RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Posthumous published ..(you know that, Jonathan !) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan West Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:06 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 2008/11/20 Robert Dickow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > His posthumous horn etudes > are interesting too by the way, I've been playing them a bit lately for > curiousity. I didn't know it was possible to compose after one had died. I thought one could only decompose. Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Lawrence Y wrote: * If instead you have a tenor or a soprano around (maybe you=20 did Auf dem Strom earlier in the program) you should perform my composition HIGGINS IS GONE. It's for high voice, violin, horn, and piano. Based on an amusing poem by Donald Justice. =20 Thompson Edition publishes it:=20 http://www.thompsonedition.com/product_detail.php?id=3D40683 There won't be a dry seat in the house. Just went, Cabbage In case you think Cabbage has pulled your leg by giving an invalid URL, delete the "3D" after "id=" and you will get to the right page. Same problem as in the video URLs once before. Don't ask me why! Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
2008/11/20 Robert Dickow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > His posthumous horn etudes > are interesting too by the way, I've been playing them a bit lately for > curiousity. I didn't know it was possible to compose after one had died. I thought one could only decompose. Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
These posthumous Etudes were for trumpet originally. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
> And I think it's time that I investigate Lilypond software for my own use. > A Lilypond question for anyone on this list who might use it - are there > any of us? How difficult would it be to take the existing ".ly" file for > horn and change it to print out the horn part for horn in C instead horn > in F or Eb? Not difficult. > I ask because it might be a good way for me to try to use Lilypond > software, which sounds interesting, for the first time, and I enjoy > reading > from concert pitch parts whenever I can. (It's really just the horn line > as > it appears in the piano score that I'd like to produce for myself.) I > learned computer programming this way - by taking someone else's work and > making small changes to it. I know basic Lilypond, and I'm extremely impressed at what it can do and at the quality of the scores it produces. If you can program then it should be pretty straightforward - it seems an order of magnitude easier than LaTex. There are some graphical interfaces too, though I've only ever written text files. If you're looking for a recording of the Brahms trio, try listening to the Ligeti trio too. It's not to everyone's tastes, but it is extremely impressive. I shall be looking up the trios Hans mentioned. For which, thanks. Kit ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Brahms did play horn a bit. I have a photo repro somewhere around here of him standing with his waldhorn amidst a group of other hornists from the Vienna Hornverein (not affiliated with IHS ;-). His posthumous horn etudes are interesting too by the way, I've been playing them a bit lately for curiousity. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music -Original Message- Also, whilst we're on the subject I'm sure I once heard that Brahms played the horn. I know his father did, but the biography I've read doesn't seem to mention whether he did too... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Lawrence Y wrote: It's for horn, violin and piano and it's hard! (for all three players) Last time I played it we had a cellist in tow to play trios in the rest of the programme. If you play have similar forces and want an encore I have an arrangement (very corny) of the Brahms Lullaby for horn, piano, violin and cello. Not a dry eye in the house. * If instead you have a tenor or a soprano around (maybe you did Auf dem Strom earlier in the program) you should perform my composition HIGGINS IS GONE. It's for high voice, violin, horn, and piano. Based on an amusing poem by Donald Justice. Thompson Edition publishes it: http://www.thompsonedition.com/product_detail.php?id=40683 There won't be a dry seat in the house. Just went, Cabbage ** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin =new-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Thank you - upon examination of the whole part, I'm quite sure it's too hard for me to play, but I will enjoy getting to know the piece for now and maybe trying to play some parts of it. -S- > -Original Message- > From: David A. Jewell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:32 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 > > the trio is also available on the IMSLP site, > http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page as a PDF file, as are > thousands of other full scores and parts. Many are also in > Finale and Sibelius formats also. Steve, as regards > Lilypond, I know of it but do not know anything about it. > Finale and Sibelius are by far the world's most popular > notation softwares, but there are others still out there as > well, Lilypond among them. > Paxmaha > > > > From: Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: The Horn List > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:46:38 AM > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 > > Thanks very much to everyone for their replies. > > Hans, a good suggestion - I will listen to a recording. I am > fortunate, I found out recently, that the college where I > teach has made all of its musical holding available online, > not to the public for free, but to faculty and students who > must sign in first. I will look this up there and give a listen. > > Kit, thank you very much for pointing this out. I've printed > out the Eb horn version and will play from that (good to keep > up my transposing skills and Eb is an easy one.) > > And I think it's time that I investigate Lilypond software > for my own use. A Lilypond question for anyone on this list > who might use it - are there any of us? How difficult would > it be to take the existing ".ly" file for horn and change it > to print out the horn part for horn in C instead horn in F or > Eb? I ask because it might be a good way for me to try to > use Lilypond software, which sounds interesting, for the > first time, and I enjoy reading from concert pitch parts > whenever I can. (It's really just the horn line as it > appears in the piano score that I'd like to produce for > myself.) I learned computer programming this way - by taking > someone else's work and making small changes to it. > > -S- > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kit Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:40 AM > > To: The Horn List > > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 > > > > The piece is now out of copyright and can be downloaded for free: > > > > http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=833 > > > > Kit > > > > > Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? > > From what I > > > see online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, > violin, and a > > > third instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this > > > piece usually performed? > > > > > > I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the > Andante first > > > movement looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it > > > earlier today. > > > > > > Here is a link to where I found it online: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/556eol > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3 > > > 436094 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title > > > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > > > -S- > > > > > > ___ > > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > > unsubscribe or set options at > > > > > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/c.j.l.wolf%40newcastle. > > > ac.uk > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sometimes my Email program gives the wrong return address. > If you have > > any trouble replying to me, use > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not > > 'n802...' > > > > Sorry for any confusion > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays > computer.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release > > Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM > > > N
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
the trio is also available on the IMSLP site, http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page as a PDF file, as are thousands of other full scores and parts. Many are also in Finale and Sibelius formats also. Steve, as regards Lilypond, I know of it but do not know anything about it. Finale and Sibelius are by far the world's most popular notation softwares, but there are others still out there as well, Lilypond among them. Paxmaha From: Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:46:38 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 Thanks very much to everyone for their replies. Hans, a good suggestion - I will listen to a recording. I am fortunate, I found out recently, that the college where I teach has made all of its musical holding available online, not to the public for free, but to faculty and students who must sign in first. I will look this up there and give a listen. Kit, thank you very much for pointing this out. I've printed out the Eb horn version and will play from that (good to keep up my transposing skills and Eb is an easy one.) And I think it's time that I investigate Lilypond software for my own use. A Lilypond question for anyone on this list who might use it - are there any of us? How difficult would it be to take the existing ".ly" file for horn and change it to print out the horn part for horn in C instead horn in F or Eb? I ask because it might be a good way for me to try to use Lilypond software, which sounds interesting, for the first time, and I enjoy reading from concert pitch parts whenever I can. (It's really just the horn line as it appears in the piano score that I'd like to produce for myself.) I learned computer programming this way - by taking someone else's work and making small changes to it. -S- > -Original Message- > From: Kit Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:40 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 > > The piece is now out of copyright and can be downloaded for free: > > http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=833 > > Kit > > > Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? > From what I > > see online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a > > third instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this > > piece usually performed? > > > > I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first > > movement looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it > > earlier today. > > > > Here is a link to where I found it online: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/556eol > > > > or > > > > > http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3 > > 436094 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > -S- > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/c.j.l.wolf%40newcastle. > > ac.uk > > > > > -- > Sometimes my Email program gives the wrong return address. If > you have any trouble replying to me, use > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not 'n802...' > > Sorry for any confusion > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release > Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/20/2008 9:11 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Thanks very much to everyone for their replies. Hans, a good suggestion - I will listen to a recording. I am fortunate, I found out recently, that the college where I teach has made all of its musical holding available online, not to the public for free, but to faculty and students who must sign in first. I will look this up there and give a listen. Kit, thank you very much for pointing this out. I've printed out the Eb horn version and will play from that (good to keep up my transposing skills and Eb is an easy one.) And I think it's time that I investigate Lilypond software for my own use. A Lilypond question for anyone on this list who might use it - are there any of us? How difficult would it be to take the existing ".ly" file for horn and change it to print out the horn part for horn in C instead horn in F or Eb? I ask because it might be a good way for me to try to use Lilypond software, which sounds interesting, for the first time, and I enjoy reading from concert pitch parts whenever I can. (It's really just the horn line as it appears in the piano score that I'd like to produce for myself.) I learned computer programming this way - by taking someone else's work and making small changes to it. -S- > -Original Message- > From: Kit Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:40 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 > > The piece is now out of copyright and can be downloaded for free: > > http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=833 > > Kit > > > Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? > From what I > > see online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a > > third instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this > > piece usually performed? > > > > I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first > > movement looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it > > earlier today. > > > > Here is a link to where I found it online: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/556eol > > > > or > > > > > http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3 > > 436094 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > -S- > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/c.j.l.wolf%40newcastle. > > ac.uk > > > > > -- > Sometimes my Email program gives the wrong return address. If > you have any trouble replying to me, use > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not 'n802...' > > Sorry for any confusion > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release > Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/20/2008 9:11 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
He was definitely not the first composer of that genre. I published two trios by Jean Nisle, first performed by the horn player Bode 1819. Quite nice pieces. Frederic Duvernoy composed two trios for the same setting. I have a photograph of the first Viennese Waldhorn Club with Johannes Brahms holding an half-moon hunting horn, sitting in the middle side by side with horn soloist Josef Schantl. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Also, whilst we're on the subject I'm sure I once heard that Brahms played the horn. I know his father did, but the biography I've read doesn't seem to mention whether he did too. It seemed to make a lot of sense - I'm not generally a huge fan but I like his horn writing. Can anybody confirm or contradict? And to further parade my ignorance, was he the first person to write for horn/piano/violin? It's a perfect combination. Kit > >> Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? From what I >> see >> online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a third >> instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this piece >> usually >> performed? >> >> I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first >> movement >> looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it earlier today. >> >> Here is a link to where I found it online: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/556eol >> >> or >> >> http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3436094 >> 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title >> >> Thanks very much in advance. >> >> -S- >> >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/c.j.l.wolf%40newcastle.ac.uk >> > > > -- > Sometimes my Email program gives the wrong return address. If you have any > trouble replying to me, use '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not 'n802...' > > Sorry for any confusion > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/c.j.l.wolf%40newcastle.ac.uk > -- Sometimes my Email program gives the wrong return address. If you have any trouble replying to me, use '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not 'n802...' Sorry for any confusion ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
The piece is now out of copyright and can be downloaded for free: http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=833 Kit > Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? From what I see > online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a third > instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this piece usually > performed? > > I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first > movement > looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it earlier today. > > Here is a link to where I found it online: > > http://tinyurl.com/556eol > > or > > http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3436094 > 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title > > Thanks very much in advance. > > -S- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/c.j.l.wolf%40newcastle.ac.uk > -- Sometimes my Email program gives the wrong return address. If you have any trouble replying to me, use '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and not 'n802...' Sorry for any confusion ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Steve, I would recommend listen to one of the many recordings. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:43 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? >From what I see online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a third instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this piece usually performed? I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first movement looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it earlier today. Here is a link to where I found it online: http://tinyurl.com/556eol or http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980 838&cart=3436094 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title Thanks very much in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
It has been my mixed pleasure to play the Brahms Trio numerous times at my annual chamber music conference. The most memorable was when the pianist was hard of hearing, very enthusiastic, and couldn't count. We spent so much time stopping & starting, getting lost and usually not found. There are sections in the piece that simply don't have anything that can rightly be called a downbeat - a river of notes. While I was frustrated at the time, now I look back at that session as instructive, as it prompted me and the violinist to really listen to each other, trust each other and learn to accommodate to the wiggly piano playing as best we could. David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 19/11/2008 23:24:39 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed! But the piano part is the hardest, next the violin, and least hard is the horn part. I found it hard (both on hand horn and valve horn) Don't know what the pianist was whingeing about - she had all her notes laid out on a keyboard in front of her - me and the fiddler had to find ours!! Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
What Richard says is all true, except that he is describing the Third, Adagio Mesto, movement. The first movement is the Andante movement mentioned by Steve F. in his original post (not that it is any "easier," particularly in balancing with the violin in the numerous passages in thirds and sixths, and in maintaining the power and control to bring off the end of the movement). Difficulty of the piano part? In a performance I was involved in many many years ago, the pianist came down with a bad case of tendonitis from all of the parallel octave passages in the Scherzo. Emory Waters In a message dated 11/19/2008 6:38:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I second what David wrote. The Andante is not as "easy" as it looks. It was written to be almost an elegy to Brahms' departed mother. The tempo is serene, but not funereal, and requires real breath control and dynamic control. The horn part is very exposed and pianissimo in some sections. It's worth working on very seriously. Richard in Seattle **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
I agree with the horn list. Brahms intended it to be for waldhorn (without valves), violin and piano. Brahms played the piano part in the premiere and in many recitals later on. The piano part is massive and difficult, after all Brahms was an awsome piano virtuoso. The waldhorn suits the character of the trio because it better balances with the violin, sometines when the violin is below the horn. The added parts for viola and cello are a publishers' choice, but I suspect that Brahms was aware of it, probably approved of it, and might have written the alternate parts himself. Consider, for instance, that there are significant differences between the horn part and the string parts. The string parts have added notes that are not in the horn part, but more interesting is that only one of the added passages is shown as cue notes in the horn part in the Simrock, and later editions. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
I second what David wrote. The Andante is not as "easy" as it looks. It was written to be almost an elegy to Brahms' departed mother. The tempo is serene, but not funereal, and requires real breath control and dynamic control. The horn part is very exposed and pianissimo in some sections. It's worth working on very seriously. Richard in Seattle David A. Jewell wrote: The trio was published for horn, violin, and piano, with a separately available cello part. Several years later Brahms told his publisher that he felt that the viola served the horn part better and to suppress the cello. Publishers being what they are he ignored the idea about the cello part, and kept publishing all the separate parts, [horn, cello, and viola] so that he could sell more copies. Brahms himself wanted the trio played with natural horn, but of course that was ignored for practical reasons soon after its premiere. It is normally played today with its intended instrumentation - horn, violin and piano. I have never heard it performed any other way. As an aside, the Lowell Greer performance on natural horn is stunning, and the Myron Bloom Marlboro Music recording is very pleasing as well. Paxmaha From: Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:42:42 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? From what I see online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a third instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this piece usually performed? I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first movement looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it earlier today. Here is a link to where I found it online: http://tinyurl.com/556eol or http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3436094 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title Thanks very much in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40comcast.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
In a message dated 19/11/2008 23:24:39 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed! But the piano part is the hardest, next the violin, and least hard is the horn part. I found it hard (both on hand horn and valve horn) Don't know what the pianist was whingeing about - she had all her notes laid out on a keyboard in front of her - me and the fiddler had to find ours!! Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's for horn, violin and piano and it's hard! (for all three players) Indeed! But the piano part is the hardest, next the violin, and least hard is the horn part. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
It's for horn, violin and piano and it's hard! (for all three players) Last time I played it we had a cellist in tow to play trios in the rest of the programme. If you play have similar forces and want an encore I have an arrangement (very corny) of the Brahms Lullaby for horn, piano, violin and cello. Not a dry eye in the house. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
The trio was published for horn, violin, and piano, with a separately available cello part. Several years later Brahms told his publisher that he felt that the viola served the horn part better and to suppress the cello. Publishers being what they are he ignored the idea about the cello part, and kept publishing all the separate parts, [horn, cello, and viola] so that he could sell more copies. Brahms himself wanted the trio played with natural horn, but of course that was ignored for practical reasons soon after its premiere. It is normally played today with its intended instrumentation - horn, violin and piano. I have never heard it performed any other way. As an aside, the Lowell Greer performance on natural horn is stunning, and the Myron Bloom Marlboro Music recording is very pleasing as well. Paxmaha From: Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:42:42 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40 Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? From what I see online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a third instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this piece usually performed? I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first movement looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it earlier today. Here is a link to where I found it online: http://tinyurl.com/556eol or http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3436094 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title Thanks very much in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Brahms Trio, Op. 40
Can anyone tell me a bit about the Brahms Trio, Opus 40? From what I see online, the instrumentation is definitely piano, violin, and a third instrument which can be horn, viola, or cello. How is this piece usually performed? I ask because, in the online sample pages I saw, the Andante first movement looks like I could play it and someone asked me about it earlier today. Here is a link to where I found it online: http://tinyurl.com/556eol or http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=980838&cart=3436094 134647052&cm_re=289.1.4-_-Results+Item-_-Title Thanks very much in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] brahms trio op. 40
Peters is like Urtext. What do you expect from any editing ? Some notes changed by a measurless ignorant editor ? There is nothing to be edited with Brahms. Well, if you need to adapt the one or the other legato for your breath or lips, it would not bring any (severe) change to the wonderful piece. Anythjing else is in the Peters publication. WHO WOULD DARE TO EDIT A BRAHMS COMPOSITION ? Who ar all would come to the idea of editing Brahms ? No serious musician would dare that. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trey Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:59 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] brahms trio op. 40 Hi Folks, I want to purchase the Brahms op. 40 trio but I'm a little clueless as to which edition to get. Hickey's has the IMC Edition as well as the C. F. Peters Edition. Which of these (or other editions) is the most "correct" or "preferred" performing edition? Thanks a million, Trey Johnson Naples, Italy _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/ 01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] brahms trio op. 40
Hi Folks, I want to purchase the Brahms op. 40 trio but I'm a little clueless as to which edition to get. Hickey's has the IMC Edition as well as the C. F. Peters Edition. Which of these (or other editions) is the most "correct" or "preferred" performing edition? Thanks a million, Trey Johnson Naples, Italy _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
