Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Kyle Sanderson]

Hello.

Apparently this is still disabled in CS:S (for good reason). The
ConVar (sv_noroundstats) was removed from CS:GO, and we're seeing the
same problem there as well. Can we please have the ConVar
(sv_noroundstats) added back to the CS:GO
CCSGameStats::UploadRoundStats function?

Here's the same hack for CS:GO (Thanks to Drifter):
https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1796226

Thanks,
Kyle.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Jason Ruymen  wrote:
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific 
> changes include:
>
> - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until 
> the reporting problems are solved
>
> Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[1nsane]

Thank you for releasing a bug fix update on the weekend. It is much
appreciated.

Furthermore thank you for making it required as most servers would not
bother otherwise.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote:

> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The
> specific changes include:
>
> - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default
> until the reporting problems are solved
>
> Jason
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[SakeFox]

didn't this exact same thing happen with tf2 a few years ago? Seems like 
Deja vu all over again.


On 9/17/2011 7:26 PM, Tony Paloma wrote:

And for the technical folks on these lists, UploadRoundStats will still be 
called, it just won't do anything. As always, if you're having any problems, 
post about it on the list. If you were running a server plugin to disable stats 
reporting, please remove it as it should no longer be necessary.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:19 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 
server mailing list'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Subject: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific 
changes include:

- Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until 
the reporting problems are solved

Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Tony Paloma]

And for the technical folks on these lists, UploadRoundStats will still be 
called, it just won't do anything. As always, if you're having any problems, 
post about it on the list. If you were running a server plugin to disable stats 
reporting, please remove it as it should no longer be necessary.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:19 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 
server mailing list'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Subject: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific 
changes include:

- Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until 
the reporting problems are solved

Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Kyle Sanderson]

lol.

Thanks,
Kyle.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote:

> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The
> specific changes include:
>
> - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default
> until the reporting problems are solved
>
> Jason
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[fab]

steam server sucks
Le 30/10/2010 00:09, Jason Ruymen a écrit :

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific 
changes include:

- Fixed performance issues and memory leaks related to scoreboard display.
- Fixed long-standing bug in which a player would see another player in a 
grenade-throwing animation when they no longer had a grenade as their active 
weapon.
- Fixed animation problem ("crab walk") caused by aborting bomb plant by using 
the drop command.
- Fixed several ragdoll animation problems related to cl_minmodels.
- Fixed several crashes that could be caused by user modified .res files.
- Run sounds are no longer heard from players walking with the Scout equipped.
- Player's last match stats will no longer be updated if the player did not 
actually participate in the match (e.g. only spectated).
- Flagged bot_mimic and bot_flipout as CHEAT vars.
- Fixed "Cold War" achievement so that it now requires the correct number of 
opposing players.
- Fixed hud_showtargetid; added hud_showtargetpos for setting the on-screen 
location of the targeted.
- Fixed bug in which the client camera would jump to another player if the 
player died when mp_fadetoblack is enabled.
- Removed extraneous/incorrect help text for nightvision goggles.
- Fixed bug in which the spectator UI would disappear after a mode switch or 
similar renderer change.
- Changed the size of the bomb icon on the spectator UI

Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Kigen]

Yay. More updates. :D


On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Formologic23
 wrote:
> Fantastic...
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific
> changes are:
>
> - Fixed incorrect distance on flashbang effect.
> - Reverted changes to de_inferno and de_nuke.
>
> Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Formologic23]

Fantastic...

-Original Message-
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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:25 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated
Win32 server mailing list'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific
changes are:

- Fixed incorrect distance on flashbang effect.
- Reverted changes to de_inferno and de_nuke.

Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Saul Rennison]

Quote from the forums:
"Running speed has not changed at all. Only walking speed. Instead of 100
it's now 130. (with pistol)"

Thanks,
 - Saul.


On 30 August 2010 23:16, Scott Highland  wrote:

>
>
> Anyone know what it used to be?
>
>
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 2:38 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote:
>
>> - Changed walk speed to be 0.52x of run speed ( Counter-Strike 1.6 )
>>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Scott Highland]

Anyone know what it used to be?



On 8/30/2010 2:38 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote:

- Changed walk speed to be 0.52x of run speed ( Counter-Strike 1.6 )


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[HL-SDK Synths]

Admit, I sold this top dollar!

On Aug 25, 2010 6:16 PM, "Allan Button"  wrote:

Ne,

This means valve will have to put some effort in to fixing the alt+tab bug
that's in every source game. My guess is this bug will be around for years.

Enjoy the free hacks!

Allan


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Allan Button]

Ne,

This means valve will have to put some effort in to fixing the alt+tab bug 
that's in every source game. My guess is this bug will be around for years.

Enjoy the free hacks!

Allan

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of HL-SDK Synths
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:36 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

No one will abuse that, trust ne ;-/

On Aug 24, 2010 9:20 PM, "gmail"  wrote:

Make alt+tab

Map change cs_office to de_nuke

Return in game and have a free whall hack

http://img245.imageshack.us/g/denuke0002a.jpg/

nice update
(ati 5870 + catalyst 10.7 + seven 64)

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: mercredi 25 août 2010 00:46 À : 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing 
list'; 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Objet : [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released


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- Add...
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[HL-SDK Synths]

No one will abuse that, trust ne ;-/

On Aug 24, 2010 9:20 PM, "gmail"  wrote:

Make alt+tab

Map change cs_office to de_nuke

Return in game and have a free whall hack

http://img245.imageshack.us/g/denuke0002a.jpg/

nice update
(ati 5870 + catalyst 10.7 + seven 64)

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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] De la part de Jason Ruymen
Envoyé : mercredi 25 août 2010 00:46
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'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Objet : [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released


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- Add...
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[gmail]

Make alt+tab

Map change cs_office to de_nuke

Return in game and have a free whall hack

http://img245.imageshack.us/g/denuke0002a.jpg/

nice update
(ati 5870 + catalyst 10.7 + seven 64)

-Message d'origine-
De : hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] De la part de Jason Ruymen
Envoyé : mercredi 25 août 2010 00:46
À : 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Objet : [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  The specific
changes include:

- Added a new server ConVar "sv_competitive_minspec" that enforces the
following restrictions on clients when set to 1:
  - r_drawdetailprops     1
  - r_staticprop_lod  (-1 to 3)
  - fps_max   minimum 60 (or 0)
  - cl_detailfade     minimum 400
  - cl_detaildist     minimum 1200
  - cl_interp (0 to 0.031)
  - cl_interp_ratio   (1 to 2)
- Fixed ragdolls popping when using mp_fadetoblack 1
- Fixed a buffer overrun exploit that could be used to attack/crash servers.
- Fixed a crash at startup when no sound emitter scripts were loaded.
- Fixed a crash that could happen if a custom model was loaded with missing
materials.
- Fixed a crashed related to alt-tab.
- Fixed a potential crash in the shaders.
- Fixed a crash when running custom maps with missing model files
- Removed the client console commands "mat_supress" and "mat_debug"

Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[msleeper]

They also use servers provided by various third parties, but those are a
lot fewer than the ones they host themselves.


On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 17:52 -0700, DontWannaName! wrote:
> Last time I checked, they use http://www.limelightnetworks.com/ and Quest
> data centers for servers. Players are getting a higher priority and we are
> being shorthanded, thats pretty much how I believe its being done. Plus
> players get auto updates so they start downloading before we even see the
> news post. So thats thousands of steam users downloading a game at once and
> THEN we try to update after everyone has started and get retrying...
> retrying... retrying...
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > Releasing a required update without the capacity to handle everyone
> > updating at once is a problem -- expecting people to leave their servers
> > broken to reduce Valve's load isn't an acceptable solution.
> >
> > Valve should either invest in the infrastructure to handle it or work with
> > a service such as Akamai to handle the load from updates.
> >
> > If TF2 is any indication, don't expect advance notification or beta
> > releases (Valve even released an update they knew would break almost all
> > management plugins without giving notification or a beta for the plugin
> > developers to work with).
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Hoffman 
> > Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:34:55
> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<
> > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> > Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> >
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> >
> > Consider the flip side of the coin; It reduces server load on Steam when
> > not
> > everyone tries to update at once.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike Vail 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Jason, Thanks so much for the update.
> > >
> > > Will you good folks over at Valve ever give advanced notice of these
> > > updates
> > > to us? CSS is now just like TF2 with regular updates and no warning at
> > all
> > > to Admins that they are coming. We all knew this was coming when the game
> > > was ported over to the new engine.
> > >
> > > I was at work and came home to find a ton of messages from players and
> > saw
> > > my servers were empty for the past 3 hrs because people couldn't connect
> > > until I updated them. It just doesn't seem like it would be that hard to
> > > post a 24-hour notice on this list that updates are coming so the
> > hundreds
> > > of Admins, Sysdevs, coders and GSPs can be prepared to deal with the
> > > fallout
> > > or run the updatetool when the time comes.
> > >
> > > Add to the fact that now we've been waiting for 40 minutes for updates
> > from
> > > overwhelmed Steam content servers on the west coast of the US, the whole
> > > regular update thing is getting old. Now I see we have to update yet
> > again!
> > > I sure hope the updating slows down soon or we can get some advanced
> > > notice.
> > > It sure would help those of us who care for our servers.
> > >
> > > Regardless, thanks for the good work on the game. It's much appreciated.
> > > M. Vail
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Niels Meijer
> > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:19 PM
> > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> > >
> > > Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D
> > >
> > > Niels Meijer.
> > >
> > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> > > Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
> > > Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
> > > Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
> > > 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
> > > Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> > >
> > > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The
> > > specific
> > > changes include:
> > >
> > > - Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in
> > > Option

Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[DontWannaName!]

Last time I checked, they use http://www.limelightnetworks.com/ and Quest
data centers for servers. Players are getting a higher priority and we are
being shorthanded, thats pretty much how I believe its being done. Plus
players get auto updates so they start downloading before we even see the
news post. So thats thousands of steam users downloading a game at once and
THEN we try to update after everyone has started and get retrying...
retrying... retrying...


On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM,  wrote:

> Releasing a required update without the capacity to handle everyone
> updating at once is a problem -- expecting people to leave their servers
> broken to reduce Valve's load isn't an acceptable solution.
>
> Valve should either invest in the infrastructure to handle it or work with
> a service such as Akamai to handle the load from updates.
>
> If TF2 is any indication, don't expect advance notification or beta
> releases (Valve even released an update they knew would break almost all
> management plugins without giving notification or a beta for the plugin
> developers to work with).
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoffman 
> Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:34:55
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list<
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>
> Consider the flip side of the coin; It reduces server load on Steam when
> not
> everyone tries to update at once.
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike Vail 
> wrote:
>
> > Jason, Thanks so much for the update.
> >
> > Will you good folks over at Valve ever give advanced notice of these
> > updates
> > to us? CSS is now just like TF2 with regular updates and no warning at
> all
> > to Admins that they are coming. We all knew this was coming when the game
> > was ported over to the new engine.
> >
> > I was at work and came home to find a ton of messages from players and
> saw
> > my servers were empty for the past 3 hrs because people couldn't connect
> > until I updated them. It just doesn't seem like it would be that hard to
> > post a 24-hour notice on this list that updates are coming so the
> hundreds
> > of Admins, Sysdevs, coders and GSPs can be prepared to deal with the
> > fallout
> > or run the updatetool when the time comes.
> >
> > Add to the fact that now we've been waiting for 40 minutes for updates
> from
> > overwhelmed Steam content servers on the west coast of the US, the whole
> > regular update thing is getting old. Now I see we have to update yet
> again!
> > I sure hope the updating slows down soon or we can get some advanced
> > notice.
> > It sure would help those of us who care for our servers.
> >
> > Regardless, thanks for the good work on the game. It's much appreciated.
> > M. Vail
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Niels Meijer
> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:19 PM
> > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> >
> > Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D
> >
> > Niels Meijer.
> >
> > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> > Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
> > Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
> > Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
> > 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
> > Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> >
> > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The
> > specific
> > changes include:
> >
> > - Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in
> > Options->Multiplayer->Advanced
> > )
> > - Added new achievement "CLAN WARFARE": Win a match of at least 10
> players
> > where the entirety of each team is composed of a single clan.
> > - All weapon fire rates now tuned to match their pre-update, tickrate 100
> > equivalents.
> > (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368659)
> > - Added automatic server tagging for some server convars (
> "mp_startmoney",
> > "mp_friendlyfire", "bot_quota", "sv_nostats", "sv_allowminmodels" )
> > - Fixed some issues for 

Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[edac]

Releasing a required update without the capacity to handle everyone updating at 
once is a problem -- expecting people to leave their servers broken to reduce 
Valve's load isn't an acceptable solution.

Valve should either invest in the infrastructure to handle it or work with a 
service such as Akamai to handle the load from updates.

If TF2 is any indication, don't expect advance notification or beta releases 
(Valve even released an update they knew would break almost all management 
plugins without giving notification or a beta for the plugin developers to work 
with).
-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoffman 
Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:34:55 
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
        
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

Consider the flip side of the coin; It reduces server load on Steam when not
everyone tries to update at once.

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike Vail  wrote:

> Jason, Thanks so much for the update.
>
> Will you good folks over at Valve ever give advanced notice of these
> updates
> to us? CSS is now just like TF2 with regular updates and no warning at all
> to Admins that they are coming. We all knew this was coming when the game
> was ported over to the new engine.
>
> I was at work and came home to find a ton of messages from players and saw
> my servers were empty for the past 3 hrs because people couldn't connect
> until I updated them. It just doesn't seem like it would be that hard to
> post a 24-hour notice on this list that updates are coming so the hundreds
> of Admins, Sysdevs, coders and GSPs can be prepared to deal with the
> fallout
> or run the updatetool when the time comes.
>
> Add to the fact that now we've been waiting for 40 minutes for updates from
> overwhelmed Steam content servers on the west coast of the US, the whole
> regular update thing is getting old. Now I see we have to update yet again!
> I sure hope the updating slows down soon or we can get some advanced
> notice.
> It sure would help those of us who care for our servers.
>
> Regardless, thanks for the good work on the game. It's much appreciated.
> M. Vail
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Niels Meijer
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>
> Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D
>
> Niels Meijer.
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
> Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
> 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
> Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The
> specific
> changes include:
>
> - Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in
> Options->Multiplayer->Advanced
> )
> - Added new achievement "CLAN WARFARE": Win a match of at least 10 players
> where the entirety of each team is composed of a single clan.
> - All weapon fire rates now tuned to match their pre-update, tickrate 100
> equivalents.
> (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368659)
> - Added automatic server tagging for some server convars ( "mp_startmoney",
> "mp_friendlyfire", "bot_quota", "sv_nostats", "sv_allowminmodels" )
> - Fixed some issues for players who were experiencing stat corruption.
> - Fixed several server crash exploits.
> - Fixed server commands "sv_disablefreezecam" and "sv_nowinpanel" not
> working on dedicated servers.
> - Adjusted some DX9 shaders to look more like their DX8 counterparts, e.g.
> flashbang effect.
> - Community Requests:
>- Fixed entity I/O messages "OnPlayerPickup" and "OnPlayerUse".
>- Restored UTF-8 support in the console.
>- Added env_hudhint entity, for use in custom maps (The allplayers
> flag must be set for the hint to work in Counter-Strike.)
>- Added client convar "sv_hudhint_sound" to turn off emit sound for
> hud hints.
>- Restored the "cl_minmodels" client convar.
>- Added server convar "sv_allowminmodels" that allows them to
> prevent clients from using "cl_minmodels".
>- Added a button to Options->Multi

Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Michael Krasnow]

GENTLEMEN

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:38 PM, mike fanoni wrote:

> THE WORM HAS TURNED
>
> On Jul 23, 2010 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoffman" 
> wrote:
>
> Consider the flip side of the coin; It reduces server load on Steam when
> not
> everyone tries to update at once.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike Vail 
> wrote:
>
> > Jason, Thanks so mu...
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[mike fanoni]

THE WORM HAS TURNED

On Jul 23, 2010 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoffman"  wrote:

Consider the flip side of the coin; It reduces server load on Steam when not
everyone tries to update at once.


On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike Vail  wrote:

> Jason, Thanks so mu...
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[DontWannaName!]

You guys have been spoiled for the past couple of years. Its time to get
that tool ready for weekly updates. You'll get used to it.

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike Vail  wrote:

> Jason, Thanks so much for the update.
>
> Will you good folks over at Valve ever give advanced notice of these
> updates
> to us? CSS is now just like TF2 with regular updates and no warning at all
> to Admins that they are coming. We all knew this was coming when the game
> was ported over to the new engine.
>
> I was at work and came home to find a ton of messages from players and saw
> my servers were empty for the past 3 hrs because people couldn't connect
> until I updated them. It just doesn't seem like it would be that hard to
> post a 24-hour notice on this list that updates are coming so the hundreds
> of Admins, Sysdevs, coders and GSPs can be prepared to deal with the
> fallout
> or run the updatetool when the time comes.
>
> Add to the fact that now we've been waiting for 40 minutes for updates from
> overwhelmed Steam content servers on the west coast of the US, the whole
> regular update thing is getting old. Now I see we have to update yet again!
> I sure hope the updating slows down soon or we can get some advanced
> notice.
> It sure would help those of us who care for our servers.
>
> Regardless, thanks for the good work on the game. It's much appreciated.
> M. Vail
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Niels Meijer
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>
> Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D
>
> Niels Meijer.
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
> Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
> 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
> Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The
> specific
> changes include:
>
> - Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in
> Options->Multiplayer->Advanced
> )
> - Added new achievement "CLAN WARFARE": Win a match of at least 10 players
> where the entirety of each team is composed of a single clan.
> - All weapon fire rates now tuned to match their pre-update, tickrate 100
> equivalents.
> (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368659)
> - Added automatic server tagging for some server convars ( "mp_startmoney",
> "mp_friendlyfire", "bot_quota", "sv_nostats", "sv_allowminmodels" )
> - Fixed some issues for players who were experiencing stat corruption.
> - Fixed several server crash exploits.
> - Fixed server commands "sv_disablefreezecam" and "sv_nowinpanel" not
> working on dedicated servers.
> - Adjusted some DX9 shaders to look more like their DX8 counterparts, e.g.
> flashbang effect.
> - Community Requests:
>- Fixed entity I/O messages "OnPlayerPickup" and "OnPlayerUse".
>- Restored UTF-8 support in the console.
>- Added env_hudhint entity, for use in custom maps (The allplayers
> flag must be set for the hint to work in Counter-Strike.)
>- Added client convar "sv_hudhint_sound" to turn off emit sound for
> hud hints.
>- Restored the "cl_minmodels" client convar.
>- Added server convar "sv_allowminmodels" that allows them to
> prevent clients from using "cl_minmodels".
>- Added a button to Options->Multiplayer that allows players to
> reset their in-game stats.
>- Note:  Due to the nature of stats corruption, it is not
> possible to automatically fix all types of stats (such as weapon statistics
> reflecting usage of the wrong weapon).  Players who suspect their stats are
> incorrect and wish to start fresh may want to use the new stat reset
> feature.
>
> Jason
>
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Matt Hoffman]

Consider the flip side of the coin; It reduces server load on Steam when not
everyone tries to update at once.

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike Vail  wrote:

> Jason, Thanks so much for the update.
>
> Will you good folks over at Valve ever give advanced notice of these
> updates
> to us? CSS is now just like TF2 with regular updates and no warning at all
> to Admins that they are coming. We all knew this was coming when the game
> was ported over to the new engine.
>
> I was at work and came home to find a ton of messages from players and saw
> my servers were empty for the past 3 hrs because people couldn't connect
> until I updated them. It just doesn't seem like it would be that hard to
> post a 24-hour notice on this list that updates are coming so the hundreds
> of Admins, Sysdevs, coders and GSPs can be prepared to deal with the
> fallout
> or run the updatetool when the time comes.
>
> Add to the fact that now we've been waiting for 40 minutes for updates from
> overwhelmed Steam content servers on the west coast of the US, the whole
> regular update thing is getting old. Now I see we have to update yet again!
> I sure hope the updating slows down soon or we can get some advanced
> notice.
> It sure would help those of us who care for our servers.
>
> Regardless, thanks for the good work on the game. It's much appreciated.
> M. Vail
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Niels Meijer
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>
> Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D
>
> Niels Meijer.
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
> Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
> 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
> Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The
> specific
> changes include:
>
> - Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in
> Options->Multiplayer->Advanced
> )
> - Added new achievement "CLAN WARFARE": Win a match of at least 10 players
> where the entirety of each team is composed of a single clan.
> - All weapon fire rates now tuned to match their pre-update, tickrate 100
> equivalents.
> (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368659)
> - Added automatic server tagging for some server convars ( "mp_startmoney",
> "mp_friendlyfire", "bot_quota", "sv_nostats", "sv_allowminmodels" )
> - Fixed some issues for players who were experiencing stat corruption.
> - Fixed several server crash exploits.
> - Fixed server commands "sv_disablefreezecam" and "sv_nowinpanel" not
> working on dedicated servers.
> - Adjusted some DX9 shaders to look more like their DX8 counterparts, e.g.
> flashbang effect.
> - Community Requests:
>- Fixed entity I/O messages "OnPlayerPickup" and "OnPlayerUse".
>- Restored UTF-8 support in the console.
>- Added env_hudhint entity, for use in custom maps (The allplayers
> flag must be set for the hint to work in Counter-Strike.)
>- Added client convar "sv_hudhint_sound" to turn off emit sound for
> hud hints.
>- Restored the "cl_minmodels" client convar.
>- Added server convar "sv_allowminmodels" that allows them to
> prevent clients from using "cl_minmodels".
>- Added a button to Options->Multiplayer that allows players to
> reset their in-game stats.
>- Note:  Due to the nature of stats corruption, it is not
> possible to automatically fix all types of stats (such as weapon statistics
> reflecting usage of the wrong weapon).  Players who suspect their stats are
> incorrect and wish to start fresh may want to use the new stat reset
> feature.
>
> Jason
>
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Mike Vail]

Jason, Thanks so much for the update. 

Will you good folks over at Valve ever give advanced notice of these updates
to us? CSS is now just like TF2 with regular updates and no warning at all
to Admins that they are coming. We all knew this was coming when the game
was ported over to the new engine.

I was at work and came home to find a ton of messages from players and saw
my servers were empty for the past 3 hrs because people couldn't connect
until I updated them. It just doesn't seem like it would be that hard to
post a 24-hour notice on this list that updates are coming so the hundreds
of Admins, Sysdevs, coders and GSPs can be prepared to deal with the fallout
or run the updatetool when the time comes. 

Add to the fact that now we've been waiting for 40 minutes for updates from
overwhelmed Steam content servers on the west coast of the US, the whole
regular update thing is getting old. Now I see we have to update yet again!
I sure hope the updating slows down soon or we can get some advanced notice.
It sure would help those of us who care for our servers.

Regardless, thanks for the good work on the game. It's much appreciated.
M. Vail

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Niels Meijer
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:19 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D

Niels Meijer.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific
changes include:

- Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in Options->Multiplayer->Advanced
)
- Added new achievement "CLAN WARFARE": Win a match of at least 10 players
where the entirety of each team is composed of a single clan.
- All weapon fire rates now tuned to match their pre-update, tickrate 100
equivalents.
(http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368659)
- Added automatic server tagging for some server convars ( "mp_startmoney",
"mp_friendlyfire", "bot_quota", "sv_nostats", "sv_allowminmodels" )
- Fixed some issues for players who were experiencing stat corruption.
- Fixed several server crash exploits.
- Fixed server commands "sv_disablefreezecam" and "sv_nowinpanel" not
working on dedicated servers.
- Adjusted some DX9 shaders to look more like their DX8 counterparts, e.g.
flashbang effect.
- Community Requests:
- Fixed entity I/O messages "OnPlayerPickup" and "OnPlayerUse".
- Restored UTF-8 support in the console.
- Added env_hudhint entity, for use in custom maps (The allplayers
flag must be set for the hint to work in Counter-Strike.)  
- Added client convar "sv_hudhint_sound" to turn off emit sound for
hud hints.
- Restored the "cl_minmodels" client convar.
- Added server convar "sv_allowminmodels" that allows them to
prevent clients from using "cl_minmodels".
- Added a button to Options->Multiplayer that allows players to
reset their in-game stats.
- Note:  Due to the nature of stats corruption, it is not
possible to automatically fix all types of stats (such as weapon statistics
reflecting usage of the wrong weapon).  Players who suspect their stats are
incorrect and wish to start fresh may want to use the new stat reset
feature.

Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Mark Gunnett]

Maybe. I'm still trying to get it to work XD

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kireas  wrote:

> Will the clan tag feature make it's way across to other source games?
> That'd
> be nice.
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Kireas]

Will the clan tag feature make it's way across to other source games? That'd
be nice.
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Dominic Marciano]

This update appears to have broken lots of custom maps. upon downloading the 
maps when connecting to the server people receive a CRC error.
this is at a lan, just now.

> From: nielsmei...@hotmail.com
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:19:01 +0200
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> 
> Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D
> 
> Niels Meijer.
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
> Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
> 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
> Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> 
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific
> changes include:
> 
> - Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in Options->Multiplayer->Advanced
> )
> - Added new achievement "CLAN WARFARE": Win a match of at least 10 players
> where the entirety of each team is composed of a single clan.
> - All weapon fire rates now tuned to match their pre-update, tickrate 100
> equivalents.
> (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368659)
> - Added automatic server tagging for some server convars ( "mp_startmoney",
> "mp_friendlyfire", "bot_quota", "sv_nostats", "sv_allowminmodels" )
> - Fixed some issues for players who were experiencing stat corruption.
> - Fixed several server crash exploits.
> - Fixed server commands "sv_disablefreezecam" and "sv_nowinpanel" not
> working on dedicated servers.
> - Adjusted some DX9 shaders to look more like their DX8 counterparts, e.g.
> flashbang effect.
> - Community Requests:
>   - Fixed entity I/O messages "OnPlayerPickup" and "OnPlayerUse".
>   - Restored UTF-8 support in the console.
>   - Added env_hudhint entity, for use in custom maps (The allplayers
> flag must be set for the hint to work in Counter-Strike.)  
>   - Added client convar "sv_hudhint_sound" to turn off emit sound for
> hud hints.
>   - Restored the "cl_minmodels" client convar.
>   - Added server convar "sv_allowminmodels" that allows them to
> prevent clients from using "cl_minmodels".
>   - Added a button to Options->Multiplayer that allows players to
> reset their in-game stats.
>   - Note:  Due to the nature of stats corruption, it is not
> possible to automatically fix all types of stats (such as weapon statistics
> reflecting usage of the wrong weapon).  Players who suspect their stats are
> incorrect and wish to start fresh may want to use the new stat reset
> feature.
> 
> Jason
> 
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Niels Meijer]

Awesome.. really like the tick100 and fire-rates fix :D

Niels Meijer.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Jason Ruymen
Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 22:56
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'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Onderwerp: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  The specific
changes include:

- Added Steam Clan Tag support ( Set yours in Options->Multiplayer->Advanced
)
- Added new achievement "CLAN WARFARE": Win a match of at least 10 players
where the entirety of each team is composed of a single clan.
- All weapon fire rates now tuned to match their pre-update, tickrate 100
equivalents.
(http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368659)
- Added automatic server tagging for some server convars ( "mp_startmoney",
"mp_friendlyfire", "bot_quota", "sv_nostats", "sv_allowminmodels" )
- Fixed some issues for players who were experiencing stat corruption.
- Fixed several server crash exploits.
- Fixed server commands "sv_disablefreezecam" and "sv_nowinpanel" not
working on dedicated servers.
- Adjusted some DX9 shaders to look more like their DX8 counterparts, e.g.
flashbang effect.
- Community Requests:
- Fixed entity I/O messages "OnPlayerPickup" and "OnPlayerUse".
- Restored UTF-8 support in the console.
- Added env_hudhint entity, for use in custom maps (The allplayers
flag must be set for the hint to work in Counter-Strike.)  
- Added client convar "sv_hudhint_sound" to turn off emit sound for
hud hints.
- Restored the "cl_minmodels" client convar.
- Added server convar "sv_allowminmodels" that allows them to
prevent clients from using "cl_minmodels".
- Added a button to Options->Multiplayer that allows players to
reset their in-game stats.
- Note:  Due to the nature of stats corruption, it is not
possible to automatically fix all types of stats (such as weapon statistics
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[ics]

Whenever there is an engine update, it affects CSS, TF2 and DODS but it 
is not required untill a mandatory update arrives to any of these games. 
This time it was required only for CSS, not for TF2 and DODS so there is 
no need to update your TF2 and DODS servers, untill an update arrives 
for them. I'm guessing TF2 will have and update soon, perhaps even today 
due to the Polycount contest winners.


-ics

16.7.2010 1:16, Shizzle Nizzle kirjoitti:

i thought it was a client side update for tf2/css/dods, since it said
'engine'

and css was the only one that had a server side change.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:07 PM, DontWannaName!wrote:

   

Im guessing its optional for all other games.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jason Ruymen 

wrote:
   
 

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released.  Please
   

use
 

hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:

Engine:
- Tuned thread initialization to improve performance on CPUs with more
   

than
 

four cores

Counter-Strike: Source:
- Fixed leftover shadows when ragdoll physics are disabled
- Added stats gathering to track client and server performance
- Added instrumentation to help debug network issues
- Disabled some unsupported threading convars

Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Shizzle Nizzle]

i thought it was a client side update for tf2/css/dods, since it said
'engine'

and css was the only one that had a server side change.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:07 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

> Im guessing its optional for all other games.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jason Ruymen  >wrote:
>
> > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released.  Please
> use
> > hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
> >
> > Engine:
> > - Tuned thread initialization to improve performance on CPUs with more
> than
> > four cores
> >
> > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > - Fixed leftover shadows when ragdoll physics are disabled
> > - Added stats gathering to track client and server performance
> > - Added instrumentation to help debug network issues
> > - Disabled some unsupported threading convars
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[DontWannaName!]

Im guessing its optional for all other games.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote:

> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released.  Please use
> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> Engine:
> - Tuned thread initialization to improve performance on CPUs with more than
> four cores
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Fixed leftover shadows when ragdoll physics are disabled
> - Added stats gathering to track client and server performance
> - Added instrumentation to help debug network issues
> - Disabled some unsupported threading convars
>
> Jason
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Lane Eckley]

Hi Guys,

TF2 Update - http://gs.gamerslifeline.com/team-fortress-2-windows-server-2/
**Update Files Only, Not Full Install**

-Lane

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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:56 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

Engine update.

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:49 PM, DontWannaName!
wrote:

> Tf2 was updated as well. Waiting for news on that.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:45 PM, HL-SDK Synths 
> wrote:
>
> > Very good, and thank you for the effort. I have a feeling you will see
> some
> > protest w.r.t. "developer" being marked as a cheat. I like my console
> > output
> > on-screen, for instance .
> >
> > On Jul 6, 2010 6:33 PM, "Jason Ruymen"  wrote:
> >
> > An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  Please
> run
> > hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
> >
> > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > - Fixed a crash that could occur after the bomb exploded.
> > - Fixed a crash that could occur when attempting to exit the game.
> > - Changed default values of the following server variables to reflect
the
> > increase of the default tick rate from 33 to 66:
> >   - sv_mincmdrate - 10
> >   - sv_maxcmdrate - 66
> >   - sv_maxupdaterate - 66
> > - Marked 'developer' cvar as cheat.
> > - Corrected kill/death reporting in gun games.  Deaths were not being
> > properly counted in games using instant respawn.
> > - Marked test_round_winpanel, test_match_winpanel, test_freezepanel
> > commands
> > as cheats.
> > - Added sv_nowinpanel and cl_nowinpanel options that can be used to
> disable
> > the win panel that displays the team winner, MVP, and fun fact at the
end
> > of
> > a round.
> > - Clamped ladder dampen values.
> > - Fixed jointeam cvar so giving it invalid values no longer spams the
> > server
> > console.
> > - Removed functionality of cl_minmodels.
> > - Fixed voice indicators to display at all times rather than just after
> > their respective players have come into contact when -alltalk is on.
> > - Fixed scoreboard to display correct number of SourceTV viewers.
> > - Adjusted death notices to display under scoreboard.
> > - Defaulted 'Simplified list' to OFF and made the setting persistent.
> > - Fixed an issue that could make it appear as if a player already had
one
> > or
> > more MVP stars upon joining a server.
> > - Made text on loading bar more legible.
> > - Added more materials that were missing for community maps.
> >
> > Engine:
> > - Fixed disconnect exploit causing players to be forced off of a server
> due
> > to an overflowed packet.
> > - Fixed players being able to start the game using a DirectX level less
> > than
> > DirectX8.
> >
> > Windows Dedicated Server:
> > - Added Counter-Strike: Source to the list of games for the dedicated
> > server
> > when running through the Steam client.
> >
> >
> > An update on the Update
> > The reason for the recent update was to move Counter-Strike Source (CSS)
> > from the older HL2 version of the Source engine to the most recent
> > version. This brings the CSS codebase in-line with our other games. This
> > resolves long standing issues associated with the older engine and
allows
> > us
> > to benefit from features and bug fixes in other source games as they
come
> > online, such as improved graphic effects and more accurate hit
> > registration.
> >
> > During this process we created some unintended side effects, these are
> > bugs. We are actively investigating all reports.
> >
> > A good example of this is bullet penetration changing on Linux Servers
> > only;
> > not Windows Servers. This was a subtle bug to track down and understand.
> >  It
> > has been fixed.
> >
> > Rest assured we will continue to fix old and new CSS bugs. We want to
> > retain
> > the CSS gameplay experience that you know and love. We would also like
to
> > thank everyone reporting bugs and posting constructive feedback. This is
> an
> > invaluable part of the process.
> >
> > The CSS Team
> >
> >
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> > please visit:
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Matt Hoffman]

Engine update.

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:49 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

> Tf2 was updated as well. Waiting for news on that.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:45 PM, HL-SDK Synths 
> wrote:
>
> > Very good, and thank you for the effort. I have a feeling you will see
> some
> > protest w.r.t. "developer" being marked as a cheat. I like my console
> > output
> > on-screen, for instance .
> >
> > On Jul 6, 2010 6:33 PM, "Jason Ruymen"  wrote:
> >
> > An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  Please
> run
> > hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
> >
> > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > - Fixed a crash that could occur after the bomb exploded.
> > - Fixed a crash that could occur when attempting to exit the game.
> > - Changed default values of the following server variables to reflect the
> > increase of the default tick rate from 33 to 66:
> >   - sv_mincmdrate - 10
> >   - sv_maxcmdrate - 66
> >   - sv_maxupdaterate - 66
> > - Marked 'developer' cvar as cheat.
> > - Corrected kill/death reporting in gun games.  Deaths were not being
> > properly counted in games using instant respawn.
> > - Marked test_round_winpanel, test_match_winpanel, test_freezepanel
> > commands
> > as cheats.
> > - Added sv_nowinpanel and cl_nowinpanel options that can be used to
> disable
> > the win panel that displays the team winner, MVP, and fun fact at the end
> > of
> > a round.
> > - Clamped ladder dampen values.
> > - Fixed jointeam cvar so giving it invalid values no longer spams the
> > server
> > console.
> > - Removed functionality of cl_minmodels.
> > - Fixed voice indicators to display at all times rather than just after
> > their respective players have come into contact when -alltalk is on.
> > - Fixed scoreboard to display correct number of SourceTV viewers.
> > - Adjusted death notices to display under scoreboard.
> > - Defaulted 'Simplified list' to OFF and made the setting persistent.
> > - Fixed an issue that could make it appear as if a player already had one
> > or
> > more MVP stars upon joining a server.
> > - Made text on loading bar more legible.
> > - Added more materials that were missing for community maps.
> >
> > Engine:
> > - Fixed disconnect exploit causing players to be forced off of a server
> due
> > to an overflowed packet.
> > - Fixed players being able to start the game using a DirectX level less
> > than
> > DirectX8.
> >
> > Windows Dedicated Server:
> > - Added Counter-Strike: Source to the list of games for the dedicated
> > server
> > when running through the Steam client.
> >
> >
> > An update on the Update
> > The reason for the recent update was to move Counter-Strike Source (CSS)
> > from the older HL2 version of the Source engine to the most recent
> > version. This brings the CSS codebase in-line with our other games. This
> > resolves long standing issues associated with the older engine and allows
> > us
> > to benefit from features and bug fixes in other source games as they come
> > online, such as improved graphic effects and more accurate hit
> > registration.
> >
> > During this process we created some unintended side effects, these are
> > bugs. We are actively investigating all reports.
> >
> > A good example of this is bullet penetration changing on Linux Servers
> > only;
> > not Windows Servers. This was a subtle bug to track down and understand.
> >  It
> > has been fixed.
> >
> > Rest assured we will continue to fix old and new CSS bugs. We want to
> > retain
> > the CSS gameplay experience that you know and love. We would also like to
> > thank everyone reporting bugs and posting constructive feedback. This is
> an
> > invaluable part of the process.
> >
> > The CSS Team
> >
> >
> > ___
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Nicholas Hastings]

  Newsflash:
Engine updates for CS:S are engine updates for TF2
Engine updates for CS:S are engine updates for DOD:S
Engine updates for CS:S are engine updates for GMOD
Engine updates for TF2 are engine updates for CS:S
Engine updates for TF2 are engine updates for DOD:S
Engine updates for TF2 are engine updates for GMOD
Engine updates for DOD:S are engine updates for CS:S
Engine updates for DOD:S are engine updates for TF2
Engine updates for DOD:S are engine updates for GMOD
Engine updates for GMOD are engine updates for CS:S
Engine updates for GMOD are engine updates for TF2
Engine updates for GMOD are engine updates for DOD:S

On 7/6/2010 6:49 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
> Tf2 was updated as well. Waiting for news on that.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:45 PM, HL-SDK Synths  wrote:
>
>> Very good, and thank you for the effort. I have a feeling you will see some
>> protest w.r.t. "developer" being marked as a cheat. I like my console
>> output
>> on-screen, for instance .
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2010 6:33 PM, "Jason Ruymen"  wrote:
>>
>> An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  Please run
>> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>>
>> Counter-Strike: Source:
>> - Fixed a crash that could occur after the bomb exploded.
>> - Fixed a crash that could occur when attempting to exit the game.
>> - Changed default values of the following server variables to reflect the
>> increase of the default tick rate from 33 to 66:
>>- sv_mincmdrate - 10
>>- sv_maxcmdrate - 66
>>- sv_maxupdaterate - 66
>> - Marked 'developer' cvar as cheat.
>> - Corrected kill/death reporting in gun games.  Deaths were not being
>> properly counted in games using instant respawn.
>> - Marked test_round_winpanel, test_match_winpanel, test_freezepanel
>> commands
>> as cheats.
>> - Added sv_nowinpanel and cl_nowinpanel options that can be used to disable
>> the win panel that displays the team winner, MVP, and fun fact at the end
>> of
>> a round.
>> - Clamped ladder dampen values.
>> - Fixed jointeam cvar so giving it invalid values no longer spams the
>> server
>> console.
>> - Removed functionality of cl_minmodels.
>> - Fixed voice indicators to display at all times rather than just after
>> their respective players have come into contact when -alltalk is on.
>> - Fixed scoreboard to display correct number of SourceTV viewers.
>> - Adjusted death notices to display under scoreboard.
>> - Defaulted 'Simplified list' to OFF and made the setting persistent.
>> - Fixed an issue that could make it appear as if a player already had one
>> or
>> more MVP stars upon joining a server.
>> - Made text on loading bar more legible.
>> - Added more materials that were missing for community maps.
>>
>> Engine:
>> - Fixed disconnect exploit causing players to be forced off of a server due
>> to an overflowed packet.
>> - Fixed players being able to start the game using a DirectX level less
>> than
>> DirectX8.
>>
>> Windows Dedicated Server:
>> - Added Counter-Strike: Source to the list of games for the dedicated
>> server
>> when running through the Steam client.
>>
>>
>> An update on the Update
>> The reason for the recent update was to move Counter-Strike Source (CSS)
>> from the older HL2 version of the Source engine to the most recent
>> version. This brings the CSS codebase in-line with our other games. This
>> resolves long standing issues associated with the older engine and allows
>> us
>> to benefit from features and bug fixes in other source games as they come
>> online, such as improved graphic effects and more accurate hit
>> registration.
>>
>> During this process we created some unintended side effects, these are
>> bugs. We are actively investigating all reports.
>>
>> A good example of this is bullet penetration changing on Linux Servers
>> only;
>> not Windows Servers. This was a subtle bug to track down and understand.
>>   It
>> has been fixed.
>>
>> Rest assured we will continue to fix old and new CSS bugs. We want to
>> retain
>> the CSS gameplay experience that you know and love. We would also like to
>> thank everyone reporting bugs and posting constructive feedback. This is an
>> invaluable part of the process.
>>
>> The CSS Team
>>
>>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[DontWannaName!]

Tf2 was updated as well. Waiting for news on that.

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:45 PM, HL-SDK Synths  wrote:

> Very good, and thank you for the effort. I have a feeling you will see some
> protest w.r.t. "developer" being marked as a cheat. I like my console
> output
> on-screen, for instance .
>
> On Jul 6, 2010 6:33 PM, "Jason Ruymen"  wrote:
>
> An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  Please run
> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Fixed a crash that could occur after the bomb exploded.
> - Fixed a crash that could occur when attempting to exit the game.
> - Changed default values of the following server variables to reflect the
> increase of the default tick rate from 33 to 66:
>   - sv_mincmdrate - 10
>   - sv_maxcmdrate - 66
>   - sv_maxupdaterate - 66
> - Marked 'developer' cvar as cheat.
> - Corrected kill/death reporting in gun games.  Deaths were not being
> properly counted in games using instant respawn.
> - Marked test_round_winpanel, test_match_winpanel, test_freezepanel
> commands
> as cheats.
> - Added sv_nowinpanel and cl_nowinpanel options that can be used to disable
> the win panel that displays the team winner, MVP, and fun fact at the end
> of
> a round.
> - Clamped ladder dampen values.
> - Fixed jointeam cvar so giving it invalid values no longer spams the
> server
> console.
> - Removed functionality of cl_minmodels.
> - Fixed voice indicators to display at all times rather than just after
> their respective players have come into contact when -alltalk is on.
> - Fixed scoreboard to display correct number of SourceTV viewers.
> - Adjusted death notices to display under scoreboard.
> - Defaulted 'Simplified list' to OFF and made the setting persistent.
> - Fixed an issue that could make it appear as if a player already had one
> or
> more MVP stars upon joining a server.
> - Made text on loading bar more legible.
> - Added more materials that were missing for community maps.
>
> Engine:
> - Fixed disconnect exploit causing players to be forced off of a server due
> to an overflowed packet.
> - Fixed players being able to start the game using a DirectX level less
> than
> DirectX8.
>
> Windows Dedicated Server:
> - Added Counter-Strike: Source to the list of games for the dedicated
> server
> when running through the Steam client.
>
>
> An update on the Update
> The reason for the recent update was to move Counter-Strike Source (CSS)
> from the older HL2 version of the Source engine to the most recent
> version. This brings the CSS codebase in-line with our other games. This
> resolves long standing issues associated with the older engine and allows
> us
> to benefit from features and bug fixes in other source games as they come
> online, such as improved graphic effects and more accurate hit
> registration.
>
> During this process we created some unintended side effects, these are
> bugs. We are actively investigating all reports.
>
> A good example of this is bullet penetration changing on Linux Servers
> only;
> not Windows Servers. This was a subtle bug to track down and understand.
>  It
> has been fixed.
>
> Rest assured we will continue to fix old and new CSS bugs. We want to
> retain
> the CSS gameplay experience that you know and love. We would also like to
> thank everyone reporting bugs and posting constructive feedback. This is an
> invaluable part of the process.
>
> The CSS Team
>
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[HL-SDK Synths]

Very good, and thank you for the effort. I have a feeling you will see some
protest w.r.t. "developer" being marked as a cheat. I like my console output
on-screen, for instance .

On Jul 6, 2010 6:33 PM, "Jason Ruymen"  wrote:

An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  Please run
hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:

Counter-Strike: Source:
- Fixed a crash that could occur after the bomb exploded.
- Fixed a crash that could occur when attempting to exit the game.
- Changed default values of the following server variables to reflect the
increase of the default tick rate from 33 to 66:
   - sv_mincmdrate - 10
   - sv_maxcmdrate - 66
   - sv_maxupdaterate - 66
- Marked 'developer' cvar as cheat.
- Corrected kill/death reporting in gun games.  Deaths were not being
properly counted in games using instant respawn.
- Marked test_round_winpanel, test_match_winpanel, test_freezepanel commands
as cheats.
- Added sv_nowinpanel and cl_nowinpanel options that can be used to disable
the win panel that displays the team winner, MVP, and fun fact at the end of
a round.
- Clamped ladder dampen values.
- Fixed jointeam cvar so giving it invalid values no longer spams the server
console.
- Removed functionality of cl_minmodels.
- Fixed voice indicators to display at all times rather than just after
their respective players have come into contact when -alltalk is on.
- Fixed scoreboard to display correct number of SourceTV viewers.
- Adjusted death notices to display under scoreboard.
- Defaulted 'Simplified list' to OFF and made the setting persistent.
- Fixed an issue that could make it appear as if a player already had one or
more MVP stars upon joining a server.
- Made text on loading bar more legible.
- Added more materials that were missing for community maps.

Engine:
- Fixed disconnect exploit causing players to be forced off of a server due
to an overflowed packet.
- Fixed players being able to start the game using a DirectX level less than
DirectX8.

Windows Dedicated Server:
- Added Counter-Strike: Source to the list of games for the dedicated server
when running through the Steam client.


An update on the Update
The reason for the recent update was to move Counter-Strike Source (CSS)
from the older HL2 version of the Source engine to the most recent
version. This brings the CSS codebase in-line with our other games. This
resolves long standing issues associated with the older engine and allows us
to benefit from features and bug fixes in other source games as they come
online, such as improved graphic effects and more accurate hit registration.

During this process we created some unintended side effects, these are
bugs. We are actively investigating all reports.

A good example of this is bullet penetration changing on Linux Servers only;
not Windows Servers. This was a subtle bug to track down and understand.  It
has been fixed.

Rest assured we will continue to fix old and new CSS bugs. We want to retain
the CSS gameplay experience that you know and love. We would also like to
thank everyone reporting bugs and posting constructive feedback. This is an
invaluable part of the process.

The CSS Team


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Lane Eckley]

Hi Guys,

I have uploaded the full update/install to my personal site here:
http://gs.gamerslifeline.com/counter-strike-source-windows/

Its 1.01GB rar file - fresh copy, didn't touch anything on it.

-Lane

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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Claudio Beretta
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:58 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

Cool, in a few minutes there were 3 releases of the 'Counter-Strike
Source Shared Content' package: from version 74 to 76
...

On 6/23/10, Scott Highland  wrote:
> Downloading the update on steam at a whopping 20kb/s average... Maybe
> you shouldve put the update on more than just one content server? :/
>
> Mark P wrote:
>> 2010/6/23 Jake Eisenman 
>>
>>
>>> oooh Shiny.
>>> hope nothing breaks.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Jason Ruymen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.
>>>> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates.  The major changes
>>>> include:
>>>>
>>>> UI:
>>>> - Added the following cvars to allow players to customize their
>>>> scoreboards.
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_red
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_green
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_blue
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_red
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_green
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_blue
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_red
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_green
>>>> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_blue
>>>> - Changed the screen that appears when the message of the day fails
>>>> to load to display proper error text.
>>>> - Made the CT silhouette for the auto-select option in the Choose a
>>>> Class screen smaller and corrected its aspect ratio.
>>>> - Addressed a problem that occasionally caused characters to be
>>>> colored incorrectly on the Change a Class screen.
>>>>
>>>> Gameplay:
>>>> - Made ladders easier to climb. Added cvars sv_ladder_dampen and
>>>> sv_ladder_angle.
>>>> - Fixed issue that awarded three points when the bomb explodes after
>>>> the round ends by elimination criteria instead.
>>>> - Fixed issue in which you weren't given credit for grenade damage
>>>> if you fired a weapon at someone then hit them with a grenade (in
>>>> that order). Also fixed problem in which grenading a player and then
>>>> killing them with another weapon showed as '*** in 1' on console.
>>>> - There's now a priority order for displaying win conditions when
>>>> multiple win conditions are set.
>>>> - If timelimit exists and is not 0, then show timelimit.
>>>> - If timelimit does not exist, show maxrounds if not 0.
>>>> - If both timelimit and maxrounds are 0, show winlimit.
>>>> - If timelimit, maxrounds, and winlimit are all 0, show nothing.
>>>> - Added a cvar to ignore win conditions:
>>>> mp_ignore_round_win_conditions.
>>>>
>>>> General:
>>>> - Disallowed the use of arbitrary command strings for the message of
>>>> the day screen. Now only a specific list of commands is allowed.
>>>> - Addressed issue in which AWPs and Scouts sometimes did not make
>>>> the zooming sound.
>>>> - cvar mat_showlowresimage is now a cheat command.
>>>> - Many development console commands which would crash the server
>>>> removed.
>>>> - Updated source engine addresses many issues:
>>>> - Better flashlight effect
>>>> - Better HDR behavior
>>>> - Multicore rendering support
>>>> - Added sv_disablefreezecam cvar to turn off the freezecam on a
>>>> server.
>>>> - Added sv_nonemesis cvar to turn off domination/revenge on a server.
>>>> - Added sv_nomvp cvar to turn off MVP stars on a server.
>>>> - Added sv_nostats cvar to turn off stats on a server.
>>>> - Removed -tickrate command line option and defaulted tick rate to
>>>> 66 rather than 33. This addressed a number of issues, including:
>>>>- Tick rate affecting how fast doors open / close
>>>>- Tick rate causing players hitting the ground to stutter
>>>>- Tick rate affecting the firing mechanisms of certain guns
>>>>
>

Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Claudio Beretta]

Cool, in a few minutes there were 3 releases of the 'Counter-Strike
Source Shared Content' package: from version 74 to 76
...

On 6/23/10, Scott Highland  wrote:
> Downloading the update on steam at a whopping 20kb/s average... Maybe
> you shouldve put the update on more than just one content server? :/
>
> Mark P wrote:
>> 2010/6/23 Jake Eisenman 
>>
>>
>>> oooh Shiny.
>>> hope nothing breaks.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Jason Ruymen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.
 Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates.  The major changes
 include:

 UI:
 - Added the following cvars to allow players to customize their
 scoreboards.
 - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_red
 - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_green
 - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_blue
 - cl_scoreboard_t_color_red
 - cl_scoreboard_t_color_green
 - cl_scoreboard_t_color_blue
 - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_red
 - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_green
 - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_blue
 - Changed the screen that appears when the message of the day fails
 to load to display proper error text.
 - Made the CT silhouette for the auto-select option in the Choose a
 Class screen smaller and corrected its aspect ratio.
 - Addressed a problem that occasionally caused characters to be
 colored incorrectly on the Change a Class screen.

 Gameplay:
 - Made ladders easier to climb. Added cvars sv_ladder_dampen and
 sv_ladder_angle.
 - Fixed issue that awarded three points when the bomb explodes after
 the round ends by elimination criteria instead.
 - Fixed issue in which you weren't given credit for grenade damage
 if you fired a weapon at someone then hit them with a grenade (in
 that order). Also fixed problem in which grenading a player and then
 killing them with another weapon showed as '*** in 1' on console.
 - There's now a priority order for displaying win conditions when
 multiple win conditions are set.
 - If timelimit exists and is not 0, then show timelimit.
 - If timelimit does not exist, show maxrounds if not 0.
 - If both timelimit and maxrounds are 0, show winlimit.
 - If timelimit, maxrounds, and winlimit are all 0, show nothing.
 - Added a cvar to ignore win conditions:
 mp_ignore_round_win_conditions.

 General:
 - Disallowed the use of arbitrary command strings for the message of
 the day screen. Now only a specific list of commands is allowed.
 - Addressed issue in which AWPs and Scouts sometimes did not make
 the zooming sound.
 - cvar mat_showlowresimage is now a cheat command.
 - Many development console commands which would crash the server
 removed.
 - Updated source engine addresses many issues:
 - Better flashlight effect
 - Better HDR behavior
 - Multicore rendering support
 - Added sv_disablefreezecam cvar to turn off the freezecam on a
 server.
 - Added sv_nonemesis cvar to turn off domination/revenge on a server.
 - Added sv_nomvp cvar to turn off MVP stars on a server.
 - Added sv_nostats cvar to turn off stats on a server.
 - Removed -tickrate command line option and defaulted tick rate to
 66 rather than 33. This addressed a number of issues, including:
- Tick rate affecting how fast doors open / close
- Tick rate causing players hitting the ground to stutter
- Tick rate affecting the firing mechanisms of certain guns

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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Scott Highland]

Downloading the update on steam at a whopping 20kb/s average... Maybe 
you shouldve put the update on more than just one content server? :/

Mark P wrote:
> 2010/6/23 Jake Eisenman 
>
>   
>> oooh Shiny.
>> hope nothing breaks.
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Jason Ruymen 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.
>>> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates.  The major changes
>>> include:
>>>
>>> UI:
>>> - Added the following cvars to allow players to customize their
>>> scoreboards.
>>> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_red
>>> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_green
>>> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_blue
>>> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_red
>>> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_green
>>> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_blue
>>> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_red
>>> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_green
>>> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_blue
>>> - Changed the screen that appears when the message of the day fails
>>> to load to display proper error text.
>>> - Made the CT silhouette for the auto-select option in the Choose a
>>> Class screen smaller and corrected its aspect ratio.
>>> - Addressed a problem that occasionally caused characters to be
>>> colored incorrectly on the Change a Class screen.
>>>
>>> Gameplay:
>>> - Made ladders easier to climb. Added cvars sv_ladder_dampen and
>>> sv_ladder_angle.
>>> - Fixed issue that awarded three points when the bomb explodes after
>>> the round ends by elimination criteria instead.
>>> - Fixed issue in which you weren't given credit for grenade damage
>>> if you fired a weapon at someone then hit them with a grenade (in
>>> that order). Also fixed problem in which grenading a player and then
>>> killing them with another weapon showed as '*** in 1' on console.
>>> - There's now a priority order for displaying win conditions when
>>> multiple win conditions are set.
>>> - If timelimit exists and is not 0, then show timelimit.
>>> - If timelimit does not exist, show maxrounds if not 0.
>>> - If both timelimit and maxrounds are 0, show winlimit.
>>> - If timelimit, maxrounds, and winlimit are all 0, show nothing.
>>> - Added a cvar to ignore win conditions:
>>> mp_ignore_round_win_conditions.
>>>
>>> General:
>>> - Disallowed the use of arbitrary command strings for the message of
>>> the day screen. Now only a specific list of commands is allowed.
>>> - Addressed issue in which AWPs and Scouts sometimes did not make
>>> the zooming sound.
>>> - cvar mat_showlowresimage is now a cheat command.
>>> - Many development console commands which would crash the server
>>> removed.
>>> - Updated source engine addresses many issues:
>>> - Better flashlight effect
>>> - Better HDR behavior
>>> - Multicore rendering support
>>> - Added sv_disablefreezecam cvar to turn off the freezecam on a
>>> server.
>>> - Added sv_nonemesis cvar to turn off domination/revenge on a server.
>>> - Added sv_nomvp cvar to turn off MVP stars on a server.
>>> - Added sv_nostats cvar to turn off stats on a server.
>>> - Removed -tickrate command line option and defaulted tick rate to
>>> 66 rather than 33. This addressed a number of issues, including:
>>>- Tick rate affecting how fast doors open / close
>>>- Tick rate causing players hitting the ground to stutter
>>>- Tick rate affecting the firing mechanisms of certain guns
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Ronny Schedel]

I don't get, maybe because it was a very bad idea to update during the 
highest player peak.


> There is a client update.
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Ronny Schedel 
> wrote:
>
>> No client update? So it's not OB engine.
>>
>> > Yep, and its out
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Beta goes live?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're
>> >> >hoping
>> >> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
>> >> >
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>> >> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Dominic Marciano]

Updating now 29% of 700~ mb

> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:27:18 +0100
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> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming
> 
> http://store.steampowered.com/news/3976/
> 
> ...
> 
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Ronny Schedel wrote:
> 
> > No client update? So it's not OB engine.
> >
> > > Yep, and its out
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Beta goes live?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're
> > >> >hoping
> > >> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
> > >> >
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> > >> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Mark P]

2010/6/23 Jake Eisenman 

> oooh Shiny.
> hope nothing breaks.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Jason Ruymen 
> wrote:
>
> > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.
> > Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates.  The major changes
> > include:
> >
> > UI:
> > - Added the following cvars to allow players to customize their
> > scoreboards.
> > - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_red
> > - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_green
> > - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_blue
> > - cl_scoreboard_t_color_red
> > - cl_scoreboard_t_color_green
> > - cl_scoreboard_t_color_blue
> > - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_red
> > - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_green
> > - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_blue
> > - Changed the screen that appears when the message of the day fails
> > to load to display proper error text.
> > - Made the CT silhouette for the auto-select option in the Choose a
> > Class screen smaller and corrected its aspect ratio.
> > - Addressed a problem that occasionally caused characters to be
> > colored incorrectly on the Change a Class screen.
> >
> > Gameplay:
> > - Made ladders easier to climb. Added cvars sv_ladder_dampen and
> > sv_ladder_angle.
> > - Fixed issue that awarded three points when the bomb explodes after
> > the round ends by elimination criteria instead.
> > - Fixed issue in which you weren't given credit for grenade damage
> > if you fired a weapon at someone then hit them with a grenade (in
> > that order). Also fixed problem in which grenading a player and then
> > killing them with another weapon showed as '*** in 1' on console.
> > - There's now a priority order for displaying win conditions when
> > multiple win conditions are set.
> > - If timelimit exists and is not 0, then show timelimit.
> > - If timelimit does not exist, show maxrounds if not 0.
> > - If both timelimit and maxrounds are 0, show winlimit.
> > - If timelimit, maxrounds, and winlimit are all 0, show nothing.
> > - Added a cvar to ignore win conditions:
> > mp_ignore_round_win_conditions.
> >
> > General:
> > - Disallowed the use of arbitrary command strings for the message of
> > the day screen. Now only a specific list of commands is allowed.
> > - Addressed issue in which AWPs and Scouts sometimes did not make
> > the zooming sound.
> > - cvar mat_showlowresimage is now a cheat command.
> > - Many development console commands which would crash the server
> > removed.
> > - Updated source engine addresses many issues:
> > - Better flashlight effect
> > - Better HDR behavior
> > - Multicore rendering support
> > - Added sv_disablefreezecam cvar to turn off the freezecam on a
> > server.
> > - Added sv_nonemesis cvar to turn off domination/revenge on a server.
> > - Added sv_nomvp cvar to turn off MVP stars on a server.
> > - Added sv_nostats cvar to turn off stats on a server.
> > - Removed -tickrate command line option and defaulted tick rate to
> > 66 rather than 33. This addressed a number of issues, including:
> >- Tick rate affecting how fast doors open / close
> >- Tick rate causing players hitting the ground to stutter
> >- Tick rate affecting the firing mechanisms of certain guns
> >
> > Jason
> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Chris]

http://store.steampowered.com/news/3976/

...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Ronny Schedel wrote:

> No client update? So it's not OB engine.
>
> > Yep, and its out
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Beta goes live?
> >>
> >>
> >> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're
> >> >hoping
> >> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
> >> >
> >> > Jason
> >> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Karl Labrador]

There is a client update and it is OB.

2010/6/23 Ronny Schedel 

> No client update? So it's not OB engine.
>
> > Yep, and its out
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Beta goes live?
> >>
> >>
> >> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're
> >> >hoping
> >> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
> >> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[1nsane]

There is a client update.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Ronny Schedel wrote:

> No client update? So it's not OB engine.
>
> > Yep, and its out
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Beta goes live?
> >>
> >>
> >> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're
> >> >hoping
> >> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
> >> >
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> >> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Ronny Schedel]

No client update? So it's not OB engine.

> Yep, and its out
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Beta goes live?
>>
>>
>> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're 
>> >hoping
>> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
>> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Jake Eisenman]

oooh Shiny.
hope nothing breaks.

Sent from my iPod

On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Jason Ruymen   
wrote:

> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.   
> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive the updates.  The major changes  
> include:
>
> UI:
> - Added the following cvars to allow players to customize their  
> scoreboards.
> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_red
> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_green
> - cl_scoreboard_ct_color_blue
> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_red
> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_green
> - cl_scoreboard_t_color_blue
> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_red
> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_green
> - cl_scoreboard_dead_color_blue
> - Changed the screen that appears when the message of the day fails  
> to load to display proper error text.
> - Made the CT silhouette for the auto-select option in the Choose a  
> Class screen smaller and corrected its aspect ratio.
> - Addressed a problem that occasionally caused characters to be  
> colored incorrectly on the Change a Class screen.
>
> Gameplay:
> - Made ladders easier to climb. Added cvars sv_ladder_dampen and  
> sv_ladder_angle.
> - Fixed issue that awarded three points when the bomb explodes after  
> the round ends by elimination criteria instead.
> - Fixed issue in which you weren't given credit for grenade damage  
> if you fired a weapon at someone then hit them with a grenade (in  
> that order). Also fixed problem in which grenading a player and then  
> killing them with another weapon showed as '*** in 1' on console.
> - There's now a priority order for displaying win conditions when  
> multiple win conditions are set.
> - If timelimit exists and is not 0, then show timelimit.
> - If timelimit does not exist, show maxrounds if not 0.
> - If both timelimit and maxrounds are 0, show winlimit.
> - If timelimit, maxrounds, and winlimit are all 0, show nothing.
> - Added a cvar to ignore win conditions:  
> mp_ignore_round_win_conditions.
>
> General:
> - Disallowed the use of arbitrary command strings for the message of  
> the day screen. Now only a specific list of commands is allowed.
> - Addressed issue in which AWPs and Scouts sometimes did not make  
> the zooming sound.
> - cvar mat_showlowresimage is now a cheat command.
> - Many development console commands which would crash the server  
> removed.
> - Updated source engine addresses many issues:
> - Better flashlight effect
> - Better HDR behavior
> - Multicore rendering support
> - Added sv_disablefreezecam cvar to turn off the freezecam on a  
> server.
> - Added sv_nonemesis cvar to turn off domination/revenge on a server.
> - Added sv_nomvp cvar to turn off MVP stars on a server.
> - Added sv_nostats cvar to turn off stats on a server.
> - Removed -tickrate command line option and defaulted tick rate to  
> 66 rather than 33. This addressed a number of issues, including:
>- Tick rate affecting how fast doors open / close
>- Tick rate causing players hitting the ground to stutter
>- Tick rate affecting the firing mechanisms of certain guns
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Chris]

Yep, and its out

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel wrote:

>
> Beta goes live?
>
>
> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're hoping
> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Ronny Schedel]

Beta goes live?


>A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're hoping 
>to have it live in about 30 minutes.
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[raydan]

rcon crash still not fix

2010/2/2 Jake Eisenman 

> First update in awhile, thanks.
>
> Jason Ruymen wrote:
> > Updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  Please run
> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
> >
> > - SMX, GCF, and SYS files cannot be downloaded
> > - Files whose extensions contain whitespace are not allowed to be
> downloaded
> > - Filenames that begin with path separators are not allowed to be
> downloaded
> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Jake Eisenman]

First update in awhile, thanks.

Jason Ruymen wrote:
> Updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  Please run 
> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> - SMX, GCF, and SYS files cannot be downloaded
> - Files whose extensions contain whitespace are not allowed to be downloaded
> - Filenames that begin with path separators are not allowed to be downloaded
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[DontWannaName!]

Why would sp files matter.. they are just source files, you dont even need
them on the server.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Michael Krasnow  wrote:

> aww, they can still download .sp files :( back to D_FENS you should have a
> configurable file on which directories to not allow downloads from (addons,
> scripts etc)
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Jason Ruymen  >wrote:
>
> > Updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  Please run
> > hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
> >
> > - SMX, GCF, and SYS files cannot be downloaded
> > - Files whose extensions contain whitespace are not allowed to be
> > downloaded
> > - Filenames that begin with path separators are not allowed to be
> > downloaded
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Kyle Sanderson]

>.< Anyone have the old engine files? This new *update* causes my server to
hang.

>From joy to utter disappointment, than again I should have known better.
Kyle.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kyle Sanderson  wrote:

> About bloody time, although a whitelist would have been infinitely better,
> this should stop most of the current attacks. Now if only all of the current
> crashing exploits that were made extremely public were patched...
>
> Kyle.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Nightbox wrote:
>
>> good update :)
>>
>> 2010/2/2 Jason Ruymen 
>>
>> > Updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  Please run
>> > hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>> >
>> > - SMX, GCF, and SYS files cannot be downloaded
>> > - Files whose extensions contain whitespace are not allowed to be
>> > downloaded
>> > - Filenames that begin with path separators are not allowed to be
>> > downloaded
>> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Kyle Sanderson]

About bloody time, although a whitelist would have been infinitely better,
this should stop most of the current attacks. Now if only all of the current
crashing exploits that were made extremely public were patched...

Kyle.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Nightbox wrote:

> good update :)
>
> 2010/2/2 Jason Ruymen 
>
> > Updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  Please run
> > hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
> >
> > - SMX, GCF, and SYS files cannot be downloaded
> > - Files whose extensions contain whitespace are not allowed to be
> > downloaded
> > - Filenames that begin with path separators are not allowed to be
> > downloaded
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Nightbox]

good update :)

2010/2/2 Jason Ruymen 

> Updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  Please run
> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> - SMX, GCF, and SYS files cannot be downloaded
> - Files whose extensions contain whitespace are not allowed to be
> downloaded
> - Filenames that begin with path separators are not allowed to be
> downloaded
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Michael Krasnow]

aww, they can still download .sp files :( back to D_FENS you should have a
configurable file on which directories to not allow downloads from (addons,
scripts etc)

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> Updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available.  Please run
> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> - SMX, GCF, and SYS files cannot be downloaded
> - Files whose extensions contain whitespace are not allowed to be
> downloaded
> - Filenames that begin with path separators are not allowed to be
> downloaded
>
> Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[DontWannaName!]

CSS gained popularity over the years from updates like they are doing with
TF2. They are hoping the same happens with TF2 and they will eventually stop
updating TF2 to make the next big game.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Peter M (Mashy)  wrote:

> 21,474  32,075   Team Fortress 19,749  89,681   Counter-Strike: Source
>  15,065  65,389   Counter-Strike
>
>
> 2 most popular titles - cs and css (highest number players)
>
> Yes, makes sense to me to abandone these gamers
>
> /sarc
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Peter M (Mashy)]

21,474  32,075   Team Fortress 19,749  89,681   Counter-Strike: Source
  15,065  65,389   Counter-Strike


2 most popular titles - cs and css (highest number players)

Yes, makes sense to me to abandone these gamers

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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[msleeper]

The "realistic, "serious", "action" FPS genre peaked around 1999. You
know, when CS was popular.


On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 02:35 +0100, Saul Rennison wrote:
> Fine then. Let me rephrase.
> 
> I wish VALVe would make another serious, action FPS for old-school /  
> hardcore gamers (hint, CS2)
> 
> Thanks,
> - Saul.
> 
> On 26 Aug 2009, at 02:25, Alec Sanger  wrote:
> 
> >
> > The game has already outlived all of it's competition. It's 5 years  
> > old. I'd prefer they work on new things rather than try to prolong  
> > the death of an old one.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Alec Sanger
> > P: 248.941.3813
> > F: 313.286.8945
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: saul.renni...@gmail.com
> >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:19:01 +0100
> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> >>
> >> How about VIP mode VALVe? Escape mode / assassination? More in-built
> >> code for other game modes such as climb and deathrun? Maybe even
> >> search and destroy game mode. Maybe multiple bombs?
> >>
> >> How come I have hundreds of brilliant ideas in my head that could  
> >> push
> >> CS beyond all the competition, but instead you decide to leave it to
> >> die? :(
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> - Saul.
> >>
> >> On 26 Aug 2009, at 02:02, Aj Collins  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Saul,
> >>> Something like this?
> >>> Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Terrorists
> >>> win.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Kyle Sanderson
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> About time... Now to make sure that these updates don't cause your
> >>>> server
> >>>> to
> >>>> segfault like the rest of the optional updates >.>
> >>>> House of Fail does your server start? or did it just segfault
> >>>> randomly when
> >>>> you were updating?
> >>>>
> >>>> Kyle.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Saul Rennison  >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either
> >>>>> way!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> - Saul.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.
> >>>>>> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes
> >>>>>> include:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Engine:
> >>>>>> - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the  
> >>>>>> server
> >>>>>> at arbitrary locations in the file system
> >>>>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be  
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>> HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
> >>>>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect
> >>>>>> message
> >>>>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable
> >>>>>> subchannel data
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Counter-Strike: Source:
> >>>>>> - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Saul Rennison]

Fine then. Let me rephrase.

I wish VALVe would make another serious, action FPS for old-school /  
hardcore gamers (hint, CS2)

Thanks,
- Saul.

On 26 Aug 2009, at 02:25, Alec Sanger  wrote:

>
> The game has already outlived all of it's competition. It's 5 years  
> old. I'd prefer they work on new things rather than try to prolong  
> the death of an old one.
>
> Thank you,
> Alec Sanger
> P: 248.941.3813
> F: 313.286.8945
>
>
>
>> From: saul.renni...@gmail.com
>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:19:01 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
>>
>> How about VIP mode VALVe? Escape mode / assassination? More in-built
>> code for other game modes such as climb and deathrun? Maybe even
>> search and destroy game mode. Maybe multiple bombs?
>>
>> How come I have hundreds of brilliant ideas in my head that could  
>> push
>> CS beyond all the competition, but instead you decide to leave it to
>> die? :(
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Saul.
>>
>> On 26 Aug 2009, at 02:02, Aj Collins  wrote:
>>
>>> Saul,
>>> Something like this?
>>> Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Terrorists
>>> win.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Kyle Sanderson
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> About time... Now to make sure that these updates don't cause your
>>>> server
>>>> to
>>>> segfault like the rest of the optional updates >.>
>>>> House of Fail does your server start? or did it just segfault
>>>> randomly when
>>>> you were updating?
>>>>
>>>> Kyle.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Saul Rennison >>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O
>>>>>
>>>>> I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either
>>>>> way!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> - Saul.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.
>>>>>> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes
>>>>>> include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Engine:
>>>>>> - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the  
>>>>>> server
>>>>>> at arbitrary locations in the file system
>>>>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be  
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
>>>>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable
>>>>>> subchannel data
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Counter-Strike: Source:
>>>>>> - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Alec Sanger]

The game has already outlived all of it's competition. It's 5 years old. I'd 
prefer they work on new things rather than try to prolong the death of an old 
one.

Thank you,
Alec Sanger
P: 248.941.3813
F: 313.286.8945



> From: saul.renni...@gmail.com
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:19:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available
> 
> How about VIP mode VALVe? Escape mode / assassination? More in-built  
> code for other game modes such as climb and deathrun? Maybe even  
> search and destroy game mode. Maybe multiple bombs?
> 
> How come I have hundreds of brilliant ideas in my head that could push  
> CS beyond all the competition, but instead you decide to leave it to  
> die? :(
> 
> Thanks,
> - Saul.
> 
> On 26 Aug 2009, at 02:02, Aj Collins  wrote:
> 
> > Saul,
> > Something like this?
> > Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Terrorists  
> > win.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Kyle Sanderson  
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> About time... Now to make sure that these updates don't cause your  
> >> server
> >> to
> >> segfault like the rest of the optional updates >.>
> >> House of Fail does your server start? or did it just segfault  
> >> randomly when
> >> you were updating?
> >>
> >> Kyle.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Saul Rennison  >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O
> >>>
> >>> I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either  
> >>> way!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> - Saul.
> >>>
> >>> On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen   
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.
> >>>> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes
> >>>> include:
> >>>>
> >>>> Engine:
> >>>> - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the server
> >>>> at arbitrary locations in the file system
> >>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be an
> >>>> HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
> >>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect  
> >>>> message
> >>>> - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable
> >>>> subchannel data
> >>>>
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> >>>> - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
> >>>>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Saul Rennison]

How about VIP mode VALVe? Escape mode / assassination? More in-built  
code for other game modes such as climb and deathrun? Maybe even  
search and destroy game mode. Maybe multiple bombs?

How come I have hundreds of brilliant ideas in my head that could push  
CS beyond all the competition, but instead you decide to leave it to  
die? :(

Thanks,
- Saul.

On 26 Aug 2009, at 02:02, Aj Collins  wrote:

> Saul,
> Something like this?
> Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Terrorists  
> win.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Kyle Sanderson  
>  wrote:
>
>> About time... Now to make sure that these updates don't cause your  
>> server
>> to
>> segfault like the rest of the optional updates >.>
>> House of Fail does your server start? or did it just segfault  
>> randomly when
>> you were updating?
>>
>> Kyle.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Saul Rennison >> wrote:
>>
>>> I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O
>>>
>>> I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either  
>>> way!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - Saul.
>>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen   
>>> wrote:
>>>
 An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.
 Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes
 include:

 Engine:
 - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the server
 at arbitrary locations in the file system
 - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be an
 HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
 - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect  
 message
 - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable
 subchannel data

 Counter-Strike: Source:
 - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default

 Jason


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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Aj Collins]

Saul,
Something like this?
Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Bomb planted. Terrorists win.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Kyle Sanderson  wrote:

> About time... Now to make sure that these updates don't cause your server
> to
> segfault like the rest of the optional updates >.>
> House of Fail does your server start? or did it just segfault randomly when
> you were updating?
>
> Kyle.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Saul Rennison  >wrote:
>
> > I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O
> >
> > I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either way!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Saul.
> >
> > On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen  wrote:
> >
> > > An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.
> > > Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes
> > > include:
> > >
> > > Engine:
> > > - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the server
> > > at arbitrary locations in the file system
> > > - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be an
> > > HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
> > > - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect message
> > > - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable
> > > subchannel data
> > >
> > > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > > - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Carl]

It updated properly, but it destroyed my srcds_run file. It seems the games
segfaults without a proper srcds_run. :(

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Kyle Sanderson  wrote:

> About time... Now to make sure that these updates don't cause your server
> to
> segfault like the rest of the optional updates >.>
> House of Fail does your server start? or did it just segfault randomly when
> you were updating?
>
> Kyle.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Saul Rennison  >wrote:
>
> > I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O
> >
> > I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either way!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Saul.
> >
> > On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen  wrote:
> >
> > > An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.
> > > Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes
> > > include:
> > >
> > > Engine:
> > > - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the server
> > > at arbitrary locations in the file system
> > > - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be an
> > > HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
> > > - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect message
> > > - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable
> > > subchannel data
> > >
> > > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > > - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
> > >
> > > Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Kyle Sanderson]

About time... Now to make sure that these updates don't cause your server to
segfault like the rest of the optional updates >.>
House of Fail does your server start? or did it just segfault randomly when
you were updating?

Kyle.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Saul Rennison wrote:

> I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O
>
> I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either way!
>
> Thanks,
> - Saul.
>
> On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen  wrote:
>
> > An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.
> > Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes
> > include:
> >
> > Engine:
> > - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the server
> > at arbitrary locations in the file system
> > - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be an
> > HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
> > - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect message
> > - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable
> > subchannel data
> >
> > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
> >
> > Jason
> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Saul Rennison]

I shat myself. VALVe... I'm absolutely speechless :O

I was originally expecting a content update but i'm happy either way!

Thanks,
- Saul.

On 26 Aug 2009, at 01:31, Jason Ruymen  wrote:

> An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.   
> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes  
> include:
>
> Engine:
> - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the server  
> at arbitrary locations in the file system
> - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be an  
> HLTV client when HLTV is disabled on the server
> - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect message
> - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable  
> subchannel data
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
>
> Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Carl]

Does this fix the rcon exploit?

Jason Ruymen wrote:
> An optional update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available.  Please run 
> hldsupdatetool to receive it.  The specific changes include:
>
> Engine:
> - Fixed an exploit that allowed files to be uploaded to the server at 
> arbitrary locations in the file system
> - Fixed a server crash caused by a client packet claiming to be an HLTV 
> client when HLTV is disabled on the server
> - Fixed a server crash caused by spoofing a client disconnect message
> - Fixed a server crash caused by sending malformed reliable subchannel data
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Novint Falcon support is now enabled by default
>
> Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[msleeper]

Yeah good one, let's make fun of Valve on their own mailing list.

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 23:32 +, Patrick Shelley wrote:
> LOOL - they did the testing for the latest patches on a PDA!
> 
> On 1/29/09, Nephyrin Zey  wrote:
> >
> > It's a trap! They want you to enjoy the timeout bug too!
> >
> > - Neph
> >
> >
> > Jason Ruymen wrote:
> > > Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.  This is not a required update,
> > but it is recommended.  Please download it using hldsupdatetool.  The
> > specific changes include:
> > >
> > > - Fixed clients using reloadresponsesystems, sv_soundemitter_flush,
> > sv_soundemitter_filecheck, sv_findsoundname, and
> > sv_soundscape_printdebuginfo to lag/crash servers
> > > - The -pidfile command line option now works for Windows dedicated
> > servers
> > >
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> > >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Patrick Shelley]

LOOL - they did the testing for the latest patches on a PDA!

On 1/29/09, Nephyrin Zey  wrote:
>
> It's a trap! They want you to enjoy the timeout bug too!
>
> - Neph
>
>
> Jason Ruymen wrote:
> > Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.  This is not a required update,
> but it is recommended.  Please download it using hldsupdatetool.  The
> specific changes include:
> >
> > - Fixed clients using reloadresponsesystems, sv_soundemitter_flush,
> sv_soundemitter_filecheck, sv_findsoundname, and
> sv_soundscape_printdebuginfo to lag/crash servers
> > - The -pidfile command line option now works for Windows dedicated
> servers
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Available

[Nephyrin Zey]

It's a trap! They want you to enjoy the timeout bug too!

- Neph

Jason Ruymen wrote:
> Counter-Strike: Source has been updated.  This is not a required update, but 
> it is recommended.  Please download it using hldsupdatetool.  The specific 
> changes include:
>
> - Fixed clients using reloadresponsesystems, sv_soundemitter_flush, 
> sv_soundemitter_filecheck, sv_findsoundname, and sv_soundscape_printdebuginfo 
> to lag/crash servers
> - The -pidfile command line option now works for Windows dedicated servers
>
> Jason
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[LDuke]

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
I agree with the part that Valve has no obligation to support server
plugins, but if you think Mani doesn't use a ton of "hacks" your way off.
Just about anything besides recording stats, kicking, or banning someone
requires more than the provided plugin interface. The nice little menus you
see on the left of your screen, the weapon restrictions, and nearly every
other function use these other methods.


On 12/12/06, Wim Barelds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the
> fact that they do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus.
> The API is actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why
> Mani
> Matti and "general purpose" plugins all have no problem using the provided
> API). As for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's
> roots,
> that's not VALVe problem.
>
>
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Chris Barnett]

Artie,

The short term easy solution would be for VALVe to simply run a pre-release
beta. That way for the plugin developers, it's business as usual, except
that the plugin developers will be able to patch their plugins for the next
version of CS:S and we'll be able to patch our servers and the downtime will
be minutes rather than hours or days.

Chris.
U75CLAN

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of artiecs
Sent: 12 December 2006 03:41
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our servers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.

Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates came once every 6
months.

Here's an idea.How about not messing with the leafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeand instead make the API usefull.
Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.

Artie


- Original Message -
From: "{MDA} Spotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released


> Does it break mani?!?!?!
>
> Sorry!
>
> Spotta
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
> Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released.  Please
> run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%
> - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a level to prevent gun
> spamming
> - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
>
> Jason
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Chris Barnett]

This is all just yet another reason why VALVe should run a non-interactive
pre-release beta for CS:S

Plugin developers never have and never will stick to the API. Equally,
blaming VALVe doesn't get us anywhere.

It is no realistic to say "Blame the plugin developers and deal with it" -
We won't deal with it, because we shouldn't have to deal with it. There is a
simple solution to all of this. Valve just runs a pre-release beta and that
way the plugin developers and server operators would have ample time to
patch their software against any VALVe update.

Cheers,

Chris Barnett
U75CLAN.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gigabit Nick
Sent: 12 December 2006 10:33
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
Mod developers have no obligation what-so-ever to improve Valves products by
adding features and customisations people want and like which improve the
sales and reputation of Valves products, and server operators have no
obligation what-so-ever to operate servers which allow Valves products to be
used by Valves customers.

Now do you really think that people are going to keep buying, supporting,
and helping improve Valves products by developing mods and running servers
when their efforts get wiped out when an update happens?

Every time Valve breaks things which affect the servers Vavles customers
play on they Valve loose out in terms of reputation and user base. I
personally envy the CS 1.6 guys, at least they know what they have, where as
the CS : S community have things which may not be there tomorrow. With all
this in mind is it any wonder Valve can't get people to move en-masse from
CS 1.6 to CS : S?

After the "fun" I've seen with Valves attitude towards mods and server
operators I'd be surprised if they see another big hit in the same league as
CS : S because the technical people who can operate servers for their next
big game will just think "Do I want more cr*p like I have with the CS : S
server nahhh".

To sum up, it's true have no obligation to support server plugins, but in
the long run they loose out the most by not doing so.



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released> Date: Tue, 12
Dec 2006 09:15:56 +0100> > --> [ Picked text/plain from
multipart/alternative ]> VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even
support server plugins, the> fact that they do, and provide their own API
for doing so is a large plus.> The API is actually useful for most of any
general purposes (hence why Mani> Matti and "general purpose" plugins all
have no problem using the provided> API). As for the people that want to
hack into the game down to it's roots,> that's not VALVe problem.> > On
12/12/06, artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > Yeah i did fix the
gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM> > startup line in there
(with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got> > the> > new version now
and it seems to be running good.> >> > Artie> >> > - Original Message
-> > From: "Dan E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM> >
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released> >> >> > >
Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you> > > have to remember
to put the GameBin line back in there> > > so that MM loads correctly after
an update. And Bailo> > > released it, so far so good :) w00t.> > >> > >
Dan> > >> > > --- artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > > > It breaks
Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our> > > > servers that were running it,> >
> > one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.> > > >> > > > Valve
would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS> > > > API in Source and make
it> > > > something usefull so that people will actually use> > > > it. It's
getting old> > > > having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime> > > >
there's an update. Broken> > > > servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols
can be> > > > stronger and the leaf> > > > quality in Militia can be
improved!! What a sad> > > > joke, and we're the> > > > punchline. How I
long for the old days when updates> > > > came once every 6> > > > months.>
> > >> > > > Here's an idea.How about not messing with the> > > > leafs
in Militia, caus

RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Gigabit Nick]

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
Mod developers have no obligation what-so-ever to improve Valves products by 
adding features and customisations people want and like which improve the sales 
and reputation of Valves products, and server operators have no obligation 
what-so-ever to operate servers which allow Valves products to be used by 
Valves customers.

Now do you really think that people are going to keep buying, supporting, and 
helping improve Valves products by developing mods and running servers when 
their efforts get wiped out when an update happens?

Every time Valve breaks things which affect the servers Vavles customers play 
on they Valve loose out in terms of reputation and user base. I personally envy 
the CS 1.6 guys, at least they know what they have, where as the CS : S 
community have things which may not be there tomorrow. With all this in mind is 
it any wonder Valve can't get people to move en-masse from CS 1.6 to CS : S?

After the "fun" I've seen with Valves attitude towards mods and server 
operators I'd be surprised if they see another big hit in the same league as CS 
: S because the technical people who can operate servers for their next big 
game will just think "Do I want more cr*p like I have with the CS : S 
server nahhh".

To sum up, it's true have no obligation to support server plugins, but in the 
long run they loose out the most by not doing so.



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] 
> Counter-Strike: Source Update Released> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:15:56 
> +0100> > --> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> VALVe has no 
> obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the> fact that they 
> do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus.> The API is 
> actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani> Matti and 
> "general purpose" plugins all have no problem using the provided> API). As 
> for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots,> that's 
> not VALVe problem.> > On 12/12/06, artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > 
> Yeah i did fix the gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM> > 
> startup line in there (with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got> > 
> the> > new version now and it seems to be running good.> >> > Artie> >> > 
> - Original Message -> > From: "Dan E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: 
> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM> > 
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released> >> >> > > Updates 
> always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you> > > have to remember to put the 
> GameBin line back in there> > > so that MM loads correctly after an update. 
> And Bailo> > > released it, so far so good :) w00t.> > >> > > Dan> > >> > > 
> --- artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > > > It breaks Source Metamod, 
> at least on 2 of our> > > > servers that were running it,> > > > one of which 
> was a Gungame server so that's hosed.> > > >> > > > Valve would you PLEASE 
> make that god forsaken POS> > > > API in Source and make it> > > > something 
> usefull so that people will actually use> > > > it. It's getting old> > > > 
> having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime> > > > there's an update. 
> Broken> > > > servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be> > > > 
> stronger and the leaf> > > > quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad> 
> > > > joke, and we're the> > > > punchline. How I long for the old days when 
> updates> > > > came once every 6> > > > months.> > > >> > > > Here's an 
> idea.How about not messing with the> > > > leafs in Militia, cause> > > > 
> noone gives a shit what they look likeand> > > > instead make the API 
> usefull.> > > > Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.> > > >> > 
> > > Artie> > > >> > > >> > > > - Original Message -> > > > From: 
> "{MDA} Spotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > To: > 
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM> > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] 
> Counter-Strike: Source Update> > > > Released> > > >> > > >> >

RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[{MDA} Spotta]

Yawn.

Here we go again.

Spotta.

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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

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VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the
fact that they do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus.
The API is actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani
Matti and "general purpose" plugins all have no problem using the provided
API). As for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots,
that's not VALVe problem.

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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Gigabit Nick]

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The update breaks Zombie Mod as well. The author is off the net and so no he 
recons he won't get a fix out until the 16th (see 
http://www.zombiemod.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8751#post875).

I recon the first Ad Valve should run in-game should be "Wanted : patch testing 
service"  !!!



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] 
> Counter-Strike: Source Update Released> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:41:25 
> -0500> > It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our servers that were 
> running it,> one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.> > Valve 
> would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS API in Source and make it> 
> something usefull so that people will actually use it. It's getting old> 
> having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime there's an update. Broken> 
> servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be stronger and the leaf> 
> quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad joke, and we're the> 
> punchline. How I long for the old days when updates came once every 6> 
> months.> > Here's an idea.How about not messing with the leafs in 
> Militia, cause> noone gives a shit what they look likeand instead make 
> the API usefull.> Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.> > 
> Artie> > > ----- Original Message -> From: "{MDA} Spotta" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Monday, December 11, 
> 2006 6:12 PM> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released> > > 
> > Does it break mani?!?!?!> >> > Sorry!> >> > Spotta> >> > -Original 
> Message-> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Jason Ruymen> > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40> > To: 
> hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;> > 
> hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: 
> Source Update Released> >> > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has 
> been released. Please> > run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The specific 
> changes include:> >> > Counter-Strike: Source:> > - Increased ES57, Compact 
> 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%> > - Lowered allowed number of dropped 
> weapons in a level to prevent gun> > spamming> > - Updated foliage quality in 
> cs_militia> >> > Jason> >> >> >> > 
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Newbie]

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I would be very careful using statements like "hence why Mani

Matti and general purpose plugins all have no problem using the provided

API" as this is absolutely incorrect... As stated thousands of times by
plugin creators, the problem is that you can not accomplish lost of
"general" tasks without "hacking" into the game.
Also, even the page with Valve's requirements for admin plugin contains
stuff that simply can not be implemented in legal way using Valve provided
tools (khm, khm, try to implement slap feature in Source)...

Cheers,
Newbie


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From: "Wim Barelds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com

Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:15:56 +0100

Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released




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[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]

VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the

fact that they do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus.

The API is actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani

Matti and "general purpose" plugins all have no problem using the provided

API). As for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots,

that's not VALVe problem.



On 12/12/06, artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>

> Yeah i did fix the gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM

> startup line in there (with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got

> the

> new version now and it seems to be running good.

>

> Artie

>

> - Original Message -----

> From: "Dan E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: 

> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM

> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

>

>

> > Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you

> > have to remember to put the GameBin line back in there

> > so that MM loads correctly after an update.  And Bailo

> > released it, so far so good :) w00t.

> >

> > Dan

> >

> > --- artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >

> > > It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our

> > > servers that were running it,

> > > one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.

> > >

> > > Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS

> > > API in Source and make it

> > > something usefull so that people will actually use

> > > it. It's getting old

> > > having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime

> > > there's an update. Broken

> > > servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be

> > > stronger and the leaf

> > > quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad

> > > joke, and we're the

> > > punchline. How I long for the old days when updates

> > > came once every 6

> > > months.

> > >

> > > Here's an idea.How about not messing with the

> > > leafs in Militia, cause

> > > noone gives a shit what they look likeand

> > > instead make the API usefull.

> > > Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.

> > >

> > > Artie

> > >

> > >

> > > - Original Message -

> > > From: "{MDA} Spotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > > To: 

> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM

> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update

> > > Released

> > >

> > >

> > > > Does it break mani?!?!?!

> > > >

> > > > Sorry!

> > > >

> > > > Spotta

> > > >

> > > > -Original Message-

> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

> > > Behalf Of Jason Ruymen

> > > > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40

> > > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;

> > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;

> > > > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com

> > > > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update

> > > Released

> > > >

> > > > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has

> > > been released.  Please

> > > > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The

> > > specific changes include:

> > > >

> > > > Counter-Strike: Source:

> > > > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites

> > > damage by 25%

> > > > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a

> > > level to prevent gun

> > > > spamming

> > > > - Upda

RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[{MDA} Spotta]

Yep. Did that last time everything broke!

Spotta

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Sent: 12 December 2006 03:25
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

Also upgrade to mms 1.3d.

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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Wim Barelds]

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VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the
fact that they do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus.
The API is actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani
Matti and "general purpose" plugins all have no problem using the provided
API). As for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots,
that's not VALVe problem.

On 12/12/06, artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yeah i did fix the gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM
> startup line in there (with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got
> the
> new version now and it seems to be running good.
>
> Artie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
>
>
> > Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you
> > have to remember to put the GameBin line back in there
> > so that MM loads correctly after an update.  And Bailo
> > released it, so far so good :) w00t.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --- artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our
> > > servers that were running it,
> > > one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
> > >
> > > Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS
> > > API in Source and make it
> > > something usefull so that people will actually use
> > > it. It's getting old
> > > having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime
> > > there's an update. Broken
> > > servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be
> > > stronger and the leaf
> > > quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad
> > > joke, and we're the
> > > punchline. How I long for the old days when updates
> > > came once every 6
> > > months.
> > >
> > > Here's an idea.How about not messing with the
> > > leafs in Militia, cause
> > > noone gives a shit what they look likeand
> > > instead make the API usefull.
> > > Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
> > >
> > > Artie
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "{MDA} Spotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > > Released
> > >
> > >
> > > > Does it break mani?!?!?!
> > > >
> > > > Sorry!
> > > >
> > > > Spotta
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
> > > > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> > > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > > > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > > Released
> > > >
> > > > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> > > been released.  Please
> > > > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The
> > > specific changes include:
> > > >
> > > > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > > > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
> > > damage by 25%
> > > > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> > > level to prevent gun
> > > > spamming
> > > > - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
> > > >
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[artiecs]

Yeah i did fix the gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM
startup line in there (with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got the
new version now and it seems to be running good.

Artie

- Original Message -
From: "Dan E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released


> Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you
> have to remember to put the GameBin line back in there
> so that MM loads correctly after an update.  And Bailo
> released it, so far so good :) w00t.
>
> Dan
>
> --- artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our
> > servers that were running it,
> > one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
> >
> > Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS
> > API in Source and make it
> > something usefull so that people will actually use
> > it. It's getting old
> > having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime
> > there's an update. Broken
> > servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be
> > stronger and the leaf
> > quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad
> > joke, and we're the
> > punchline. How I long for the old days when updates
> > came once every 6
> > months.
> >
> > Here's an idea.How about not messing with the
> > leafs in Militia, cause
> > noone gives a shit what they look likeand
> > instead make the API usefull.
> > Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
> >
> > Artie
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "{MDA} Spotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > Released
> >
> >
> > > Does it break mani?!?!?!
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > Spotta
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
> > > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > Released
> > >
> > > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> > been released.  Please
> > > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The
> > specific changes include:
> > >
> > > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
> > damage by 25%
> > > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> > level to prevent gun
> > > spamming
> > > - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Dan E]

Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you
have to remember to put the GameBin line back in there
so that MM loads correctly after an update.  And Bailo
released it, so far so good :) w00t.

Dan

--- artiecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our
> servers that were running it,
> one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
>
> Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS
> API in Source and make it
> something usefull so that people will actually use
> it. It's getting old
> having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime
> there's an update. Broken
> servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be
> stronger and the leaf
> quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad
> joke, and we're the
> punchline. How I long for the old days when updates
> came once every 6
> months.
>
> Here's an idea.How about not messing with the
> leafs in Militia, cause
> noone gives a shit what they look likeand
> instead make the API usefull.
> Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
>
> Artie
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "{MDA} Spotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> Released
>
>
> > Does it break mani?!?!?!
> >
> > Sorry!
> >
> > Spotta
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
> > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> Released
> >
> > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> been released.  Please
> > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The
> specific changes include:
> >
> > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
> damage by 25%
> > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> level to prevent gun
> > spamming
> > - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[artiecs]

Oh sweet, glad to hear they fixed it so quick.

- Original Message -
From: "john @ GamersCoalition" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released


> Also upgrade to mms 1.3d.
>
> On 12/11/06, Dan E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Update:  The newest CSSDM beta (not released
> > officially but on the forums in a random post) will
> > work, not sure if it still crashes on mapchange
> > though.  So if you're running .96e it's fine so far.
> >
> >
> > --- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Balls
> > >
> > > I run that too.
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> > > =]
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > Of Dan E
> > > Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > > Released
> > >
> > > It broke CSSDM.. again.  Yay.  I fear the day that
> > > they actually release updates ahead of time to let
> > > developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
> > >
> > > --- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does it break mani?!?!?!
> > > >
> > > > Sorry!
> > > >
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> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > > > Released
> > > >
> > > > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> > > > been released.  Please
> > > > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The
> > > specific
> > > > changes include:
> > > >
> > > > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > > > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
> > > damage
> > > > by 25%
> > > > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> > > > level to prevent gun
> > > > spamming
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Dan E]

I don't think MM even loads without the 1.3d.  And
Bailopan is releasing an update to fix the mapchange
crash shortly (as in it sounds like it may be tonight)
:D

--- "john @ GamersCoalition"
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> Also upgrade to mms 1.3d.
>
> On 12/11/06, Dan E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Update:  The newest CSSDM beta (not released
> > officially but on the forums in a random post)
> will
> > work, not sure if it still crashes on mapchange
> > though.  So if you're running .96e it's fine so
> far.
> >
> >
> > --- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Balls
> > >
> > > I run that too.
> > >
> > > =]
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Dan E
> > > Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source
> Update
> > > Released
> > >
> > > It broke CSSDM.. again.  Yay.  I fear the day
> that
> > > they actually release updates ahead of time to
> let
> > > developers test on it, for it may be the
> apocalypse.
> > >
> > > --- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does it break mani?!?!?!
> > > >
> > > > Sorry!
> > > >
> > > > Spotta
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Jason Ruymen
> > > > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> > > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > > > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > > > Released
> > > >
> > > > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source
> has
> > > > been released.  Please
> > > > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The
> > > specific
> > > > changes include:
> > > >
> > > > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > > > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
> > > damage
> > > > by 25%
> > > > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in
> a
> > > > level to prevent gun
> > > > spamming
> > > > - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
> > > >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[artiecs]

It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our servers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.

Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates came once every 6
months.

Here's an idea.How about not messing with the leafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeand instead make the API usefull.
Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.

Artie


- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released


> Does it break mani?!?!?!
>
> Sorry!
>
> Spotta
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
> Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released.  Please
> run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%
> - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a level to prevent gun
> spamming
> - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[john @ GamersCoalition]

Also upgrade to mms 1.3d.

On 12/11/06, Dan E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Update:  The newest CSSDM beta (not released
officially but on the forums in a random post) will
work, not sure if it still crashes on mapchange
though.  So if you're running .96e it's fine so far.


--- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Balls
>
> I run that too.
>
> =]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Dan E
> Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> Released
>
> It broke CSSDM.. again.  Yay.  I fear the day that
> they actually release updates ahead of time to let
> developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
>
> --- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Does it break mani?!?!?!
> >
> > Sorry!
> >
> > Spotta
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Jason Ruymen
> > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > Released
> >
> > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> > been released.  Please
> > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The
> specific
> > changes include:
> >
> > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
> damage
> > by 25%
> > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> > level to prevent gun
> > spamming
> > - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
> >
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Dan E]

Update:  The newest CSSDM beta (not released
officially but on the forums in a random post) will
work, not sure if it still crashes on mapchange
though.  So if you're running .96e it's fine so far.


--- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Balls
>
> I run that too.
>
> =]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Dan E
> Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> Released
>
> It broke CSSDM.. again.  Yay.  I fear the day that
> they actually release updates ahead of time to let
> developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
>
> --- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Does it break mani?!?!?!
> >
> > Sorry!
> >
> > Spotta
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Jason Ruymen
> > Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> > hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> > Released
> >
> > A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> > been released.  Please
> > run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The
> specific
> > changes include:
> >
> > Counter-Strike: Source:
> > - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
> damage
> > by 25%
> > - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> > level to prevent gun
> > spamming
> > - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[{MDA} Spotta]

Balls

I run that too.

=]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E
Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

It broke CSSDM.. again.  Yay.  I fear the day that
they actually release updates ahead of time to let
developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.

--- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does it break mani?!?!?!
>
> Sorry!
>
> Spotta
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Jason Ruymen
> Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> Released
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> been released.  Please
> run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The specific
> changes include:
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage
> by 25%
> - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> level to prevent gun
> spamming
> - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
>
> Jason
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Dan E]

It broke CSSDM.. again.  Yay.  I fear the day that
they actually release updates ahead of time to let
developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.

--- {MDA} Spotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does it break mani?!?!?!
>
> Sorry!
>
> Spotta
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Jason Ruymen
> Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
> hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
> Released
>
> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
> been released.  Please
> run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The specific
> changes include:
>
> Counter-Strike: Source:
> - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage
> by 25%
> - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
> level to prevent gun
> spamming
> - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[{MDA} Spotta]

Does it break mani?!?!?!

Sorry!

Spotta

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released.  Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update.  The specific changes include:

Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia

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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[David Williams]

cheers roman will try it. thanks for the info

Roman Hatsiev wrote:
> Just in case if anyone is interested in something else apart from
> taunting Valve, here is small tip about mp_dynamicpricing.
>
> Seems like this cvar is checked when server loads map. Its default
> value is 1 so when server loads first map dynamic prices are still
> there even if you've got mp_dynamicpricing 0 in your server.cfg.
> Dynamic prices will disappear only after next mapchange. Not a big
> deal actually but should you want to fix that - just add
> +mp_dynamicpricing 0 to a command line starting your server and that's
> it!
>
> Regards,
>
> Roman
>
> On 02/11/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released.
>> Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
>> hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:
>>
>> Counter-Strike: Source:
>> - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing
>>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Roman Hatsiev]

Just in case if anyone is interested in something else apart from
taunting Valve, here is small tip about mp_dynamicpricing.

Seems like this cvar is checked when server loads map. Its default
value is 1 so when server loads first map dynamic prices are still
there even if you've got mp_dynamicpricing 0 in your server.cfg.
Dynamic prices will disappear only after next mapchange. Not a big
deal actually but should you want to fix that - just add
+mp_dynamicpricing 0 to a command line starting your server and that's
it!

Regards,

Roman

On 02/11/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released.
Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:

Counter-Strike: Source:
- Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing

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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Edward Luna]

I stand corrected and exonerated at the same time... lol!

-Original Message-
From: Chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:29 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released


One mistake, they bought the first one from a bunch of gamers, they
didn't produce it and It has gone downhill ever since.

Edward Luna wrote:
> "How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first?"
>
> Because they haven't learned yet that they are not the reason for the 
> success.  They produced a fine product and they do good work... so do a 
> million other people... but few acheive sucess.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>
>
> good magic trick. this is gonna happen all over the place. NOBODY WANTS
> THIS. The larger part of the community just want the lil bugs to be
> fixed. The annoying things that have been there from day one. Like the
> fact source get's stuck in sound loops which in turn makes the games
> skip/lag. Why not fix that. Why add a "feature" that everyone i know
> thinks sucks and 75% of the global community thinks blows.
>
> Valve you aren't listening to us. You keep going this way you gonna kill
> your best game. Whispers example is pretty common place. How about you
> leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first?
>
> Whisper wrote:
>
>> --
>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>> We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with
>> the beta
>>
>> On 11/2/06, Biscuits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>>> It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D
>>> This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;)
>>>
>>> On 11/2/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> But I can't turn it off.
>>>> I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its
>>>> default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off.
>>>> Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps
>>>> each of which have different values for each weapon?
>>>>
>>>> Matt Albiniak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> With all due respect, "get over it."
>>>>>
>>>>> You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
>>>>> community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
>>>>> pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
>>>>> still supported and is being developed with optional features.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
>>>>>> with these "features"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dollar,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> weapon pricing within the next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
>>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to be a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Chad]

One mistake, they bought the first one from a bunch of gamers, they
didn't produce it and It has gone downhill ever since.

Edward Luna wrote:

"How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first?"

Because they haven't learned yet that they are not the reason for the success.  
They produced a fine product and they do good work... so do a million other 
people... but few acheive sucess.

-Original Message-
From: David Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released


good magic trick. this is gonna happen all over the place. NOBODY WANTS
THIS. The larger part of the community just want the lil bugs to be
fixed. The annoying things that have been there from day one. Like the
fact source get's stuck in sound loops which in turn makes the games
skip/lag. Why not fix that. Why add a "feature" that everyone i know
thinks sucks and 75% of the global community thinks blows.

Valve you aren't listening to us. You keep going this way you gonna kill
your best game. Whispers example is pretty common place. How about you
leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first?

Whisper wrote:


--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with
the beta

On 11/2/06, Biscuits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D
This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;)

On 11/2/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



But I can't turn it off.
I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its
default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off.
Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps
each of which have different values for each weapon?

Matt Albiniak wrote:



With all due respect, "get over it."

You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
still supported and is being developed with optional features.

Best,

Matt
On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
with these "features"?


J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:



That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,



Dollar,



Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional



dynamic



weapon pricing within the next week.

-Original Message-
From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears



to be a



bug.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
Hi-Definition Gaming
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

And what is the default value?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
enable/disable this?

On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been



released.



Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:

Counter-Strike: Source:
- Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing

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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Biscuits]

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
Chrissy present was mani did not break :)
or matties or event scripts :D

On 11/2/06, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> All those shadow bugs still exist!
>
> Is being able to join spectator then rejoin a team a bug or a feature?
>
> sv_norealconsistencywhatsoever
>
> No Pure Server option
>
> That cl_interp bug where the stationary player doesn't see the moving
> player
> till much later even on LAN (Is that bug still there Wim?)
>
> Plain old dodgy sound bugs
>
> Map optimisations for FPS
>
> I think the list still goes on and on, but I agree, a bug fixing rather
> than
> feature enhancing update would go a long way? How about a nice Christmas
> present for CS:S players Valve?
>
> On 11/2/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > that's true. turns out it was the gameinfo file being updated so
> > sourcemm wasn't loading. that's ok i can deal with that but the dynamic
> > pricing switch doesn't seem to want to work.
> >
> > Whisper wrote:
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > What doesn't break mani? :)
> > >
> > > On 11/2/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> shame the "optional" features aren't that optional. as far as my
> > >> supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable
> > the
> > >> new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times
> and
> > >> it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but
> i
> > >> have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that.
> > >>
> > >> Matt Albiniak wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> With all due respect, "get over it."
> > >>>
> > >>> You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
> > >>> community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have
> most
> > >>> pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
> > >>> still supported and is being developed with optional features.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Matt
> > >>> On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good
> game
> > >>>> with these "features"?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Dollar,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> dynamic
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> weapon pricing within the next week.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -Original Message-
> > >>>>> From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
> > >>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> to be a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> bug.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -Original Message-
> > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
> > >>>>> Hi-Definition Gaming
> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
> > >>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And what is the default value?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -Original Message-
> > >>>>> From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
> >

RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Edward Luna]

"How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first?"

Because they haven't learned yet that they are not the reason for the success.  
They produced a fine product and they do good work... so do a million other 
people... but few acheive sucess.

-Original Message-
From: David Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released


good magic trick. this is gonna happen all over the place. NOBODY WANTS
THIS. The larger part of the community just want the lil bugs to be
fixed. The annoying things that have been there from day one. Like the
fact source get's stuck in sound loops which in turn makes the games
skip/lag. Why not fix that. Why add a "feature" that everyone i know
thinks sucks and 75% of the global community thinks blows.

Valve you aren't listening to us. You keep going this way you gonna kill
your best game. Whispers example is pretty common place. How about you
leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first?

Whisper wrote:
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with
> the beta
>
> On 11/2/06, Biscuits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> --
>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>> It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D
>> This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;)
>>
>> On 11/2/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> But I can't turn it off.
>>> I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its
>>> default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off.
>>> Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps
>>> each of which have different values for each weapon?
>>>
>>> Matt Albiniak wrote:
>>>
>>>> With all due respect, "get over it."
>>>>
>>>> You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
>>>> community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
>>>> pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
>>>> still supported and is being developed with optional features.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>> On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
>>>>> with these "features"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
>>>>>>
>>>>> Dollar,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
>>>>>>
>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>
>>>>>> weapon pricing within the next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
>>>>>>
>>>>> to be a
>>>>>
>>>>>> bug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
>>>>>> Hi-Definition Gaming
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what is the default value?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
>>>>>> enable/disable this?

RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Edward Luna]

I had jelly on my toast this morning instead of butter, and Mani kept working 
fine. :)

-Original Message-
From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:11 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released


--

[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
What doesn't break mani? :)

On 11/2/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shame the "optional" features aren't that optional. as far as my
> supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the
> new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and
> it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i
> have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that.
>
> Matt Albiniak wrote:
> > With all due respect, "get over it."
> >
> > You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
> > community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
> > pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
> > still supported and is being developed with optional features.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Matt
> > On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
> >> with these "features"?
> >>
> >>
> >> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
> >> > That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
> >> Dollar,
> >> > Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
> >> dynamic
> >> > weapon pricing within the next week.
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
> >> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> >> >
> >> > Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
> >> to be a
> >> > bug.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
> >> > Hi-Definition Gaming
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
> >> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> >> >
> >> > And what is the default value?
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
> >> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> >> >
> >> > I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
> >> > enable/disable this?
> >> >
> >> > On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released.
> >> >> Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
> >> >> hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:
> >> >>
> >> >> Counter-Strike: Source:
> >> >> - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing
> >> >>
> >> >> Jason
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Whisper]

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
All those shadow bugs still exist!

Is being able to join spectator then rejoin a team a bug or a feature?

sv_norealconsistencywhatsoever

No Pure Server option

That cl_interp bug where the stationary player doesn't see the moving player
till much later even on LAN (Is that bug still there Wim?)

Plain old dodgy sound bugs

Map optimisations for FPS

I think the list still goes on and on, but I agree, a bug fixing rather than
feature enhancing update would go a long way? How about a nice Christmas
present for CS:S players Valve?

On 11/2/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> that's true. turns out it was the gameinfo file being updated so
> sourcemm wasn't loading. that's ok i can deal with that but the dynamic
> pricing switch doesn't seem to want to work.
>
> Whisper wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > What doesn't break mani? :)
> >
> > On 11/2/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> shame the "optional" features aren't that optional. as far as my
> >> supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable
> the
> >> new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and
> >> it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i
> >> have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that.
> >>
> >> Matt Albiniak wrote:
> >>
> >>> With all due respect, "get over it."
> >>>
> >>> You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
> >>> community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
> >>> pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
> >>> still supported and is being developed with optional features.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>> On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
> >>>> with these "features"?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
> >>>>>
> >>>> Dollar,
> >>>>
> >>>>> Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
> >>>>>
> >>>> dynamic
> >>>>
> >>>>> weapon pricing within the next week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>> From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
> >>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
> >>>>>
> >>>> to be a
> >>>>
> >>>>> bug.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
> >>>>> Hi-Definition Gaming
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
> >>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And what is the default value?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>> From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
> >>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
> >>>>> enable/disable this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been
> released.
> >>>>>> Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
> >>>>>&g

RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Edward Luna]

If the Beta can do that, imagine what the finished product can do.  :)~

-Original Message-
From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:11 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released


--

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We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with
the beta

On 11/2/06, Biscuits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D
> This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;)
>
> On 11/2/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > But I can't turn it off.
> > I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its
> > default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off.
> > Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps
> > each of which have different values for each weapon?
> >
> > Matt Albiniak wrote:
> > > With all due respect, "get over it."
> > >
> > > You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
> > > community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
> > > pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
> > > still supported and is being developed with optional features.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
> > >> with these "features"?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
> > >> > That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
> > >> Dollar,
> > >> > Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
> > >> dynamic
> > >> > weapon pricing within the next week.
> > >> >
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
> > >> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> > >> >
> > >> > Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
> > >> to be a
> > >> > bug.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-
> > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
> > >> > Hi-Definition Gaming
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
> > >> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> > >> >
> > >> > And what is the default value?
> > >> >
> > >> > -Original Message-
> > >> > From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
> > >> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
> > >> >
> > >> > I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
> > >> > enable/disable this?
> > >> >
> > >> > On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been
> released.
> > >> >> Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
> > >> >> hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Counter-Strike: Source:
> > >> >> - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Jason
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ___
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> > >> archives,
> > >> >>
> > >> > please visit:
> > >> >
> > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > &g

RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[Edward Luna]

Because success is almost always an accidental confluence of demand, timing, 
and luck.  Those that succeed are often foolish enough think it had something 
to do with "them" so they try it again and again but never achieve anything 
close to their prior success.

-Original Message-
From: Chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:29 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released


Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
with these "features"?


J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
> That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar,
> Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional dynamic
> weapon pricing within the next week.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>
> Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a
> bug.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
> Hi-Definition Gaming
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>
> And what is the default value?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>
> I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
> enable/disable this?
>
> On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released.
>> Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
>> hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:
>>
>> Counter-Strike: Source:
>> - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,
>>
> please visit:
>
>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Matt Albiniak
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[David Williams]

that's true. turns out it was the gameinfo file being updated so
sourcemm wasn't loading. that's ok i can deal with that but the dynamic
pricing switch doesn't seem to want to work.

Whisper wrote:
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> What doesn't break mani? :)
>
> On 11/2/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> shame the "optional" features aren't that optional. as far as my
>> supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the
>> new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and
>> it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i
>> have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that.
>>
>> Matt Albiniak wrote:
>>
>>> With all due respect, "get over it."
>>>
>>> You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
>>> community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
>>> pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
>>> still supported and is being developed with optional features.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
>>>> with these "features"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
>>>>>
>>>> Dollar,
>>>>
>>>>> Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
>>>>>
>>>> dynamic
>>>>
>>>>> weapon pricing within the next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>
>>>>> Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
>>>>>
>>>> to be a
>>>>
>>>>> bug.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
>>>>> Hi-Definition Gaming
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>
>>>>> And what is the default value?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
>>>>> enable/disable this?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released.
>>>>>> Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
>>>>>> hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Counter-Strike: Source:
>>>>>> - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
>>>>>>
>>>> archives,
>>>>
>>>>> please visit:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matt Albiniak
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
>>>>>
>> archives,
>>
>>>>>

Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released

[David Williams]

good magic trick. this is gonna happen all over the place. NOBODY WANTS
THIS. The larger part of the community just want the lil bugs to be
fixed. The annoying things that have been there from day one. Like the
fact source get's stuck in sound loops which in turn makes the games
skip/lag. Why not fix that. Why add a "feature" that everyone i know
thinks sucks and 75% of the global community thinks blows.

Valve you aren't listening to us. You keep going this way you gonna kill
your best game. Whispers example is pretty common place. How about you
leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first?

Whisper wrote:
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with
> the beta
>
> On 11/2/06, Biscuits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> --
>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>> It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D
>> This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;)
>>
>> On 11/2/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> But I can't turn it off.
>>> I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its
>>> default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off.
>>> Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps
>>> each of which have different values for each weapon?
>>>
>>> Matt Albiniak wrote:
>>>
>>>> With all due respect, "get over it."
>>>>
>>>> You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our
>>>> community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most
>>>> pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is
>>>> still supported and is being developed with optional features.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>> On 11/1/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is valve/steam /whoever is "them"  ruining a perfectly good game
>>>>> with these "features"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen,
>>>>>>
>>>>> Dollar,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for "true" regional
>>>>>>
>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>
>>>>>> weapon pricing within the next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM
>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears
>>>>>>
>>>>> to be a
>>>>>
>>>>>> bug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws -
>>>>>> Hi-Definition Gaming
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM
>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what is the default value?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM
>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to
>>>>>> enable/disable this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been
>>>>>>>
>> released.
>>
>>>>>>> Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run
>>>>>>> hldsupdatetool.  The changes are:
>>>>>>>
&g