Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
Parents have the last word regardless of what the law thinks! We cannot shield them from everything and we should not try or they will not learn what to avoid. It's a very fine line and few any more care enough to try. They would much rather say that the video game manufacturers, television and movie makers should be held responsible for their lack of effort. More parents should play with their children instead of using the TV and video games as babysitters. I had a hard day. Why don't you go watch TV or something? Welcome to the 21st Century. :( Just my opinion anyhow. Link Scott Pettit wrote: There already is a cvar - sv_allowupload 0 And hell, parents are responsible for their kids - if you don't want your kids seeing porn sprays, why are they playing an (arguably) violent computer game? Certainly here, CS is rated R16, which means those under 16 are _not_ allowed to play it, regardless of what their parents may think. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I play CS.And my servers are well maintained and the trash is taken out regularly.We have a major server rule or Respect all players on our server and if you don't your gone.Simple as that.I never seem to have issue of people spraying porn sprays ect.Or talking too foul,but then again we run adult servers so we tolerate it as I'm not quite as tight lipped as most parents. So the whole parent thing about the sprays ect also goes for admins on your servers.Your gameplay experience and ammount of problems on your server reflects exactly what YOU put into it and what your admins put into it.So if you quit playing cs you were on the wrong servers.OR if it was your serverwell you get the point. BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Note: I don't play CS, and the type of people that play CS today versus OP4 might be why. Ook nails it ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
1. How many loading banners have you seen that would not be suitable for kids? 2. How many sprays have you seen in game that would not be suitable for kids? That's just two questions, that I feel the average reader of this mail could answer... Truly, the loading banner is very rarely (if ever) offensive. I have for one did not see any at the time that I would deem unsuitable for My children. We could go further, text chat in game can be VERY offensive, and perhaps emotionally affect kids (or adults)... Custom Sprays, Voice, Some custom maps, Oh and what about 'that HW guy is BULLYING ME' surely that's a case for court? Perhaps the time has come when Steam games should have an abuse button that can be used? That would hopefully cover Valve, in that they've done what they can about abusive user/admin/server. Once someone gets 50 unique complaints, Valve examines it themselves? There's enough control being put on us as a people, political crapness etc, we're losing real life 'features' on a daily basis, there's a better way! (Just from the 'feel' in Valve games, they aren't the type to 'give in')... I know this is kinda silly, and the banner doesn't MAKE the game, but it would be nice to see it back. Hey, if we're getting other peoples ads coming up on our banners, we should be getting paid for advertising £ :) $ ;) Maybe a NEW cvar just for the banners, that would be like 1 line of code, surely that would be easy to implement and update via steam? - Original Message - From: Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner Whether or not kids play the game isn't the issue. Valve turned off banners because people were using inappropriate content. The inappropriate content was offensive to adults, and went far beyond what one could reasonably expect to find in a game rated M for mature. They may one day do something about sprays in game, but the usage of offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem for them to do anything about them. yet. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner Yes but what is the esrb rating on most hl1 games? You guessed it... Rated M for mature. It is not valve's job to enforce the M rating on the game. It is the job of the retailers to not sell the game to minors and then the job of the parents to monitor what their children consume. You can't argue that it should be taken down because an 8 year old could see a banner. You could maybe argue that a porno banner because it actually appeared to come from valve leads them to disable it to reduce their liability. But then could not also a spray in game appear to come from valve, because you see it in game? I suppose valve should have never brought hl1 and hl2 to market because an 8 year old could accidently see it, if we were to use your they don't need to joining to see that in their face argument. If people want to let their kids play mature games then they should merely make a setting that would disable the banner and sprays... Oh wait that already exits... It is called the cl_allowdownloads cvar. Wouldn't this cvar disable the banner downloads, fast downloads, and any custom content that did not come with the default game and disable sprays also? Seems like people that let their kids play mature games and are concerned about them seeing that material should use that setting and monitor their children. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bass Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:42 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner They could get that with a nasty spray as well. Ook wrote: The liability issue is too great. Some bozo puts child p0rn in their banner, and Valve finds themselves in court. I have an 8 year old and a 10 year old that play on my server all the time, and sometimes play on other servers. I don't need them joining a server and having some xxx banner in their face. Too many children play Half-Life, and all it took was some bozo with an obscene logo to get Valve to take the feature away. It will never be given back to us. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner I've brought this up before, Alfred even took steps to see WHY the banners weren't working. Then he remembered that they had been taken out of the engine, and I'm sure commented that they would not be coming back. Why they were taken out, I'm not sure, they were a nice feature, better to have something there than a boring loading screen during maploads. Really Valve, give us these back, they're no worse than having in game sprays etc, what harm could they possibly do? Steve
RE: [hlds] HL1 banner
Hello, Just to chip into this debate, the ability to display banners while the game is loading, in my opinion, would not necessarily be attractive to advertisers or sponsors in the first place. Looking at how commercial advertising generally works, clients request that their adverts are shown for a minimum (or optimal) amount of time, so the relevant information in regards to the advertisement (e.g. a brand name, slogan or other catchy hook) is displayed long enough for the viewer to absorb it. Secondly, online advertisers require the ability to click-through to their web site or marketing campaign. Due to the nature of how the game loads, all processing time is transferred to loading of the game, thus user interactivity is generally unresponsive (as a side problem, because of this, animated banners become an issue, too). So, mitigating problems that also come from having banners displayed at load time include that the time taken to load can vary quite wildly, and opening a web browser while the game is full-screen just to view an advertisement is something that isn't going to happen. Without these abilities, displaying a banner advert is mostly a waste, and relying on the user remembering about your product an hour later when they stop playing. That's not going to work. And also related, how many users actually read the MOTD on game servers? Maybe one or two, so that's not an attractive option either :) Lastly, to chip in on the whole this isn't appropriate for kids debate, kids generally are attracted to things that aren't appropriate for them - that's what kids do. Also, parental awareness about computer games is generally fairly low, and various governmental or charity campaigns largely get unnoticed by these parents. I'm sure if it was explained to parents that Counter-Strike involves killing and brutally maiming terrorists and counter-terrorists in a quick-fire civil war, things might not necessarily go down too well! And finally, to reply to Steve's comment about adding a cvar for a banner being one line of code, I can see you're not a software developer :) -- Bart King http://www.bart666.com -- +44 781 219 5654 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve! Sent: 10 November 2006 09:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner 1. How many loading banners have you seen that would not be suitable for kids? 2. How many sprays have you seen in game that would not be suitable for kids? That's just two questions, that I feel the average reader of this mail could answer... Truly, the loading banner is very rarely (if ever) offensive. I have for one did not see any at the time that I would deem unsuitable for My children. We could go further, text chat in game can be VERY offensive, and perhaps emotionally affect kids (or adults)... Custom Sprays, Voice, Some custom maps, Oh and what about 'that HW guy is BULLYING ME' surely that's a case for court? Perhaps the time has come when Steam games should have an abuse button that can be used? That would hopefully cover Valve, in that they've done what they can about abusive user/admin/server. Once someone gets 50 unique complaints, Valve examines it themselves? There's enough control being put on us as a people, political crapness etc, we're losing real life 'features' on a daily basis, there's a better way! (Just from the 'feel' in Valve games, they aren't the type to 'give in')... I know this is kinda silly, and the banner doesn't MAKE the game, but it would be nice to see it back. Hey, if we're getting other peoples ads coming up on our banners, we should be getting paid for advertising £ :) $ ;) Maybe a NEW cvar just for the banners, that would be like 1 line of code, surely that would be easy to implement and update via steam? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My orginal post was not meant to bring this to the whole, children playing HL, I've been on game servers, and there have been children there. But I'm still getting an BF2 game advert in SvenCoop, while its comming up when I connect to my own server, personaly id rather have my website or something else placed there. I've not tried other mods to see if it is in that, but I've seen the Valve Content logos up a few times recently, where before it was just a black box. On 10/11/06, Bart King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Just to chip into this debate, the ability to display banners while the game is loading, in my opinion, would not necessarily be attractive to advertisers or sponsors in the first place. Looking at how commercial advertising generally works, clients request that their adverts are shown for a minimum (or optimal) amount of time, so the relevant information in regards to the advertisement (e.g. a brand name, slogan or other catchy hook) is displayed long enough for the viewer to absorb it. Secondly, online advertisers require the ability to click-through to their web site or marketing campaign. Due to the nature of how the game loads, all processing time is transferred to loading of the game, thus user interactivity is generally unresponsive (as a side problem, because of this, animated banners become an issue, too). So, mitigating problems that also come from having banners displayed at load time include that the time taken to load can vary quite wildly, and opening a web browser while the game is full-screen just to view an advertisement is something that isn't going to happen. Without these abilities, displaying a banner advert is mostly a waste, and relying on the user remembering about your product an hour later when they stop playing. That's not going to work. And also related, how many users actually read the MOTD on game servers? Maybe one or two, so that's not an attractive option either :) Lastly, to chip in on the whole this isn't appropriate for kids debate, kids generally are attracted to things that aren't appropriate for them - that's what kids do. Also, parental awareness about computer games is generally fairly low, and various governmental or charity campaigns largely get unnoticed by these parents. I'm sure if it was explained to parents that Counter-Strike involves killing and brutally maiming terrorists and counter-terrorists in a quick-fire civil war, things might not necessarily go down too well! And finally, to reply to Steve's comment about adding a cvar for a banner being one line of code, I can see you're not a software developer :) -- Bart King http://www.bart666.com -- +44 781 219 5654 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve! Sent: 10 November 2006 09:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner 1. How many loading banners have you seen that would not be suitable for kids? 2. How many sprays have you seen in game that would not be suitable for kids? That's just two questions, that I feel the average reader of this mail could answer... Truly, the loading banner is very rarely (if ever) offensive. I have for one did not see any at the time that I would deem unsuitable for My children. We could go further, text chat in game can be VERY offensive, and perhaps emotionally affect kids (or adults)... Custom Sprays, Voice, Some custom maps, Oh and what about 'that HW guy is BULLYING ME' surely that's a case for court? Perhaps the time has come when Steam games should have an abuse button that can be used? That would hopefully cover Valve, in that they've done what they can about abusive user/admin/server. Once someone gets 50 unique complaints, Valve examines it themselves? There's enough control being put on us as a people, political crapness etc, we're losing real life 'features' on a daily basis, there's a better way! (Just from the 'feel' in Valve games, they aren't the type to 'give in')... I know this is kinda silly, and the banner doesn't MAKE the game, but it would be nice to see it back. Hey, if we're getting other peoples ads coming up on our banners, we should be getting paid for advertising £ :) $ ;) Maybe a NEW cvar just for the banners, that would be like 1 line of code, surely that would be easy to implement and update via steam? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- .: =CATS= Gaming :. .: http://www.catsgaming.com :. .: This email contains information that maybe confidential if your not the intended recipient, please delete this email :. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit
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As suggested before... That sounds like a content server advertising. That does not sound like the fastdownload advertising. People get an ad in the content server advertising by providing a content server to valve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ðåñ Offord Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:19 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My orginal post was not meant to bring this to the whole, children playing HL, I've been on game servers, and there have been children there. But I'm still getting an BF2 game advert in SvenCoop, while its comming up when I connect to my own server, personaly id rather have my website or something else placed there. I've not tried other mods to see if it is in that, but I've seen the Valve Content logos up a few times recently, where before it was just a black box. On 10/11/06, Bart King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Just to chip into this debate, the ability to display banners while the game is loading, in my opinion, would not necessarily be attractive to advertisers or sponsors in the first place. Looking at how commercial advertising generally works, clients request that their adverts are shown for a minimum (or optimal) amount of time, so the relevant information in regards to the advertisement (e.g. a brand name, slogan or other catchy hook) is displayed long enough for the viewer to absorb it. Secondly, online advertisers require the ability to click-through to their web site or marketing campaign. Due to the nature of how the game loads, all processing time is transferred to loading of the game, thus user interactivity is generally unresponsive (as a side problem, because of this, animated banners become an issue, too). So, mitigating problems that also come from having banners displayed at load time include that the time taken to load can vary quite wildly, and opening a web browser while the game is full-screen just to view an advertisement is something that isn't going to happen. Without these abilities, displaying a banner advert is mostly a waste, and relying on the user remembering about your product an hour later when they stop playing. That's not going to work. And also related, how many users actually read the MOTD on game servers? Maybe one or two, so that's not an attractive option either :) Lastly, to chip in on the whole this isn't appropriate for kids debate, kids generally are attracted to things that aren't appropriate for them - that's what kids do. Also, parental awareness about computer games is generally fairly low, and various governmental or charity campaigns largely get unnoticed by these parents. I'm sure if it was explained to parents that Counter-Strike involves killing and brutally maiming terrorists and counter-terrorists in a quick-fire civil war, things might not necessarily go down too well! And finally, to reply to Steve's comment about adding a cvar for a banner being one line of code, I can see you're not a software developer :) -- Bart King http://www.bart666.com -- +44 781 219 5654 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve! Sent: 10 November 2006 09:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner 1. How many loading banners have you seen that would not be suitable for kids? 2. How many sprays have you seen in game that would not be suitable for kids? That's just two questions, that I feel the average reader of this mail could answer... Truly, the loading banner is very rarely (if ever) offensive. I have for one did not see any at the time that I would deem unsuitable for My children. We could go further, text chat in game can be VERY offensive, and perhaps emotionally affect kids (or adults)... Custom Sprays, Voice, Some custom maps, Oh and what about 'that HW guy is BULLYING ME' surely that's a case for court? Perhaps the time has come when Steam games should have an abuse button that can be used? That would hopefully cover Valve, in that they've done what they can about abusive user/admin/server. Once someone gets 50 unique complaints, Valve examines it themselves? There's enough control being put on us as a people, political crapness etc, we're losing real life 'features' on a daily basis, there's a better way! (Just from the 'feel' in Valve games, they aren't the type to 'give in')... I know this is kinda silly, and the banner doesn't MAKE the game, but it would be nice to see it back. Hey, if we're getting other peoples ads coming up on our banners, we should be getting paid for advertising £ :) $ ;) Maybe a NEW cvar just for the banners, that would be like 1 line of code
RE: [hlds] HL1 banner
If it was offensive to adults you disconnect from the server. Or you use a cvar that prohibits the display of the banner You don't totally disable something for all the server operators. Offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem? What are you smoking? I never once saw a porno banner.gif and I have seen tons of porno sprays. We have to enforce the no porno sprays all the time on our servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:13 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner Whether or not kids play the game isn't the issue. Valve turned off banners because people were using inappropriate content. The inappropriate content was offensive to adults, and went far beyond what one could reasonably expect to find in a game rated M for mature. They may one day do something about sprays in game, but the usage of offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem for them to do anything about them. yet. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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- Original Message - From: Bart King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner Secondly, online advertisers require the ability to click-through to their web site or marketing campaign. Due to the nature of how the game loads, all processing time is transferred to loading of the game, thus user interactivity is generally unresponsive (as a side problem, because of this, animated banners become an issue, too). --- This is a bit off topic now.But,You do realize that if you click that banner on the content server it does open an Internet Explorer window to whatever page is being advertised? BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yes but this is not the case for the banner that is displayed when you get a fast download from a server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [GS]Admin Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:29 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner - Original Message - From: Bart King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner Secondly, online advertisers require the ability to click-through to their web site or marketing campaign. Due to the nature of how the game loads, all processing time is transferred to loading of the game, thus user interactivity is generally unresponsive (as a side problem, because of this, animated banners become an issue, too). --- This is a bit off topic now.But,You do realize that if you click that banner on the content server it does open an Internet Explorer window to whatever page is being advertised? BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Theres a bad bug with the banner URL thing. I'll start another thread about it. ---Original Message--- From: [GS]Admin Date: 11/10/2006 12:30:44 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner - Original Message - From: Bart King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner Secondly, online advertisers require the ability to click-through to their web site or marketing campaign. Due to the nature of how the game loads, all processing time is transferred to loading of the game, thus user interactivity is generally unresponsive (as a side problem, because of this, animated banners become an issue, too). --- This is a bit off topic now.But,You do realize that if you click that banner on the content server it does open an Internet Explorer window to whatever page is being advertised? BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I said offensive sprays have not become enough of a problem for Valve to take action. If that were not so, then sprays would not be allowed. Since sprays are allowed, they have not become enough of a problem for valve to take action. I didn't say they were not a problem, I said they were not enough of a problem for Valve to take action :-P In all the years and the many many many hours I've played DM, I think I've only seen one offensive spray. Note: I don't play CS, and the type of people that play CS today versus OP4 might be why. My girls play on my server a lot and have several friends that come around on a regular basis. It's been a long time since I had to ban someone from my server. It's quite G rated, and my girls are fast to kick anyone that gets mouthy or obnoxious. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner If it was offensive to adults you disconnect from the server. Or you use a cvar that prohibits the display of the banner You don't totally disable something for all the server operators. Offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem? What are you smoking? I never once saw a porno banner.gif and I have seen tons of porno sprays. We have to enforce the no porno sprays all the time on our servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:13 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner Whether or not kids play the game isn't the issue. Valve turned off banners because people were using inappropriate content. The inappropriate content was offensive to adults, and went far beyond what one could reasonably expect to find in a game rated M for mature. They may one day do something about sprays in game, but the usage of offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem for them to do anything about them. yet. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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There already is a cvar - sv_allowupload 0 And hell, parents are responsible for their kids - if you don't want your kids seeing porn sprays, why are they playing an (arguably) violent computer game? Certainly here, CS is rated R16, which means those under 16 are _not_ allowed to play it, regardless of what their parents may think. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Note: I don't play CS, and the type of people that play CS today versus OP4 might be why. Ook nails it On 11/11/06, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said offensive sprays have not become enough of a problem for Valve to take action. If that were not so, then sprays would not be allowed. Since sprays are allowed, they have not become enough of a problem for valve to take action. I didn't say they were not a problem, I said they were not enough of a problem for Valve to take action :-P In all the years and the many many many hours I've played DM, I think I've only seen one offensive spray. Note: I don't play CS, and the type of people that play CS today versus OP4 might be why. My girls play on my server a lot and have several friends that come around on a regular basis. It's been a long time since I had to ban someone from my server. It's quite G rated, and my girls are fast to kick anyone that gets mouthy or obnoxious. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner If it was offensive to adults you disconnect from the server. Or you use a cvar that prohibits the display of the banner You don't totally disable something for all the server operators. Offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem? What are you smoking? I never once saw a porno banner.gif and I have seen tons of porno sprays. We have to enforce the no porno sprays all the time on our servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:13 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner Whether or not kids play the game isn't the issue. Valve turned off banners because people were using inappropriate content. The inappropriate content was offensive to adults, and went far beyond what one could reasonably expect to find in a game rated M for mature. They may one day do something about sprays in game, but the usage of offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem for them to do anything about them. yet. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL1 banner
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are we still talking about this? fact is I can avoid the porn spray(s), and if it gets to much for me I just not play with those players that seem spray happy. How ever I can not control the image forced onto my screen when I download custom content from some random server, I can only avoid the server next time. Big law suit directed at Valve if someone really wanted to push the issue. So now if Valve wanted to spend the time and give the client the ability to control if the banner was displayed, (as I am pretty sure you can chose not to show sprays) then there would be no problem, but again mute point here huh, they decided to remove it from the server and as far as they see it problem solved. Dustin Tuft From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:20:39 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Note: I don't play CS, and the type of people that play CS today versus OP4 might be why. Ook nails it On 11/11/06, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said offensive sprays have not become enough of a problem for Valve to take action. If that were not so, then sprays would not be allowed. Since sprays are allowed, they have not become enough of a problem for valve to take action. I didn't say they were not a problem, I said they were not enough of a problem for Valve to take action :-P In all the years and the many many many hours I've played DM, I think I've only seen one offensive spray. Note: I don't play CS, and the type of people that play CS today versus OP4 might be why. My girls play on my server a lot and have several friends that come around on a regular basis. It's been a long time since I had to ban someone from my server. It's quite G rated, and my girls are fast to kick anyone that gets mouthy or obnoxious.- Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner If it was offensive to adults you disconnect from the server. Or you use a cvar that prohibits the display of the banner You don't totally disable something for all the server operators. Offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem? What are you smoking? I never once saw a porno banner.gif and I have seen tons of porno sprays. We have to enforce the no porno sprays all the time on our servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:13 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner Whether or not kids play the game isn't the issue. Valve turned off banners because people were using inappropriate content. The inappropriate content was offensive to adults, and went far beyond what one could reasonably expect to find in a game rated M for mature. They may one day do something about sprays in game, but the usage of offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem for them to do anything about them. yet. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
- Original Message - From: Ðåñ Offord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [hlds] HL1 banner -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi, Recently playing on a SvenCoop Server i noticed they put the advert banners back on, for some BF2 servers? I also noticed that I got the advert on my own content server which is annoying. So quick question, does the banner.gif work again and how are you meant to use it? Dan I don't think they have started letting people have adverts again?I wish they would though cause it sucks that I'm using my bandwidth for other people's servers to help them out and I can't even do a bit of advertising. And by BF2 do you mean the game BF2 or is that a communities abbreviation? BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hey, There for Hypernia Ranked Servers, with a free copy of BattleField 2, but they dont appear to be clickable. I hope they have added the banner system back in, I can change from the black box, to a link back to my website. On 09/11/06, [GS]Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Ðåñ Offord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [hlds] HL1 banner -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi, Recently playing on a SvenCoop Server i noticed they put the advert banners back on, for some BF2 servers? I also noticed that I got the advert on my own content server which is annoying. So quick question, does the banner.gif work again and how are you meant to use it? Dan I don't think they have started letting people have adverts again?I wish they would though cause it sucks that I'm using my bandwidth for other people's servers to help them out and I can't even do a bit of advertising. And by BF2 do you mean the game BF2 or is that a communities abbreviation? BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- .: =CATS= Gaming :. .: http://www.catsgaming.com :. .: This email contains information that maybe confidential if your not the intended recipient, please delete this email :. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
I haven't tried it but I doubt they would bring it back, for cs servers at least. from what i gather, the reason they removed the option was because people were abusing it (using porn, obscenities, etc) and they didn't want it to appear valve/steam was affiliated with that material. it was probably the content server's banner you saw, not a fastdownload or hltv. - Original Message - From: Ðåñ Offord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hey, There for Hypernia Ranked Servers, with a free copy of BattleField 2, but they dont appear to be clickable. I hope they have added the banner system back in, I can change from the black box, to a link back to my website. On 09/11/06, [GS]Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Ðåñ Offord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [hlds] HL1 banner -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi, Recently playing on a SvenCoop Server i noticed they put the advert banners back on, for some BF2 servers? I also noticed that I got the advert on my own content server which is annoying. So quick question, does the banner.gif work again and how are you meant to use it? Dan I don't think they have started letting people have adverts again?I wish they would though cause it sucks that I'm using my bandwidth for other people's servers to help them out and I can't even do a bit of advertising. And by BF2 do you mean the game BF2 or is that a communities abbreviation? BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- .: =CATS= Gaming :. .: http://www.catsgaming.com :. .: This email contains information that maybe confidential if your not the intended recipient, please delete this email :. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
I've brought this up before, Alfred even took steps to see WHY the banners weren't working. Then he remembered that they had been taken out of the engine, and I'm sure commented that they would not be coming back. Why they were taken out, I'm not sure, they were a nice feature, better to have something there than a boring loading screen during maploads. Really Valve, give us these back, they're no worse than having in game sprays etc, what harm could they possibly do? Steve! www.timerider.co.uk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
The liability issue is too great. Some bozo puts child p0rn in their banner, and Valve finds themselves in court. I have an 8 year old and a 10 year old that play on my server all the time, and sometimes play on other servers. I don't need them joining a server and having some xxx banner in their face. Too many children play Half-Life, and all it took was some bozo with an obscene logo to get Valve to take the feature away. It will never be given back to us. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner I've brought this up before, Alfred even took steps to see WHY the banners weren't working. Then he remembered that they had been taken out of the engine, and I'm sure commented that they would not be coming back. Why they were taken out, I'm not sure, they were a nice feature, better to have something there than a boring loading screen during maploads. Really Valve, give us these back, they're no worse than having in game sprays etc, what harm could they possibly do? Steve! www.timerider.co.uk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
They could get that with a nasty spray as well. Ook wrote: The liability issue is too great. Some bozo puts child p0rn in their banner, and Valve finds themselves in court. I have an 8 year old and a 10 year old that play on my server all the time, and sometimes play on other servers. I don't need them joining a server and having some xxx banner in their face. Too many children play Half-Life, and all it took was some bozo with an obscene logo to get Valve to take the feature away. It will never be given back to us. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner I've brought this up before, Alfred even took steps to see WHY the banners weren't working. Then he remembered that they had been taken out of the engine, and I'm sure commented that they would not be coming back. Why they were taken out, I'm not sure, they were a nice feature, better to have something there than a boring loading screen during maploads. Really Valve, give us these back, they're no worse than having in game sprays etc, what harm could they possibly do? Steve! www.timerider.co.uk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL1 banner
Yes but what is the esrb rating on most hl1 games? You guessed it... Rated M for mature. It is not valve's job to enforce the M rating on the game. It is the job of the retailers to not sell the game to minors and then the job of the parents to monitor what their children consume. You can't argue that it should be taken down because an 8 year old could see a banner. You could maybe argue that a porno banner because it actually appeared to come from valve leads them to disable it to reduce their liability. But then could not also a spray in game appear to come from valve, because you see it in game? I suppose valve should have never brought hl1 and hl2 to market because an 8 year old could accidently see it, if we were to use your they don't need to joining to see that in their face argument. If people want to let their kids play mature games then they should merely make a setting that would disable the banner and sprays... Oh wait that already exits... It is called the cl_allowdownloads cvar. Wouldn't this cvar disable the banner downloads, fast downloads, and any custom content that did not come with the default game and disable sprays also? Seems like people that let their kids play mature games and are concerned about them seeing that material should use that setting and monitor their children. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bass Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:42 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner They could get that with a nasty spray as well. Ook wrote: The liability issue is too great. Some bozo puts child p0rn in their banner, and Valve finds themselves in court. I have an 8 year old and a 10 year old that play on my server all the time, and sometimes play on other servers. I don't need them joining a server and having some xxx banner in their face. Too many children play Half-Life, and all it took was some bozo with an obscene logo to get Valve to take the feature away. It will never be given back to us. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner I've brought this up before, Alfred even took steps to see WHY the banners weren't working. Then he remembered that they had been taken out of the engine, and I'm sure commented that they would not be coming back. Why they were taken out, I'm not sure, they were a nice feature, better to have something there than a boring loading screen during maploads. Really Valve, give us these back, they're no worse than having in game sprays etc, what harm could they possibly do? Steve! www.timerider.co.uk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
Whether or not kids play the game isn't the issue. Valve turned off banners because people were using inappropriate content. The inappropriate content was offensive to adults, and went far beyond what one could reasonably expect to find in a game rated M for mature. They may one day do something about sprays in game, but the usage of offensive sprays hasn't become enough of a problem for them to do anything about them. yet. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL1 banner Yes but what is the esrb rating on most hl1 games? You guessed it... Rated M for mature. It is not valve's job to enforce the M rating on the game. It is the job of the retailers to not sell the game to minors and then the job of the parents to monitor what their children consume. You can't argue that it should be taken down because an 8 year old could see a banner. You could maybe argue that a porno banner because it actually appeared to come from valve leads them to disable it to reduce their liability. But then could not also a spray in game appear to come from valve, because you see it in game? I suppose valve should have never brought hl1 and hl2 to market because an 8 year old could accidently see it, if we were to use your they don't need to joining to see that in their face argument. If people want to let their kids play mature games then they should merely make a setting that would disable the banner and sprays... Oh wait that already exits... It is called the cl_allowdownloads cvar. Wouldn't this cvar disable the banner downloads, fast downloads, and any custom content that did not come with the default game and disable sprays also? Seems like people that let their kids play mature games and are concerned about them seeing that material should use that setting and monitor their children. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bass Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:42 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner They could get that with a nasty spray as well. Ook wrote: The liability issue is too great. Some bozo puts child p0rn in their banner, and Valve finds themselves in court. I have an 8 year old and a 10 year old that play on my server all the time, and sometimes play on other servers. I don't need them joining a server and having some xxx banner in their face. Too many children play Half-Life, and all it took was some bozo with an obscene logo to get Valve to take the feature away. It will never be given back to us. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner I've brought this up before, Alfred even took steps to see WHY the banners weren't working. Then he remembered that they had been taken out of the engine, and I'm sure commented that they would not be coming back. Why they were taken out, I'm not sure, they were a nice feature, better to have something there than a boring loading screen during maploads. Really Valve, give us these back, they're no worse than having in game sprays etc, what harm could they possibly do? Steve! www.timerider.co.uk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL1 banner
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] An 8 10 year old. You are a total loser for letting your children play a game that is rated for teens and when in public servers they can hear the worst type of people say the worst things. plus in most hl1 mods the hipp thing to do is humiliate others. what are you fucking thinking ? people like you should be talking to child protective services. I'm an adult and i'll admit i have a mouth like a dock worker but i would never subject my children to what goes on in public gaming servers.YOU ='s a horrible parent. let the flame begin!!i said what i had to and i wont respond further. ---Original Message--- From: Chris Bass Date: 11/09/06 18:45:40 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner They could get that with a nasty spray as well. Ook wrote: The liability issue is too great. Some bozo puts child p0rn in their banner, and Valve finds themselves in court. I have an 8 year old and a 10 year old that play on my server all the time, and sometimes play on other servers. I don't need them joining a server and having some xxx banner in their face. Too many children play Half-Life, and all it took was some bozo with an obscene logo to get Valve to take the feature away. It will never be given back to us. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL1 banner I've brought this up before, Alfred even took steps to see WHY the banners weren't working. Then he remembered that they had been taken out of the engine, and I'm sure commented that they would not be coming back. Why they were taken out, I'm not sure, they were a nice feature, better to have something there than a boring loading screen during maploads. Really Valve, give us these back, they're no worse than having in game sprays etc, what harm could they possibly do? Steve! www.timerider.co.uk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
