Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Public 24x servers are not easy to maintain. with 12v12, people loading/joining/leaving, and the inevitable idiots, teams feel very small. If you have more than a few idiots or more than a few people leave, suddenly its 8v5 and the place empties out. All three of our servers are 32x, stock respawn, with the only mods being deadtalk (they're not 'srs business' servers as much) and a mod I wrote that allows teleporter entrances in spawn. The latter is an attempt to ensure the 32x doesn't get stalematey, and it works rather well. Spies still do plenty of damage and it gives attack a little bit of an edge on the give or take maps. Overall, they're very fun and popular servers, tons of regulars, are full 24/7, and run very smooth. Of course, being public servers, you get idiots, but we have a 'admin' chat command that lets you call for backup and do our best to keep the idiots out. So maybe it's not servers with some non-vanilla mods, but shittily configured servers that don't pay attention to how their setups impact the overall fun of the server, and of course those who don't make it obvious what to expect, a la sv_tags. - Neph On 09/13/2009 07:51 PM, Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Most folks join 32 player servers because they don't know any better. More is more so the server browser naturally elevates the popularity of those servers. The quick list should mitigate that by choosing servers that are most like your play style. L4D don't allow 8v8 servers in the match making system, so I don't see why this is any different. All in all, 32 player doesn't bother me. It's the fact that the server-restricted rates are too low. 30K isn't going to cut it. sv_rate needs to be in the 60K range. Or at least until the choke isn't horrendous. Often times I run around a corner and don't see a scout until I've been blasted twice. (And I'm a very observant player if I do say so myself.) At the very least I think Valve should at least provide some additional knobs to turn when filtering the lists down. They need to set up the system to be more granular. The respawn times should be listed as a percentage of the default and built into the browser. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
well... if you wanna advertise yourself to all of your competition, sure. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: drunkenf...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:22:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Hey guys! Can I advertise here too? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of k e Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:38 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla We operate vanilla servers that are full most of the day, except early morning now that schools in session again. The only change we made was some class restrictions. Go to our website for the list www.hkcentral.net On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.comwrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
We operate vanilla servers that are full most of the day, except early morning now that schools in session again. The only change we made was some class restrictions. Go to our website for the list www.hkcentral.net On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.comwrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Hey guys! Can I advertise here too? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of k e Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:38 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla We operate vanilla servers that are full most of the day, except early morning now that schools in session again. The only change we made was some class restrictions. Go to our website for the list www.hkcentral.net On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.comwrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
True. People like 2fort, Hydro and stalemates, right? On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Krasnow mnk...@mnkras.com wrote: well first of all most people dont like to wait 20 seconds to respawn... On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.comwrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
well first of all most people dont like to wait 20 seconds to respawn... On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.comwrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
It's just that people aren't configuring the respawn times for payload and attack/defend cp maps properly. Our 24/7 goldrush server has 'fast respawn', with the blue team respawning in 3 seconds, and red in 13. Slightly faster than the normal map respawn values, but with enough of a difference in team respawn times that the map still gets a pretty even 50/50 distribution of wins by red and blue. We have a special config set up specifically for goldrush, and assuming we were on a rotation, we could set up a special config for each individual map. I would imagine that a lot of the fast respawn servers you get sent to were set up by admins who didn't take the time to make sure the times playtested well. Some of them probably even just stuck the plugin on the server and didn't bother to change the config file it generated. Mike O'Laughlen wrote: And yet... It takes the Blue team 15-20 seconds to make it to the cart on a Payload map. There's a reason for why the respawn time is the way it is. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Michael Krasnow mnk...@mnkras.com wrote: well first of all most people dont like to wait 20 seconds to respawn... On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Much like Matt, we have dedicated a TON of time to ensure that all of our fast respawn timers are perfectly balanced. We have a 24 slot stock respawn server, but it's the least popular out of all of our servers. People just don't like waiting, I guess =\ You're on the hlds list, so I assume you're a server op. Why not start your own sock server? Thank you, Alec Sanger Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:25:36 -0500 From: inflatablesoulm...@brothersofchaos.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla It's just that people aren't configuring the respawn times for payload and attack/defend cp maps properly. Our 24/7 goldrush server has 'fast respawn', with the blue team respawning in 3 seconds, and red in 13. Slightly faster than the normal map respawn values, but with enough of a difference in team respawn times that the map still gets a pretty even 50/50 distribution of wins by red and blue. We have a special config set up specifically for goldrush, and assuming we were on a rotation, we could set up a special config for each individual map. I would imagine that a lot of the fast respawn servers you get sent to were set up by admins who didn't take the time to make sure the times playtested well. Some of them probably even just stuck the plugin on the server and didn't bother to change the config file it generated. Mike O'Laughlen wrote: And yet... It takes the Blue team 15-20 seconds to make it to the cart on a Payload map. There's a reason for why the respawn time is the way it is. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Michael Krasnow mnk...@mnkras.com wrote: well first of all most people dont like to wait 20 seconds to respawn... On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Bing brings you health info from trusted sources. http://www.bing.com/search?q=pet+allergyform=MHEINApubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TXT_MHEINA_Health_Health_PetAllergy_1x1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Myth busters proved that a lead balloon can fly. On another note, my servers are properly tagged. Regardless of what you think, stock servers don't seem to stay full. I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of TheGeekLord Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Valves tag system is about as useful as a lead balloon. It should really be replaced with something better. In my opinion a game with a somewhat good filtering system is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (http://preview.tinyurl.com/qoupc2). -TheGeekLord Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Hm, I run stock as far as the things discussed here - 24 players, default respawn times, etc. The only 'significant' gameplay changes would be custom maps and alltalk. It's full most of the day. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: We have a 24 slot stock respawn server, but it's the least popular out of all of our servers. People just don't like waiting, I guess =\ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. How is 32 players and no crits a stock server? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of TheGeekLord Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Valves tag system is about as useful as a lead balloon. It should really be replaced with something better. In my opinion a game with a somewhat good filtering system is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (http://preview.tinyurl.com/qoupc2). -TheGeekLord Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
I was mistaken, my stock server is actually 24 public slots. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Vector Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:58 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. How is 32 players and no crits a stock server? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of TheGeekLord Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Valves tag system is about as useful as a lead balloon. It should really be replaced with something better. In my opinion a game with a somewhat good filtering system is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (http://preview.tinyurl.com/qoupc2). -TheGeekLord Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
The problem is that stock servers get boring after a while - having played one map on W:ET for almost a year with no variation I can relate to this. Having variations in the gameplay makes the game a lot more fun. An example of this is every now and again on our server we run special events where we change something major (ie: amount of items an engineer can build) for a few hours. It can be quite fun as a spy mass-sapping sentries (never underestimate the fun of mindless entertainment). -TheGeekLord Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: Myth busters proved that a lead balloon can fly. On another note, my servers are properly tagged. Regardless of what you think, stock servers don't seem to stay full. I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of TheGeekLord Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Valves tag system is about as useful as a lead balloon. It should really be replaced with something better. In my opinion a game with a somewhat good filtering system is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (http://preview.tinyurl.com/qoupc2). -TheGeekLord Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
I was refering more towards the No Crits. How is that vanilla? On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: I was mistaken, my stock server is actually 24 public slots. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Vector Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:58 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. How is 32 players and no crits a stock server? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of TheGeekLord Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Valves tag system is about as useful as a lead balloon. It should really be replaced with something better. In my opinion a game with a somewhat good filtering system is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (http://preview.tinyurl.com/qoupc2). -TheGeekLord Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
as GeekLord said variations make most things enjoyable for more people like lets say you think jarate takes to long to recharge you can change that in 1 cvar and that can improve gameplay then theres stuff like the equipment manager where you can wear any hat its purely cosmetic but its still fun (btw has anyone played scout ball? http://j.photos.cx/arena_offblast_final-545.jpg) Mnkras On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM, TheGeekLord li...@thegeeklord.net wrote: The problem is that stock servers get boring after a while - having played one map on W:ET for almost a year with no variation I can relate to this. Having variations in the gameplay makes the game a lot more fun. An example of this is every now and again on our server we run special events where we change something major (ie: amount of items an engineer can build) for a few hours. It can be quite fun as a spy mass-sapping sentries (never underestimate the fun of mindless entertainment). -TheGeekLord Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: Myth busters proved that a lead balloon can fly. On another note, my servers are properly tagged. Regardless of what you think, stock servers don't seem to stay full. I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of TheGeekLord Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Valves tag system is about as useful as a lead balloon. It should really be replaced with something better. In my opinion a game with a somewhat good filtering system is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (http://preview.tinyurl.com/qoupc2). -TheGeekLord Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
In my opinion allowing anyone to wear any hat is going a bit too far. I have seen people mess with hats for a _whole_ match and not contribute to the game at all. You have to be careful to add just enough variation to make your server popular but not too much as that is what drives away regulars. (oops, we went slightly off topic to the original post :x) -TheGeekLord Michael Krasnow wrote: as GeekLord said variations make most things enjoyable for more people like lets say you think jarate takes to long to recharge you can change that in 1 cvar and that can improve gameplay then theres stuff like the equipment manager where you can wear any hat its purely cosmetic but its still fun (btw has anyone played scout ball? http://j.photos.cx/arena_offblast_final-545.jpg) Mnkras On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM, TheGeekLord li...@thegeeklord.net wrote: The problem is that stock servers get boring after a while - having played one map on W:ET for almost a year with no variation I can relate to this. Having variations in the gameplay makes the game a lot more fun. An example of this is every now and again on our server we run special events where we change something major (ie: amount of items an engineer can build) for a few hours. It can be quite fun as a spy mass-sapping sentries (never underestimate the fun of mindless entertainment). -TheGeekLord Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: Myth busters proved that a lead balloon can fly. On another note, my servers are properly tagged. Regardless of what you think, stock servers don't seem to stay full. I have a stock server (no crits, no mods, other than 32 players) and its pretty much a ghost town. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of TheGeekLord Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla Valves tag system is about as useful as a lead balloon. It should really be replaced with something better. In my opinion a game with a somewhat good filtering system is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (http://preview.tinyurl.com/qoupc2). -TheGeekLord Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
I think if they tried to favor a certain type of server that people would start trying to game the system (again). Maybe the Vanilla server list needs a bit of a refresh. I run four 24 player vanilla servers and a couple other 24 player servers with light changes (nocrits / no spread) and I'm not listed on their list at all :) Just speaking from my perspective as a server operator if people want stock/vanilla servers to exist and be popular they should form groups that will actively go and seed those servers with players whe they are empty to get them going. I find the 24 player servers harder to keep populated than 32 player servers just because they can't absorb it when a few players drop due to a round ending or the map changing. One of the most frequent complaints I see on my servers is the respawn time :) If you want info on my servers drop me a line on steam. You sound interested in payload servers, and I run a 24/7 badwater and a payload rotation server so maybe I can help. - octodhd On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 02:40:07PM -0400, Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Most folks join 32 player servers because they don't know any better. More is more so the server browser naturally elevates the popularity of those servers. The quick list should mitigate that by choosing servers that are most like your play style. L4D don't allow 8v8 servers in the match making system, so I don't see why this is any different. All in all, 32 player doesn't bother me. It's the fact that the server-restricted rates are too low. 30K isn't going to cut it. sv_rate needs to be in the 60K range. Or at least until the choke isn't horrendous. Often times I run around a corner and don't see a scout until I've been blasted twice. (And I'm a very observant player if I do say so myself.) At the very least I think Valve should at least provide some additional knobs to turn when filtering the lists down. They need to set up the system to be more granular. The respawn times should be listed as a percentage of the default and built into the browser. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Octo octodhd_h...@monkeyrings.com wrote: I think if they tried to favor a certain type of server that people would start trying to game the system (again). Maybe the Vanilla server list needs a bit of a refresh. I run four 24 player vanilla servers and a couple other 24 player servers with light changes (nocrits / no spread) and I'm not listed on their list at all :) Just speaking from my perspective as a server operator if people want stock/vanilla servers to exist and be popular they should form groups that will actively go and seed those servers with players whe they are empty to get them going. I find the 24 player servers harder to keep populated than 32 player servers just because they can't absorb it when a few players drop due to a round ending or the map changing. One of the most frequent complaints I see on my servers is the respawn time :) If you want info on my servers drop me a line on steam. You sound interested in payload servers, and I run a 24/7 badwater and a payload rotation server so maybe I can help. - octodhd On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 02:40:07PM -0400, Mike O'Laughlen wrote: Why is it that my Valve map quick list always directs me to idle servers and 32-player/fast-respawn drivel? Sadly, even the traditional server list is composed 50% of 32-player server (with their 20 choke) and 25% fast respawn (breaking all payload maps). Where are all the vanilla servers on the East coast? I can't say it's Valve's fault. All of you take part in breaking a well-designed gaming experience. Some of you may reply filter for a vanilla server. Sadly, the tags aren't truthful. !increased_maxplayers consists of false negatives. Lots of 32 players still remain in the server browser. I've looked at the Vanilla steam group ( http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VTU), but most of the servers are empty. Am I the only gamer that wants to play the way the developers intended it to be played? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Make the Map Quick List 100% Vanilla
Mike O'Laughlen wrote: At the very least I think Valve should at least provide some additional knobs to turn when filtering the lists down. They need to set up the system to be more granular. The respawn times should be listed as a percentage of the default and built into the browser. You're not going to get valve to do this. The faster respawn times are usually handled by a plugin of some sort. In our case, it's Wozer's TF2 Fast Respawn plugin for sourcemod. It adds two new cvars that aren't stock for controlling the respawn times, and completely bypasses the mp_respawnwavetime cvar. That would mean that valve would have to specifically ask your server for cvars that are non-existant on a vanilla server. One thing valve *could* do would be to allow the master server to query your server based on filters that you typed in manually, then you could type in the cvar values you want to know when you perform the server search, but this wouldn't help any casual players out. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
