[Hornlist] Schoeck Horn Concerto Peter Damm 1986

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3O-HC57oAI&feature=PlayList&p=529C9F53222B64AC&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsatzI3Lc8&feature=PlayList&p=529C9F53222B64AC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl7lRAW8X94&feature=PlayList&p=529C9F53222B64AC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
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[Hornlist] R Strauss Horn Concerto No 1 Barry Tuckwell 1987

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG6w2lkRcjw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3-xANiQrho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0zCDa_T1g4
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Baroque CD tips

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you guy!

Anybody else?
2009/5/6 

> My tip:
> Bach Cantatas, especially Harnoncourt Cantata #14 with Baumann. Then look
> for cantata #136 that is done on horn (Harnoncourt ++ ?)
>
> Richard Burdick
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[Hornlist] Adapters

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I know that many horn players double on Mellophone, Mellophonium, Tenor horn
(or Alto horn in the USA). For sure some of you don’t double anymore, but
use to do in the past...I have a few questions for you?



Have you ever used an adapter? Did it work for you? What about intonation?



Moosewood T Rex seems to be a great option for horn players. Does it have a
good behavior?



Thanks



Robson


P.S. I’m asking because I have a horn mouthpiece and I tried to use it on my
flugelhorn, but I had some intonation issues specially with the flat high
register due the tight backbore. Once I also tried to use a horn mouthpiece
on my trumpet just to test it, and on the trumpet the intonation issue was
much more pronounced than on the flugelhorn, I believe it happens because
the difference between trumpet and horn backbore is much bigger than the
difference between flugelhorn and horn backbore.
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Re: [Hornlist] Baroque CD tips

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you Adam

This CD is great, but I already have it. I just said that I have few CD'S,
but I forgot to say what I have (I'm very very sorry). I have 3 Barroque
horn CD'S:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Horn-Concerti-Various-Composers/dp/B274EQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1241608415&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.com/Horn-Concertos-Luigi-Cherubini/dp/B02SEL

http://www.amazon.com/Baroque-Horn-Concertos-Barry-Tuckwell/dp/B0E396

Thank you very much for your help. Do you have something else in mind?

Robson


2009/5/5 Adam Black 

>
> Hi Robson,
>
> Barry Tuckwell has a double CD called simply, "Horn Concertos". It is I
> think probably the best overall selection around of what you are looking
> for. It includes 4 concertos by Stich (Punto), along with concertos by
> Michael and Josef Haydn, Leopold Mozart, Forster, Telemann, Weber and
> Cherubini. You should be able to find it on amazon.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam Black
>
> > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:38:46 -0300
> > From: robson.ad...@gmail.com
> > To: horn@music.memphis.edu
> > Subject: [Hornlist] Baroque CD tips
> >
> > I know some great names like Barry Tuckwell, Hermann Baumann, Ifor James,
> > Peter Damm, Zdenek
> > Tylsar<
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=music&field-artist=Zdenek%20Tylsar
> >,
> > but I still have just few horn CD’S...
> >
> >
> >
> > Please help me to buy something very very good. I’m looking for baroque
> > music CD’S (specially the really high horn concertos). What’s your
> favorite
> > baroque CD? What’s the baroque CD that you still don’t have but you are
> > looking forward to buy?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> >
> >
> > Robson
> >
> >
> > P.S. If one day you decided to buy trumpet CD’S just ask to me that I
> will
> > give my humble and honest opinion.
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Re: [Hornlist] New Amsterdam Brass Band and the Tenor Horn

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Some people even call Denis Wick "cookie cutter" mouthpieces. I tried just
once a Wick 2FL for my fluegelhorn, but to me the rim was uncomfortable. I
used a Monette B1-1 rim for everything and probably it's the roundest rim of
the market...maybe I'm not a reference.

If you get used with the rim for sure Wick mouthpieces are a great choice.

Robson

2009/5/5 Lawrence Yates 

> That's true, especially for the larger instruments Besson Sovereigns are
> very highly respected.
>
> The Denis Wick mouthpieces are very popular - they are deep but I would not
> consider the rims to be "sharp like a knife" at all.
>
> The "Denis Wick 4" cornet mouthpiece has saved many a failing young player
> from falling into the rubbish bin.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lawrence
>
> 2009/5/5 Robson Adabo de Mello 
>
> > I’m not British, but I believe the top brands for a British Brass Band
> are:
> > Besson, Yamaha and Courtois. At least for cornet these brands represent
> the
> > pinnacle.
> >
> > Robson
> >
> > P.S. Curiosity: Almost everybody uses Denis Wick mouthpieces on a Brass
> > Band. They are deep and the rim is narrow and sharp like knife!
> >
>
> --
> Lawrenceyates.co.uk <http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/>
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Re: [Hornlist] New Amsterdam Brass Band and the Tenor Horn

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I’m not British, but I believe the top brands for a British Brass Band are:
Besson, Yamaha and Courtois. At least for cornet these brands represent the
pinnacle.



Robson


P.S. Curiosity: Almost everybody uses Denis Wick mouthpieces on a Brass
Band. They are deep and the rim is narrow and sharp like knife!


2009/5/5 CI 

>Most tenor horns are, as you say, shithooks. There are, however, a
> couple of manufacturers that do make good ones that can be played with good
> intonation, but I don't now remember the brands as it has been many years
> since I've played a tenor horn in the brass band. I used a shank adaptor
> and
> played on my regular horn mouthpiece to the chagrin of the purists in the
> group, but I was not about to ruin my horn playing. When I had an important
> horn rehearsal or concert, I refused to play in the brass band the day
> before so I didn't mess up my horn.
>
> Loren Mayhew, Owner
> Computer Intelligence LLC, dba
> CI Music
> c...@mayhews.us
> www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke
> 001 (520) 289-0700
>
> -Original Message-
> From: horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu
> [mailto:horn-bounces+loren =mayhews.us@
> music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of
> lewho...@yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:52 AM
> To: The Horn List
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New Amsterdam Brass Band and the Tenor Horn
>
> Thank you Lawrence for your very insightful remarks on British Brass Bands.
>
> I was invited to play Tenor in a newly established band in the Detroit
> area,
> and I did one concert with the group. I can tell everyone that the
> intonation on the Tenor Horn is horrendous! In this particular band, the
> Solo Tenor Horn player also is an accomplished hornist, and during the
> rehearsal we kept putting our heads together to get alternate fingerings to
> get as Hans describes the Tenor Horn (in English) as a shithook, lol. Now I
> know why he calls them that! I also can relate that the next day, my
> slotting was off due to the differences of the mouthpiece. It was that fact
> that persuaded me not to pursue playing any longer on a "shithook"!
>
> I still enjoy the sound of a British Brass Band, and I am in the process of
> hiring a very good one for a 65th Anniversary concert of D-Day for the city
> that I am priviledged to serve as a member of the city's cultural
> commission.
>
> Walt Lewis
> Walt
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[Hornlist] Baroque CD tips

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I know some great names like Barry Tuckwell, Hermann Baumann, Ifor James,
Peter Damm, Zdenek
Tylsar,
but I still have just few horn CD’S...



Please help me to buy something very very good. I’m looking for baroque
music CD’S (specially the really high horn concertos). What’s your favorite
baroque CD? What’s the baroque CD that you still don’t have but you are
looking forward to buy?



Thank you very much



Robson


P.S. If one day you decided to buy trumpet CD’S just ask to me that I will
give my humble and honest opinion.
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you for your Professor!

"A nice fluegelhorn would sound much better". It's very interesting because
the flugel horn and the high bb horn have same length.

Usually fluegelhorns have triggers on the 3rd valve (and sometimes on the
1st) to correct intonation and for sure it's an advantage... but the only I
recognise

Robson

P.S. I'm a trumpet player and I have a fluegelhorn and I don't care for
fluegel's high register, but I love the middle and low register




2009/5/3 Prof.Hans Pizka 

> Hello Robson,
>
> the low register cannot be produced sufficiently, nor can the intonation be
> kept at a decent level, as the horn is not built to be played below written
> c2 (middle space) in F-notation. Pieces requiring top notes like written
> high g3 (= 4 ledger lines above staff) do not go down beyond middle space
> (c2 F-notation). Missing all the overtones with this extreme short tube,
> will not allow a pleasant sound in this region. A nice fluegelhorn would
> sound much better. Sorry, that is the truth.
>
> And all is not a matter of "being possible", but rather a matter of
> "producing a beautiful sound with correct intonation & allowing all
> technical movements plus long held notes within the phrases". The middle
> movement should be the proving tool.
>
>
> 
> ==
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu
> [mailto:horn-bounces+hans =pizka...@music.memphis.edu]
> Im Auftrag von Robson
> Adabo de Mello
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Mai 2009 17:42
> An: The Horn List
> Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>
>  Instead of "Does it have a nice even below the top of the staff"
> please read "Does it have a nice *sound* even below the top of the staff ?"
>
> Sorry! I forgot a word...
>
> Robson
>
> 2009/5/3 Robson Adabo de Mello 
>
> > Professor Hans
> >
> > I'm sure the high register can be played on a high bb horn (I believe
> it's
> > gonna sound very similar to the high side of a Bb/bb horn). What about
> the
> > "low" register? Does it have a nice even below the top of the staff.
> >
> > Thanks
> > I'm asking because Paul said the following
> >
> > "Hello Robson,
> > No, the Bb alto horn is very limited below the top of the staff- it is
> > generally used above written high G.
> > Almost everything below that requires a regular Bb horn.
> > I have a Bb/Bb alto model 60, made by Paxman  and have found very little
> > use for it besides the Neruda and some other baroque concertos, and a few
> > other symphonic compositions,  like the Haydn symphomy #51.
> > Paul Navarro"
> > 2009/5/1 Prof.Hans Pizka 
> >
> > Yes, off course, but not much other use for this kind of a ??horn??.
> >> Playing
> >> this horn is no fun. One has to use a complete different mouthpiece
> (flat
> >> cup, broader rim) to make it sound pleasantly. Yes, it can sound very
> nice
> >> then. But you will not be able to play Mozarts "Figaro" the next day,
> >> because the normal embouchure will be gone.
> >>
> >> Do not believe, you could play higher than normal with this kind of
> horns.
> >> You just be safer in the high region & the sound will be much thinner
> than
> >> normal, - but that´s what is required for Neruda & Pokorny. If one does
> >> not
> >> have the chops to play up to concert bb2 on the regular double (that´s
> the
> >> Bb written atop the first ledger line above the staff - piano notation
> >> !!),
> >> this tiny horn will not make it. I mean, not just squeaking out the note
> >> occasionally, but play it as a perfect tuned note in the desired dynamic
> >> etc. Repeated: it is not enough just producing these top notes
> >> occasionally
> >> - at home in the bathroom, but on the concert platform with (nearly)
> >> guarantee not to break them.
> >>
> >> And these kind of music is not written for the amateur.
> >> Last argument: is such kind of music worth the investment ? For two
> >> concerts
> >> ?
> >> Isn´t it much better, to leave these concertos to the trumpet players ?
> >> Why
> >> not ? They can play them very nicely, perhaps using a "fluegelhorn". It
> is
> >> not a sacrilege nor a shame. It is also no shame to decline an offer to
> >> play
> >> such extreme high concertos or cantatas.
> &

Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Professor?

Sorry, but I received a blank answer ... maybe the problem is my e-mail.

Robson

2009/5/3 hans.pi...@t-online.de 

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Instead of "Does it have a nice even below the top of the staff"
please read "Does it have a nice *sound* even below the top of the staff ?"

Sorry! I forgot a word...

Robson

2009/5/3 Robson Adabo de Mello 

> Professor Hans
>
> I'm sure the high register can be played on a high bb horn (I believe it's
> gonna sound very similar to the high side of a Bb/bb horn). What about the
> "low" register? Does it have a nice even below the top of the staff.
>
> Thanks
> I'm asking because Paul said the following
>
> "Hello Robson,
> No, the Bb alto horn is very limited below the top of the staff- it is
> generally used above written high G.
> Almost everything below that requires a regular Bb horn.
> I have a Bb/Bb alto model 60, made by Paxman  and have found very little
> use for it besides the Neruda and some other baroque concertos, and a few
> other symphonic compositions,  like the Haydn symphomy #51.
> Paul Navarro"
> 2009/5/1 Prof.Hans Pizka 
>
> Yes, off course, but not much other use for this kind of a ??horn??.
>> Playing
>> this horn is no fun. One has to use a complete different mouthpiece (flat
>> cup, broader rim) to make it sound pleasantly. Yes, it can sound very nice
>> then. But you will not be able to play Mozarts "Figaro" the next day,
>> because the normal embouchure will be gone.
>>
>> Do not believe, you could play higher than normal with this kind of horns.
>> You just be safer in the high region & the sound will be much thinner than
>> normal, - but that´s what is required for Neruda & Pokorny. If one does
>> not
>> have the chops to play up to concert bb2 on the regular double (that´s the
>> Bb written atop the first ledger line above the staff - piano notation
>> !!),
>> this tiny horn will not make it. I mean, not just squeaking out the note
>> occasionally, but play it as a perfect tuned note in the desired dynamic
>> etc. Repeated: it is not enough just producing these top notes
>> occasionally
>> - at home in the bathroom, but on the concert platform with (nearly)
>> guarantee not to break them.
>>
>> And these kind of music is not written for the amateur.
>> Last argument: is such kind of music worth the investment ? For two
>> concerts
>> ?
>> Isn´t it much better, to leave these concertos to the trumpet players ?
>> Why
>> not ? They can play them very nicely, perhaps using a "fluegelhorn". It is
>> not a sacrilege nor a shame. It is also no shame to decline an offer to
>> play
>> such extreme high concertos or cantatas.
>>
>> People try these tiny beasts & risk to ruin their embouchure, as they try
>> to
>> compensate the missing overtones by playing effort, which destroys the
>> embouchure in the short run. We know a lot of victims.
>>
>>
>> 
>> =
>>
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu
>> [mailto:horn-bounces+hans =pizka.de@
>> music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Robson
>> Adabo de Mello
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Mai 2009 03:36
>> An: The Horn List
>> Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>>
>> I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
>>
>>
>> http://p30983.typo3server.info/fileadmin/images/bilddatenbank/diskanthoerner
>> /mod_99.jpg
>>
>> Robson
>>
>> P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
>>
>> 2009/4/30 Robson Adabo de Mello 
>>
>> > I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
>> >
>> > Robson
>> >
>> > P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
>> >
>> >   2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Lawrence
>> >>
>> >> My ex. wife and her new husband still do.
>> >>
>> >> I still repair and sell horns if they come my way.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> John.
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:05:32 +0100
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>> >> > From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
>> >> > To: horn@music.memphis.edu
>> >>  >
>> >> > Thanks John.
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way - are you still running the Horn Exchange? I used to get
>> >> lists
>> >> > from you every year but I don't remembe

Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Professor Hans

I'm sure the high register can be played on a high bb horn (I believe it's
gonna sound very similar to the high side of a Bb/bb horn). What about the
"low" register? Does it have a nice even below the top of the staff.

Thanks
I'm asking because Paul said the following

"Hello Robson,
No, the Bb alto horn is very limited below the top of the staff- it is
generally used above written high G.
Almost everything below that requires a regular Bb horn.
I have a Bb/Bb alto model 60, made by Paxman  and have found very little use
for it besides the Neruda and some other baroque concertos, and a few other
symphonic compositions,  like the Haydn symphomy #51.
Paul Navarro"
2009/5/1 Prof.Hans Pizka 

> Yes, off course, but not much other use for this kind of a ??horn??.
> Playing
> this horn is no fun. One has to use a complete different mouthpiece (flat
> cup, broader rim) to make it sound pleasantly. Yes, it can sound very nice
> then. But you will not be able to play Mozarts "Figaro" the next day,
> because the normal embouchure will be gone.
>
> Do not believe, you could play higher than normal with this kind of horns.
> You just be safer in the high region & the sound will be much thinner than
> normal, - but that´s what is required for Neruda & Pokorny. If one does not
> have the chops to play up to concert bb2 on the regular double (that´s the
> Bb written atop the first ledger line above the staff - piano notation !!),
> this tiny horn will not make it. I mean, not just squeaking out the note
> occasionally, but play it as a perfect tuned note in the desired dynamic
> etc. Repeated: it is not enough just producing these top notes occasionally
> - at home in the bathroom, but on the concert platform with (nearly)
> guarantee not to break them.
>
> And these kind of music is not written for the amateur.
> Last argument: is such kind of music worth the investment ? For two
> concerts
> ?
> Isn´t it much better, to leave these concertos to the trumpet players ? Why
> not ? They can play them very nicely, perhaps using a "fluegelhorn". It is
> not a sacrilege nor a shame. It is also no shame to decline an offer to
> play
> such extreme high concertos or cantatas.
>
> People try these tiny beasts & risk to ruin their embouchure, as they try
> to
> compensate the missing overtones by playing effort, which destroys the
> embouchure in the short run. We know a lot of victims.
>
>
> 
> =========
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu
> [mailto:horn-bounces+hans =pizka...@music.memphis.edu]
> Im Auftrag von Robson
> Adabo de Mello
> Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Mai 2009 03:36
> An: The Horn List
> Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>
> I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
>
>
> http://p30983.typo3server.info/fileadmin/images/bilddatenbank/diskanthoerner
> /mod_99.jpg
>
> Robson
>
> P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
>
> 2009/4/30 Robson Adabo de Mello 
>
> > I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
> >
> > Robson
> >
> > P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
> >
> >   2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
> >
> >>
> >> Lawrence
> >>
> >> My ex. wife and her new husband still do.
> >>
> >> I still repair and sell horns if they come my way.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> John.
> >>
> >> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:05:32 +0100
> >> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
> >> > From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
> >> > To: horn@music.memphis.edu
> >>  >
> >> > Thanks John.
> >> >
> >> > By the way - are you still running the Horn Exchange? I used to get
> >> lists
> >> > from you every year but I don't remember having anything for a while.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Lawrence
> >> >
> >> > 2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Lawrence
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > from my time at Paxmans during that period
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm sure that is what happened
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > >
> >> > > John Ward
> >> > >
> >> > > > Date

Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn

http://p30983.typo3server.info/fileadmin/images/bilddatenbank/diskanthoerner/mod_99.jpg

Robson

P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)

2009/4/30 Robson Adabo de Mello 

> I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn
>
> Robson
>
> P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb)
>
>   2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
>
>>
>> Lawrence
>>
>> My ex. wife and her new husband still do.
>>
>> I still repair and sell horns if they come my way.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John.
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:05:32 +0100
>> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>> > From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
>> > To: horn@music.memphis.edu
>>  >
>> > Thanks John.
>> >
>> > By the way - are you still running the Horn Exchange? I used to get
>> lists
>> > from you every year but I don't remember having anything for a while.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Lawrence
>> >
>> > 2009/4/28 John.N Ward 
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Lawrence
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > from my time at Paxmans during that period
>> > >
>> > > I'm sure that is what happened
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > >
>> > > John Ward
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:49:48 +0100
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>> > > > From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
>> > > > To: hans.pi...@t-online.de; horn@music.memphis.edu
>> > > > CC:
>> > > >
>> > > > I heard a story about the recording of the Zelenka -
>> > > >
>> > > > WARNING: I have absolutely no evidence to support or substantiate
>> thIs
>> > > story
>> > > > and I offer it as an amusing anecdote which may or may not be as
>> true as
>> > > any
>> > > > other amusing anecdote doing the rounds. I cannot even remember who
>> told
>> > > me
>> > > > this.
>> > > >
>> > > > Anyway, the story was that Mr. Tuckwell took the high horn on
>> approval
>> > > from
>> > > > Paxmans with a view to buying it, recorded the Zelenka, possibly the
>> only
>> > > > piece in the world for which he might need such an instrument, then
>> took
>> > > it
>> > > > back.
>> > > >
>> > > > Maybe someone from Paxmans or anyone closer to the events could
>> > > substantiate
>> > > > or repudiate this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > >
>> > > > Lawrence
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Re: [Hornlist] Paxman quality

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

And when the topic is quality Finke is ahead compared with Paxman, or not
yet?

2009/4/28 

>
> In a message dated 4/27/2009 10:45:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> robson.ad...@gmail.com writes:
>
> but
> it's hard to find people that play with a Finke horn. Are they  underrated?
>
>
>
> IMHO, they are underrated and underpriced.
> The Finke Americus F/Bb standard double
> would be on my short list.
>
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[Hornlist] Paxman quality

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

"I hope they find their way back to the pinnacle of horn design they
occupied for so long. Until that time please consider the fine instruments
of Engelbert Schmid  and Johannes
Finke . They represent the
current state-of-the-art of horn making."

It is written at Bob Osmun website:
http://www.osmun.com/prod/Paxman/Paxman.htm

Have you ever tried Paxman horns that are been produced now-a-days? Is the
quality going down hill?

Engelbert, Alexander and Lawson are "boutique" horns very well accepted, but
it's hard to find people that play with a Finke horn. Are they underrated?

Thanks

Robson

P.S. When I say "boutique" horns I'm not bashing the producer I'm just
saying that they have a small production and a very high price tag...We
trumpet players also have "boutique" trumpets (Monette, Taylor, Thein,
Blackburn, Calicchio...)
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Re: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Is there any other horn player that record Neruda on the original octave?
I'm saying that because once I listened a CD that was recorded 1 octave
lower than what Ifor James played.

Robson

P.S. Ifor's recording is amazing...the more I listen the more I want to
listen! What a Player!

2009/4/25 Prof.Hans Pizka 

> Hey folks, you seem all not having any idea about these baroque époque &
> the
> horn pieces of that time, nor about the playing technique of that period.
> The high f3 written for the E-flat horn was a regular note for any "high
> horn player", just a normal peak note. And it was much easier reachable
> than
> on modern horns or modern descant or modern super-sopranino-sport-models.
> The 22nd harmonic note cannot be (useable) reached on the descant horn, yes
> the same pitch can be achieved, but would be just the 11th natural pitch on
> a descant-Eb. But the 22nd natural pitch OFD the descant horn cannot be
> achieved. So the highest note in the Neruda be the same as the high Eb in
> Webers concertino. It is a solo concerto for the real soloist & not for the
> "want-to-be-soloist-at-home". Punctum. It has to be said, if people out
> there critic one of the masters of our instrument.
>
> It does not matter regarding clean technique, if you use a high F, a high
> Eb
> or a high Bb-soprano. It is a brain thing, just brain gymnastic. It is horn
> players daily business (transposing, no matter what kind of noise making
> instrument you put at your lips !). That´s for the trumpeter asking about
> the Neruda piece.
>
> Surely, if the embouchure is excellent & light (according to soloist
> standards not the average tooter), you can play this piece on a modern
> single Bb, but it would sound much better (lighter) on a combined Bb-high
> F.
>
>
> If one critics Ifor, one has to remember, at what age he recorded this
> piece. It was in the later period of his life, when he suffered on the same
> illness, which killed him finally. It happen eventually, that I had one of
> the many of our long phone conversations just two days or one day before he
> left us forever. Anyhow, I keep his recordings as treasures, as they are
> full of great musicianship.
>
> And playing the Neruda be very hard ? Why ? It has to be played very light.
> I once recorded four of these kind baroque concertos within a three hour
> session for the Austrian Radio (two concertos by Knechtel, Foerster no.2 &
> Molter, all four going up to the stratospheres, with the limit of the
> written g3. But that is not for people, who struggle playing written g2
> (F-horn notation) twice in a row, BUT PERFECT.
>
> 
> =======
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu
> [mailto:horn-bounces+hans =pizka...@music.memphis.edu]
> Im Auftrag von Robson
> Adabo de Mello
> Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2009 20:32
> An: The Horn List
> Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda
>
> What did you find in your research? Did you find something else to listen?
>
> If it can be played on a Bb trumpet it also can be played on a Bb soprano
> horn, but could it be played on a regular high F descant horn (or maybe a
> high Eb descant horn) with clean articulation as he played?
>
> Robson
>
> 2009/4/25 
>
> > I did some more research (and some more listening) and what I think it
> has
> > to be is a valved Corno da Caccia - why? Because it's obviously a short
> > instrument, and second because the timbre is very close to a Flugelhorn
> to
> > my
> > ears.
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Is there anybody here that has ever tried a Bb/bb horn? I know that Paxman
and Finke have a Bb/bb (both model 60).

Once I heard that the Eb high horns that Engelbert is producing are better
because the high Eb is not so different from the Bb like the high F, so it's
possible to have more uniform transition. Is it possible to use the Bb/bb as
a double horn or the difference between Bb and bb is to big to make it
possible?

Did he played everything on the high Bb side of the horn?
Robson

2009/4/25 David A. Jewell 

> that's my understanding of the Paxman instrument.  As an aside, Barry
> Tuckwell recorded the Zelenka Capriccios on the same model instrument.
> Paxmaha
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Steve Freides 
> To: The Horn List 
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
>
> Paul, does that mean it had a low Bb side that's the same as the Bb
> side of a standard double, and then another Bb side that's one octave
> higher, which is what people here have, I think, been calling Bb
> soprano?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -S-
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:26 PM,   wrote:
> > I went to Ifor James for coaching when I was working on the Neruda
> concerto.
> >
> > He recorded it on a Paxman Bb/ Bb alto horn.
> >
> > Paul Navarro
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Dutton 
> > To: horn@music.memphis.edu
> > Sent: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 4:50 pm
> > Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
> >
> > The Ifor James recording is very nice.  The liner notes state the
> > Neruda was recorded on a high Bb horn.  It could be played on any horn
> > that one could get the desired tone color from.  Using a shorter horn
> > doesn't make it easier to hit a note, it just shifts the partials
> > further apart.  The piece can be played on an f alto horn and it could
> > be played on a normal Bb single (5.5 feet long more or less).  Long
> > story short is that if you don't have the chops to play that high with
> > a good sound then a shorter horn isn't going to help.
> >
> > Ifor James was a monster of a player and musician.  For many years he
> > played a single Bb horn of one type or another.  He stated that he
> > played the horn because he could not sing and that if he could sing he
> > would never have played the horn.  The Neruda was recorded 10 February
> > 1987 and no doubt on 1/2" tape.
> >
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Re: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

What did you find in your research? Did you find something else to listen?

If it can be played on a Bb trumpet it also can be played on a Bb soprano
horn, but could it be played on a regular high F descant horn (or maybe a
high Eb descant horn) with clean articulation as he played?

Robson

2009/4/25 

> I did some more research (and some more listening) and what I think it has
> to be is a valved Corno da Caccia - why? Because it's obviously a short
> instrument, and second because the timbre is very close to a Flugelhorn to
> my
> ears.
>
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Re: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I believe the Bb soprano horn has the same length of a Bb trumpet, is it
right?

I have played the 1st movement of Neruda on Bb trumpet and Eb trumpet and on
both all trills are valved.

We trumpet players almost never use lip trill on valved trumpet (but it's
used on Natural/Baroque trumpet)...that's why I don't know how to identify
lip and machine trill. To me it sounds like a machine trill, but I'm not
sure...

2009/4/25 

>
> That sounds like a Bb soprano to me.
>
> -William
>
> In a message dated 4/25/2009 12:12:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  robson.ad...@gmail.com writes:
>
> It took  a long long time to find, but it's  here:
>
> http://mp3zr.com/?q=ifor+james+neruda
>
> Ifor James playing  the first movement of Neruda Concerto on the original
> octave. If I'm not  wrong this Concerto was written for corno da caccia,
> but
> now-a-days it's  commonly played by trumpet players.
>
> The sound is too light to be a  regular double horn, for sure it's descant
> horn or a soprano horn. Can you  identify the horn by the sound? Is he
> using
> valve or lip  trill?
>
> Thanks and enjoy!
>
> Robson
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[Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

It took a long long time to find, but it's here:

http://mp3zr.com/?q=ifor+james+neruda

Ifor James playing the first movement of Neruda Concerto on the original
octave. If I'm not wrong this Concerto was written for corno da caccia, but
now-a-days it's commonly played by trumpet players.

The sound is too light to be a regular double horn, for sure it's descant
horn or a soprano horn. Can you identify the horn by the sound? Is he using
valve or lip trill?

Thanks and enjoy!

Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] Doubt about transposing

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I got it!

Always F. Always F!

Can you say a little be more of those exceptions (Professor Schmutzig and
Prof I.M.G.)?

Thanks

2009/4/23 John Dutton 

> quote:   But what if the player is using a single Bb horn (4 valves)? The
> intonation will be the same if you think in F or in Bb... What's the best
> choice in this case?
>
> 
>
> You are making this much harder than it needs to be.  A horn player
> ALWAYS reads his part with reference to horn in F.  If the part is
> written out in Eb he transposes.  If the part is written out in Bb or
> H he transposes.  If he is playing a single Bb in three valve or four
> valve or the Sansone model five valve, the reference is still horn in
> F and he transposes.  If he is playing a Schmid triple with high Eb he
> is still thinking like an F horn player.  The only exceptions are
> Professor Schmutzig who passed away several months ago and Prof I.M.G.
> who no one is really sure what is going to happen.
>
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Re: [Hornlist] Doubt about transposing

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you Steve

But what if the player is using a single Bb horn (4 valves)? The
intonation will be the same if you think in F or in Bb... What's the best
choice in this case?

Thank you very much

Robson

2009/4/23 Steve Freides 

> Horn players are taught to read horn in F and transpose from there,
> and the valve that switches between the sides of a double horn is
> treated as just another valve.
>
> There are exceptions, of course, and I even happen to be one of them,
> and I can't say whether my generalization above is true outside of my
> own, limited experience here in the US.
>
> It's worth noting, however, that some trumpet fingerings won't
> necessarily transfer well to the horn, e.g., playing a concert middle
> C is more often done as 1 on a Bb French Horn (where it's often flat,
> I might add) rather than the 13 used on the trumpet (and this one is
> often too sharp on the French Horn).  The only concert middle C that
> plays in tune on my current double is open on the F side of the horn.
>
> -S-
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Robson Adabo de Mello
>  wrote:
> > If you are going to play something written for Bb instrument, like the
> > second voice a trumpet duet or something written for natural Bb horn, do
> you
> > use the Bb side of you double horn and play what is written without
> > transposing or you transpose and play everything with regular F/Bb
> > fingering?
> >
> >
> >
> > I have the same question about high baroque concertos. I know that
> > now-a-days high Eb horns are very popular (especially Engelbert Schmid).
> If
> > you are going to play a high baroque piece written for Eb horn... Do you
> > play it using just the Eb side of you triple/descant without transposing
> or
> > you transpose and play with regular fingering?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> >
> >
> > Robson
> >
> >
> > P.S. I’m a trumpet player, that’s why I have so many basic questions
> about
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[Hornlist] Doubt about transposing

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

If you are going to play something written for Bb instrument, like the
second voice a trumpet duet or something written for natural Bb horn, do you
use the Bb side of you double horn and play what is written without
transposing or you transpose and play everything with regular F/Bb
fingering?



I have the same question about high baroque concertos. I know that
now-a-days high Eb horns are very popular (especially Engelbert Schmid). If
you are going to play a high baroque piece written for Eb horn... Do you
play it using just the Eb side of you triple/descant without transposing or
you transpose and play with regular fingering?



Thank you very much



Robson


P.S. I’m a trumpet player, that’s why I have so many basic questions about
horn playing.
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Re: [Hornlist] metronome

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Korg MA 30 is great, but for few bucks more you can get a Korg TM 40 that is
also a tuner. I know that you said that it's not necessary but I think it
does worth.

Robson

2009/4/22 Michiel van der Linden 

> A simple Korg MA 30 with more than enough functions for most of us can be
> had for $15-25 either online or in most local music shops.
> I have one and are very happy with it. It can be set loud enough to be
> heard
> over your own playing and has several options of rhythmic subdivions.
>
> Michiel van der Linden
> Bruges, Belgium
>  On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 22:15, joey horn guy  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I haven't bought a metronome in years, and now I need a new one.  There
> > seems to be many on the market these days with a wide price range.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good metronome (doesn't have to have tuning
> > capabilities) for under $100?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
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Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

>
> You're forgetting about an important difference between the horn and
> the trumpet - because the horn plays higher in the overtone series,
> making more notes possible, there is less need for a horn pitched in a
> specific key.  People used to, e.g., have an Eb crook for their F
> horns, but almost no one makes a horn that way any longer.
>
>
>

I was forgetting about this "detail"...For sure on the horn you have much
more alternative fingering than on the trumpet.

I love the baroque music and from what I know the majority of horn concertos
are in D and Eb major. The fingering of Eb concertos must be very easy, but
I suspect that the fingering of D major concertos are not so easy. Generally
speaking... Do people use the A valve to help on the fingering of D major
concertos, or not?

Thank you for your kindness

Robson

P.S. This horn list is very very good. A lot of informed and kind
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

It must be something like that:

http://hornplayer.net/images/forsale/8721.jpg

Robson



Hi David,

The answer to your question is sometimes.

Both Paxman and Alexander offer  (as an extra accessory), a slide with a
manual change valve.
With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With
the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A
slide for stopping.

Some other makers also have this option available.

Paul Navarro
Custom Horn
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Like this one?
http://www.finkehorns.de/Bilder/Horns/B-Horn-5valves-big.jpg

It seens to be a 2 pieces stopping valve. Probably the middle piece is
removable...

2009/4/16 Dan Phillips 

>
> On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, David A. Jewell wrote:
>
>  Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can
>> choose between stopping and A horn.
>>
>> Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra
>> length?
>>
>
> No. The slide is in two pieces. One serves as an extension to a normal
> valve slide; with the extension in place the valve lowers the pitch 3/4
> step, take it out and it lowers the pitch a half step.
>
> Dan
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Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Nice!

I was searching and found that Kalison has a descant with stopping valve on
2 sides. It's the model L22.

http://www.netupandgo.com/frenchhorns/kshtoorder.htm


2009/4/16 

> The Alexander 104 and 1104 have A+/E 5th  valves. Just same as  103 and
> 1103 but with 5th valve, two thumb triggers.  musik-alexander.de
>
>
> In a message dated 4/16/2009 4:06:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>  dcr...@willamette.edu writes:
>
> then  there was the rotor change valve to E (operated with a sort of
> switch) on  the main turning slide of some old C F Schmidts
>
> Dave
> > At 6:25 PM  -0300 4/16/09, Robson Adabo de Mello wrote:
> >>Can the stopping valve  be used on difficult passages or concertos on
> >>non-friendly keys,  like E major?
> >
> > Sure, no reason not to.
> >
> > By the  way, will someone please tell me which of
> > the hundreds of horn  concertos are written for
> > stopped horn?
> >
> >
> >>If  the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb
> >>  side?
> >
> > Because stopping, done properly, raises the  pitch
> > of the F horn a half step. On the Bb side, the
> > same  stopped hand position raises the pitch more
> > than a half step,  therefore, a stopping valve is
> > offered on some  horns.
> >
> >
> >>Is it necessary to play the whole concerto  on the Bb (A) side?
> >
> > No. Again, someone clue me in on what  concerto
> > (I'm after only one) is for stopped horn
> > throughout.  Yeah, I know you're a trumpet player.
> > Okay, then, I'll settle for a  trumpet concerto
> > written for muted  trumpet.
> >
> >
> >>Is there any
> >>double horn with  stopping valve on both sides?
> >
> > I've never seen one, but I  haven't seen all the horns that are out
> there.
> >
> >
> >>Is  there any double descant
> >>with stopping valve on both  sides?
> >
> > I would say this would not be applicable since
> >  these horns (I assume you mean high F and high
> > Bb, same as a Bb  trumpet) would not be used for
> > pieces requiring stopped notes. As in  Baroque
> > music.
> >
> > Actually, maybe someone can answer this  question.
> > Why do descants in Bb and high F sometimes have
> >  stopping valves when one can stop on the high F
> > side just fine,  fingering a whole step lower?
> >
> > --
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[Hornlist] Stopping valve

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Just curious...



Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on
non-friendly keys, like E major?



If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb side?
Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? Is there any
double horn with stopping valve on both sides? Is there any double descant
with stopping valve on both sides?



Like I said I’m a trumpet player... trumpets are almost always offered in
various keys, specially smaller trumpets, for instance: D/Eb trumpet, Bb/A
piccolo trumpet. Some times they are offered even in 3 keys G/A/Bb piccolo
trumpet...



If it’s concerto for D trumpet, the best choice is the A piccolo

If it’s concerto for F trumpet, the best choice is the Bb piccolo

If it’s concerto for C trumpet, the best choice is the G piccolo, but if you
don’t have it the Bb/A can be used.



I’m talking about high baroque pieces, that’s why I’m talking about piccolo
trumpet.



Thank you very much



Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Bob

For sure you have the closest thing from a comparator in the market. From
what I know you have a great number of scanned mouthpieces on your
HD...maybe in the future you can offer a horn version of the Kanstul
Mouthpiece Comparator.

Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I’m just figuring out where I can find information about mouthpieces.



In fact I’m not a horn player, I’m a trumpet player, but I really like the
horn, specially the high baroque pieces.



Once my father-in-law, that is a horn player, was looking for a mouthpiece
with the following characteristics: small, shallow, small bore, wide rim and
not very expensive...if I had a Kanstul horn mouthpiece comparator I would
be much more confident on my tip. I recommended a Schilke nº 28 and he just
loved and uses it as his main mouthpiece... but I’m not always that lucky!



Thank you for the Moosewood tip, Tom is a very nice guy. I have a Moosewood
D-12...it’s strange I know, but I will explain: to buy a trumpet mouthpiece
is something very easy, it’s possible to find whatever you are looking for,
but to a buy a flugelhorn mouthpiece is something much harder. In the past I
was using a Bach 1C that has a cup very similar to a descant horn
mouthpiece, but I was not satisfied with the sound. I decided to buy a
deeper mouthpiece and found Flip Oakes nº 1 that has a cup very close to the
medium horn mouthpiece, but with a bowl shape and the result was
impressing...my sound was much better with this mouthpiece. I decided to
give the next step, but the only way to try a deeper mouthpiece was to adapt
a horn mouthpiece. The result was good, even better sound, but I had some
problems with intonation, caused by the unappropriated mouthpiece shank.



Thank you



Robson


P.S. Once I tried my Moosewood on a horn and I was satisfied with the
results.
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Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Dave



Nothing is better than play testing the mouthpiece, but if you live in
Brazil (like I do) this kind of information is very important. If I want o
to try a mouthpiece here, I need to buy. We don’t have large stores like
Osmun, Rayburn, Dillon Music... In fact the biggest music store here in São
Paulo is not working anymore with french horn mouthpieces (because they use
to sell just a couple every year).



When you read mouthpiece specifications you can see the diameter of the
mouthpiece, if the rim is flat or round, thin or thick and if the cup is
deep or shallow, but sometimes this kind of information is very confusing.
What is deep for a company can be just medium for the other.



Kanstul link will never substitute play testing the mouthpiece, but it can
give good tips for people that need to buy without testing it. I believe
that the behavior of the mouthpiece is at least partially predictable.



Sorry Dave, but what kind of asymmetries are you talking about? I didn’t
get.


Robson

2009/4/14 Brass Arts Unlimited 

> >> It's a very interesting link for trumpet players:
> [link deleted]
> Is there anything similar for horn mouthpieces?  <<
>
> I find it interesting when you use the Kanstul mouthpiece comparator that
> there are asymmetries in the profiles, which one can only assume are
> derived
> from Kanstul's own CNC machining programs.  Artifacts of aliasing the
> curves, perhaps?
>
> BTW, what would this tell you about how the mouthpiece performs?  If this
> were available for horn mouthpieces, how much useful information would you
> get from it?
>
> Regards,
> Dave Weiner
> Brass Arts Unlimited
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Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

They even have a backbore comparator:

http://kanstul.net/mpcJN/Compare%20BB/CompareIEbb.htm

It's much harder to see the differences, but it works.

Charts and tables are good just to give an idea of the size and shape of the
mouthpiece, but a scanned mouthpiece is much more real...
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[Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

It's a very interesting link for trumpet players:

http://www.kanstul.net/mpcJN/Compare.htm

Is there anything similar for horn mouthpieces?

Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] J.D. Shaw: horn and trumpet player

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

>From what I know Maurice Andre also played trumpet and french horn on the
same CD. Brandenburg 1 & 2.



http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/andre/db/show.php?&id=102


Unhappily I never had the opportunity to listen this CD.



2009/4/7 Artturi Lehtiö 

> Sadly, no. But you can find out more about Jukka aswell as The Golden Horns
> -quartet at 
>
> Artturi Lehtiö
> Finland
>
> Robson Adabo de Mello wrote:
>
>> Lawrence and Artturi. Do you have any video or sound sample of this guys?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m a trumpet player and I can assure you that the second brandenburg is
>> not
>> everyone, just very high level trumpeters can play it! What the name of
>> this
>> flexible guy?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that David Guerrier is great on both. Great solo trumpet player and
>> first horn on Orchestre National de France... poor guy...
>>
>>
>> J.D. Shaw impressed me with a very fast transition (not even a warm up on
>> the other instrument), and since the first note he produced the proper
>> sound.
>>
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Re: [Hornlist] J.D. Shaw: horn and trumpet player

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Lawrence and Artturi. Do you have any video or sound sample of this guys?



I’m a trumpet player and I can assure you that the second brandenburg is not
everyone, just very high level trumpeters can play it! What the name of this
flexible guy?



I know that David Guerrier is great on both. Great solo trumpet player and
first horn on Orchestre National de France... poor guy...


J.D. Shaw impressed me with a very fast transition (not even a warm up on
the other instrument), and since the first note he produced the proper
sound.



2009/4/7 Lawrence Yates 

> I once did a gig with a fairly well known horn player in the north of
> England. We were playing  Strauss's Don Quixote  The weekend before he had
> played first horn in Brandenburg 1.  The following weekend he was playing
> trumpet in Brandenburg 2.  In Don Quixote he was playing euphonium.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
>
> Lawrenceyates.co.uk 
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[Hornlist] J.D. Shaw: horn and trumpet player

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgRBXIHJPLA

J.D. Shaw (the Boston Brass horn player) can change to trumpet in the middle
of the song and he sounds great on both of then.

Do you know anybody else that can double like that?

Robson
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[Hornlist] Good experience with David Thompson store

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Good experience with David Thompson store



As soon as I posted my last topic "Bad experience with David Thompson
store", David sent my an e-mail and said that he would send my a replacement
for free. I just received my Hindemith today!



Thank you Dave!


My advice is: never use shipping methods without track and trace
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Re: [Hornlist] Bad experience with David Thompson store

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

During this period (8 months) I have sent him at least 7 e-mails, but no
answers at all.

Bad luck!? I don't think so...


2008/7/26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Wee everyone has an opinion,
>
> I have done business with Dave many times and no complaints, products
> delivered and e-mails answered.
>
> John Wilber
>
> Flagstaff AZ
>
>
> In a message dated 7/26/2008 2:15:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Hello  Guy
>
> I ordered the Hindemith Trumpet Sonata at David Thompson store and  I
> didn't
> receive it yet. I ordered it in November and I sent several  e-mails asking
> for track and trace number, but they were never  answered!
>
> I'm here not only to complain, but also to advise people that  they never
> give feed backs.
>
> Even if one day I receive the Sonata I  will never again buy at David
> Thompson store.
>
> Take  care
>
> Robson
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[Hornlist] Bad experience with David Thompson store

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hello Guy

I ordered the Hindemith Trumpet Sonata at David Thompson store and I didn't
receive it yet. I ordered it in November and I sent several e-mails asking
for track and trace number, but they were never answered!

I'm here not only to complain, but also to advise people that they never
give feed backs.

Even if one day I receive the Sonata I will never again buy at David
Thompson store.

Take care

Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you guy very much



Peter, I'm not that busy, because I've been in all that websites
before...They are great, but like you said, the main topic is the history of
the WT. I'm looking now for some sound samples.



I just have that video of Bruckner Symphony nº 7. Can you tell me which is
the Symphony with the largest WT passege? Is there any video on the net?



Once again thank you very much



Robson


2008/4/12, Robson Adabo de Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Thank you guy very much
>
> Peter, I'm not that busy, because I've been in all that websites
> before...They are great, but like you said, the main topic is the history of
> the WT. I'm looking now for some sound samples.
>
> I just have that video of Bruckner Symphony nº 7. Can you tell me which is
> the Symphony with the largest WT passege? Is there any video on the net?
>
> Once again thank you very much
>
> Robson
>
>
> 2008/4/11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Robson,
> >
> > Though it is primarily an historical study and not a guide to playing,
> > William Melton's series of articles in the Horn Call (published in
> > various
> > issues ca. 2002 - 2004) are must reading for getting the facts on the
> > Wagner tuba. I am surprised that Bill hasn't chimed in on this thread. I
> > don't know how much this intersects with or duplicates his articles, but
> > there is a ton of info from him at:
> >
> > http://www.wagner-tuba.com/wagnertuba_melton/melton_intro.htm
> >
> > I also see an article by bill at:
> > http://www.draeseke.org/essays/wmtuba.htm
> > that explores one of the rare sightings of the WT outside of Wagner,
> > Bruckner, Strauss. Further links are:
> >
> > http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi2341.htm (includes audio)
> >
> > http://www.public.asu.edu/~jqerics/Wagner-tuba.html
> >
> > http://www.hornplanet.com/hornpage/museum/history/horn_history5.html
> >
> > That should keep you busy for a while,
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter Hirsch
> >
> >
> > >message: 4
> > >date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:50:49 -0300
> > >from: "Robson Adabo de Mello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
> > >
> > >I'm just curious about this instrument. You know, it's a little rare
> > and I
> > >think this list is the best place to obtain information.
> > >
> > >Few times in my life I had opportunity to play a french horn. In the
> > >beginning I had strange feeling that the attacks were not so clear like
> > I
> > >had in my trumpet. The tessitura was much bigger and I had a different
> > >feeling on my lips ...
> > >
> > >I never had the opportunity to play a WT, but for sure I won't miss
> > when I
> > >have it!
> > >
> > >I feel that the sound of the WT is much darker than the horn and also a
> > >little louder. What about extreme registers (high and low), is it
> > harder
> > on
> > >the WT? What about articulation, is it harder the get a clear
> > articulation?
> > >
> > >Thank you very much
> > >
> > >Robson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

I'm just curious about this instrument. You know, it's a little rare and I
think this list is the best place to obtain information.

Few times in my life I had opportunity to play a french horn. In the
beginning I had strange feeling that the attacks were not so clear like I
had in my trumpet. The tessitura was much bigger and I had a different
feeling on my lips ...

I never had the opportunity to play a WT, but for sure I won't miss when I
have it!

I feel that the sound of the WT is much darker than the horn and also a
little louder. What about extreme registers (high and low), is it harder on
the WT? What about articulation, is it harder the get a clear articulation?

Thank you very much

Robson




2008/4/10, Francois Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> Hello
>
> You can see a wagner tube from Ricco Kuhn at http://www.ricco-kuehn.de/
>
> in the section product
>
> I ask Ricco to build one for me, and i have this beautifull Wagner tuba
>
> I thing that i am the only amateur hornplayer with a Wagner tuba.
>
> It is easy to play, as the Pizka horn it easy ...
>
> François Lefebvre
> Québec> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:05:13 -0300> From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu> Subject: Re:
> [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba> > Thank you Paul and Hans for the great
> information.> > I have seen this videos and it's possible to see a little of
> the Wagner> tuba.> > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ASRaHKOj0> >
> http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=vlysW-I62bE> >
> http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Nps1LMpzQCw> >
> http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=45RMIy2ZuKI> > >From what I can see they are
> using Engelbert Schmid Wagner Tubas (the bell> is bent to the left side)> >
> Is there any other video on YouTube with a little bit more of the WT?> > I
> know a website called http://www.wagner-tuba.com/ that has a lot of>
> information about WT, including a piece called "5 Dramatic Pieces for 8>
> Wagner Tubas" written by Andrew Downes, but I haven't found any discography>
> > Thank you very much for the help> > Robson Adabo de Mello> > Ps. Reinhold
> Friedrich did a great job leading the trumpet section...you> know I'm a
> trumpet player> > > > 2008/4/10, Paul Rincon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:>
> >> > There is an LP with Roland Berger and Roland Horvath (both ex-members
> of> > the> > Vienna Philharmonic) where they play some Wagner Tuba/Viennese
> horn> > concertos.> >> > I think the LP is called "Contemporary Viennese
> Music for Horn and Wagner> > Tuba"...Although I'm not sure. Hans knows it
> surely, as it is the one> > where> > Roland and Roland look like they belong
> in "La Cosa Nostra".> >> >> > Paul> >> >> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:04 AM,
> hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > If you play a Wagnertuba the way most
> people play the Horn> > > today (and they press a lot of air through the
> instrument),> > > the Wagnertuba tends to blair too loud. So the approach
> is> > > quite different. As the holding position is different also,> > > one
> has to hold he WT in a way, that the axle through mouth> > > & lead pipe is
> NOT bent, a position quite not so> > > comfortable.> > >> > > Yes,
> intonation is different & somewhat problematic due to> > > the open bell-
> One has to use some alternative fingerings> > > when playing certain chords.
> Some malers tried to make the> > > WT with a much wider bell like a
> tenorhorn to get an easier> > > intonation, but ruined all the sound colours
> so important> > > for the WT.> > >> > > The double tuba produced by
> Alexander is a versatile> > > instrument but lacks all characteristics of
> both the F & the> > > Bb tuba, which were built with different bell
> dimensions,> > > the F much wider than the Bb.> > >> > > The WT is not a
> solo instrument, beeing played for a> > > concerto with orchestra
> accompaniment, while there is a> > > concerto by Jan Koetsier, who has
> composed a lot for horn.> > > The euphonium or the tenor horn would be a
> much better> > > choice as solo instrument. If I would be a composer, I
> would> > > refran from composing a solo for the rather clumsy WT but> > >
> use it in a set of two or four to express certain serenity,> > > solemn
> impressions, ferocity, etc. according to the examples> > > set by R.Wagner,
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Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you Paul and Hans for the great information.

I have seen this videos and it's possible to see a little of the Wagner
tuba.

 http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ASRaHKOj0

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=vlysW-I62bE

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Nps1LMpzQCw

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=45RMIy2ZuKI

>From what I can see they are using Engelbert Schmid Wagner Tubas (the bell
is bent to the left side)

Is there any other video on YouTube with a little bit more of the WT?

I know a website called http://www.wagner-tuba.com/ that has a lot of
information about WT, including a piece called "5 Dramatic Pieces for 8
Wagner Tubas" written by Andrew Downes, but I haven't found any discography

Thank you very much for the help

Robson Adabo de Mello

Ps. Reinhold Friedrich did a great job leading the trumpet section...you
know I'm a trumpet player



2008/4/10, Paul Rincon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> There is an LP with Roland Berger and Roland Horvath (both ex-members of
> the
> Vienna Philharmonic) where they play some Wagner Tuba/Viennese horn
> concertos.
>
> I think the LP is called "Contemporary Viennese Music for Horn and Wagner
> Tuba"...Although I'm not sure. Hans knows it surely, as it is the one
> where
> Roland and Roland look like they belong in "La Cosa Nostra".
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:04 AM, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If you play a Wagnertuba the way most people play the Horn
> > today (and they press a lot of air through the instrument),
> > the Wagnertuba tends to blair too loud. So the approach is
> > quite different. As the holding position is different also,
> > one has to hold he WT in a way, that the axle through mouth
> > & lead pipe is NOT bent, a position quite not so
> > comfortable.
> >
> > Yes, intonation is different & somewhat problematic due to
> > the open bell- One has to use some alternative fingerings
> > when playing certain chords. Some malers tried to make the
> > WT with a much wider bell like a tenorhorn to get an easier
> > intonation, but ruined all the sound colours so important
> > for the WT.
> >
> > The double tuba produced by Alexander is a versatile
> > instrument but lacks all characteristics of both the F & the
> > Bb tuba, which were built with different bell dimensions,
> > the F much wider than the Bb.
> >
> > The WT is not a solo instrument, beeing played for a
> > concerto with orchestra accompaniment, while there is a
> > concerto by Jan Koetsier, who has composed a lot for horn.
> > The euphonium or the tenor horn would be a much better
> > choice as solo instrument. If I would be a composer, I would
> > refran from composing a solo for the rather clumsy WT but
> > use it in a set of two or four to express certain serenity,
> > solemn impressions, ferocity, etc. according to the examples
> > set by R.Wagner, R.Strauss, A.Bruckner & a lot of soundtrack
> > composers.
> >
> > 
> > 
> > ==
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:horn-bounces+hans  =
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:59 PM
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> > Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
> >
> > Hello Guys
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm a trumpet player, so if some of my questions are too
> > basic I need to say "I'm sorry".
> >
> >
> >
> > - Is it much different to play a french horn and wagner
> > tuba?
> >
> >
> >
> > - The wagner tuba has a problematic intonation or it's just
> > different from the horn because it has a open bell?
> >
> >
> >
> > - The Alexander is the most used brand of wagner tuba? The
> > model 110 is Bb/F or F/Bb?
> >
> >
> >
> > -Is there any solo video or CD with Wagner tuba? (When I say
> > solo I mean in front of the orchestra)
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> >
> > Robson
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[Hornlist] Wagner Tuba

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hello Guys



I'm a trumpet player, so if some of my questions are too basic I need to say
"I'm sorry".



- Is it much different to play a french horn and wagner tuba?



- The wagner tuba has a problematic intonation or it's just different from
the horn because it has a open bell?



- The Alexander is the most used brand of wagner tuba? The model 110 is Bb/F
or F/Bb?



-Is there any solo video or CD with Wagner tuba? (When I say solo I mean in
front of the orchestra)



Thank you very much


Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] Bach - B minor Mass - 11 - Quoniam tu solus sanctus

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you Bob

Is it an old Alexander model? I can see that it's not the modern model 105.

http://p30983.typo3server.info/typo3temp/pics/b7137273e0.jpg

On Baumann's horn the position of the bell tale on the 3rd valve is the same
used on model 99.

http://p30983.typo3server.info/typo3temp/pics/497d0b2c47.jpg

Thank you very much

Robson




2008/2/29, Robert Osmun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi Robson,
>
> The horn is an Alexander f alto descant.  And that is some truly wonderful
> hornplaying.
>
> Bob Osmun
> www.osmun.com
>
> PS-To Richard Burdick: VMI and Hoyer are both brand names owned by JA
> Musik.
> After reunification Gerhard Meinl bought up most of the small makers in
> and
> around Markneukirchen and reasssembled them under one roof. They're really
> trying hard to make a high quality product.
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Robson
> Adabo de Mello
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:41 AM
> To: The Horn List
> Subject: [Hornlist] Bach - B minor Mass - 11 - Quoniam tu solus sanctus
>
> What's the horn that Hermann Baumann is using on this video? Is it a G
> descant horn? What's the brand?
>
> Bach - B minor Mass - 11 - Quoniam tu solus sanctus
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DYhyiJtoE
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Robson
>
> Ps. Do you have any other video with descant horn?
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[Hornlist] Bach - B minor Mass - 11 - Quoniam tu solus sanctus

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

What's the horn that Hermann Baumann is using on this video? Is it a G
descant horn? What's the brand?

 Bach - B minor Mass - 11 - Quoniam tu solus sanctus

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DYhyiJtoE

Thank you very much

Robson

Ps. Do you have any other video with descant horn?
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[Hornlist] Re: A Photo Study of 40 Virtuoso Horn Players' Embouchures

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you very much!!!

Even Barry Tuckwell! Nice!


2007/10/4, Robson Adabo de Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hello guys
>
> I just received my book "A Photo Study of 40 Virtuoso Horn Players'
> Embouchures" and I'm really curious to know who is who in that pictures
> collection. Who are the horn players pictured in this book? What's the
> number of each one?
>
> I know just that John Cerminaro was one of the "virtuoso horn players",
> but I don't know the number of his pictures.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Robson
>
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[Hornlist] A Photo Study of 40 Virtuoso Horn Players' Embouchures

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hello guys

I just received my book "A Photo Study of 40 Virtuoso Horn Players'
Embouchures" and I'm really curious to know who is who in that pictures
collection. Who are the horn players pictured in this book? What's the
number of each one?

I know just that John Cerminaro was one of the "virtuoso horn players", but
I don't know the number of his pictures.

Thank you very much

Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Highest note

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

What about Peter Damm's "Laudatio - Musik für Horn und Orgel". He is using
a High F/High Bb. Is it so high?

I heard that Tuckwell recorded Zelenka Capricci with a special Paxman,
also High F/High Bb. What's the highest of Zelenka?
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Re: [Hornlist] Highest note

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hans

I'm asking about the highest note in literature and of course I mean the
absolute highest, not the highest
harmonic.

What's the highest note of Zelenka? What about Neruda?

Thank you very much

Robson


2007/5/30, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


This is not important at all. But highest note in literature
is important, e.g. G.A.Knechtel Concerto ex Dis, up to
written g3 = our f3 on F-Horn, concert bb2. And all is
relative. Depends on what kind of a horn you play up. Are
you going for the absolute highest ?  Or for the highest
harmonic ? Highest harmonic used is the 24rth written g3,
but for horn in Eb or D only. G-horn goes up to the 18th or
so.

Some Jazz horn players & classic horn players might reach up
to the 32nd harmonic (double high c  = f3 concert) but
whistling only, not a real tone & only by chance on very
good days.

Wait until Nov.1st, when I will breach the altitude record
for horn playing, wait & see it in Youtube then. No joke !




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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Highest note

>I would like to know what's the highest note recorded by a
horn player?

I don't know for sure, but it should be written in the
Guiness book of records.

I read that in the London Horn Sound CD there is an A3
played by Philip Eastop.

Daniel
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[Hornlist] Ifor James and Neruda

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hello

Do you know what's the equipment that Ifor James used to record Neruda?
Is there any other horn player that recorded this piece?

That you very much

Robson
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[Hornlist] Highest note

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hello Guys

I love the repertoire written for corno da caccia and I know that this
repertoire was recorded by both horn players and trumpet players. I would
like to know what's the highest note recorded by a horn player?

I know that some of that pieces are really high, like Zelenka Capricci, Bach
Cantatas, Neruda...But what's the the highest piece?

Thank you very much

Robson
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Re: [Hornlist] RE: Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you guys for the answers.

The descant has a lighter sound that is more appropriated for the baroque
era. Now I have another question. Why does it happen?

Is the reason the smaller bore size?
Is the reason the smaller bell?
Is the reason the lighter weight (because it doesn't have the low F side)?

I'm asking becouse some brands like Yamaha produce al the models, including
the descant, with the same bore. Some other like Engelbert offer many bell
sizes, but they are interchangeable, for instance you can use a descant and
a double or triple with the same bell.

Sorry for too many technical questions, but I'm engineer

Once again thank you very much



2007/5/26, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Richard, you missed the question and my answer probably.
Playing high on a single Bb or on a double is not THAT
problem for a very good first horn, but getting the right
tone quality for baroque music is the other thing. The
descant is just for that & not to be used for things like
the Schumann or Sinfonia domestica. The descant is used for
sound reason. Well, there are some extremely high concertos
from PRE-Classic or late Baroque, which require the descant
for sound reason & for the extremely high tessitura, not for
single high notes.


===

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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 12:45 AM
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Is it necessary a descant when you
have a triple?

Robson Adabo de Mello wrote:
Hello Guy

Like I said before I'm not a horn play, I'm a trumpet
player, but I'm asking this question to my father-in-law.

He has a double King horn (I don't know the model), and now
he's trying to play some baroque pieces that are extremely
high. In his opinion his sound is too heavy with his regular
double.

He's thinking about getting a new horn and now he has a
doubt. When you have a triple is it necessary a descant? For
a person that has a double, is it better get a triple or a
descant?



One could hardly answer your question more eloquently than
Prof. Pizka's musical example. The suggestion to pull all
the F slides isn't all that practical, because, while it
lightens the sound, it also allows more leakage, so if the
horn is worn at all, it will tend to un-center it.

More to the point, a descant horn is all very well, but I
have heard some extraordinary high playing on single Bb
horns. Gail Williams did the 1st part on the Schumann
Konzertstück on single Bb with our orchestra many years ago,
and it was spectacular. If your father plays a King other
than the Eroica, a King model 1158 4 valve single Bb would
match the feel well with a lighter sound and very easy
response. There are a lot of them floating around - a very
nice one sold on eBay recently for less than $200. And of
course there are many other good single Bb horns around. The
Yamaha YHR-321 and -322 are very good and readily available
used for not too much money.

Richard Hirsh, Chicago

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Re: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Thank you for the tips guy.

I know that some horn players have both, the descant and the triple horn
(like Philip Myers, for instance). What's the advantage of the descant over
the triple? It's just the weight?


2007/5/24, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Just remove the Bb-slides & the extension or full slides for
the regular F-side. You get a single high-F with somewhat
more resonance due to the more weight. This is a good
compromise.


=

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Subject: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have
a triple?

Hello Guy

Like I said before I'm not a horn play, I'm a trumpet
player, but I'm asking this question to my father-in-law.

He has a double King horn (I don't know the model), and now
he's trying to play some baroque pieces that are extremely
high. In his opinion his sound is too heavy with his regular
double.

He's thinking about getting a new horn and now he has a
doubt. When you have a triple is it necessary a descant? For
a person that has a double, is it better get a triple or a
descant?

Thank you

Robson
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[Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hello Guy

Like I said before I'm not a horn play, I'm a trumpet player, but I'm asking
this question to my father-in-law.

He has a double King horn (I don't know the model), and now he's trying to
play some baroque pieces that are extremely high. In his opinion his sound
is too heavy with his regular double.

He's thinking about getting a new horn and now he has a doubt. When you have
a triple is it necessary a descant? For a person that has a double, is it
better get a triple or a descant?

Thank you

Robson
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[Hornlist] High Bb

[Robson Adabo de Mello]

Hello Guys

It's my first post here so let me introduce myself. My name is Robson and
I'm a trumpet player from Brazil. I'm here on this forum because I have many
doubts about descant horns. My father-in-law is also a amature musician and
he plays the french horn and he ask me a lot of things that I don't know how
to answer, so help me guys!

I have many instruments including a flugelhorn but I'm looking for even
darker sound like a corno da caccia. The most famous one is the Thein but
unhappily one of the most expensive.

http://www.thein-brass.de/index_en.php

I know that both Alexander and Finke have High Bb horns for horn players,
with left hand action. Have you tried the Finke 58 or the Alexander 99? Do
you know the specifications of this horns (bore, bell size, weight, ...)?

Thank you very much and sorry if there is something wrong with my english

Robson Adabo de Mello
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