AW: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - range
The Wagner Tuba comes in two species: Bb-(tenor)-tuba equal in range to Bb-horn, but has a fourth valve of a Fourth, to bridge for the lowest octave, where it crawls rarely, but good for low c (below 4rth ledger line below staff) and the F-(basso)-tuba equal in range to the plain F-horn, but also has a 4rth valve for the better intonation of "d" (on 4rth ledger line below staff) and the gap in the lowest octave, where it crawls occasionally. There is also the full double tuba F/Bb & the compensating F/Bb tuba, some hybrid instruments, which are equal in range to the regular double F/Bb. These double-tubas lack all the typical characteristics of the distinct tuba sound of tenor respectively basso tuba. As the tubas are not played with the hand inside the bell, as we are used from our horn, they bring some intonation problems, which can be compensated by special experience with these instruments. As the bell of the tuba is quite near to the players ear, the effect (intonation) is even stronger. Playing in the section requires special care for the balance of all four players, but not in a way that all sound with equal strength, no, it requires that certain notes of the chords are stronger or less strong. If one cares for that, the chords will be sound in tune. Example: in Elektra the dominating note shifts around from player to player. That is the special trick. = -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Steve Freides Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 03:02 An: The Horn List Betreff: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - range One of my students, who had seen both a Wagner opera and Bruckner symphony within the past week, mistakenly assumed I knew something about Wagner Tubas. I don't, so we looked online together and learned a few things. The one thing I wasn't sure of was the register - we found mention of a Bb and an "F basso" - are both of these an octave _lower_ than a normal French Horn? I had assumed that the register was the same and not lower. A short list of what's the same and what's different would be great, assuming a Bb/F double Wagner tuba. Thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - range
Thank you, Jonathan and Francois, for this information - just what I was looking for. -S- On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Jonathan West wrote: > 2009/5/7 Steve Freides : >> One of my students, who had seen both a Wagner opera and Bruckner >> symphony within the past week, mistakenly assumed I knew something >> about Wagner Tubas. I don't, so we looked online together and learned >> a few things. The one thing I wasn't sure of was the register - we >> found mention of a Bb and an "F basso" - are both of these an octave >> _lower_ than a normal French Horn? I had assumed that the register >> was the same and not lower. A short list of what's the same and >> what's different would be great, assuming a Bb/F double Wagner tuba. >> > > The Tenor (Bb) Wagner tuba has the same length of tubing as a Bb side > of a double horn. The Bass (F) Wagner Tuba has the same length of > tubing as the F side of a double horn. Modern instruments are often > built as F/Bb double tubas. Because of the wider bore, they tend to be > less secure on higher notes. > > The way in which the transpositions are written out in the parts is by > modern standards rather idiosyncratic, and does vary depending on the > composer and the work. For instance, In the Bruckner symphonies, the > parts are written as 2 tenor tubas in Bb, (written in Bb basso), and 2 > bass tubas in F (written In F basso, i.e. sounding an octave and a > fifth below written pitch). Wagner himself used three different and > incompatible notations in the course of the Ring. So you have to check > carefully what the intended transposition is when you come across a > tuba part. > > Regards > Jonathan West > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - range
2009/5/7 Steve Freides : > One of my students, who had seen both a Wagner opera and Bruckner > symphony within the past week, mistakenly assumed I knew something > about Wagner Tubas. I don't, so we looked online together and learned > a few things. The one thing I wasn't sure of was the register - we > found mention of a Bb and an "F basso" - are both of these an octave > _lower_ than a normal French Horn? I had assumed that the register > was the same and not lower. A short list of what's the same and > what's different would be great, assuming a Bb/F double Wagner tuba. > The Tenor (Bb) Wagner tuba has the same length of tubing as a Bb side of a double horn. The Bass (F) Wagner Tuba has the same length of tubing as the F side of a double horn. Modern instruments are often built as F/Bb double tubas. Because of the wider bore, they tend to be less secure on higher notes. The way in which the transpositions are written out in the parts is by modern standards rather idiosyncratic, and does vary depending on the composer and the work. For instance, In the Bruckner symphonies, the parts are written as 2 tenor tubas in Bb, (written in Bb basso), and 2 bass tubas in F (written In F basso, i.e. sounding an octave and a fifth below written pitch). Wagner himself used three different and incompatible notations in the course of the Ring. So you have to check carefully what the intended transposition is when you come across a tuba part. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - range
Hello I have a Wagner Tuba double Bb/F (a Ricco Kuen) and the register is the same as a double horn. Only the tone is different. Francois Lefebvre > Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:01:53 -0400 > From: steve.frei...@gmail.com > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - range > > One of my students, who had seen both a Wagner opera and Bruckner > symphony within the past week, mistakenly assumed I knew something > about Wagner Tubas. I don't, so we looked online together and learned > a few things. The one thing I wasn't sure of was the register - we > found mention of a Bb and an "F basso" - are both of these an octave > _lower_ than a normal French Horn? I had assumed that the register > was the same and not lower. A short list of what's the same and > what's different would be great, assuming a Bb/F double Wagner tuba. > > Thanks in advance. > > -S- > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/frlefebvre%40hotmail.com _ Internet explorer 8 aide à protéger la vie privée. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655573___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - range
One of my students, who had seen both a Wagner opera and Bruckner symphony within the past week, mistakenly assumed I knew something about Wagner Tubas. I don't, so we looked online together and learned a few things. The one thing I wasn't sure of was the register - we found mention of a Bb and an "F basso" - are both of these an octave _lower_ than a normal French Horn? I had assumed that the register was the same and not lower. A short list of what's the same and what's different would be great, assuming a Bb/F double Wagner tuba. Thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba-Unsafe at Any Speed
If you are used to play the Wagnertuba OFTEN, not once a while - but this is quite impossible in orchestras outside Germany, Austria, Scandinavia & GB, as these have THE RING in their repertory - speaking of opera orchestras -, you would know HOW to play the Wagnertuba in tune, using several kind of alternating fingerings, using the ear & the lips to produce correct & fine sounding pitches. That is your problem, not the tuba. Missing experience ... === -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von ardee...@comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 21:59 An: The Horn List Betreff: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba-Unsafe at Any Speed jw...@mvps@org wrote: > I retreated to the relative safety > of one of the Wagner Tuba parts. It was a challenge getting used to > the unfamiliar instrument, but at least the transposition didn't > change as often! >not the case when you play Wagner Tuba in Bruckner's 8th and you have that >very fast page turn, coinciding with a tuba-to-horn swap; and ending with a >horn blast tutti. In my case, I slam down the tuba, grab my horn, and immediately bashed the poor guy next to me right in the horn wrap with the bell of my own horn. Later on (the conductor of that group was not pleased), another conductor who was in the audience came up to me and asked 'if I was learning to play cymbals'. be that as it may, I consider Wagner Tubas (although fun to play if done right) are almost impossible to keep in tune. Granted, I was using borrowed crap instruments, so if anyone else with a good tuba wants to set me straight, I am listening. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba-Unsafe at Any Speed
I played a Wagner Tuba at Karl Hill's shop a few months ago - like butter! Of course it takes a few years to get one, but still... > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:59:15 + > From: ardee...@comcast.net > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba-Unsafe at Any Speed > > jw...@mvps@org > wrote: > > I retreated to the relative safety > > of one of the Wagner Tuba parts. It was a challenge getting used to > > the unfamiliar instrument, but at least the transposition didn't > > change as often! > > > >not the case when you play Wagner Tuba in Bruckner's 8th and you have that > >very fast page turn, coinciding with a tuba-to-horn swap; and ending with a > >horn blast tutti. > > In my case, I slam down the tuba, grab my horn, and immediately bashed the > poor guy next to me right in the horn wrap with the bell of my own horn. > > Later on (the conductor of that group was not pleased), another conductor who > was in the audience came up to me and asked 'if I was learning to play > cymbals'. > > be that as it may, I consider Wagner Tubas (although fun to play if done > right) are almost impossible to keep in tune. Granted, I was using borrowed > crap instruments, so if anyone else with a good tuba wants to set me > straight, I am listening. > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treyjohnson37%40hotmail.com _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile2_042009___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wagner Tuba-Unsafe at Any Speed
jw...@mvps@org wrote: > I retreated to the relative safety > of one of the Wagner Tuba parts. It was a challenge getting used to > the unfamiliar instrument, but at least the transposition didn't > change as often! >not the case when you play Wagner Tuba in Bruckner's 8th and you have that >very fast page turn, coinciding with a tuba-to-horn swap; and ending with a >horn blast tutti. In my case, I slam down the tuba, grab my horn, and immediately bashed the poor guy next to me right in the horn wrap with the bell of my own horn. Later on (the conductor of that group was not pleased), another conductor who was in the audience came up to me and asked 'if I was learning to play cymbals'. be that as it may, I consider Wagner Tubas (although fun to play if done right) are almost impossible to keep in tune. Granted, I was using borrowed crap instruments, so if anyone else with a good tuba wants to set me straight, I am listening. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - A History
Hi Tyler ... again, Dr. John Erickson of AZ State U has a nice book "Playing the Wagner Tuba" (I think). Google it for details. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City **Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - A History
Hi Tyler, I believe most, if not all, of this history was presented in several editions of the Horn Call. Contact the IHS ( _www.hornsociety.org_ (http://www.hornsociety.org) ) for details. If you are not a member, join. Every serious horn player should help support the International Horn Society. The benefits of membership by far outweigh the small cost of joining. ( now stepping down from soap box ) Regards,Jerry in Kansas City **Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wagner Tuba - A History
List, I am looking for a copy of "The Wagner Tuba - A History" by William Melton. Does anyone know where I could find one in the US? I have already contacted the publisher but need a copy this week, and don't want to pay a fortune to have it expedited from Germany. Thanks Tyler ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
Thank you guy very much Peter, I'm not that busy, because I've been in all that websites before...They are great, but like you said, the main topic is the history of the WT. I'm looking now for some sound samples. I just have that video of Bruckner Symphony nº 7. Can you tell me which is the Symphony with the largest WT passege? Is there any video on the net? Once again thank you very much Robson 2008/4/12, Robson Adabo de Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Thank you guy very much > > Peter, I'm not that busy, because I've been in all that websites > before...They are great, but like you said, the main topic is the history of > the WT. I'm looking now for some sound samples. > > I just have that video of Bruckner Symphony nº 7. Can you tell me which is > the Symphony with the largest WT passege? Is there any video on the net? > > Once again thank you very much > > Robson > > > 2008/4/11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Robson, > > > > Though it is primarily an historical study and not a guide to playing, > > William Melton's series of articles in the Horn Call (published in > > various > > issues ca. 2002 - 2004) are must reading for getting the facts on the > > Wagner tuba. I am surprised that Bill hasn't chimed in on this thread. I > > don't know how much this intersects with or duplicates his articles, but > > there is a ton of info from him at: > > > > http://www.wagner-tuba.com/wagnertuba_melton/melton_intro.htm > > > > I also see an article by bill at: > > http://www.draeseke.org/essays/wmtuba.htm > > that explores one of the rare sightings of the WT outside of Wagner, > > Bruckner, Strauss. Further links are: > > > > http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi2341.htm (includes audio) > > > > http://www.public.asu.edu/~jqerics/Wagner-tuba.html > > > > http://www.hornplanet.com/hornpage/museum/history/horn_history5.html > > > > That should keep you busy for a while, > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter Hirsch > > > > > > >message: 4 > > >date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:50:49 -0300 > > >from: "Robson Adabo de Mello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba > > > > > >I'm just curious about this instrument. You know, it's a little rare > > and I > > >think this list is the best place to obtain information. > > > > > >Few times in my life I had opportunity to play a french horn. In the > > >beginning I had strange feeling that the attacks were not so clear like > > I > > >had in my trumpet. The tessitura was much bigger and I had a different > > >feeling on my lips ... > > > > > >I never had the opportunity to play a WT, but for sure I won't miss > > when I > > >have it! > > > > > >I feel that the sound of the WT is much darker than the horn and also a > > >little louder. What about extreme registers (high and low), is it > > harder > > on > > >the WT? What about articulation, is it harder the get a clear > > articulation? > > > > > >Thank you very much > > > > > >Robson > > > > > > > > > > > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
Robson, Though it is primarily an historical study and not a guide to playing, William Melton's series of articles in the Horn Call (published in various issues ca. 2002 - 2004) are must reading for getting the facts on the Wagner tuba. I am surprised that Bill hasn't chimed in on this thread. I don't know how much this intersects with or duplicates his articles, but there is a ton of info from him at: http://www.wagner-tuba.com/wagnertuba_melton/melton_intro.htm I also see an article by bill at: http://www.draeseke.org/essays/wmtuba.htm that explores one of the rare sightings of the WT outside of Wagner, Bruckner, Strauss. Further links are: http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi2341.htm (includes audio) http://www.public.asu.edu/~jqerics/Wagner-tuba.html http://www.hornplanet.com/hornpage/museum/history/horn_history5.html That should keep you busy for a while, Regards, Peter Hirsch >message: 4 >date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:50:49 -0300 >from: "Robson Adabo de Mello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba > >I'm just curious about this instrument. You know, it's a little rare and I >think this list is the best place to obtain information. > >Few times in my life I had opportunity to play a french horn. In the >beginning I had strange feeling that the attacks were not so clear like I >had in my trumpet. The tessitura was much bigger and I had a different >feeling on my lips ... > >I never had the opportunity to play a WT, but for sure I won't miss when I >have it! > >I feel that the sound of the WT is much darker than the horn and also a >little louder. What about extreme registers (high and low), is it harder on >the WT? What about articulation, is it harder the get a clear articulation? > >Thank you very much > >Robson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
Hello Robson I am amateur, so for me this instrument is very special, and I must play many times to keep it in good shape. The funny thing is when I used it with amateurs groups, chefs never ask me to play horn and they let me play the Wagner Tuba. Anyway, I chose when I can play Wagner Tuba, modern music, pop, but no often in classical music. (except one time in Strauss) During a festival, last year, we play a music with a part of horn, second melody, and a singer soloist. The chef ask me to play Wagner Tuba, not the horn because the sound was better with the soloist, more smooth, much darker but near of the voice of the soloist and at some place I help the soloist because of the limit of is voice. Good experience, play and follow the soloist … with all the respect of his part. It is a double Wagner Tuba, in Fa and SiB. same as a double horn. The tessitura is the same of the horn but the sound is more dark in the low note and come quickly high in the high level. The only thing, at the beginning is remember the note because the 'timbre' sound is not the same, and for example the sound of the FA on the horn is not the same by still a FA but more between barython, euphonium and horn., and the sound come from the top, on the right side. (without hand inside). The strange feeling that the attacks were not so clear like you have in your trumpet is the same for the horn and it is a part of the sound and the difference between the Wagner Tuba and the euphonium. The Wagner Tuba still an horn with all the fun we have to play an horn (and all troubles to). I rent the Wagner Tuba to the Quebec Symphonic Orchestra, to Metropolitan Orchestra of Montréal, to the festival de Lanaudière, so I am always in contact with professionals horn players. François Lefebvre Québec Canada.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:50:49 -0300> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba> > I'm just curious about this instrument. You know, it's a little rare and I> think this list is the best place to obtain information.> > Few times in my life I had opportunity to play a french horn. In the> beginning I had strange feeling that the attacks were not so clear like I> had in my trumpet. The tessitura was much bigger and I had a different> feeling on my lips ...> > I never had the opportunity to play a WT, but for sure I won't miss when I> have it!> > I feel that the sound of the WT is much darker than the horn and also a> little louder. What about extreme registers (high and low), is it harder on> the WT? What about articulation, is it harder the get a clear articulation?> > Thank you very much> > Robson> > > > > 2008/4/10, Francois Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> >> >> > Hello> >> > You can see a wagner tube from Ricco Kuhn at http://www.ricco-kuehn.de/> >> > in the section product> >> > I ask Ricco to build one for me, and i have this beautifull Wagner tuba> >> > I thing that i am the only amateur hornplayer with a Wagner tuba.> >> > It is easy to play, as the Pizka horn it easy ...> >> > François Lefebvre> > Québec> _ Changez chaque jour en 1000$. Détails sur connectezetgagnez.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/219___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
> > I feel that the sound of the WT is much darker than the horn and also a > little louder. What about extreme registers (high and low), is it harder on > the WT? What about articulation, is it harder the get a clear articulation? Low register appears to be generally easier. In my experience, upper register tends to be a bit more iffy, but not that often used in practice. With the wider bore, clean articulation seems to be easier, through if writing for the WT I wouldn't give it passages that required great agility. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
I'm just curious about this instrument. You know, it's a little rare and I think this list is the best place to obtain information. Few times in my life I had opportunity to play a french horn. In the beginning I had strange feeling that the attacks were not so clear like I had in my trumpet. The tessitura was much bigger and I had a different feeling on my lips ... I never had the opportunity to play a WT, but for sure I won't miss when I have it! I feel that the sound of the WT is much darker than the horn and also a little louder. What about extreme registers (high and low), is it harder on the WT? What about articulation, is it harder the get a clear articulation? Thank you very much Robson 2008/4/10, Francois Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hello > > You can see a wagner tube from Ricco Kuhn at http://www.ricco-kuehn.de/ > > in the section product > > I ask Ricco to build one for me, and i have this beautifull Wagner tuba > > I thing that i am the only amateur hornplayer with a Wagner tuba. > > It is easy to play, as the Pizka horn it easy ... > > François Lefebvre > Québec> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:05:13 -0300> From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu> Subject: Re: > [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba> > Thank you Paul and Hans for the great > information.> > I have seen this videos and it's possible to see a little of > the Wagner> tuba.> > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ASRaHKOj0> > > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=vlysW-I62bE> > > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Nps1LMpzQCw> > > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=45RMIy2ZuKI> > >From what I can see they are > using Engelbert Schmid Wagner Tubas (the bell> is bent to the left side)> > > Is there any other video on YouTube with a little bit more of the WT?> > I > know a website called http://www.wagner-tuba.com/ that has a lot of> > information about WT, including a piece called "5 Dramatic Pieces for 8> > Wagner Tubas" written by Andrew Downes, but I haven't found any discography> > > Thank you very much for the help> > Robson Adabo de Mello> > Ps. Reinhold > Friedrich did a great job leading the trumpet section...you> know I'm a > trumpet player> > > > 2008/4/10, Paul Rincon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> > >> > There is an LP with Roland Berger and Roland Horvath (both ex-members > of> > the> > Vienna Philharmonic) where they play some Wagner Tuba/Viennese > horn> > concertos.> >> > I think the LP is called "Contemporary Viennese > Music for Horn and Wagner> > Tuba"...Although I'm not sure. Hans knows it > surely, as it is the one> > where> > Roland and Roland look like they belong > in "La Cosa Nostra".> >> >> > Paul> >> >> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:04 AM, > hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > If you play a Wagnertuba the way most > people play the Horn> > > today (and they press a lot of air through the > instrument),> > > the Wagnertuba tends to blair too loud. So the approach > is> > > quite different. As the holding position is different also,> > > one > has to hold he WT in a way, that the axle through mouth> > > & lead pipe is > NOT bent, a position quite not so> > > comfortable.> > >> > > Yes, > intonation is different & somewhat problematic due to> > > the open bell- > One has to use some alternative fingerings> > > when playing certain chords. > Some malers tried to make the> > > WT with a much wider bell like a > tenorhorn to get an easier> > > intonation, but ruined all the sound colours > so important> > > for the WT.> > >> > > The double tuba produced by > Alexander is a versatile> > > instrument but lacks all characteristics of > both the F & the> > > Bb tuba, which were built with different bell > dimensions,> > > the F much wider than the Bb.> > >> > > The WT is not a > solo instrument, beeing played for a> > > concerto with orchestra > accompaniment, while there is a> > > concerto by Jan Koetsier, who has > composed a lot for horn.> > > The euphonium or the tenor horn would be a > much better> > > choice as solo instrument. If I would be a composer, I > would> > > refran from composing a solo for the rather clumsy WT but> > > > use it in a set of two or four to express certain serenity,> > > solemn > impressions, ferocity, etc. according to the examples> > > set by R.Wagner, &
RE: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
Hello You can see a wagner tube from Ricco Kuhn at http://www.ricco-kuehn.de/ in the section product I ask Ricco to build one for me, and i have this beautifull Wagner tuba I thing that i am the only amateur hornplayer with a Wagner tuba. It is easy to play, as the Pizka horn it easy ... François Lefebvre Québec> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:05:13 -0300> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba> > Thank you Paul and Hans for the great information.> > I have seen this videos and it's possible to see a little of the Wagner> tuba.> > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ASRaHKOj0> > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=vlysW-I62bE> > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Nps1LMpzQCw> > http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=45RMIy2ZuKI> > >From what I can see they are using Engelbert Schmid Wagner Tubas (the bell> is bent to the left side)> > Is there any other video on YouTube with a little bit more of the WT?> > I know a website called http://www.wagner-tuba.com/ that has a lot of> information about WT, including a piece called "5 Dramatic Pieces for 8> Wagner Tubas" written by Andrew Downes, but I haven't found any discography> > Thank you very much for the help> > Robson Adabo de Mello> > Ps. Reinhold Friedrich did a great job leading the trumpet section...you> know I'm a trumpet player> > > > 2008/4/10, Paul Rincon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> >> > There is an LP with Roland Berger and Roland Horvath (both ex-members of> > the> > Vienna Philharmonic) where they play some Wagner Tuba/Viennese horn> > concertos.> >> > I think the LP is called "Contemporary Viennese Music for Horn and Wagner> > Tuba"...Although I'm not sure. Hans knows it surely, as it is the one> > where> > Roland and Roland look like they belong in "La Cosa Nostra".> >> >> > Paul> >> >> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:04 AM, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > If you play a Wagnertuba the way most people play the Horn> > > today (and they press a lot of air through the instrument),> > > the Wagnertuba tends to blair too loud. So the approach is> > > quite different. As the holding position is different also,> > > one has to hold he WT in a way, that the axle through mouth> > > & lead pipe is NOT bent, a position quite not so> > > comfortable.> > >> > > Yes, intonation is different & somewhat problematic due to> > > the open bell- One has to use some alternative fingerings> > > when playing certain chords. Some malers tried to make the> > > WT with a much wider bell like a tenorhorn to get an easier> > > intonation, but ruined all the sound colours so important> > > for the WT.> > >> > > The double tuba produced by Alexander is a versatile> > > instrument but lacks all characteristics of both the F & the> > > Bb tuba, which were built with different bell dimensions,> > > the F much wider than the Bb.> > >> > > The WT is not a solo instrument, beeing played for a> > > concerto with orchestra accompaniment, while there is a> > > concerto by Jan Koetsier, who has composed a lot for horn.> > > The euphonium or the tenor horn would be a much better> > > choice as solo instrument. If I would be a composer, I would> > > refran from composing a solo for the rather clumsy WT but> > > use it in a set of two or four to express certain serenity,> > > solemn impressions, ferocity, etc. according to the examples> > > set by R.Wagner, R.Strauss, A.Bruckner & a lot of soundtrack> > > composers.> > >> > > > > > > > > ==> > >> > > -Original Message-> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [mailto:horn-bounces+hans => > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On> > > Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:59 PM> > > To: The Horn List> > > Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba> > >> > > Hello Guys> > >> > >> > >> > > I'm a trumpet player, so if some of my questions are too> > > basic I need to say "I'm sorry".> > >> > >> > >> > > - Is it much different to play a french horn and wagner> > > tuba?> > >> > >> >
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
Thank you Paul and Hans for the great information. I have seen this videos and it's possible to see a little of the Wagner tuba. http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ASRaHKOj0 http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=vlysW-I62bE http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Nps1LMpzQCw http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=45RMIy2ZuKI >From what I can see they are using Engelbert Schmid Wagner Tubas (the bell is bent to the left side) Is there any other video on YouTube with a little bit more of the WT? I know a website called http://www.wagner-tuba.com/ that has a lot of information about WT, including a piece called "5 Dramatic Pieces for 8 Wagner Tubas" written by Andrew Downes, but I haven't found any discography Thank you very much for the help Robson Adabo de Mello Ps. Reinhold Friedrich did a great job leading the trumpet section...you know I'm a trumpet player 2008/4/10, Paul Rincon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > There is an LP with Roland Berger and Roland Horvath (both ex-members of > the > Vienna Philharmonic) where they play some Wagner Tuba/Viennese horn > concertos. > > I think the LP is called "Contemporary Viennese Music for Horn and Wagner > Tuba"...Although I'm not sure. Hans knows it surely, as it is the one > where > Roland and Roland look like they belong in "La Cosa Nostra". > > > Paul > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:04 AM, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you play a Wagnertuba the way most people play the Horn > > today (and they press a lot of air through the instrument), > > the Wagnertuba tends to blair too loud. So the approach is > > quite different. As the holding position is different also, > > one has to hold he WT in a way, that the axle through mouth > > & lead pipe is NOT bent, a position quite not so > > comfortable. > > > > Yes, intonation is different & somewhat problematic due to > > the open bell- One has to use some alternative fingerings > > when playing certain chords. Some malers tried to make the > > WT with a much wider bell like a tenorhorn to get an easier > > intonation, but ruined all the sound colours so important > > for the WT. > > > > The double tuba produced by Alexander is a versatile > > instrument but lacks all characteristics of both the F & the > > Bb tuba, which were built with different bell dimensions, > > the F much wider than the Bb. > > > > The WT is not a solo instrument, beeing played for a > > concerto with orchestra accompaniment, while there is a > > concerto by Jan Koetsier, who has composed a lot for horn. > > The euphonium or the tenor horn would be a much better > > choice as solo instrument. If I would be a composer, I would > > refran from composing a solo for the rather clumsy WT but > > use it in a set of two or four to express certain serenity, > > solemn impressions, ferocity, etc. according to the examples > > set by R.Wagner, R.Strauss, A.Bruckner & a lot of soundtrack > > composers. > > > > > > ======== > > == > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:horn-bounces+hans = > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > > Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:59 PM > > To: The Horn List > > Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba > > > > Hello Guys > > > > > > > > I'm a trumpet player, so if some of my questions are too > > basic I need to say "I'm sorry". > > > > > > > > - Is it much different to play a french horn and wagner > > tuba? > > > > > > > > - The wagner tuba has a problematic intonation or it's just > > different from the horn because it has a open bell? > > > > > > > > - The Alexander is the most used brand of wagner tuba? The > > model 110 is Bb/F or F/Bb? > > > > > > > > -Is there any solo video or CD with Wagner tuba? (When I say > > solo I mean in front of the orchestra) > > > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > Robson > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. > > de > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/parsifal560sec%40gmail.com > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/robson.adabo%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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There is an LP with Roland Berger and Roland Horvath (both ex-members of the Vienna Philharmonic) where they play some Wagner Tuba/Viennese horn concertos. I think the LP is called "Contemporary Viennese Music for Horn and Wagner Tuba"...Although I'm not sure. Hans knows it surely, as it is the one where Roland and Roland look like they belong in "La Cosa Nostra". Paul On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:04 AM, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you play a Wagnertuba the way most people play the Horn > today (and they press a lot of air through the instrument), > the Wagnertuba tends to blair too loud. So the approach is > quite different. As the holding position is different also, > one has to hold he WT in a way, that the axle through mouth > & lead pipe is NOT bent, a position quite not so > comfortable. > > Yes, intonation is different & somewhat problematic due to > the open bell- One has to use some alternative fingerings > when playing certain chords. Some malers tried to make the > WT with a much wider bell like a tenorhorn to get an easier > intonation, but ruined all the sound colours so important > for the WT. > > The double tuba produced by Alexander is a versatile > instrument but lacks all characteristics of both the F & the > Bb tuba, which were built with different bell dimensions, > the F much wider than the Bb. > > The WT is not a solo instrument, beeing played for a > concerto with orchestra accompaniment, while there is a > concerto by Jan Koetsier, who has composed a lot for horn. > The euphonium or the tenor horn would be a much better > choice as solo instrument. If I would be a composer, I would > refran from composing a solo for the rather clumsy WT but > use it in a set of two or four to express certain serenity, > solemn impressions, ferocity, etc. according to the examples > set by R.Wagner, R.Strauss, A.Bruckner & a lot of soundtrack > composers. > > > > == > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:horn-bounces+hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:59 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba > > Hello Guys > > > > I'm a trumpet player, so if some of my questions are too > basic I need to say "I'm sorry". > > > > - Is it much different to play a french horn and wagner > tuba? > > > > - The wagner tuba has a problematic intonation or it's just > different from the horn because it has a open bell? > > > > - The Alexander is the most used brand of wagner tuba? The > model 110 is Bb/F or F/Bb? > > > > -Is there any solo video or CD with Wagner tuba? (When I say > solo I mean in front of the orchestra) > > > > Thank you very much > > > Robson > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. > de > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/parsifal560sec%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
If you play a Wagnertuba the way most people play the Horn today (and they press a lot of air through the instrument), the Wagnertuba tends to blair too loud. So the approach is quite different. As the holding position is different also, one has to hold he WT in a way, that the axle through mouth & lead pipe is NOT bent, a position quite not so comfortable. Yes, intonation is different & somewhat problematic due to the open bell- One has to use some alternative fingerings when playing certain chords. Some malers tried to make the WT with a much wider bell like a tenorhorn to get an easier intonation, but ruined all the sound colours so important for the WT. The double tuba produced by Alexander is a versatile instrument but lacks all characteristics of both the F & the Bb tuba, which were built with different bell dimensions, the F much wider than the Bb. The WT is not a solo instrument, beeing played for a concerto with orchestra accompaniment, while there is a concerto by Jan Koetsier, who has composed a lot for horn. The euphonium or the tenor horn would be a much better choice as solo instrument. If I would be a composer, I would refran from composing a solo for the rather clumsy WT but use it in a set of two or four to express certain serenity, solemn impressions, ferocity, etc. according to the examples set by R.Wagner, R.Strauss, A.Bruckner & a lot of soundtrack composers. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:59 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba Hello Guys I'm a trumpet player, so if some of my questions are too basic I need to say "I'm sorry". - Is it much different to play a french horn and wagner tuba? - The wagner tuba has a problematic intonation or it's just different from the horn because it has a open bell? - The Alexander is the most used brand of wagner tuba? The model 110 is Bb/F or F/Bb? -Is there any solo video or CD with Wagner tuba? (When I say solo I mean in front of the orchestra) Thank you very much Robson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
Hello Guys I'm a trumpet player, so if some of my questions are too basic I need to say "I'm sorry". - Is it much different to play a french horn and wagner tuba? - The wagner tuba has a problematic intonation or it's just different from the horn because it has a open bell? - The Alexander is the most used brand of wagner tuba? The model 110 is Bb/F or F/Bb? -Is there any solo video or CD with Wagner tuba? (When I say solo I mean in front of the orchestra) Thank you very much Robson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
Yes, d-daaah-dh-daaah-dooo - nice & effective. But the most exciting Tuba parts are in "Frau ohne Schatten" (R.Strauss). Janacek used them also. I published 4 volumes of Wagner Tuba studies (excerpt books). Visit my Web Site to know more: www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.htm There are good Wagner Tuba parts in Strauss' Alpine Symphony, which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. These require the use of mutes, as well. We are also doing a modern piece by Kurtag, (STELE, Op.33) which has 8 horns with 5-8 Wagner Tuba doubling. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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There's a nice CD out there with some mighty fine Wagner tuba playing on it. Check out The London Horn Sound... http://tinyurl.com/8hfzm Several cuts (but not all) include Wagner tuba players in the ensemble. Outstanding! -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 02:52 PM 5/4/2005, you wrote: I am in search of a list of all of the repertoire that uses Wagner tubas. Do you have any information on this? Thanks! Liz Sievert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 5/3/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
Yes, d-daaah-dh-daaah-dooo - nice & effective. But the most exciting Tuba parts are in "Frau ohne Schatten" (R.Strauss). Janacek used them also. I published 4 volumes of Wagner Tuba studies (excerpt books). Visit my Web Site to know more: www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.htm Vienna Philharmonic used the Wagner Tuba for Heldenleben & Don Quixote. There is also a very difficult Wagner Tuba part in Josephslegende (ballet by R.Strauss), really difficult single Tuba part. But the first horn part is like hell. The last page of tzhe 90min. piece just high a2 & high d3, the only piece, where I used the descant for the last page. Terrible embouchure killer, but fun to play up & down & up again (exception lasdt page). Really challenging. Still, greetings from Shanghai, 05:50 morning Thursday. Last night the skyscrapers were in the clouds, really. The opera house just 5 min. from my hotel at Nanjing Road is a masterpiece of contemporanean architecture as are some of the tall buildings like the pagoda style Jin Mao building with 420,5 m & the Pearl Tower with 468 m. Exciting. Traffic like in New York. When I was here the first time 1984, cars were seen hardly. You could cross the main streets with closed eyes, but now - hallelujah - you get difficulties crossing at the zebras. And the food .. gorgious . abalones .. lobster termidor ... fresh fish ... no rice at the parties ... keeps you slim. People knowing me would not believe, I lost more than 32 lbs. since last August Played a perfect Long Call last night using a borrowed horn on the spot & a borrowed mouthpiece. Just lucky. Because of Mao-Tai, perhaps. Another exception. = == > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, at 03:52 PM, Paul Rincon wrote: > > > Off the top of my head, I only know of the following: > > > > Bruckner Symphonies Nr. 7,8,9 > > Wagner RING Cycle > > Strauss: Elektra > > Stravinsky: Rite of Spring > > > Doesn't "The Pines of Rome" also call for Tuben? > > Paul Mansur > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gix3514%40gmx.at > -- SigfridFafner the under ground horn player from Vienna +++ Neu: Echte DSL-Flatrates von GMX - Surfen ohne Limits +++ Always online ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, at 03:52 PM, Paul Rincon wrote: Off the top of my head, I only know of the following: Bruckner Symphonies Nr. 7,8,9 Wagner RING Cycle Strauss: Elektra Stravinsky: Rite of Spring Doesn't "The Pines of Rome" also call for Tuben? Paul Mansur ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
Ah! Here's a chance to put in a plug for "The Horn Call," the journal of the International Horn Society. William Melton did a seven-part series on the history of the Wagner tuba in 2003-2004. It covers all the literature up to now, as well as a lot of enlightening history of its birthing pangs and development as an instrument. Richard in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Off the top of my head, I only know of the following: Bruckner Symphonies Nr. 7,8,9 Wagner RING Cycle Strauss: Elektra Stravinsky: Rite of Spring Especially beautiful are the Wagner Tuba quartets in the 8th (3rd mvmt) symphony by Bruckner...heard it on DVD with Pierre Boulez and Vienna Phil. Utterly delicious I must say... - Original Message - From: "Liz Sievert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question > I am in search of a list of all of the repertoire that > uses Wagner tubas. > Do you have any information on this? > > Thanks! > Liz Sievert > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dennisbrainchild%40earthlink.n et ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
I am in search of a list of all of the repertoire that uses Wagner tubas. Do you have any information on this? Thanks! Liz Sievert __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] wagner tuba
> does anyone know where someone could find a used Wagner Tuba? I don't > exactly have a spare $6,000 just laying around, so a used one would > ROCK. There tend to be very few in private captivity, they usually owned in sets of 4 by the major orchestras. After all, apart from the Wagner operas there is very little repertoire that requires them. The only pieces that immediately come to mind are the last 3 Bruckner symphonies which use 4 each, and the Rite of Spring which uses 2. That of course is why they are expensive - not much demand for them, and the demand is almost always for professional-quality instruments. There's not all that much call for student Wagner Tubas! If an amateur orchestra plays one of these pieces, they usually hire a set from one of the professional orchestras. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 12/13/2004 12:57:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know if this is allowed, so if it is not- I apologize- does anyone know where someone could find a used Wagner Tuba? I don't exactly have a spare $6,000 just laying around, so a used one would ROCK. The usual modus operandi around here is to beg to borrow one, usually from an orchestra or opera orchestra section. And they are loathe to do so because the instruments usually come back dented and damaged. Recently I knew of a set being loaned out in return for having them fixed up. You might offer something like that, if you need it on a temporary basis. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] wagner tuba
Phil Richardson has a full set of these, but don't know if he would part with one. He lives in Grass Valley, CA, but I do not have any other contact info for him. Fred - Original Message - From: "Patrick Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: [Hornlist] wagner tuba Hi list I don't know if this is allowed, so if it is not- I apologize- does anyone know where someone could find a used Wagner Tuba? I don't exactly have a spare $6,000 just laying around, so a used one would ROCK. I've googled till I can't google no more... Thanks Dave ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] wagner tuba
Hi list I don't know if this is allowed, so if it is not- I apologize- does anyone know where someone could find a used Wagner Tuba? I don't exactly have a spare $6,000 just laying around, so a used one would ROCK. I've googled till I can't google no more... Thanks Dave ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Wagner Tuba On eBay
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[Hornlist] Wagner tuba
After 3 weeks .. i find the Wagner tuba very funny to play, very easy, it is not the real wagner tuba with low register in Bb ask for classical music but a double F and Bb. It is more a remplacement of a horn with more rich sound (like american sound or german sound). I use my same mouthpiece as i have for my horn, and the sound is more easy to play, p mp mf or f and ff. The surprise is, it is in right place on the pitch, very center and easy to play in F as it is in Bb. I used to add more power to the horn group for some films music, like Robin Hood or Johns Williams stuff. The effect is ... we have already 5 horns and plus the Tuben it is looking .. 7 or 8 ... some time i double the first, but it is better for many pieces to play the third ... depend of the composer. For other music i play my normal horn. No chance for sax or trombones the director like this sound. We are preparing some sixtet with the group .. with the Tuben. By the way, i am waiting a Kalison hight Bb horn for the next week. An other type of sound. François Lefebvre _ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
As I have to notice from your letter, you play without left hand. Does it mean, you have the keys for the right hand ? If so, it is not a Wagner Tuba. Yes, off course, the Wagner Tuba can be louder than any horn. But is that a quality factor ? Well, I do not vote against any brand, so not to get me wrong. And, someone asked you a few days ago, if you can really distinguish your sound between F-Tuba (the low pair) and the Bb-Tuba (the higher pair). The sound MUST be completely different .- if you play Wagner or Bruckner or R.Strauss. It does not matter much (or at all) for Williams, Horner & other movie soundtrack composers as they use the Wagner Tuba group for other portous than the great composers of the past. One thing to remember: it is fun to play Wagner Tuba (not much to do in the concert, so to stay quite easy !). If you play, it is prominent allways. But is it fun (embouchure-wise), if you have to play a delicate Mozart the day after ? Greetings (40 years experience with Wagner Tuba in all kind of music) "Francois Lefebvre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > The Ricco Kürn Wagner Tuba is very special. > > First, i play normally on Hans Hoyer Horn with a Thompson T1 or T3 > mouthpiece. > > On the Wagner Tuba , it comes with a JK W3AM mouthpiece but > i prefer my Thompson, the sound is more rich. > > Second: it is very very easy to play this Tuben, more easy then my horn > the sound is great, very easy to tune, and stable all the range long > > I can make the Siegfried Solo as beautiful as i never be able to do on my > horn ... !!! > > The upper UT is nothing to do, > the upper Bb is right on on both side Bb and F > The lower note are massive and strong, and you can give power > and the sound stay sound, no cracks ... !!! > > The sound is between a horn and a trombone but the big difference is > to play without the left hand in. The sound is very strong, > intense, and you must be away from bad note ... everybody will > heard you. > > Tomorrow i practice with the group ... and we have 1941 (Williams) > to play .. I will try the tuben. (we are 6 horns normally in the group) > > Conclusion: The Tuben is instrument to try, and i am sure i will > have fun with this instrument. > > I will give you more impression in future, after few weeks of practice. > > P.S. It's takes only 4 days to come from Germany to Canada (Montréal) with > one include day for custom. The world is very small. > > François Lefebvre > > > > _ > MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! > http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Wagner Tuba
The Ricco Kürn Wagner Tuba is very special. First, i play normally on Hans Hoyer Horn with a Thompson T1 or T3 mouthpiece. On the Wagner Tuba , it comes with a JK W3AM mouthpiece but i prefer my Thompson, the sound is more rich. Second: it is very very easy to play this Tuben, more easy then my horn the sound is great, very easy to tune, and stable all the range long I can make the Siegfried Solo as beautiful as i never be able to do on my horn ... !!! The upper UT is nothing to do, the upper Bb is right on on both side Bb and F The lower note are massive and strong, and you can give power and the sound stay sound, no cracks ... !!! The sound is between a horn and a trombone but the big difference is to play without the left hand in. The sound is very strong, intense, and you must be away from bad note ... everybody will heard you. Tomorrow i practice with the group ... and we have 1941 (Williams) to play .. I will try the tuben. (we are 6 horns normally in the group) Conclusion: The Tuben is instrument to try, and i am sure i will have fun with this instrument. I will give you more impression in future, after few weeks of practice. P.S. It's takes only 4 days to come from Germany to Canada (Montréal) with one include day for custom. The world is very small. François Lefebvre _ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba
Ricco Kühn create a version of Bb Tuben first with 4 valves. On this version he had the F part. So the new version i received have some modifications Ricco write this " Unfortunately, I will have a little delay in this series. During the time I prepared this currently Wagner Tubas, I had a very good idea to improve this instruments further. Now I use a new mouthpipe and two improved parts of the main pipe. We tried this new parts with the first tuba and the opinions about it was very positive. The sound is larger and the intonation at the low register ( F- side) is even better than before. I think, this little variations are a good improvement." Now i have to work with to test the felling between the two side. If i see the quality of Ricco Horn, i am supposed to have a good instrument. François From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:09:54 +0100 (MET) Double Tuba, wow, wow, better intonation, o.k., but how about the sound characteristics of the Bb-tuba compared with the F-tuba. There is absolutely no distinction on a double tuba. But the single (4 valved) tubas have a great difference in sound & the function of the two pairs is ver different. See Wagners & Bruckners scores !!! > > I just received my new Wagner Tuba > It is comming from Germany special order to > Ricco Kuehn. > > I was wainting since may 2002 > > A double Wagner Tuba ... Wow !!! > > Ricco made 5 wagner tuba this year, 4 for a german symphony > and this one. He change something on the F side to be more > on picth all the range, so it is a new design ... > > Now i have to play low range with something special > > and my horn will be jealous .. > > François Lefebvre > > > > > > > > _ > MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! > http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn _ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba
Double Tuba, wow, wow, better intonation, o.k., but how about the sound characteristics of the Bb-tuba compared with the F-tuba. There is absolutely no distinction on a double tuba. But the single (4 valved) tubas have a great difference in sound & the function of the two pairs is ver different. See Wagners & Bruckners scores !!! > > I just received my new Wagner Tuba > It is comming from Germany special order to > Ricco Kuehn. > > I was wainting since may 2002 > > A double Wagner Tuba ... Wow !!! > > Ricco made 5 wagner tuba this year, 4 for a german symphony > and this one. He change something on the F side to be more > on picth all the range, so it is a new design ... > > Now i have to play low range with something special > > and my horn will be jealous .. > > François Lefebvre > > > > > > > > _ > MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! > http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba
I just received my new Wagner Tuba It is comming from Germany special order to Ricco Kuehn. I was wainting since may 2002 A double Wagner Tuba ... Wow !!! Ricco made 5 wagner tuba this year, 4 for a german symphony and this one. He change something on the F side to be more on picth all the range, so it is a new design ... Now i have to play low range with something special and my horn will be jealous .. François Lefebvre _ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
