[Hornlist] Interesting article about pain and stress
From the Baltimore Sun, here's an interesting read about physical therapy for musicians: http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bal-ae.therapist29aug29,0,2463071.story and here's a tiny url if you prefer: *http://tinyurl.com/lnhy76* -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Playing with MS
A cross-post, but worth mentioning a second time: Here's a nice article about Sue Spaulding's struggles to play with MS. It caught my eye especially since a close friend is struggling with this disease, as well. http://www.stamfordplus.com/stm/information/nws1/publish/health/Bridgeport-Symphony-member-orchestrates-fight-against-MS5504.shtml OR http://tinyurl.com/n6alkp -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Steve Mumford is irresistible to women
On the bright side, fixing horns does make = you irresistibly attractive to women. Or, Steve, maybe all that metal exposure just makes you BELIEVE you are irresistibly attractive to women. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Brass safety
I hope that the manufacturers of mouthpieces take into consideration the he= alth and welfare of their employees. The microscoptic aerosol bits that re= sult from cutting turniing grinding and polishing are a health hazard to th= e workers making the mouthpiece and others around them. There are other me= tals that are as dangerous when inhaled. And dust masks=2C annoyingly refe= rred to as respirators=2C are virtually useless for protection. The Romans were aware of the inherent danger of lead way back when=2C thoug= h they tended to ignore it. Contemporary manufactorers should take a pro-= active approach to employee and end user safety. Would you let your child or pet eat paint chips? In the US, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has extensive and comprehensive rules regarding workplace safety and materials handling. Employers who ignore these rules do so at their own peril, as well as to their employees' peril. For lead, dust masks or respirators have to be lead-rated. Soldering work requires special rated masks, as does handling volative organic chemicals. In some cases, special clothing must be worn, and special cleaning tools and methods must be used. It's all spelled out, and expensive to implement. Remember that, if you feel inclined to complain about the price of mouthpieces. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] bumping section mates
I can't remember the last time I was bumped by a section mate, and I have no recollection of ever bumping someone. So a few nights ago, warming up, I feel this jolt to my face, and its the horn player to my right, just casually bumping me when I have the horn on my face. WTF !! I can't tell you the number of times I've been bumped, but never in a serious group. In some settings, it's almost inevitable, such as in marching band or corps. In a pit, in cramped quarters, it's highly likely. But in a good sized rehearsal room or on a stage, everyone should take care and no accidents should happen. I've never had a chipped tooth, but have had a seriously impaired embouchure, and sore gums and teeth. Really, would one step on a bow and just say sorry? Would one close a door on a percussionist's hand and expect to brush it off? Hitting a horn, or a wind player while the instrument is on the chops, is a serious, serious thing. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Head Count - IHS Symposium
I wish I could be there, this year, but it's the one week I can't make it. My son's getting married. I know I have my priorities screwed up but what can I say? Blood is thicker than Hetman Light Rotor. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited\ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Acoustical studies
Do you have any theories as to why adding weight on the valve caps appears to make a difference? Oh, yes. Theories, I have in abundance. Proof, I have none. The question is, what makes an efficient instrument? Each instrument design has its own myriad ways (variables) to be either efficient or inefficient. Weight can do a few different things at different points. So, why should added weight on the valve casings via the caps lock in the overtone series? Why would it amplify the standing wave? My guess (purely a guess) is that there is so much reflection of the standing wave going on in the valves that energy is lost through the rotor (which floats in the lubricant and can move) into the casing. The heavy caps cause resistance and less energy is lost. Especially on the 8D, that small 4th valve casing could lose a lot of energy from the rotor. Hence, a heavier cap on the change valve of an 8D has a more noticeable salutary effect than on the other rotors. On Geyer/Knopf style horns, the change valve is usually the same size, or almost as large as, the other rotors. Adding a heavy cap there may make no more difference than anywhere else. Someone else suggested a scientific study. A great idea, but who is willing to pay for it? -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Yamaha and e-brass silent mutes
Have any of you tried any/both of these two mutes? Do you have any additional information about these mutes? How do they compare? Any = comments much appreciated.= Gareth, the original Silent Brass and the e-Brass were both designed by Shinji Hamanaga, who has owned his own company, Best Brass, since 1999. He also makes the Warm-Up, which is purely acoustic, as you know. My experience has been that most players who buy the electronic versions end up abandoning use of the electronics and use both the Silent Brass and the e-Brass as acoustic silencing mutes. You may wish to save your money and buy the less expensive Warm-Up. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
Re: Barry Tuckwell's so-called cheater horns, he owned a great variety of instruments, and he could tell you, himself, what he recorded on what. After his (first) retirement in 1997 he asked us to sell most of his remaining collection of horns, and he provided a discography on each one of them. As for the Paxman model 60, I've sold 3 of them for various customers. I can tell you for sure that unless you have the chops to play the soprano Bb side, it will be worthless to you. Ifor James clearly had the chops. He made that horn absolutely sing. I don't think I've ever heard that model horn played better. What a treat! -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn Parts
Well, I finally got pictures of the problems. The F slide doesn't hit the bell, as I had said, but it does scrape along the Bb slide. The brace on the F slide broke the soldering, but my camera doesn't have the resolution to show you. The picture with the Bb slide is with the slide as far in as it goes. Tim, as I said before, get the F slide resoldered and realigned, and replace the Bb slide. All very simple stuff for any competent repair tech. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn parts
Not sure if this has come up at all in the few years that I've subscribed = to the list, but I'll give it a go anyway. My horn is a fairly used Conn = 8D, but I have a problem with the third valve slides. On the F side, the = slide has become slightly twisted, and when I go to pull it off to snake = it and grease it it rubs against the beginning of the bell (if you don't = understand this let me know and I'll get a picture). On the Bb side, the = slide is from a completely different horn and doesn't go in all the way = (again, I can get a picture, not sure if I'm explaining properly). My = question is, should I try to find matching parts, or wait until I have = saved enough money for a new horn? If you like this horn, it's well worth having the parts fixed. The problem with your F side slide is a very common one, and is usually caused by 2 factors: constantly pulling the slide at an odd angle, and leaning forward over your horn to access the music on the stand. This can usually be remedied with proper application of heat and pressure. It's not a difficult fix. The Bb slide should be either modified or replaced. It's not likely the cost to fix this is more than it's worth, especially if you like the horn otherwise. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed
So you're saying it's a piece for rare horns. It's a rare piece for horn, played by a medium number of players, and it must be well done. Please pass the salt. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator
Sorry Dave, but what kind of asymmetries are you talking about? I didn=92t get. Almost every profile I viewed had some kind of asymmetrical feature. Perhaps it was the resolution of my screen. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator
It's a very interesting link for trumpet players: [link deleted] Is there anything similar for horn mouthpieces? I find it interesting when you use the Kanstul mouthpiece comparator that there are asymmetries in the profiles, which one can only assume are derived from Kanstul's own CNC machining programs. Artifacts of aliasing the curves, perhaps? BTW, what would this tell you about how the mouthpiece performs? If this were available for horn mouthpieces, how much useful information would you get from it? Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hornplayer.net survey
I used to deal in Finke horns, so I'll make a couple observations as to popularity based solely on my experiences while selling them: First, they did have problems with their old composite rotors (more than 10 years ago), and the negative experiences people had with those dogged the improved valve rotors. Those negative perceptions were hard to overcome. Second, I noticed a quite distinct affinity between Holton players and Finke horns. Most of my Finke customers tended to be long-time Holton players. I have no idea what this means - it's just an observation. Finally, I will note that if your Finke valves are working properly, there are no faster horn rotary valves on the planet. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finding long lost horn
Long story. Short question. How do I go about instituting a serious search= for my original horn? Any advice deeply appreciated. As I said=2C I have= the original receipt with serial number Best of luck! You are up against a serious hay stack looking for a unique needle. You need to advertise your desire to find this horn, and you will have to disclose the serial number. Otherwise, you'lll never find it. Put your ad online in any of several places, all of which are geared more toward selling than finding horns: hornplayer.net; www.hornsociety.org; www.napbirt.org, and on this list and on the Yahoo horn list moderated by David Thompson. Contact the major horn shops to see if they have ever serviced that serial number horn (I keep all my repair records with serial numbers so I can look up a horn easily). Ask them to keep their eyes open for it, which is really asking a lot since most shops don't have time or resources for such a request. Put an ad in the International Musician. Concentrate your search on the locale where it was sold. Chances are better than even that it never left the area. Finally, be prepared for disappointment. Not only might you never find it, even if you do the current owner might not have any desire to sell. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Reversing the 4th valve to stand in Bb
Walter wasn't the only person, but I don't know of how many are still aroun= d that can. In the 70s there was a shop in Ft. Lauderdale, Lytle and Schatz IIRC, that also performed this operation though, sadly, they are no longer around. Practically any competent repair tech can engineer a thumb trigger and rotor stop that reverses. Almost every tech who specializes in horns has done it at one time, or another. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Slow valves after oiling, cont'd
Joel responded to my questions: I was using hetman light rotor oil for the top, al cass for down the slides, and very little stp oil treatment for the slides. The rotors didnt slow down until I reoiled them about 5 days after I got the horn back from the repairman. To oil it, I usually put oil into the slides, push them the whole way in, and invert the horn. My horn has brass rotors. Any ideas as to what caused it/what I should use? It's a fairly new horn, so the rotors arent too worn yet. Based on that description, I can't say for sure. If those lubricants are your regular lubes, and that's your regular regimen, then it's a puzzle. The only thing I could imagine is that the repair tech used something for a lubricant that mixes poorly with your lubes. I'd ask the repair tech what he/she used, and ask the tech to inspect for problems. If all the valves slowed down, then it would seem to be a lubricant problem. Titanium rotors have their own special problems, but you don't have those so no worries there. I'd go back to the repair tech to see what lubricant was used on re-assembly. A synthetic lubricant could mix with the oils you used and make a thick goo. One other possibility is almost too remote to mention, but I have seen some horns that were not rinsed and acid-neutralized properly after cleaning, resulting in almost immediate corrosion problems. This is highly unlikely. I am interested to hear what the tech says after having a look. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Appraisals
Any thoughts? Suggestions? Ideas of who to get in touch with that might b= e willing to provide me with a number? It doesn't have to be a formal appr= aisal=2C just a number I can show them. In my opinion, there is really no such thing as an informal appraisal if a reputable, competent appraiser is putting his or her name to the opinion. And, a true appraisal can only take place if the appraiser actually inspects the instrument. To give just a number without inspecting the instrument is to invite fraud. Don't imagine that I'm accusing anyone. It's just that I could not imagine an insurer who would take the word of any appraiser who did not inspect the item insured. After all, the item could be in any condition whatever. Whomever you get to give you an appraisal, they should actually inspect the horn. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Alex 103 tweaks
However, I believe (but on only scanty evidence) that from time to time the construction and design have been tweaked. One part that is different over the years is the bell. I have a personal fondness for the sound of the Alexanders (50s and early 60s, I believe, but I could be wrong) that have a gussetted bell. I believe (again, I could be wrong) the German term is mit zwickel. They are easily identified as having a Y shaped bell seam. There's just something about those bells that I don't hear in any other bell, and I think the 103's with those bells are the best sounding 103's. Just my opinion. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Black residue / C.G. Conn's
Joe wrote in two separate messages: I have a 2006 eastlake conn 8DS. Since day one, every time I pull a = slide out of my horn, theres always some kind of black residue on the slides. = I've given my horn multiple baths and have snaked it frequently, and i always snake out the slide tubes and clean the slides befor applying new = grease. I've been looking at other peoples Eastlake Conn 8Ds lately, and i couldn't= help but notice that a few had a=A0small C.G.Conn signature engraved on th= e bell up near the pinky hook. What does this mean?=A0Does it mean there is= something special about the horn, or is it just a little something extra t= o make it look nice? Based on my experience with new Conn horns, this black residue is not a normal condition, even with the lubricants you're using. Have it cleaned ultrasonically by a competent repair tech, and the problem should go away. Even if this is a factory-made problem, your horn is out of warranty and you will likely get no satisfaction from Conn-Selmer, no matter what the problem. As for the nice engraving, it's a standard ornamentation on C.G. Conn horns since the mid- or late- 1990's (not sure of exact date). The engraving is done with a laser. I don't think there's anything special associate with this engraving. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
I put a new 8D leadpipe on an old nickel Horner model and it cleared up all the funny notes and turned a great sounding horn into a great sounding horn with no bad noted. Jerry, what was the vintage of that 8D leadpipe? Was that a brand new, Eastlake-made pipe, or some other vintage? -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] More lubrication and slide madness
Random thoughts based on this thread: I couldn't agree with Steve Mumford more. Repair techs who insist that every tube must be polished are not doing your horn a favor. As for the grease with the 1-800-PRO-OILS phone number, PRO OILS is the brand name and the maker is Musichem. They're widely available. If you have a sticky, thick, mashmallowy white grease you are using a lithium-based grease and it will hold even the loosest, leakiest slide in place. Hetman 9 is such a grease, and I suspect this PRO OILS grease is the same. But you are only treating the symptom and not the cause. Have your slide re-fit. I think there are a few causes of leaky slides. The first is a slide that was lapped too loose or not drawn to the right tolerance in the first place during manufacture. These slides are loose from Day One. Then there are slides that are made loose by repeated sanding and polishing, and that's the repair tech's fault. There are slides that are marginally tight but get worn down over time, and these are by far the exception rather than the rule. The main cause of loose slides from use is because of pulling the slides out off-axis rather than straight out. The constant burnishing against a much stronger receiver tube with a rolled edge causes an ovalled condition, which over time shrinks the tubing to the point that it's loose. The best defense against this is to use the heaviest grease that will allow you to pull the slides easily, to maintain the slides so they do pull easily, and to pull them straight out. Ever see the end of a slide tube puckered in? That's what's happening. You see this on third slides most of the time, because of the forces these slides get subjected to based on where they are and how often they get pulled. The first slides get it less often, and you almost never see it on second slide tubes. Why? The length of the pull, the position of the slide and how it's held to be pulled, and the frequency it gets pulled. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Slide grease - different perspective
Any suggestions for a long lasting slide grease.? I have tried gun grease; Selmer Slide/Cork Grease; GOO Tuning valve slide lube; Schilke Slide Grease w lanolin; all Hetman types; STP. Nothing lasts more than a week w the Holton Rotary valve oil I use. I'd like to offer a different view. My experience with slides that eat grease is that they are very often loose. I would check for loose slides. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Slide grease and valve oil
There are only two bearings on rotor valves. The rotor surfaces do not touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve. Adding oil inside the valve only creates a mess that must be cleaned out or diluted by adding more and more oil. Start by removing the valves and clean them well. Oil only the bearings upon reassembly. Your valves will work quickly and need only very occasional oiling on the top and bottom bearings. Heed Hans' advice and stop over oiling your valves. Boy, I hate to be so contrarian, but I disagree with you, and here's why: Clean and dry rotors are bare metal, both the bearing and facing surfaces. To keep built up particulates and corrosion from the bare metal, a constant film of oil is necessary. Oiling the bearings is necessary to keep the rotors turning centered in the bearings, but oiling the facing surfaces both prevents problems and seals the gap between the rotor and casing. So, there are two good reasons to oil the inside facing surfaces. The important thing is to oil the facing surfaces carefully so as not to cut the heavier grease into the lighter grease. To properly lubricate your horn you need three (and possibly four) lubricants: light oil inside to lubricate the rotor facings, heavier bearing oil, and slide grease. If you have mechanical linkages, you may need a heavy lubricant such as the Hetman Ball Joint, just for that purpose. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Regional differences in sound
The loss of a regional difference in sound isn't limited to musical sound. Consider regional accents, idioms, and dialects in spoken language. The fact is that if you record something for everyone to listen to, and everyone listens to it, then we all start to sound the same over time. First, there was nothing, then there was regional broadcast of television and radio, then national broadcasts. Now, any medium can be digitized and transmitted anywhere, instantaneously. It's all just a fact of the globalized world we live in. Blend it all together and it will eventually all take on a single color. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dent bags
A famous Aberystwyth horn player once happened to be going up a famous Aberystwyth hill (Cefn Llan, with a marked gradient of about 25% but much steeper in places) when the boot of his Morris Minor popped open and his horn went rolling backwards down the hill. It was in a Yamaha ABS/aluminium case with a polystyrene foam insert, and was undamaged. My take home message from the above story is this: if you are a horn player either (a) do not drive a Morris Minor, or (b) stay out of Wales. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The problem with cases and bags
I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. The problem here is not whether one can design a case or a bag that completely protects the horn in any reasonable situation. One certainly could. The problem is that there are always trade-offs between convenience, weight, protection, price, and so forth. Each player has to weigh the factors that are most important to himself or herself. I hear it all the time: I want a protective case to carry my horn on an airplane. Your choices are limited. I also hear quite often: I have shoulder problems which hurt my playing as it is, so I need the most lightweight solution. Again, the requirement limits you to a few good choices. It has been said: I want a bullet-proof case to protect my instrument from any bumps or bruises. Once more, you come down to only a handful of choices to meet your needs. There is an old saying in business: Get it done fast, get it done well, get it done cheaply. Pick two. In other words, decide what is important to you, and the choices become clear. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Lincoln 200 music
John, You can pick up practically any book or cd on music of the Civil War and find stuff that is very topical, and may exist already as arrangements. There was a lot of borrowing tunes at the time. Both North and South used the same tunes with different words, kind of like spirit songs. Of course, spirituals would be quite appropriate. Dover Publications has the songbook Songs of the Civil War, which includes 125 tunes, many of which would be quite appropriate, and 9 of which are grouped as Songs of Abraham Lincoln. I second the Lincoln Portrait idea, but if it is not already in quintet format getting the rights to arrange it may be difficult. I don't know of a brass quintet arrangement, and I'm pretty sure it's not in the public domain. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Our new mailing address: 1810-A York Road, #182 Lutherville, MD 21093 www.brassarts.com ++(1) (410) 866-1587 ++(1) (443) 730-2464 fax ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] OT: Tuba in Bb or C
Steve, Look for a 3/4 sized tuba for your son. There are even some models out there with 4 valves, like the Meinl Weston model 11, which is even convertible to a marching bass. Yamaha makes the YBB 103 and 105, but they only have 3 valves (at least I think those are the model numbers.) The Meinl Weston is what my son played until high school. I wanted him to have that 4th valve, but honestly I don't think he ever used it. ;)Euphonium or baritone is a possibility, but not really a good substitute due to mouthpiece and range considerations. I would try to find a good, used 3/4 size BBb tuba until your son is big enough to handle the real thing. CC is not a good solution, either, because of size and cost. If he's serious, he can move up to a CC in high school and just deal with the change in fingerings for a summer. Kids ought to learn transposition and different fingerings, anyway. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Our new mailing address: 1810-A York Road, #182 Lutherville, MD 21093 www.brassarts.com ++(1) (410) 866-1587 ++(1) (443) 730-2464 fax ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] OT: Tuba in Bb or C
Of course, Klaus is right about the tuba usage in most respects. In the US, almost all elementary and secondary playing is done on the BBb contrabass tuba. Serious students acquire a CC contrabass either in high school (almost exclusive if one has a private teacher preparing one for college auditions), but almost certainly in college. The serious tuba student learns the CC for use in the orchestra, and rarely switches back to the BBb. For bass tuba, the F tuba is the popular choice to switch to from the CC, mainly due to the similarity of fingerings. Similarly for the BBb tuba, one often pairs it with the Eb bass tuba. However, many F tubas have squirrelly intonation issues, and the CC and Eb pairing is widely used among tubists, as well. I believe the Vaughan Williams concerto lays under the fingers beautifully on Eb tuba. Cost is usually not the main consideration. It's a tool to do a job, so you get the best tool for the job. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Our new mailing address: 1810-A York Road, #182 Lutherville, MD 21093 www.brassarts.com ++(1) (410) 866-1587 ++(1) (443) 730-2464 fax ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn Workshop Collaborative - postscript
A cross-post: As of this writing I believe I have responded to all who contacted me about joining our collaborative group for horn-related workshop hosts and exhibitors. If you believe you should have gotten an invitation but did not receive one via email, please respond to me privately. A note to all who inquired: As this is a very focused group dealing with issues that arise out of exhibiting at horn-related events, the group may not be appropriate to all who expressed an interest in joining. The group is not exclusive, but we do have a rather focused discussion. If I challenged your membership it is due to my desire to keep the discussions focused and topical to all members. If you read this post and wish to be considered for membership, please do let me know by responding to me privately. Thanks, and I hope all are enjoying the remains of the summer season. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Our new mailing address: 1810-A York Road, #182 Lutherville, MD 21093 www.brassarts.com ++(1) (410) 866-1587 ++(1) (443) 730-2464 fax ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Soliciting interest in Horn Workshop Collaborative group
All, this is a cross-post to solicit those interested in joining a Google Group, the Horn Workshop Collaborative. The group brings together hosts, past and future, of horn-related events and vendors interested in exhibiting at those events, in order to improve communication and make a better workshop experience for all. This is a low-activity group, so you won't get tons of email posts, but there is good information and exchange of views for those interested parties. Our current membership now numbers over 30, and is about evenly split between vendors and hosts. If you think you might like to become a member of this group, please send me a private email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Our new mailing address: 1810-A York Road, #182 Lutherville, MD 21093 www.brassarts.com ++(1) (410) 866-1587 ++(1) (443) 730-2464 fax ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: wasted year
I cannot tell you how many times I have seen horns given to me by band directors, let alone the students, that were strung backwards, with valves in backwards, with slides in the wrong places, and so on. I am sure every tech has seen this many times. I think the excuse you give for the band director not noticing is quite generous. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Lets hear it for music education! I found this sentence about horn playing on Yahoo answers. This girl just wasted a year of band. I guess maybe the band director had too many kids in the class to notice one of them was playing oddly. I played it for a year! but at the end of the year i found out that it was strung backwards, and i was like OH THATS WHY IT SOUNDED WIERDI LLB (back to polishing) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RIP Jonell Lindholm
I will certainly miss Jonell. She was a wonderful person. From the moment it was apparent that she was sick I determined not to say anything unless she wanted to talk about it. And, of course, she never did. It was life as usual in all my dealings with her. Her illness never seemed to get her down. She was a fine horn player, and a fine person. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited Our new mailing address: 1810-A York Road, #182 Lutherville, MD 21093 www.brassarts.com ++(1) (410) 866-1587 ++(1) (443) 730-2464 fax ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] MGM Symphony
Ok, all you history/section buffs out there, I was watching a short from 1954 on TCM this morning with the MGM Symphony playing La Gazza Ladra Overture, and was wondering if anyone had a clue about who the principal horn was, or any of the section members for that matter. In doing a little digging, I also found a ton of references to the conductor, Johnny Green, who had screen and composition credits out the wazoo. I honestly had never heard of him (or didn't remember), so I should be paying better attention I guess. And finally, this all reminded me of the current trend to simulcast opera in movie theaters on a pay-per-view basis. An interview on radio with the Baltimore Sun's music critic, Tim Smith, discussed the fact that this has surpassed the Met's expectations, and is doing well for La Scala, also. And, while it's probably not building opera audiences, at least it's getting more opera fans a chance to have a live, if not in-person, opera experience rather than simply hearing a radio broadcast. The concept of using broadcast technology to bring a classical music experience to the masses is not a new thing. -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
