Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
No problem. Configure your server to just first move AFK players to spectator and then kick only if the server is full (reserved slots not included). This is good both for the AFK player, your servers player count and the score will not be affected since if your server is full you will receive plenty of score anyway. Next. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:41 PM, wrote: > You also don't want to spend this amount of time trying to second-guess the > system. In the simple case, there's no way in hell kicking someone for > being afk is going to push your server into the > very-high-connections-very-low-playing-time zone that they used to identify > player-hostile servers. In the complex case, _NOT_ kicking afk players will > have a larger effect on the rest of your community that leaving them around > ever could. > > Imo people's energies would be better focused focusing on their community > and setting aside paranoia about the unfeasibly unlikely possibility of a > normal server being caught out by this until it actually happens. > >> -Original Message- >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- >> boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Guy Watkins >> Sent: 14 March 2009 21:26 >> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting >> >> } -Original Message- >> } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- >> } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rak >> } Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:10 AM >> } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com >> } Subject: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting >> } >> } >> } D) Does getting kicked/banned from a server effect it's position? >> There >> } are a number of server plugins that kick players shortly after they >> } connect for various reasons, (ex: Steambans, Sourcebans, various >> other >> } banning plugins). Are servers going to be negatively effected >> because >> } they kick bad clients? >> } >> } - Brian "devicenull" Rak >> >> You also don't want an AFK kicker! >> Maybe just move these players to spec and mute them. Then kick them >> after >> 45 minutes. Unless your server is full. Need a plugin that works with >> delisting in mind. >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
You also don't want to spend this amount of time trying to second-guess the system. In the simple case, there's no way in hell kicking someone for being afk is going to push your server into the very-high-connections-very-low-playing-time zone that they used to identify player-hostile servers. In the complex case, _NOT_ kicking afk players will have a larger effect on the rest of your community that leaving them around ever could. Imo people's energies would be better focused focusing on their community and setting aside paranoia about the unfeasibly unlikely possibility of a normal server being caught out by this until it actually happens. > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- > boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Guy Watkins > Sent: 14 March 2009 21:26 > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting > > } -Original Message- > } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- > } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rak > } Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:10 AM > } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > } Subject: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting > } > } > } D) Does getting kicked/banned from a server effect it's position? > There > } are a number of server plugins that kick players shortly after they > } connect for various reasons, (ex: Steambans, Sourcebans, various > other > } banning plugins). Are servers going to be negatively effected > because > } they kick bad clients? > } > } - Brian "devicenull" Rak > > You also don't want an AFK kicker! > Maybe just move these players to spec and mute them. Then kick them > after > 45 minutes. Unless your server is full. Need a plugin that works with > delisting in mind. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
} -Original Message- } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rak } Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:10 AM } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Subject: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting } } } D) Does getting kicked/banned from a server effect it's position? There } are a number of server plugins that kick players shortly after they } connect for various reasons, (ex: Steambans, Sourcebans, various other } banning plugins). Are servers going to be negatively effected because } they kick bad clients? } } - Brian "devicenull" Rak You also don't want an AFK kicker! Maybe just move these players to spec and mute them. Then kick them after 45 minutes. Unless your server is full. Need a plugin that works with delisting in mind. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
It works fine for me. Eight servers, six of which are full pretty much 24/7 and nobody with a reserved slot has a problem using the console to connect and remembering the IP they want to connect to. If they can't remember the IP they grab it off of the "View server info" for the server in their favorites or use the corresponding hostname. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of valve list Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:09 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Ok. Some of you really doesnt have more than just one server... We have 7 servers that are full every day, 200 slots in total. That doesnt come cheap to have, so our community helps by donating money, we give them VIP slots in exchange. Using connect command you would have to everytime search for 8 different server IP, port combination... 8 different keys to remeber all the different servers? Putting 8 servers in main game menu. Thats bullshit and you guys know that. Give me any other option and I will hide the slots. Its like 10 times easier just to connect to the server and you are instantly in. And if you do not know any other arguments, stop talking shit that reserved slots are a bad thing! Reserved slots are the reason the lets us have that many servers in the first place. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, ics wrote: > So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! > I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > these kind of servers anymore. > > -ics > > valve list kirjoitti: > > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot > > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" > command. > > > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console > > is... > > > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
You guys that are all bitching about the scoring system have to realize a few things. 1.) Valve is not going to release the server scores. 2.) Unless your server is the worst of the worst of the worst (fakeclients in all slots, redirect server, etc) you're probably not going to get delisted. Most of the people that run these servers do not purchase them through GSP's (Game Server Providers.) They either run them on their own box or from home, because you don't need a huge pipe to run a shit server with redirection. Sure, you can change your IP and maybe last a few hours on each IP change before your server gets blacklisted again, but that's the point of it. 3.) I'm assuming they'll have a contact that can "unblacklist" IP's, especially if it's hosted at a major GSP. To be honest, GSP's should have more than enough IP addresses, so even if one does get blacklisted it would be fairly easy to use a different IP address, or for them to use it for an entirely different game (non TF2 or non-source, even.) If you're a GSP and don't have extra IP's laying about, what are you doing running a GSP? 4.) I'm also assuming that after a certain period of time the "scores" reset if the server hasn't been active. Thus if it's shut down the IP will eventually free itself up from the database. So quit your crying and whining because if you're running any type of legit server this isn't going to affect you in the least bit. If they didn't say it on the mailing list none of you would have even noticed. -Cc2iscooL On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Donnie Newlove wrote: > Sure, reserved slots is a good thing. It's just you that are just too > ignorant to be able to manage its power. > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:09 PM, valve list wrote: > > Ok. Some of you really doesnt have more than just one server... We have 7 > > servers that are full every day, 200 slots in total. That doesnt come > cheap > > to have, so our community helps by donating money, we give them VIP slots > in > > exchange. > > > > Using connect command you would have to everytime search for 8 different > > server IP, port combination... 8 different keys to remeber all the > different > > servers? Putting 8 servers in main game menu. Thats bullshit and you guys > > know that. Give me any other option and I will hide the slots. Its like > 10 > > times easier just to connect to the server and you are instantly in. > > > > And if you do not know any other arguments, stop talking shit that > reserved > > slots are a bad thing! Reserved slots are the reason the lets us have > that > > many servers in the first place. > > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, ics wrote: > > > >> So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > >> slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > >> it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! > >> I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > >> these kind of servers anymore. > >> > >> -ics > >> > >> valve list kirjoitti: > >> > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved > slot > >> > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > >> > > >> > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" > >> command. > >> > > >> > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a > Console > >> > is... > >> > > >> > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > >> > ___ > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
Sure, reserved slots is a good thing. It's just you that are just too ignorant to be able to manage its power. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:09 PM, valve list wrote: > Ok. Some of you really doesnt have more than just one server... We have 7 > servers that are full every day, 200 slots in total. That doesnt come cheap > to have, so our community helps by donating money, we give them VIP slots in > exchange. > > Using connect command you would have to everytime search for 8 different > server IP, port combination... 8 different keys to remeber all the different > servers? Putting 8 servers in main game menu. Thats bullshit and you guys > know that. Give me any other option and I will hide the slots. Its like 10 > times easier just to connect to the server and you are instantly in. > > And if you do not know any other arguments, stop talking shit that reserved > slots are a bad thing! Reserved slots are the reason the lets us have that > many servers in the first place. > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, ics wrote: > >> So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 >> slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to >> it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! >> I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see >> these kind of servers anymore. >> >> -ics >> >> valve list kirjoitti: >> > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot >> > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. >> > >> > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" >> command. >> > >> > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console >> > is... >> > >> > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
We do it, works just fine, no one complains, and the non-reserved slot users love the system aswell. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of valve list Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:09 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Ok. Some of you really doesnt have more than just one server... We have 7 servers that are full every day, 200 slots in total. That doesnt come cheap to have, so our community helps by donating money, we give them VIP slots in exchange. Using connect command you would have to everytime search for 8 different server IP, port combination... 8 different keys to remeber all the different servers? Putting 8 servers in main game menu. Thats bullshit and you guys know that. Give me any other option and I will hide the slots. Its like 10 times easier just to connect to the server and you are instantly in. And if you do not know any other arguments, stop talking shit that reserved slots are a bad thing! Reserved slots are the reason the lets us have that many servers in the first place. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, ics wrote: > So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! > I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > these kind of servers anymore. > > -ics > > valve list kirjoitti: > > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot > > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" > command. > > > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console > > is... > > > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
We do it, works just fine, no one complains, and the non-reserved slot users love the system aswell. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of valve list Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:09 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Ok. Some of you really doesnt have more than just one server... We have 7 servers that are full every day, 200 slots in total. That doesnt come cheap to have, so our community helps by donating money, we give them VIP slots in exchange. Using connect command you would have to everytime search for 8 different server IP, port combination... 8 different keys to remeber all the different servers? Putting 8 servers in main game menu. Thats bullshit and you guys know that. Give me any other option and I will hide the slots. Its like 10 times easier just to connect to the server and you are instantly in. And if you do not know any other arguments, stop talking shit that reserved slots are a bad thing! Reserved slots are the reason the lets us have that many servers in the first place. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, ics wrote: > So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! > I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > these kind of servers anymore. > > -ics > > valve list kirjoitti: > > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot > > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" > command. > > > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console > > is... > > > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
Ok. Some of you really doesnt have more than just one server... We have 7 servers that are full every day, 200 slots in total. That doesnt come cheap to have, so our community helps by donating money, we give them VIP slots in exchange. Using connect command you would have to everytime search for 8 different server IP, port combination... 8 different keys to remeber all the different servers? Putting 8 servers in main game menu. Thats bullshit and you guys know that. Give me any other option and I will hide the slots. Its like 10 times easier just to connect to the server and you are instantly in. And if you do not know any other arguments, stop talking shit that reserved slots are a bad thing! Reserved slots are the reason the lets us have that many servers in the first place. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM, ics wrote: > So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! > I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > these kind of servers anymore. > > -ics > > valve list kirjoitti: > > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot > > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" > command. > > > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console > > is... > > > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
I agree, Eric's solution is fine. The other where it stays open at all times is not. -ics Eric Riemers kirjoitti: > 1 hidden slot.. i really dont see any issues with that sollution. > > i never had complaints about people getting kicked because of this, > sourcemod handles it just fine. When its 25/24 and someone leaves (out of > their own free will its 24/24 again, and a reserved person can comein, or > if someone else leaves its 23/24 and a pub person can join. > > reserved people also know that when its 24/24 they should use "connect" via > the console. > > No kicking involved. > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:31:45 +0100, Donnie Newlove > wrote: > >> Of course, but that is not how those servers work. If they did then it >> would be all fine and dandy. >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Carl wrote: >> >>> The only good way in my opinion would be to have some sort of hybrid: >>> Hide the reserved slots, but kick any one who joins via command line. >>> That way the server at least makes an attempt to warn the user it it >>> full, but also enforces the reserved slot >>> >>> >>> Donnie Newlove wrote: >>> 1. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Find out there’s just 2 guys there. Disconnect. 2. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Kicked. 3. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Play for 5 minutes. >> Kicked. >> Which one is your favourite? They are all just as bad in my opinion, also hoping for a delisting, it’s the only way the will ever bother >> to >> fix their faulty servers. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ics wrote: > So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect > >> ip:port! >> > I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > these kind of servers anymore. > > -ics > > valve list kirjoitti: > > >> Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved >> >> slot >> >> plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. >> >> The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" >> >> command. >> >> Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a >> >> Console >> >> is... >> >> Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >> archives, please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
Again, that is just what everyone is saying. If your server works like that then great, it could not be any better. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Eric Riemers wrote: > 1 hidden slot.. i really dont see any issues with that sollution. > > i never had complaints about people getting kicked because of this, > sourcemod handles it just fine. When its 25/24 and someone leaves (out of > their own free will its 24/24 again, and a reserved person can comein, or > if someone else leaves its 23/24 and a pub person can join. > > reserved people also know that when its 24/24 they should use "connect" via > the console. > > No kicking involved. > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:31:45 +0100, Donnie Newlove > wrote: >> Of course, but that is not how those servers work. If they did then it >> would be all fine and dandy. >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Carl wrote: >>> The only good way in my opinion would be to have some sort of hybrid: >>> Hide the reserved slots, but kick any one who joins via command line. >>> That way the server at least makes an attempt to warn the user it it >>> full, but also enforces the reserved slot >>> >>> >>> Donnie Newlove wrote: 1. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Find out there’s just 2 guys there. Disconnect. 2. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Kicked. 3. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Play for 5 minutes. >> Kicked. Which one is your favourite? They are all just as bad in my opinion, also hoping for a delisting, it’s the only way the will ever bother >> to fix their faulty servers. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ics wrote: > So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect >> ip:port! > I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > these kind of servers anymore. > > -ics > > valve list kirjoitti: > >> Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved >> slot >> plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. >> >> The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" >> command. >> >> Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a >> Console >> is... >> >> Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
1 hidden slot.. i really dont see any issues with that sollution. i never had complaints about people getting kicked because of this, sourcemod handles it just fine. When its 25/24 and someone leaves (out of their own free will its 24/24 again, and a reserved person can comein, or if someone else leaves its 23/24 and a pub person can join. reserved people also know that when its 24/24 they should use "connect" via the console. No kicking involved. On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:31:45 +0100, Donnie Newlove wrote: > Of course, but that is not how those servers work. If they did then it > would be all fine and dandy. > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Carl wrote: >> The only good way in my opinion would be to have some sort of hybrid: >> Hide the reserved slots, but kick any one who joins via command line. >> That way the server at least makes an attempt to warn the user it it >> full, but also enforces the reserved slot >> >> >> Donnie Newlove wrote: >>> 1. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Find out there’s >>> just 2 guys there. Disconnect. >>> 2. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Kicked. >>> 3. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Play for 5 minutes. > Kicked. >>> >>> Which one is your favourite? They are all just as bad in my opinion, >>> also hoping for a delisting, it’s the only way the will ever bother > to >>> fix their faulty servers. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ics wrote: >>> So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect > ip:port! I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see these kind of servers anymore. -ics valve list kirjoitti: > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved > slot > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" > command. > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a > Console > is... > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
Of course, but that is not how those servers work. If they did then it would be all fine and dandy. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Carl wrote: > The only good way in my opinion would be to have some sort of hybrid: > Hide the reserved slots, but kick any one who joins via command line. > That way the server at least makes an attempt to warn the user it it > full, but also enforces the reserved slot > > > Donnie Newlove wrote: >> 1. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Find out there’s >> just 2 guys there. Disconnect. >> 2. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Kicked. >> 3. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Play for 5 minutes. >> Kicked. >> >> Which one is your favourite? They are all just as bad in my opinion, >> also hoping for a delisting, it’s the only way the will ever bother to >> fix their faulty servers. >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ics wrote: >> >>> So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 >>> slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to >>> it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! >>> I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see >>> these kind of servers anymore. >>> >>> -ics >>> >>> valve list kirjoitti: >>> Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" command. Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console is... Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
The only good way in my opinion would be to have some sort of hybrid: Hide the reserved slots, but kick any one who joins via command line. That way the server at least makes an attempt to warn the user it it full, but also enforces the reserved slot Donnie Newlove wrote: > 1. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Find out there’s > just 2 guys there. Disconnect. > 2. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Kicked. > 3. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Play for 5 minutes. > Kicked. > > Which one is your favourite? They are all just as bad in my opinion, > also hoping for a delisting, it’s the only way the will ever bother to > fix their faulty servers. > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ics wrote: > >> So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 >> slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to >> it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! >> I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see >> these kind of servers anymore. >> >> -ics >> >> valve list kirjoitti: >> >>> Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot >>> plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. >>> >>> The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" command. >>> >>> Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console >>> is... >>> >>> Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
1. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Find out there’s just 2 guys there. Disconnect. 2. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Kicked. 3. Connecting to a 23/24 server. Wait for 1 minute. Play for 5 minutes. Kicked. Which one is your favourite? They are all just as bad in my opinion, also hoping for a delisting, it’s the only way the will ever bother to fix their faulty servers. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ics wrote: > So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 > slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to > it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! > I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see > these kind of servers anymore. > > -ics > > valve list kirjoitti: >> Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot >> plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. >> >> The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" command. >> >> Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console >> is... >> >> Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
So you are one of the morons who has a server for example running 32 slots where 1 of them is reserved slot and every user who connects to it, will be kicked. Mask it! Teach your players to use connect ip:port! I really hope Valve implements the point system so i dont have to see these kind of servers anymore. -ics valve list kirjoitti: > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" command. > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console > is... > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
Then tell your customers to add "bind F12 connect 123.123.123.123:27015" to their autoexec.cfg file or make an installer that does it for them if they are completely clueless. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, valve list wrote: >> >> Fix your reserved slots so their hidden, and everybody is happy. See >> how easy that is? >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" command. > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console > is... > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
You have to teach your players which use hidden slots. Try it, it works fine for us. Even CS players are able to handle hidden slots. > > >> Fix your reserved slots so their hidden, and everybody is happy. See >> how easy that is? >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot > plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. > > The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" command. > > Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console > is... > > Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting
> > Fix your reserved slots so their hidden, and everybody is happy. See > how easy that is? > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > Hidden slots are not an options for huge communities with reserved slot plugins, with loads of users using VIP slots. The only way you can connect to a hidden slot is to use "connect" command. Ussually like 80% percent of those users even do not know what a Console is... Having hidden reserved slots, defeats having reserved slots at all. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
