Re: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
Hey Guys, Thanks to everyone for their comments so far. From what I gather it just seems pretty risky to move to either a dual Xeon or dual Opteron system based on what you guys are saying. There are just so many factors that have to be considered, and I appreciate all the input so far. I did come across the article where Valve commented on the 30% increase in HLDS performance on the Opteron clock-for-clock, but ultimately there hasn't been any real benchmarks released that support these claims. Even a hint of what kind of setup they used, hardware, distro, kernel, and similar things would definitely prove useful to people such as ourselves. In fact, I do wonder what Valve goes through in its internal testing department - I'm sure there has to be a certain combination that they're using that just runs things better, right? We're still going to carefully consider whether we'll make the Xeon or Opteron purchase... But if in the end it proves that spending that extra cash on Winblows is going to give us better performance then maybe that option is worth considering as well. I do have my gripes on Steam (my PC's Steam just went bust), but when it comes down to the crunch I'm just really looking to know what combination of hardware, and OS setup would give me the best bang for the buck when running a CS server. Thanks once again people! Regards, Christopher Choo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fragnetics http://www.fragnetics.com - Original Message - From: "Kevin J. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:38 AM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison > > > ->-Original Message- > ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > ->dual_bereta_r0x > ->Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:09 PM > ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison > -> > -> > ->Kevin J. Anderson wrote: > ->> who knows. Valve were pretty clear about getting awesome performance > ->> differences on them before, the only reason I think that. > -> > ->The really amazing thing is VALVe ever have awesome performance > ->differences, while we have bullshit performance on our day-by-day basis. > -> > > Yep, that is the truth. It makes you wonder, really. Then again, I really > think it has a lot to do with different versions of different libraries, > glibc, and so on between different distros and versions of said distros > Its honestly one of the failures in linux, when you want a performance > intensive, closed source app to run the same across all these different > libraries etc, its just hard I would imagine? or am I incorrect in that > regard, which I may well be, considering I am NOT a programer in any > respect... > > kev > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ->dual_bereta_r0x ->Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:09 PM ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison -> -> ->Kevin J. Anderson wrote: ->> who knows. Valve were pretty clear about getting awesome performance ->> differences on them before, the only reason I think that. -> ->The really amazing thing is VALVe ever have awesome performance ->differences, while we have bullshit performance on our day-by-day basis. -> Yep, that is the truth. It makes you wonder, really. Then again, I really think it has a lot to do with different versions of different libraries, glibc, and so on between different distros and versions of said distros Its honestly one of the failures in linux, when you want a performance intensive, closed source app to run the same across all these different libraries etc, its just hard I would imagine? or am I incorrect in that regard, which I may well be, considering I am NOT a programer in any respect... kev ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
Kevin J. Anderson wrote: who knows. Valve were pretty clear about getting awesome performance differences on them before, the only reason I think that. The really amazing thing is VALVe ever have awesome performance differences, while we have bullshit performance on our day-by-day basis. -- dual_bereta_r0x -- Alexandre Hautequest ArenaNetwork Lan House & Cyber -- www.arenanetwork.com.br ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
yeah, I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I would imagine there is a good possibility that the amd64 support is so new, and everyone seems to be doing their own thing, that performance may vary between distros possibly... who knows. Valve were pretty clear about getting awesome performance differences on them before, the only reason I think that. kev ->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hondaman ->Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:44 PM ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison -> -> ->No, not using suse, wasn't interested in paying 450 bux for the amd64 ->version. I am using Mandrake 9.2 rc1 64 bit :( -> ->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin J. ->Anderson ->Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:15 PM ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison -> ->thats interesting, what OS are you using? same suse as they are? -> ->kev -> ->->-Original Message- ->->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hondaman ->->Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:51 PM ->->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison ->-> ->-> ->->We have a dual 240 running right now. When compared to our older box, ->->a mp2000, I can tell you that initial performance numbers are pretty ->->disappointing. Valve claims up to 30% increase in performance, but I ->->haven't seen that yet. A 20 player server on Aztec still spikes to ->->80%, and this is with no metamod/amx/adminmod/hlguard/ect. That ->->brings me to another ->->problem: 64 bit support. There is none for any of the plugins. ->->Which really makes for a useless CS server ->-> ->->hondaman ->->www.hardgaming.com ->-> ->-> ->->-----Original Message- ->->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt H. ->->Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:04 AM ->->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison ->-> ->->It's been shown that hlds runs better on AMD processors. I would go ->->for the Opteron its a 64/32bit processor . Even though the clock speed ->->is lower its still a faster processor ie since its 64 bit and yadda ->->yadda yadda. ->-> ->->Matt H. ->-> ->->On Tuesday 18 November 2003 08:44 am, Christopher Choo wrote: ->->> Hi Guys, ->->> ->->> We're thinking of replacing our current Pentium 4 2.66GHz server ->->> with either ->-> a Dual Xeon 2.66GHz, or a dual AMD Opteron 240 (1.4GHz). I've been ->->> trying to search for reviews that have pit the low-end Opterons with ->->> the mid-range Xeons, but I've not been able to find anything useful. ->->> ->->> At present the cost of a dual Xeon server is very close to that of a ->->> low-end ->-> dual Opteron, and I'd just like to ask if anybody has had any ->->> success with running the 64-bit HLDS binaries. Which chip runs better? ->->> ->->> One little gripe would be that we're still running a few CS1.5 ->->> servers as well, but planning ahead and looking a little into the ->->> future we're seriously considering that the Opteron has something to ->->> offer in the long run. ->->> ->->> Anybody with real-world results that could help me to make a decision? ->->> ->->> Regards, ->->> ->->> Christopher Choo ->->> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->->> Fragnetics ->->> http://www.fragnetics.com ->->> ->->> ->->> ___ ->->> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list ->->> archives, please visit: ->-> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ->->> ->-> ->->___ ->->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, ->->please visit: ->->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ->-> ->-> ->-> ->-> ->->___ ->->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, ->->please visit: ->->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -> ->___ ->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, ->please visit: ->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -> -> -> -> ->___ ->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list ->archives, please visit: ->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
If you are going to be primarily running valve games on it (cs and say hl2 once it comes out) I would definately go with the opterons, as valve have posted info on how much better the opteron can run their 64bit binaries. The only thing in my mind, is the operating system's ability to run 64bit and 32bit apps at the same time, say any other game server that hasnt been ported yet. But, if you plan on running valve games on em primarily, there is no doubt in my mind. If not, I would still probably go with the opteron. kev ->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher ->Choo ->Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:45 AM ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Subject: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison -> -> ->Hi Guys, -> ->We're thinking of replacing our current Pentium 4 2.66GHz server ->with either ->a Dual Xeon 2.66GHz, or a dual AMD Opteron 240 (1.4GHz). I've ->been trying to ->search for reviews that have pit the low-end Opterons with the mid-range ->Xeons, but I've not been able to find anything useful. -> ->At present the cost of a dual Xeon server is very close to that ->of a low-end ->dual Opteron, and I'd just like to ask if anybody has had any success with ->running the 64-bit HLDS binaries. Which chip runs better? -> ->One little gripe would be that we're still running a few CS1.5 servers as ->well, but planning ahead and looking a little into the future we're ->seriously considering that the Opteron has something to offer in the long ->run. -> ->Anybody with real-world results that could help me to make a decision? -> ->Regards, -> ->Christopher Choo ->[EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Fragnetics ->http://www.fragnetics.com -> -> ->___ ->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list ->archives, please visit: ->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
We have a dual 240 running right now. When compared to our older box, a mp2000, I can tell you that initial performance numbers are pretty disappointing. Valve claims up to 30% increase in performance, but I haven't seen that yet. A 20 player server on Aztec still spikes to 80%, and this is with no metamod/amx/adminmod/hlguard/ect. That brings me to another problem: 64 bit support. There is none for any of the plugins. Which really makes for a useless CS server hondaman www.hardgaming.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt H. Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison It's been shown that hlds runs better on AMD processors. I would go for the Opteron its a 64/32bit processor . Even though the clock speed is lower its still a faster processor ie since its 64 bit and yadda yadda yadda. Matt H. On Tuesday 18 November 2003 08:44 am, Christopher Choo wrote: > Hi Guys, > > We're thinking of replacing our current Pentium 4 2.66GHz server with > either a Dual Xeon 2.66GHz, or a dual AMD Opteron 240 (1.4GHz). I've been > trying to search for reviews that have pit the low-end Opterons with > the mid-range Xeons, but I've not been able to find anything useful. > > At present the cost of a dual Xeon server is very close to that of a > low-end dual Opteron, and I'd just like to ask if anybody has had any > success with running the 64-bit HLDS binaries. Which chip runs better? > > One little gripe would be that we're still running a few CS1.5 servers > as well, but planning ahead and looking a little into the future we're > seriously considering that the Opteron has something to offer in the > long run. > > Anybody with real-world results that could help me to make a decision? > > Regards, > > Christopher Choo > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Fragnetics > http://www.fragnetics.com > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
Since CS1.6 we have really bad performance on our dual Xeon's. We can only host three 16Slot CS servers on a dual Xeon 2,66GHZ @533 HT / 2GB DDR PC266 / U320 SCSI. More than 50 players, the ping goes up, more than 60 players, lags on all servers [Kernel 2.6.0-test9]. Hope Alfred will do anything in the next time, to fix this. For Opteron cpu's, there are no 64bit plugin bins, I think. You better stay with your P4's (one of our P4 2,66GHz can handle two 16Slots CS Servers) - that's much better than the dual Xeons, but it is worse enough, cause it can handle many more slots mohaa (q3 engine). - Marco > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Choo > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison > > Hi Guys, > > We're thinking of replacing our current Pentium 4 2.66GHz server with > either > a Dual Xeon 2.66GHz, or a dual AMD Opteron 240 (1.4GHz). I've been trying > to > search for reviews that have pit the low-end Opterons with the mid-range > Xeons, but I've not been able to find anything useful. > > At present the cost of a dual Xeon server is very close to that of a low- > end > dual Opteron, and I'd just like to ask if anybody has had any success with > running the 64-bit HLDS binaries. Which chip runs better? > > One little gripe would be that we're still running a few CS1.5 servers as > well, but planning ahead and looking a little into the future we're > seriously considering that the Opteron has something to offer in the long > run. > > Anybody with real-world results that could help me to make a decision? > > Regards, > > Christopher Choo > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Fragnetics > http://www.fragnetics.com > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Opteron and Xeon Server Comparison
It's been shown that hlds runs better on AMD processors. I would go for the Opteron its a 64/32bit processor . Even though the clock speed is lower its still a faster processor ie since its 64 bit and yadda yadda yadda. Matt H. On Tuesday 18 November 2003 08:44 am, Christopher Choo wrote: > Hi Guys, > > We're thinking of replacing our current Pentium 4 2.66GHz server with > either a Dual Xeon 2.66GHz, or a dual AMD Opteron 240 (1.4GHz). I've been > trying to search for reviews that have pit the low-end Opterons with the > mid-range Xeons, but I've not been able to find anything useful. > > At present the cost of a dual Xeon server is very close to that of a > low-end dual Opteron, and I'd just like to ask if anybody has had any > success with running the 64-bit HLDS binaries. Which chip runs better? > > One little gripe would be that we're still running a few CS1.5 servers as > well, but planning ahead and looking a little into the future we're > seriously considering that the Opteron has something to offer in the long > run. > > Anybody with real-world results that could help me to make a decision? > > Regards, > > Christopher Choo > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Fragnetics > http://www.fragnetics.com > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
