense into fellow server owner's, i would also like to see it go as far as removing said features but i get the feeling I'm the only one that would like that to happen. On Apr 9, 2005 4:02 PM, Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, i hope, with great hope, that Mani, Beetlefart and other mod writers would be recieving this list and join in on this discussion about what to do and what not to do. It would be great having such a thread about just that, but I am 100% sure that it would turn out to be another flamethrowing thread. You can bring any 2 people in the world together, and you will never find a pair that agrees completely with anything... so many people, so many opinions. That's also the reason why I wanted to just throw my opinion in this group to make admins think about their practices (and mod makers included!) but I never expected to get a yes sir and amen. If mani decides to keep the default, I will just be swimming up against the flow and any other that would venture with me, because there always will be the ignorant admin that will never look at the defaults, let alone change them. And I fear those will always be in the majority (hopefully this list will not have any of such). We are always subject to the developers, so unless we can change their view, we won't make much progress. Mani and other mod developers might not even recognize the huge power they have, but with that power comes great responsibility. It is my opinion that mani made a mistake enabling the sounds feature by default, but as noted before he will change that, but in the mean time I guess I have to get used to press the cancel button a few more times... :/ (and small servers are already hard to find :/ ) Micha Vermeer /me goes off to play EvE, a great MMORPG... www.eve-online.com try it ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds
I agree about the options - this is key. The frustrating thing about the whole sounds bit, is that *if* they are enabled - EVERYONE has to download them. When I had a server running with sounds - I received sooo many complaints about this. I hear mani is going to add the option for users to choose not to download them, which will be nice. I however will never host a server utilizing addon sounds again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K2 Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:42 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds Stephen, you're well within your rights to hate the sound features of the Mani plugin and others... but that's just your opinion. It only applies to any servers you decide to host on your own. As I said before... having options is key. I'm glad plugin authors have the ability to do what they do, and if you don't like the way a server admin has implemented some of their features, play somewhere else or host your own server ;) - K2 http://www.hardfought.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Micheals Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] what to do, or not to do... was Stupid Sounds i would just like to chime in a small bit and say how much i have grown to Hate the Sound features of Any and all server plugins. the sound features are growing out of control with some servers i have seen having up to 64MB of sound files and Crap music. i would very much like to see a change to stop all of this other then trying to talk sense into fellow server owner's, i would also like to see it go as far as removing said features but i get the feeling I'm the only one that would like that to happen. On Apr 9, 2005 4:02 PM, Micha Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, i hope, with great hope, that Mani, Beetlefart and other mod writers would be recieving this list and join in on this discussion about what to do and what not to do. It would be great having such a thread about just that, but I am 100% sure that it would turn out to be another flamethrowing thread. You can bring any 2 people in the world together, and you will never find a pair that agrees completely with anything... so many people, so many opinions. That's also the reason why I wanted to just throw my opinion in this group to make admins think about their practices (and mod makers included!) but I never expected to get a yes sir and amen. If mani decides to keep the default, I will just be swimming up against the flow and any other that would venture with me, because there always will be the ignorant admin that will never look at the defaults, let alone change them. And I fear those will always be in the majority (hopefully this list will not have any of such). We are always subject to the developers, so unless we can change their view, we won't make much progress. Mani and other mod developers might not even recognize the huge power they have, but with that power comes great responsibility. It is my opinion that mani made a mistake enabling the sounds feature by default, but as noted before he will change that, but in the mean time I guess I have to get used to press the cancel button a few more times... :/ (and small servers are already hard to find :/ ) Micha Vermeer /me goes off to play EvE, a great MMORPG... www.eve-online.com try it ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
