Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
Whare can i get this plugin i did not see it on amx's site - Original Message - From: Daniel Stroven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve VAC does the best it can. CD works, but to many people won't use it. UGS gives the choice of VAC or CD for its matchs. You must have one or the other. For a pub you need the VAC and good admins. What I use lately has worked great for catching cheaters. If one of my admins suspects someone is cheating, they use the amx plugin, amx_invis. If the suspected player see's you, then he probably is cheating. It has been very effective for me so far. ..as an example. A player by the name Pulse joined the server. It appeared he was cheating. At the start of the round, I did amx_invis on myself and rushed to where that player kepts coming from. I come around the corner and its just me and that player. He follows my movement as if I were completely visable to him and he headshot me. (i was walking to avoid noise when I reached his area) On the next round, I tell him he has been caught cheating, and that I was invisible to all non-cheating players on the server...which he replies, you looked normal to me. Now a couple other players were not convinced, because they didn't see what happened. So I said as proof, I will knife out the entire enemy team to prove that a non-cheating player might see something shimmer like the predator, but would not see me clearly and that for all basic purpose..i was invisible completely. So I knifed the entire team, even goofing around standing among several of the opposite team. Players realized there was no way for me to look normal to the player Pulse, and realized he in fact was cheating. Now, this works great UNLESS, someone out there knows how a non-cheating client would see someone invisible as if he was visible. Otherwise it works great for me, since their is no echo of the admin running the command, a cheater does not get any advanced notice that you have turned yourself invisible. If no one can show an invisible player looking normal to a non-cheater, then as an admin tool, I would have to say this one has been one of the most helpful I have ever used. - Original Message - From: lastshooter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve Now, you might have other reasons to complain, but if your server is overrun by cheaters you only have your own lazy ass to blame, the tools for cheatprevention has been there for you all the time. Excuse me? I ran CD long before VAC, it has one big problem, its a required dl and install. In fact, I know of no leagues that require it, NONE. VAC does seem to work imho, the CS cheats show up as soon as an update is out. The TFC community has dropped badly, and I also suspect that the amount of CS servers that run CD is low percentage wise. So, keep your head stuck in the sand and pretend all is well. Until an effective wide spread anti-cheat is used, as in VAC, your community will continue to decline. TFC has had no updates, VAC or otherwise in a long,long time, all valve ever does is spout meaningless promise's. Frankly, I've had it, and so have a lot of other people. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
amx_invis http://amxmod.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9100highlight=amxinvis works great in my opinion but I try to keep it low key. - Original Message - From: hondaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve What plugin do you use to make yourself invisible? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Stroven Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve VAC does the best it can. CD works, but to many people won't use it. UGS gives the choice of VAC or CD for its matchs. You must have one or the other. For a pub you need the VAC and good admins. What I use lately has worked great for catching cheaters. If one of my admins suspects someone is cheating, they use the amx plugin, amx_invis. If the suspected player see's you, then he probably is cheating. It has been very effective for me so far. ..as an example. A player by the name Pulse joined the server. It appeared he was cheating. At the start of the round, I did amx_invis on myself and rushed to where that player kepts coming from. I come around the corner and its just me and that player. He follows my movement as if I were completely visable to him and he headshot me. (i was walking to avoid noise when I reached his area) On the next round, I tell him he has been caught cheating, and that I was invisible to all non-cheating players on the server...which he replies, you looked normal to me. Now a couple other players were not convinced, because they didn't see what happened. So I said as proof, I will knife out the entire enemy team to prove that a non-cheating player might see something shimmer like the predator, but would not see me clearly and that for all basic purpose..i was invisible completely. So I knifed the entire team, even goofing around standing among several of the opposite team. Players realized there was no way for me to look normal to the player Pulse, and realized he in fact was cheating. Now, this works great UNLESS, someone out there knows how a non-cheating client would see someone invisible as if he was visible. Otherwise it works great for me, since their is no echo of the admin running the command, a cheater does not get any advanced notice that you have turned yourself invisible. If no one can show an invisible player looking normal to a non-cheater, then as an admin tool, I would have to say this one has been one of the most helpful I have ever used. - Original Message - From: lastshooter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve Now, you might have other reasons to complain, but if your server is overrun by cheaters you only have your own lazy ass to blame, the tools for cheatprevention has been there for you all the time. Excuse me? I ran CD long before VAC, it has one big problem, its a required dl and install. In fact, I know of no leagues that require it, NONE. VAC does seem to work imho, the CS cheats show up as soon as an update is out. The TFC community has dropped badly, and I also suspect that the amount of CS servers that run CD is low percentage wise. So, keep your head stuck in the sand and pretend all is well. Until an effective wide spread anti-cheat is used, as in VAC, your community will continue to decline. TFC has had no updates, VAC or otherwise in a long,long time, all valve ever does is spout meaningless promise's. Frankly, I've had it, and so have a lot of other people. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, lastshooter wrote: Now, you might have other reasons to complain, but if your server is overrun by cheaters you only have your own lazy ass to blame, the tools for cheatprevention has been there for you all the time. Excuse me? I ran CD long before VAC, it has one big problem, its a required dl and install. Well, i blame all the 3rd party server/client anticheat programs that came after punkbuster. punkbuster was accepted due to it was the only one (almost). after PB decided to give up on HL, there came a huge amount of others that tried todo the same. thats when users stopped believe in downloading AC-clients. In fact, I know of no leagues that require it, NONE. VAC does seem to work imho, the CS cheats show up as soon as an update is out. No big league should depend on any AC. not even VAC. Frankly, I've had it, and so have a lot of other people. Well, at least the the glass is getting really filled up. There are 2 things that i want valve to do.. 1. Get a lower CPU usage on HLDS 2. Get as low latency as possible I would rather see them stop working on cs1.6 and getting these things fixed first.. /Bjorn -- Your mouse has moved. Please restart Windows for the change to take effect. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
--- hondaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What plugin do you use to make yourself invisible? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Stroven Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve VAC does the best it can. CD works, but to many people won't use it. UGS gives the choice of VAC or CD for its matchs. You must have one or the other. For a pub you need the VAC and good admins. What I use lately has worked great for catching cheaters. If one of my admins suspects someone is cheating, they use the amx plugin, amx_invis. If the suspected player see's you, then he probably is cheating. It has been very effective for me so far. ..as an example. A player by the name Pulse joined the server. It appeared he was cheating. At the start of the round, I did amx_invis on myself and rushed to where that player kepts coming from. I come around the corner and its just me and that player. He follows my movement as if I were completely visable to him and he headshot me. (i was walking to avoid noise when I reached his area) On the next round, I tell him he has been caught cheating, and that I was invisible to all non-cheating players on the server...which he replies, you looked normal to me. Now a couple other players were not convinced, because they didn't see what happened. So I said as proof, I will knife out the entire enemy team to prove that a non-cheating player might see something shimmer like the predator, but would not see me clearly and that for all basic purpose..i was invisible completely. So I knifed the entire team, even goofing around standing among several of the opposite team. Players realized there was no way for me to look normal to the player Pulse, and realized he in fact was cheating. Now, this works great UNLESS, someone out there knows how a non-cheating client would see someone invisible as if he was visible. Otherwise it works great for me, since their is no echo of the admin running the command, a cheater does not get any advanced notice that you have turned yourself invisible. If no one can show an invisible player looking normal to a non-cheater, then as an admin tool, I would have to say this one has been one of the most helpful I have ever used. A quick search of amx forums for amx_invis returns the info you need. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 02:28:12PM -0400, Daniel Stroven wrote: amx_invis http://amxmod.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9100highlight=amxinvis works great in my opinion but I try to keep it low key. Does it work on 1.6? A few of the amx plugins I had working mint in 1.5 don't work as they did in 1.6. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
rant I've been saying this (mostly to myself) for the past four years or so. Valve is trying to prepare a 500 course meal all at once and everything is starting to taste like shit. Rather than focus on one thing at a time, they're working on eleven bajillion things at once. It's getting annoying but unfortunately most people, including me, find their selves hooked on a mod (tfc, cs, etc...) and can't do anything besides sit through all this garbage. I know Valve would be hard pressed to give a fuck, but they need to go back to the drawing board with their development process. I can't think of one good thing that has come to TFC in the past four years. I can however come up with several that have made the game a pile of feces (net code, removing exec and killing file scans [hlguard], the fact that it takes a quad xeon with 4GB of ram to run a 4 player server in Linux, VAC, etc...). With all the incredibly talented people they employ, Valve ceases to amaze me when it comes to fucking things up. I dread updates to hlds or tfc because they always seem to redefine horrible. I'm not looking forward to HL2 primarily because if it's been created by the same people who have literally destroyed a game I USED to love, I can only expect to be disappointed. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't hate Valve. Considering this game is what, 5 years old now and they STILL support it and update it, that's quite remarkable and I believe everyone appreciates their dedication. However, I wish they would get a LOT more feedback from the community that puts dollars in their pockets before they decide to update anything. Whatever, I'm just angry. /rant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lastshooter Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve Now, you might have other reasons to complain, but if your server is overrun by cheaters you only have your own lazy ass to blame, the tools for cheatprevention has been there for you all the time. Excuse me? I ran CD long before VAC, it has one big problem, its a required dl and install. In fact, I know of no leagues that require it, NONE. VAC does seem to work imho, the CS cheats show up as soon as an update is out. The TFC community has dropped badly, and I also suspect that the amount of CS servers that run CD is low percentage wise. So, keep your head stuck in the sand and pretend all is well. Until an effective wide spread anti-cheat is used, as in VAC, your community will continue to decline. TFC has had no updates, VAC or otherwise in a long,long time, all valve ever does is spout meaningless promise's. Frankly, I've had it, and so have a lot of other people. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
James Clark wrote: Does it work on 1.6? A few of the amx plugins I had working mint in 1.5 don't work as they did in 1.6. The only AMX plugs that I have that don't work 100% are anything that has to do w/ WONID's, like kicking or banning. You can still do some of this, but a few of the plugins that do it automatically can't. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and others well said and I see tha you get what I aam trying to say! And I do not hate Valve either! I started with TFC and then went to CS. It has been a fun venture over all. It is just that the frustration level builds and builds, until a server op has to vent or go crazy :) And yes I have ran all the third party anti's, geez Stefan Huszic's do you think I have just buried my head in the sand and come to the conclusions the cheaters have won without trying everything out there? Come on! Go to any of the CHEATER Sites and they proudly display what is VAC or CD Proof. Nothing is 100% and each and every anti out there has its own plus and minus features. I for one would love to see PB return or VAC and CD work together. HLG appears to me to have lost its edge. And I agree Valve appears to have its hand in way to many projects, thus stumbling! Focus focus focus Valve...lol... I am not a software writer so I have to put my faith in Valve, and I would rush out and purchase CS again and again if Valve would solve the CHEATER Problem because my friends and I are long time CS Players who really love this game! We want to see CS and TFC survive, we really do! Scum ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Well, after three years, playing TFC, I've ran across two servers that ran CD, and 1/3 rd is a low percentage in my book. If all is well in CS, then why are peeps like you always crying about the hacks. One thing I can say is, I've never played CS, and never will, so much for checking facts, I could care less, my concerns are with TFC. CD is not the solution for TFC or CS, unless integrated with hlds_l. As for running a server with out a anti-cheat, I say again, I sold it. No mas. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
lastshooter wrote: I also suspect that the amount of CS servers that run CD is low percentage wise. So, keep your head stuck in the sand and pretend all is well. Until an effective wide spread anti-cheat is used, as in VAC, your community will continue to decline. Now, if instead of making an ass of yourself by assuming you would have actually checked, you would know that about 1/3 (8000+) of CS servers wordwide are running with CD *inspite* having access to VAC. If you add that up with how much less convenient it is both for admins as well as players I'm sure you can figure out just how much better it is at actually stopping cheats. So if you are running a mod with no VAC and are *still* not using CD, then it's probably not me that has my head in the sand now is it... -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] An ask to Valve
Daniel Stroven wrote: If one of my admins suspects someone is cheating, they use the amx plugin, amx_invis. That is truely an interesting way to catch a cheater with aimbot at least. HS on an invis player sure is being caught with your hand in the cookie jar :D -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
