Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
I think you've missed my point... On 4 September 2010 03:18, Gary Stanley g...@velocity-servers.net wrote: At 08:40 AM 9/3/2010, Daniel Vogel wrote: The old games were fast because the developers knew that they have to run on a 128 MHz turbo processor, so they've made it performant. Nowadays with the fancy 3,66 GHz machines developers don't think about the performance that much anymore. If they need a feature they just put it in, which wasn't thinkable in the quake days. I wish everyone would just have those 33 - 66 turbo processors again so developers had to think more again about the performance... Old games were faster because they were smaller. Sorry, but this is a fact. Small code usually always runs faster on the stack. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
The old games were fast because the developers knew that they have to run on a 128 MHz turbo processor, so they've made it performant. Nowadays with the fancy 3,66 GHz machines developers don't think about the performance that much anymore. If they need a feature they just put it in, which wasn't thinkable in the quake days. I wish everyone would just have those 33 - 66 turbo processors again so developers had to think more again about the performance... On 3 September 2010 02:55, Gary Stanley g...@velocity-servers.net wrote: At 08:16 PM 9/2/2010, f7 f0rkz wrote: Kyle, Couldn't agree with you more. Its 2010 and CPU speeds aren't going to be any faster. The CPU manufacturers are creating low cpu speeds with high threaded cores. Its about time we get a better server suite if TF is going to be continually bloated like it is. -f0rkz From a design point of view, I think it will be difficult to implement multithreaded gameserver code that is fully threaded (dispatcher threads) without adding more complexity and expensive userland locking. I think inter-thread latency may be the reason for it not being fully implimented. Personally, the older games are far more superior in terms of 'performance' because they are - Lightweight - Small - Easy to maintain Look at quake 3. It's old, over 10 years. The engine is simple and efficient and doesn't involve alot of expensive operations inside. You can run about 20+ 64 player quake 3 servers on modern hardware and not even suck up a large amount of CPU. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
On 03.09.2010 16:40, Daniel Vogel wrote: The old games were fast because the developers knew that they have to run on a 128 MHz turbo processor, so they've made it performant. Nowadays with the fancy 3,66 GHz machines developers don't think about the performance that much anymore. If they need a feature they just put it in, which wasn't thinkable in the quake days. I wish everyone would just have those 33 - 66 turbo processors again so developers had to think more again about the performance... It's kinda true because I still can't see what REAL difference in quake engine back then and current source engine in terms of performance. We still got Binary space partitioning maps, nothing like we got voxels or something like that for destructible maps. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
At 08:40 AM 9/3/2010, Daniel Vogel wrote: The old games were fast because the developers knew that they have to run on a 128 MHz turbo processor, so they've made it performant. Nowadays with the fancy 3,66 GHz machines developers don't think about the performance that much anymore. If they need a feature they just put it in, which wasn't thinkable in the quake days. I wish everyone would just have those 33 - 66 turbo processors again so developers had to think more again about the performance... Old games were faster because they were smaller. Sorry, but this is a fact. Small code usually always runs faster on the stack. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
At 08:40 AM 9/3/2010, Daniel Vogel wrote: The old games were fast because the developers knew that they have to run on a 128 MHz turbo processor, so they've made it performant. Nowadays with the fancy 3,66 GHz machines developers don't think about the performance that much anymore. If they need a feature they just put it in, which wasn't thinkable in the quake days. I wish everyone would just have those 33 - 66 turbo processors again so developers had to think more again about the performance... Old games were faster because they were smaller. Sorry, but this is a fact. Small code usually always runs faster on the stack. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
I am bumping this thread. This needs to happen. The game is getting bigger and bigger and the engine hasn't shown for the growth. 32 man servers are running like shit even if you have a great server. -f0rkz On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:13 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: I thought they are working on LFD3? Or perhaps concept art for EP3. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: Perhaps in CS2 they will add all of this support or to whatever they are working on... On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Multithreading or not, I'm not going to have spare CPU cycles. I'd rather any multithreading effort be instead directed to improving performance (Why does a 32 players server suck so much more than 24? Can it be improved?). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:41 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support That might work if some other process wasn't using the other cores. If all cores are maxed out, multithreading the code gains nothing. But if one server is maxed and the others are not such that there are extra cycles on the other cores to spread around, you could get some improved performance for the maxed out server. It really depends on how many cores and how many servers and what the expected load is for them. Or in other words, multithreading the code will help unless all cores are maxed out. And if you are running with all cores maxed out, you probably have some serious lag going on somewhere. PS - If it's a 2GHz dual core, then it has 2GHz of clock to play with. Multithreading it would give it another 2GHz to play with assuming no one else was eating up cpu cycles - in theory. In practice, a lot of the code probably couldn't be multithreaded, and just adding a second thread doesn't always give you that much benefit. Wait a bit, the 8 core consumer cpus are just around the corner. Then we can get some serious parallelism. It would be nice to write code knowing you have a half dozen cores to play with :-) - Original Message - From: Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support But it's at capacity on one core. The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's currently only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were multithreaded it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz to play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing the one core. On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading into the mix will not help. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu because it already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a single core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we actually had multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for ourselves how many cores it uses. I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the easter bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will get it... - Original Message - From: Tony Palomadrunkenf...@hotmail.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
If you disable multithreading then runs just fine, its the multithreading that currently causes the cpu issue. Regards Steve - Original Message - From: f7 f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I am bumping this thread. This needs to happen. The game is getting bigger and bigger and the engine hasn't shown for the growth. 32 man servers are running like shit even if you have a great server. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
Try 64 man servers f0rkz, it is an absolute Nightmare. The situation has gotten exponentially worse since the OB swap for CS:S. That, and over the years I've watched the TF2 servers on the box draw more and more CPU. This would be a welcomed change provided a beta was rolled out. I've thrown a test server up for every CS:S beta to see where I've stood. This has saved me from days/hours of downtime figuring out why plugins no longer work, and I haven't seen a bad CS:S server update since this was implemented. There's always room for optimization, if we're forced to use ld_preload or even MM:S plugins in an effort to combat excessive CPU usage... There is obviously lot that can be done that has not been already. What happened to the 64bit server binaries? They were rolled out for a while, then discontinued. Even if it would be *Valve Time*. I'm almost certain that everyone would love a heads up that at least something is in the works. Some might say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Kyle. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, f7 f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I am bumping this thread. This needs to happen. The game is getting bigger and bigger and the engine hasn't shown for the growth. 32 man servers are running like shit even if you have a great server. -f0rkz On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:13 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: I thought they are working on LFD3? Or perhaps concept art for EP3. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: Perhaps in CS2 they will add all of this support or to whatever they are working on... On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Multithreading or not, I'm not going to have spare CPU cycles. I'd rather any multithreading effort be instead directed to improving performance (Why does a 32 players server suck so much more than 24? Can it be improved?). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:41 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support That might work if some other process wasn't using the other cores. If all cores are maxed out, multithreading the code gains nothing. But if one server is maxed and the others are not such that there are extra cycles on the other cores to spread around, you could get some improved performance for the maxed out server. It really depends on how many cores and how many servers and what the expected load is for them. Or in other words, multithreading the code will help unless all cores are maxed out. And if you are running with all cores maxed out, you probably have some serious lag going on somewhere. PS - If it's a 2GHz dual core, then it has 2GHz of clock to play with. Multithreading it would give it another 2GHz to play with assuming no one else was eating up cpu cycles - in theory. In practice, a lot of the code probably couldn't be multithreaded, and just adding a second thread doesn't always give you that much benefit. Wait a bit, the 8 core consumer cpus are just around the corner. Then we can get some serious parallelism. It would be nice to write code knowing you have a half dozen cores to play with :-) - Original Message - From: Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support But it's at capacity on one core. The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's currently only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were multithreaded it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz to play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing the one core. On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading into the mix will not help. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
Kyle, Couldn't agree with you more. Its 2010 and CPU speeds aren't going to be any faster. The CPU manufacturers are creating low cpu speeds with high threaded cores. Its about time we get a better server suite if TF is going to be continually bloated like it is. -f0rkz On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.com wrote: Try 64 man servers f0rkz, it is an absolute Nightmare. The situation has gotten exponentially worse since the OB swap for CS:S. That, and over the years I've watched the TF2 servers on the box draw more and more CPU. This would be a welcomed change provided a beta was rolled out. I've thrown a test server up for every CS:S beta to see where I've stood. This has saved me from days/hours of downtime figuring out why plugins no longer work, and I haven't seen a bad CS:S server update since this was implemented. There's always room for optimization, if we're forced to use ld_preload or even MM:S plugins in an effort to combat excessive CPU usage... There is obviously lot that can be done that has not been already. What happened to the 64bit server binaries? They were rolled out for a while, then discontinued. Even if it would be *Valve Time*. I'm almost certain that everyone would love a heads up that at least something is in the works. Some might say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Kyle. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, f7 f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I am bumping this thread. This needs to happen. The game is getting bigger and bigger and the engine hasn't shown for the growth. 32 man servers are running like shit even if you have a great server. -f0rkz On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:13 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: I thought they are working on LFD3? Or perhaps concept art for EP3. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: Perhaps in CS2 they will add all of this support or to whatever they are working on... On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Multithreading or not, I'm not going to have spare CPU cycles. I'd rather any multithreading effort be instead directed to improving performance (Why does a 32 players server suck so much more than 24? Can it be improved?). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:41 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support That might work if some other process wasn't using the other cores. If all cores are maxed out, multithreading the code gains nothing. But if one server is maxed and the others are not such that there are extra cycles on the other cores to spread around, you could get some improved performance for the maxed out server. It really depends on how many cores and how many servers and what the expected load is for them. Or in other words, multithreading the code will help unless all cores are maxed out. And if you are running with all cores maxed out, you probably have some serious lag going on somewhere. PS - If it's a 2GHz dual core, then it has 2GHz of clock to play with. Multithreading it would give it another 2GHz to play with assuming no one else was eating up cpu cycles - in theory. In practice, a lot of the code probably couldn't be multithreaded, and just adding a second thread doesn't always give you that much benefit. Wait a bit, the 8 core consumer cpus are just around the corner. Then we can get some serious parallelism. It would be nice to write code knowing you have a half dozen cores to play with :-) - Original Message - From: Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support But it's at capacity on one core. The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's currently only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were multithreaded it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz to play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing the one core. On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
At 08:16 PM 9/2/2010, f7 f0rkz wrote: Kyle, Couldn't agree with you more. Its 2010 and CPU speeds aren't going to be any faster. The CPU manufacturers are creating low cpu speeds with high threaded cores. Its about time we get a better server suite if TF is going to be continually bloated like it is. -f0rkz From a design point of view, I think it will be difficult to implement multithreaded gameserver code that is fully threaded (dispatcher threads) without adding more complexity and expensive userland locking. I think inter-thread latency may be the reason for it not being fully implimented. Personally, the older games are far more superior in terms of 'performance' because they are - Lightweight - Small - Easy to maintain Look at quake 3. It's old, over 10 years. The engine is simple and efficient and doesn't involve alot of expensive operations inside. You can run about 20+ 64 player quake 3 servers on modern hardware and not even suck up a large amount of CPU. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
At 08:16 PM 9/2/2010, f7 f0rkz wrote: Kyle, Couldn't agree with you more. Its 2010 and CPU speeds aren't going to be any faster. The CPU manufacturers are creating low cpu speeds with high threaded cores. Its about time we get a better server suite if TF is going to be continually bloated like it is. -f0rkz From a design point of view, I think it will be difficult to implement multithreaded gameserver code that is fully threaded (dispatcher threads) without adding more complexity and expensive userland locking. I think inter-thread latency may be the reason for it not being fully implimented. Personally, the older games are far more superior in terms of 'performance' because they are - Lightweight - Small - Easy to maintain Look at quake 3. It's old, over 10 years. The engine is simple and efficient and doesn't involve alot of expensive operations inside. You can run about 20+ 64 player quake 3 servers on modern hardware and not even suck up a large amount of CPU. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu because it already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a single core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we actually had multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for ourselves how many cores it uses. I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the easter bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will get it... - Original Message - From: Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
I still have a bug of some sort. After a map change of tf2 it takes maybe a minute or so and then it just hangs with 100% cpu. (from what i told looks to be a valve issue) happens now and then... I for one am glad its not Multi threaded then.. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Tony Paloma Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2010 23:57 Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' Onderwerp: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading into the mix will not help. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu because it already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a single core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we actually had multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for ourselves how many cores it uses. I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the easter bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will get it... - Original Message - From: Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
But it's at capacity on one core. The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's currently only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were multithreaded it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz to play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing the one core. On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading into the mix will not help. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu because it already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a single core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we actually had multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for ourselves how many cores it uses. I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the easter bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will get it... - Original Message - From: Tony Palomadrunkenf...@hotmail.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
That might work if some other process wasn't using the other cores. If all cores are maxed out, multithreading the code gains nothing. But if one server is maxed and the others are not such that there are extra cycles on the other cores to spread around, you could get some improved performance for the maxed out server. It really depends on how many cores and how many servers and what the expected load is for them. Or in other words, multithreading the code will help unless all cores are maxed out. And if you are running with all cores maxed out, you probably have some serious lag going on somewhere. PS - If it's a 2GHz dual core, then it has 2GHz of clock to play with. Multithreading it would give it another 2GHz to play with assuming no one else was eating up cpu cycles - in theory. In practice, a lot of the code probably couldn't be multithreaded, and just adding a second thread doesn't always give you that much benefit. Wait a bit, the 8 core consumer cpus are just around the corner. Then we can get some serious parallelism. It would be nice to write code knowing you have a half dozen cores to play with :-) - Original Message - From: Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support But it's at capacity on one core. The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's currently only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were multithreaded it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz to play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing the one core. On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading into the mix will not help. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu because it already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a single core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we actually had multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for ourselves how many cores it uses. I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the easter bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will get it... - Original Message - From: Tony Palomadrunkenf...@hotmail.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start utilizing multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in speed and up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you are paying for it. Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads running without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores which is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to be able to run these spread out over the two cores. -f0rkz
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
Yes, exactly. Multithreading or not, I'm not going to have spare CPU cycles. I'd rather any multithreading effort be instead directed to improving performance (Why does a 32 players server suck so much more than 24? Can it be improved?). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:41 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support That might work if some other process wasn't using the other cores. If all cores are maxed out, multithreading the code gains nothing. But if one server is maxed and the others are not such that there are extra cycles on the other cores to spread around, you could get some improved performance for the maxed out server. It really depends on how many cores and how many servers and what the expected load is for them. Or in other words, multithreading the code will help unless all cores are maxed out. And if you are running with all cores maxed out, you probably have some serious lag going on somewhere. PS - If it's a 2GHz dual core, then it has 2GHz of clock to play with. Multithreading it would give it another 2GHz to play with assuming no one else was eating up cpu cycles - in theory. In practice, a lot of the code probably couldn't be multithreaded, and just adding a second thread doesn't always give you that much benefit. Wait a bit, the 8 core consumer cpus are just around the corner. Then we can get some serious parallelism. It would be nice to write code knowing you have a half dozen cores to play with :-) - Original Message - From: Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support But it's at capacity on one core. The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's currently only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were multithreaded it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz to play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing the one core. On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading into the mix will not help. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu because it already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a single core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we actually had multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for ourselves how many cores it uses. I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the easter bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will get it... - Original Message - From: Tony Palomadrunkenf...@hotmail.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually commits people to this its probably not happening soon - Neph On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten quite... dry for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. Kyle. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkzh...@f0rkznet.net wrote: I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention once. Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support
I thought they are working on LFD3? Or perhaps concept art for EP3. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: Perhaps in CS2 they will add all of this support or to whatever they are working on... On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Multithreading or not, I'm not going to have spare CPU cycles. I'd rather any multithreading effort be instead directed to improving performance (Why does a 32 players server suck so much more than 24? Can it be improved?). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:41 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support That might work if some other process wasn't using the other cores. If all cores are maxed out, multithreading the code gains nothing. But if one server is maxed and the others are not such that there are extra cycles on the other cores to spread around, you could get some improved performance for the maxed out server. It really depends on how many cores and how many servers and what the expected load is for them. Or in other words, multithreading the code will help unless all cores are maxed out. And if you are running with all cores maxed out, you probably have some serious lag going on somewhere. PS - If it's a 2GHz dual core, then it has 2GHz of clock to play with. Multithreading it would give it another 2GHz to play with assuming no one else was eating up cpu cycles - in theory. In practice, a lot of the code probably couldn't be multithreaded, and just adding a second thread doesn't always give you that much benefit. Wait a bit, the 8 core consumer cpus are just around the corner. Then we can get some serious parallelism. It would be nice to write code knowing you have a half dozen cores to play with :-) - Original Message - From: Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support But it's at capacity on one core. The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's currently only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were multithreaded it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz to play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing the one core. On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not gaining any CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading into the mix will not help. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably lags bad with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu because it already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a single core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we actually had multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for ourselves how many cores it uses. I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the easter bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will get it... - Original Message - From: Tony Palomadrunkenf...@hotmail.com To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because with 32 players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it taking 100% of two. Oh! Just set processor affinity! you might say. Ya, now the threading support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added overhead, starved threads, etc.). -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, better
