RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Guys this topic was played out 2 times already. Last time I started it Just accept that you need to mod your server to run 32 players and be happy that valve is not stopping you.. Really.matrix From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:39:22 -0500 I think the real solution is simple. Valve needs to quit limiting the player count to 24. Let the players decide for themselves if it's too laggy. Quit being the server nanny. Oh dear honey, a 32 player server might lag your pc so you're not allowed to see 32 player servers. ... Unless they hacked the engine.dll or wrote a plug-in to show the servers anyhow, then you can play there because those servers are teh uber h4x0rs!!! - voogru. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:19 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My host uses Windows and is letting me use the 32 player hack. They even provide it but I dont trust it as they dont always have the most up to date mods... But now I have a 30 slot server. I wonder if its better to just have 2 24 slot servers :P - Original Message From: Nephyrin Zey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:26:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is true, but that would just imply that many 24-man-server owners are not running 32-man servers because they are unable to. There are already enough 32man servers to flood pages of the listing, and those who still wish to run 24 slot servers can do so, so if there are those out there that wish they could run 32x but arn't given the option, wouldn't it be better to let them? It's just a game, after all. - Neph On Feb 11, 2008 9:08 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin
RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] As a 32 player server admin 1nsane your plug-in would be nice tho we don't have much trouble getting an engine.dll file. I'm sure their are other people working on that same thing and it's only a matter of time till someone puts it out to the public or sells it. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:49:15 -0600 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm just tired of being stuck at 24 slots, not because I want more players, but for the inability to add extra slots to the server to allow people to get in when the server is full via VIP. That's all I want, and I can't even do that since if I do, I'll get de-listed. I mean seriously, it's not like people want 64 slots like CS:S. =P I think 32 slots is manageable for TF2. -tsue -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I wouldn't call de-listing not stopping. -tsue On Feb 12, 2008 2:17 AM, Mike Stiehm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Guys this topic was played out 2 times already. Last time I started it Just accept that you need to mod your server to run 32 players and be happy that valve is not stopping you.. Really.matrix From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:39:22 -0500 I think the real solution is simple. Valve needs to quit limiting the player count to 24. Let the players decide for themselves if it's too laggy. Quit being the server nanny. Oh dear honey, a 32 player server might lag your pc so you're not allowed to see 32 player servers. ... Unless they hacked the engine.dll or wrote a plug-in to show the servers anyhow, then you can play there because those servers are teh uber h4x0rs!!! - voogru. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:19 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My host uses Windows and is letting me use the 32 player hack. They even provide it but I dont trust it as they dont always have the most up to date mods... But now I have a 30 slot server. I wonder if its better to just have 2 24 slot servers :P - Original Message From: Nephyrin Zey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:26:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is true, but that would just imply that many 24-man-server owners are not running 32-man servers because they are unable to. There are already enough 32man servers to flood pages of the listing, and those who still wish to run 24 slot servers can do so, so if there are those out there that wish they could run 32x but arn't given the option, wouldn't it be better to let them? It's just a game, after all. - Neph On Feb 11, 2008 9:08 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message meOn Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me
RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Right.. but not hard to correct that I wouldn't call de-listing not stopping.-tsue -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Nephyrin, Drunkenfool, and Voogru are the ones who can give the plug in out to you/everyone. I make the fixed engine.dll. So one of them will have be the ones releasing it. I already have the plugin, but it's not up to me to release it. On Feb 12, 2008 3:29 AM, Mike Stiehm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] As a 32 player server admin 1nsane your plug-in would be nice tho we don't have much trouble getting an engine.dll file. I'm sure their are other people working on that same thing and it's only a matter of time till someone puts it out to the public or sells it. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:49:15 -0600 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm just tired of being stuck at 24 slots, not because I want more players, but for the inability to add extra slots to the server to allow people to get in when the server is full via VIP. That's all I want, and I can't even do that since if I do, I'll get de-listed. I mean seriously, it's not like people want 64 slots like CS:S. =P I think 32 slots is manageable for TF2. -tsue -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My host uses Windows and is letting me use the 32 player hack. They even provide it but I dont trust it as they dont always have the most up to date mods... But now I have a 30 slot server. I wonder if its better to just have 2 24 slot servers :P - Original Message From: Nephyrin Zey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:26:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is true, but that would just imply that many 24-man-server owners are not running 32-man servers because they are unable to. There are already enough 32man servers to flood pages of the listing, and those who still wish to run 24 slot servers can do so, so if there are those out there that wish they could run 32x but arn't given the option, wouldn't it be better to let them? It's just a game, after all. - Neph On Feb 11, 2008 9:08 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not everyone has a host that lets them run 32 player servers, thanks to the fear of getting their IP's blacklisted. This fear was largely put to rest after the Update which fixed the 32nd player crash. And after that forum post from that Valve guy. Now a plugin would largely fix it. Install it once, don't worry about it. Instead of: Install it once Fear of an update making your server 24 slots again Hope some guy makes a fixed engine.dll just in time and is not actually mid flight. In which case we wait for a few hours, possibly longer. Now of course Valve is the only one that can fix this 100%, by officially allowing it. You'd think by now they would of succumbed to us. I mean it is what the community wants. I understand if their vision of the game had the servers capped at 24 players and that they wanted them to be at 24 at launch or soon after launch. So that the most amount of people could buy and enjoy the game whit out having performance problems. But the game is out now, and the community wants higher player counts. Well the server admins do, whether the 32 player servers are popular do to their positions on the list or due to player preference is another. But the fact is that the community wants it, the community already has it. Meh... It's all been said already. I'll just try to wait and see who does what and who does it first and what not oh and what Valve does, if anything. On Feb 11, 2008 10:26 PM, Nephyrin Zey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true, but that would just imply that many 24-man-server owners are not running 32-man servers because they are unable to. There are already enough 32man servers to flood pages of the listing, and those who still wish to run 24 slot servers can do so, so if there are those out there that wish they could run 32x but arn't given the option, wouldn't it be better to let them? It's just a game, after all. - Neph On Feb 11, 2008 9:08 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
This is true, but that would just imply that many 24-man-server owners are not running 32-man servers because they are unable to. There are already enough 32man servers to flood pages of the listing, and those who still wish to run 24 slot servers can do so, so if there are those out there that wish they could run 32x but arn't given the option, wouldn't it be better to let them? It's just a game, after all. - Neph On Feb 11, 2008 9:08 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The Linux version is already out... And was out for quite some time. I remember at least 2 server hosts replying and saying that they will be using it. Plus there is nothing preventing them from offering it anyways, for a higher price even and having a disclaimer saying Your server might not be the first one to appear on the list after an update if you do want more than 24 slots. I'm sure it would sell real good had someone tried that. On Feb 11, 2008 10:08 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Clearly we all know the main reason why this was not shared from the begging. But yes, now it's past that. The game can easily handle 32 players and people like the servers with higher user counts. If Valve released an update that officially allowed 32 players, that would be the best. But as their current stand is, they will not. In that case most people have to wait for me to make that engine.dll file and if it just so happens that I get run over by a cat and can't get the file out right away then there will only be servers with the newest patch out from one of us. Which gives us an unfair advantage over everyone, the other 32 player servers included. High slot counts appear higher in the list when sorted by slot counts. There is also a higher chance of a random empty 32 player server filling up and becoming full just at random than there is of a 24 player server filling up. And if either plugin is released it would make it easier for everyone, level out the playing field a bit. We still have other tricks up our sleeves when it comes to running a successful 32 player server, don't we? :P. Somehow I doubt Tony would of wanted to released his plugin had Neph never contacted him. I, for one, would like a delist bypass plugin like this out to the public. Not that I got bored of making a special engine.dll file whenever Valve releases an update. No, it's just the better solution. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why the drama..? I'm content with 24 slots though I'm sure others might want a copy, just release it and be done with it. - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
I think the real solution is simple. Valve needs to quit limiting the player count to 24. Let the players decide for themselves if it's too laggy. Quit being the server nanny. Oh dear honey, a 32 player server might lag your pc so you're not allowed to see 32 player servers. ... Unless they hacked the engine.dll or wrote a plug-in to show the servers anyhow, then you can play there because those servers are teh uber h4x0rs!!! - voogru. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:19 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My host uses Windows and is letting me use the 32 player hack. They even provide it but I dont trust it as they dont always have the most up to date mods... But now I have a 30 slot server. I wonder if its better to just have 2 24 slot servers :P - Original Message From: Nephyrin Zey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:26:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is true, but that would just imply that many 24-man-server owners are not running 32-man servers because they are unable to. There are already enough 32man servers to flood pages of the listing, and those who still wish to run 24 slot servers can do so, so if there are those out there that wish they could run 32x but arn't given the option, wouldn't it be better to let them? It's just a game, after all. - Neph On Feb 11, 2008 9:08 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But once a plugin is freely available, server hosts will most likely start offering 32 player servers. This was my only concern. Once that happens, I foresee 2/3 or more of all servers becoming 32 players. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never
RE: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
Hiya, I'm the bastard who messaged him on IRC about releasing a 32-player bypass hack. My reasoning is primarily: A) Anyone that wants to can still get a hacked engine.dll B) There are already more 32-slot servers than players wish to fill. This isn't about allowing 32x or not anymore. The only real effect of releasing a clean plugin to do it would be making it easier on admins who wouldn't have to wait for a new 'cracked' dll or convoluted LD_PRELOAD hack on linux, such that 32-slot servers are not exclusive to the slightly more daring crowd. I made the original 32x bypass for linux (the LD_PRELOAD one) so I could run my own server at 32x, and made it into a plugin simply for the fun of it. I never got a response on IRC, but if there's any convincing reasons not to put a plugin out there to do this I'd be glad to listen Of course, it would be better if Valve would just step in and fix this one way or the other. - Neph Nephyrin AIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Feel free to message me On Feb 11, 2008 8:26 PM, Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant a plugin, not a hacked engine file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres already one from battlerealms.cc. I say if you cut off the source you dont get anymore 32 slot servers which I wont miss, even though I run one lol... Its up to you but if I were you I would keep it private or even sell it ;) - Original Message From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:48:05 PM Subject: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, I've been considering releasing my 32 player delist plugin for TF2 server (works for both Windows and Linux). I thought I was convinced that I wasn't going to release it, but then, somebody messages me on IRC saying he is contemplating the same thing. So, should such a plugin be released to the general public? I'm trying to get some opinions here so that I can decide once and for all whether or not to release it. Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] 32 player delist plugin
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm just tired of being stuck at 24 slots, not because I want more players, but for the inability to add extra slots to the server to allow people to get in when the server is full via VIP. That's all I want, and I can't even do that since if I do, I'll get de-listed. I mean seriously, it's not like people want 64 slots like CS:S. =P I think 32 slots is manageable for TF2. -tsue -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
