Re: [HOT] HOT Board and Chair Elections
On 3/6/2015 2:29 PM, Heather Leson wrote: 3. Gender Are you a women? Please run for the Board. Ask me any questions and I can help. Claire was on the Board with me this past year. It made a difference in dynamic. One thing that we have not broached enough is the what I like to call the mapper dude dynamic. For my male colleagues, you are awesome. I have the utmost respect for you. Honest. I am slightly uncomfortable bringing up the topic of gender, which is a sign in itself. If we are growing globally, we need to also have more women inspired to be members and community leaders. I can't put my finger on why more women are not involved, but we need to think about it. This will come in time as is evident from the changing nature of some of the workshops of late. But, there is a gap. Just like HOT needs a balanced Board of diverse skills and locations, we also need women. See some of the research. Hi Heather, I just wanted to chime and say I second the idea of more outreach to women to serve on the Board, as well as participate in our community where ever they might be interested. I perceive our community as a safe space for everyone and I am very proud of that. And if my perception is mistaken and someone does not feel that way, please let us know so we can fix where we are failing. I think it is very appropriate to keep gender in mind when finding people for any role in our community. On a recent HOT Summit conference call while discussing speakers, someone spoke up and said Should we consider gender balance in our speakers line up? I am sorry I didn't catch who said it, but yes, yes we should and thank you for bringing it up and knocking some of us out of our default mode of not considering it. And thank you Heather for bringing it up in this discussion as well. Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
Hey Ray, Some shortcuts for JOSM are here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Keyboard_Shortcuts The learning materials for OSM are constantly being developed and improved. MapGive created some nice intro materials http://mapgive.state.gov/learn-to-map/. HOT is still actively working on learnosm (http://learnosm.org/en/). HOT has also just started to develop OSM tracing guides (http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/). Both of the HOT projects are GitHub repositories (https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm and https://github.com/hotosm/tracing-guides). Contributors welcome! You don't need to write tutorials, it's helpful if you even just submit issues via Github to request materials or point out deficiencies/mistakes. If you don't have/want a Github account, notify the list and I'm sure someone can log the issue for you. All the best, Dan Joseph On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 15:12:21 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the heck of it I ran JOSM validation on a tile I was mapping before touching it. It turned up duplicate buildings, crossed buildings, lots of highways separated by a few inches etc. Do we need an idiot guide? A sort of this is how to provide the maximum benefit for the least effort. Speaking as an idiot, I would say that the answer to this is yes. Perhaps you think I jest Mine would probably run along the lines of for Africa the convention is only the following values of highways are used for minor highways: path, track, unclassified, use highway=road if you are uncertain. Someone will probably have tagged the secondary and primary highways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsecondary If possible use JOSM especially for buildings. Please map buildings as building=yes do not assume it is a house. As a 2-3 times per week mapper (who wishes I could do more), it can get frustrating. Lots of projects point to the Africa roads page but that page is hard to interpret for any particular context. There is a lot of information. And I hate to say it but I use ID and it drives me nuts. This may be from browser/js/platform issues. I am using Firefox 36.0 on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. But I have looked at JOSM and it is somewhat bewildering and I have no idea how long it would take to get over the first humps of the learning curve. For now, my annoyances with ID are tolerable. If one was able to look at a task and see what tags where being used and how often within just that task, this might help the African roads situation. People use maps to get from one place to another, if the highways are joined up then routing software such as comes as part of OSMAND can be used. Look for highways around settlements that connect to other settlements. Crtlarrow in JOSM will navigate vertically or horizontally making scanning easier. I should see if there is a cheat sheet for JOSM. It would be nice to know what control-shift-elbox-J does and all that. Of course, these may be platform specific (eg Windows keys vs Linux keys vs MacOS X keys). I assume that most of these errors have crept in because JOSM validation was not used. I suspect that the immediate feedback from JOSM might assist our less skilled mappers to improve their skills. Cheerio John There needs to be validation on input and obviously both ID and JOSM do some, but can validation be done on the server? This would be better, especially if the results can be communicated to users. A HOT task could have a Validations tab. I, for one, would like to see the things that have been already fixed in data in that task. It would let me know when there are things not to do. If I am going to make a mistake within a task's maps, it is at least a bit likely that others will make or have made similar mistakes in the same context. Again, seeing the phrase JOSM might assist our less skilled mappers, I have to wonder what you are thinking about here. Any sentence with both JOSM and less skilled mappers in it is going to lead to bad things. JOSM might be easier than it is, but I am not even very sure of that. Sometimes complex tasks require complex tools. One just hopes that there are options between the very-simple-but-also-brain-dead tool and the amazingly-powerful-but-shockingly-unintuitive tool. I am not saying that this is what JSOM and ID are, but hopefully you see my point. So, grump back at ya. :-) cheers - ray ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
Right the basic idiot guide. First write down your OSM userid and password. For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings. Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential. Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the bottom. We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest. Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button. Download the list. Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical order, click it and ignore the rest. go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917 Read the instructions. Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM. Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM map for the tile. We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select Bing. Now we need to trace over the image. We'll use two buttons directly under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes. Hover the mouse over them to display the tags. Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90 meters shows on the scale. Personally I start at the top right corner and use Crtldown arrow to scan the image. The following is not the official way to do things but its fast. Draw round each settlement but don't tag it. If you're lucky enough to find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag it. As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road. Stick to one type of highway omit the others for the moment. The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools. When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload. On the right hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation Results box, click on the + by the warning. You'll see untagged ways. Highlight the untagged ways and select them. In tags Add landuse=residential to them all. Click the upload button once more, again you'll get a warning this time saying landuse residential has unclosed ways, select these as a group. In tags Edit and change the tag to highway=unclassified. Now upload. You may need your OSM userid and password at this point. You'll notice that JOSM already has the source of the image filled in and the HOT tile etc. Now go back and look for highway=tracks. Again don't tag until JOSM warns you on uploading then tag them all at once. For rectangle buildings press b for the building plug-in, now find the longest side and mouse click one corner, follow the edge to the next corner then click again, now drag the mouse to the other side. Click once more and the building is done and correctly tagged for HOT. There is a lot more to JOSM but this guide's objective is to get you going productively quickly. Cheerio John On 6 March 2015 at 15:07, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 15:12:21 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the heck of it I ran JOSM validation on a tile I was mapping before touching it. It turned up duplicate buildings, crossed buildings, lots of highways separated by a few inches etc. Do we need an idiot guide? A sort of this is how to provide the maximum benefit for the least effort. Speaking as an idiot, I would say that the answer to this is yes. Perhaps you think I jest Mine would probably run along the lines of for Africa the convention is only the following values of highways are used for minor highways: path, track, unclassified, use highway=road if you are uncertain. Someone will probably have tagged the secondary and primary highways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsecondary If possible use JOSM especially for buildings. Please map buildings as building=yes do not assume it is a house. As a 2-3 times per week mapper (who wishes I could do more), it can get frustrating. Lots of projects point to the Africa roads page but that page is hard to interpret for any particular context. There is a lot of information. And I hate to say it but I use ID and it drives me nuts. This may be from browser/js/platform issues. I am using Firefox 36.0 on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. But I have looked at JOSM and it is somewhat bewildering and I have no idea how long it would take to get over the first humps of the learning curve. For now, my annoyances with ID are tolerable. If one was able to look at a task and see what tags where being used and how often within just that task, this might help the African roads situation. People use maps to get from one place to another, if the highways are joined up then routing software such as comes as part of OSMAND can be used. Look for highways around settlements that connect to other settlements.
Re: [HOT] Contacting mappers with spaces in their names
Thanks John On 6 March 2015 at 08:29, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, You can just type it in directly with square brackets around the name: @[First Last] for example That should do it, it just will not auto complete. cheers, Blake On 3/6/2015 2:21 PM, john whelan wrote: How do you do it? GEES +NN so looks like a student group of students but making fairly basic mistakes I'd like to catch early. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches?
Actually, I was considering mapping all the fences as well, because the patterns are really beautiful ... Right now I took a brave (or stupid?) decision to change some long stretches from highway to waterway=ditch. One was even tagged as motorway_link . With the imagery it is often quite hard to tell the difference bewteen paths or raods and ditches, but it seems to make more sense that there are many drainage ditches in those wetlands. And the end is a giveaway: roads normally dont end in rivers http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H I wasnt sure about the middle structure though, this could be path or ditch. maybe there are path running along such ditches. What do you think? Or doesnt it matter at all, as no humanitarian units would need this information for finding the people? (At least it does make sense to remove the motorway, I guess ...) Also I found this video that shows some of the area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I - it does look quite wet there, but of course this will depend on the season. Gesendet:Freitag, 06. Mrz 2015 um 12:52 Uhr Von:Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com An:Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com Cc:Kretzer kret...@gmx.net, hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff:Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads Hello, On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com wrote: The larger round huts are dwellings, the smaller ones are storage. The linear items around the buildings and huts are walls (barrier=wall). In South Sudan, actually it is generally fences and not walls. Check on these pics The buildings and huts should be labelled building=yes. On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi, I have some questions about this new project: In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many buildings stretched in long lines. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one or two single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the buildings? I cant even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent living, just assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area? Im also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They could well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material would be collected there). Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road thats not even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesnt make sense (particularly as the other main road can clearly be seen as something like that), but didnt dare to touch the top-level structures. Thanks, and sorry again if I am asking in the wrong place! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Board and Chair Elections
Hi Heather, all, Thanks for your email and the entry on your diary page [0]. There's a lot of great stuff here and I want to raise a specific issue that's been on my mind for a while now: The list of Board candidates is not as diverse as the list of Voting Members. Heather, you've mentioned that in your email above with Are you a woman? and the list of desired skills on the diary entry shows the same. Basically, yes, we need more women to be putting themselves forward as candidates. We should also be drawing Board members from a wider pool of the Voting Members. I guess this leads to a question I have: Do we as an organisation have a vision for how our Board looks as a whole or do we concentrate on individual personalities, plans and pledges? I have seen in other organisations, for example not too far removed from HOT, where diversity on the Board is a great discussion point. In HOT this is much less so. Is this because, as I've argued before, the Board nomination / voting process is too short and occasionally rushed? Should the next Board be looking to define the nature and structure of the Board that follows it? Should Board members be actively seeking out people with the qualities you've listed (and many more beside) to take the organisation further? This is an example the strategic vs operational distinction that I mentioned in my Board statement. The role of the Board being, in my mind, to work on strategy and not the day to day running of the group. Most importantly at this point, however, is the opportunity to put some of the above concerns right. We've got 3 and a bit days left to get nominations in. If you're reading this and thinking you have opinions on HOT and it's governance that you want to share, please do. If you're considering running for the Board but don't have someone to nominate you, or don't feel comfortable asking, please write up your position and add your name to the table at the top of the wiki page [1]. We have 3-ish days to go and are currently one person short of a full Board for next term, this doesn't seem to be a good situation. We want to have a choice of people to vote for and we want to have enough time to properly weigh up the arguments and discuss points with candidates and the HOT community. Thanks, Joseph [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Heather%20Leson/diary [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Board_Elections_2015 On 6 March 2015 at 13:29, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Blake and colleagues, thank you most kindly for this nomination. I'm delighted to see more candidates put their names forward. I nominated Mark. While a new member, I appreciate his positive, professional focus. Plus, he is keen to help us grow in Asia. As new faces put their names forward, I wanted to say a few more words about HOT and our future. 1. Governance We really need to think firmly about Board continuity and organizational development/sustainability. It is very hard to do annual elections, but if the membership feels this is the best method, I will support it. Perhaps we could move to different terms. Some examples from our friends in the wider Open Source world: http://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Projects/FLOSS+Foundations+Board+Selection On working groups, I noted this previously in my statement but wanted to expand on this. I feel that the working groups need to be stronger and engage in more decision making. This is really part of our evolution. My colleague at Drupal tells me that about year 3/4 of that global organization, this transition occurred to build the organization better. I love this and think that all of us should review how other organizations work and learn from them. Previously I mentioned Jono Bacon's book on the Art of Community (Ubuntu). He frames some of the theory on this. I've also see this done very poorly, so we need to really trust the Governance group to help us. I promise to extend my wider network to inform this research. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Board_Elections_2015 2. What being a Board member has taught me? Well, Being on HOT's board has been an incredible personal journey. In the past years, I have scoured BoardSource.org, read negotiation, leadership, community and strategy books. I've contacted other Board members from other organizations to learn how to better serve HOT. The questions and topics we discuss are top on my mind often. It is my learning and teaching zone. With that, HOT has made me a better manager, leader and person. I use the lessons and skills I've learned from my experience as a HOT board member every day. If you are looking to grow as an employee or person, being on the Board of HOT is a rigorous and demanding sandbox. Each of you have taught me to rethink context, language and perspectives. While we all naturally do this, HOT has evolved and as we do in a positive, productive way, the HOT Board can do
Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads
Hello, On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com wrote: The larger round huts are dwellings, the smaller ones are storage. The linear items around the buildings and huts are walls (barrier=wall). In South Sudan, actually it is generally fences and not walls. Check on these pics https://www.google.com/search?q=mayenditclient=ubuntuhs=nHschannel=fssource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=Bo75VN6AGoHnUPrRgZAHved=0CAkQ_AUoAw#channel=fstbs=itp:phototbm=ischq=village+south+sudan+trip The buildings and huts should be labelled building=yes. On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi, I have some questions about this new project: In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many buildings stretched in long lines. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one or two single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the buildings? I can't even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent living, just assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area? I'm also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They could well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material would be collected there). Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road that's not even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesn't make sense (particularly as the other main road can clearly be seen as something like that), but didn't dare to touch the top-level structures. Thanks, and sorry again if I am asking in the wrong place! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Contacting mappers with spaces in their names
Hi John, You can just type it in directly with square brackets around the name: @[First Last] for example That should do it, it just will not auto complete. cheers, Blake On 3/6/2015 2:21 PM, john whelan wrote: How do you do it? GEES +NN so looks like a student group of students but making fairly basic mistakes I'd like to catch early. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Stepping down from the HOT Board
Harry, Thank you for all your years of service to HOT. It has been a pleasure to collaborate with you. Your balanced realism and ability to bridge all the conversations. Add to this your constant diligence to proudly speak on HOT's behalf and lead with the Missing Maps Project. Your shoes, much like Mikel's, will be large to fill. Here's to honouring your amazing contributions. Thank you! Heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote: I will not be re-running for the HOT board this time around. I decided it's time to step aside. I have the feeling there is a great bunch of enthusiastic members now, so I'm hopeful that I'll be making way for some good new talent. Thanks to Joseph for urging people to get their nominations in. I'm glad to see that has spurred a few more people to do so. Some great candidates so far: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Board_Elections_2015 We'll need a few more people to put themselves forward. If you're thinking of it, there's not much time, but I'd be happy to chat to you about it if you're not sure. And I recommend it! I've served on the board since mid 2011. Over the years we've had occasional drama, and other challenges, but on the whole it has been a very enjoyable and rewarding experience. More than that, it has been a huge honour to be elected into this position of leadership. HOT is made up of so many passionate dedicated folks, and thanks to some hard work by this team, HOT has an increasingly important place in the world. This has been clear to me in conversations with humanitarian groups who are using our maps to make a difference. And in such conversations it always filled me with pride to be able to say I'm on the board of HOT. We have a few more weeks with the existing board, and some difficult remaining things to work on. At the end of this month I'm ready to help a new board with taking over. Beyond that of course I shall continue with technical, community, and mapping contributions, and representing in London as HOT member. Harry Wood ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Contacting mappers with spaces in their names
How do you do it? GEES +NN so looks like a student group of students but making fairly basic mistakes I'd like to catch early. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Board and Chair Elections
Blake and colleagues, thank you most kindly for this nomination. I'm delighted to see more candidates put their names forward. I nominated Mark. While a new member, I appreciate his positive, professional focus. Plus, he is keen to help us grow in Asia. As new faces put their names forward, I wanted to say a few more words about HOT and our future. 1. Governance We really need to think firmly about Board continuity and organizational development/sustainability. It is very hard to do annual elections, but if the membership feels this is the best method, I will support it. Perhaps we could move to different terms. Some examples from our friends in the wider Open Source world: http://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Projects/FLOSS+Foundations+Board+Selection On working groups, I noted this previously in my statement but wanted to expand on this. I feel that the working groups need to be stronger and engage in more decision making. This is really part of our evolution. My colleague at Drupal tells me that about year 3/4 of that global organization, this transition occurred to build the organization better. I love this and think that all of us should review how other organizations work and learn from them. Previously I mentioned Jono Bacon's book on the Art of Community (Ubuntu). He frames some of the theory on this. I've also see this done very poorly, so we need to really trust the Governance group to help us. I promise to extend my wider network to inform this research. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Board_Elections_2015 2. What being a Board member has taught me? Well, Being on HOT's board has been an incredible personal journey. In the past years, I have scoured BoardSource.org, read negotiation, leadership, community and strategy books. I've contacted other Board members from other organizations to learn how to better serve HOT. The questions and topics we discuss are top on my mind often. It is my learning and teaching zone. With that, HOT has made me a better manager, leader and person. I use the lessons and skills I've learned from my experience as a HOT board member every day. If you are looking to grow as an employee or person, being on the Board of HOT is a rigorous and demanding sandbox. Each of you have taught me to rethink context, language and perspectives. While we all naturally do this, HOT has evolved and as we do in a positive, productive way, the HOT Board can do this as well. This is a gift for all the Board duties. I would highly recommend that you (at some point in your career) be on a Board for an NGO. It will give you the big picture, the weight of responsibility (contracts, staff, members, community, organization and, whew, humanitarians). I often worry about our partner's perspective. Are we doing enough, are they happy with us and how can we better stabilize to keep opening the door with HOT and digital humanitarians. This has made me very driven on our future. It has streamlined my ability to prioritize and really dream big. All of this, again, makes me a better human and very proud of all the efforts - the simple and the very hard. Lessons I learned from the working groups have informed conversations with other open source organizations. I cite what I learned from HOT or how HOT co-created a strategy document or grant, or how HOT built a resolution process and has navigated to be more peaceful and hopefully productive. These organizational community leaders listen to this and then go back to their communities to talk about HOT's best practices. This is all our work. 3. Gender Are you a women? Please run for the Board. Ask me any questions and I can help. Claire was on the Board with me this past year. It made a difference in dynamic. One thing that we have not broached enough is the what I like to call the mapper dude dynamic. For my male colleagues, you are awesome. I have the utmost respect for you. Honest. I am slightly uncomfortable bringing up the topic of gender, which is a sign in itself. If we are growing globally, we need to also have more women inspired to be members and community leaders. I can't put my finger on why more women are not involved, but we need to think about it. This will come in time as is evident from the changing nature of some of the workshops of late. But, there is a gap. Just like HOT needs a balanced Board of diverse skills and locations, we also need women. See some of the research. http://www.forbes.com/sites/chicceo/2014/03/11/the-case-for-women-on-boards-sxsw-2014/ Fellow Candidates - I'll review all your notes and send more conversation points later tonight. Thank you, heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I think it would work to use the one table for people seeking nomination for either the Board or Chair, just make sure it’s obvious which one your seeking nomination
Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre De : Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 Objet : [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- Pete Masters Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org @pedrito1414 @theMissingMaps facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mayendit task
Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] 10 Years of OSM + HOT?
Hi all, wanted to share this great visualization of ten years of OSM edits: https://www.mapbox.com/ten-years-openstreetmap/ in case people had not seen it on social media. A question for the group - is there an available dataset/API in json, geojson, shapefile, etc that shows the locations of all historical and current HOT tasks - ideally with dates of creation? I know it's available per-taskhttp://tasks.hotosm.org/project/907/tasks.json as geojson but thought it might be available as a big chunk as well. I think it would be a really interesting overlay to add to the 10-year map or other OSM visualizations - especially in W. Africa during the Ebola epidemic, you can clearly see in the time-based visualization where there were big impacts from the HOT community. Thanks, Sam ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches?
It appears that the Leer-Mayendit primary road in the north portion of the project is under construction in this imagery? Is it flooded? There appears to be quite a bit of water in the video. Any tag requirements? Regards, Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: Actually, I was considering mapping all the fences as well, because the patterns are really beautiful ... Right now I took a brave (or stupid?) decision to change some long stretches from highway to waterway=ditch. One was even tagged as motorway_link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link . With the imagery it is often quite hard to tell the difference bewteen paths or raods and ditches, but it seems to make more sense that there are many drainage ditches in those wetlands. And the end is a giveaway: roads normally don't end in rivers http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H I wasn't sure about the middle structure though, this could be path or ditch. maybe there are path running along such ditches. What do you think? Or doesn't it matter at all, as no humanitarian units would need this information for finding the people? (At least it does make sense to remove the motorway, I guess ...) Also I found this video that shows some of the area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I - it does look quite wet there, but of course this will depend on the season. *Gesendet:* Freitag, 06. März 2015 um 12:52 Uhr *Von:* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *An:* Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com *Cc:* Kretzer kret...@gmx.net, hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Betreff:* Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads Hello, On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com wrote: The larger round huts are dwellings, the smaller ones are storage. The linear items around the buildings and huts are walls (barrier=wall). In South Sudan, actually it is generally fences and not walls. Check on these pics https://www.google.com/search?q=mayenditclient=ubuntuhs=nHschannel=fssource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=Bo75VN6AGoHnUPrRgZAHved=0CAkQ_AUoAw#channel=fstbs=itp:phototbm=ischq=village+south+sudan+trip The buildings and huts should be labelled building=yes. On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi, I have some questions about this new project: In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many buildings stretched in long lines. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one or two single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the buildings? I can't even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent living, just assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area? I'm also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They could well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material would be collected there). Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road that's not even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesn't make sense (particularly as the other main road can clearly be seen as something like that), but didn't dare to touch the top-level structures. Thanks, and sorry again if I am asking in the wrong place! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches?
Yes, I think the plane is landing on that very road, coming in from the north. I think I recognized this bypass (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1476/30.0169) in the video at about 1:00. But the road I was changing into a ditch was in the north east, clearly not visible as a major road and running straight into the big river. I think a lot of the area is flooded often, but have no local knowlegde whatsoever. Gesendet: Freitag, 06. März 2015 um 18:27 Uhr Von: Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com An: Kein Empfänger Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches? It appears that the Leer-Mayendit primary road in the north portion of the project is under construction in this imagery? Is it flooded? There appears to be quite a bit of water in the video. Any tag requirements? Regards, Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: Actually, I was considering mapping all the fences as well, because the patterns are really beautiful ... Right now I took a brave (or stupid?) decision to change some long stretches from highway to waterway=ditch. One was even tagged as motorway_link[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link] . With the imagery it is often quite hard to tell the difference bewteen paths or raods and ditches, but it seems to make more sense that there are many drainage ditches in those wetlands. And the end is a giveaway: roads normally don't end in rivers http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H[http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H] I wasn't sure about the middle structure though, this could be path or ditch. maybe there are path running along such ditches. What do you think? Or doesn't it matter at all, as no humanitarian units would need this information for finding the people? (At least it does make sense to remove the motorway, I guess ...) Also I found this video that shows some of the area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I] - it does look quite wet there, but of course this will depend on the season. Gesendet: Freitag, 06. März 2015 um 12:52 Uhr Von: Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com[severin.men...@gmail.com] An: Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com[tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com] Cc: Kretzer kret...@gmx.net[kret...@gmx.net], hot@openstreetmap.org[hot@openstreetmap.org] hot@openstreetmap.org[hot@openstreetmap.org] Betreff: Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads Hello, On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com[http://tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com] wrote:The larger round huts are dwellings, the smaller ones are storage. The linear items around the buildings and huts are walls (barrier=wall). In South Sudan, actually it is generally fences and not walls. Check on these pics[https://www.google.com/search?q=mayenditclient=ubuntuhs=nHschannel=fssource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=Bo75VN6AGoHnUPrRgZAHved=0CAkQ_AUoAw#channel=fstbs=itp:phototbm=ischq=village+south+sudan+trip] The buildings and huts should be labelled building=yes. On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi, I have some questions about this new project: In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many buildings stretched in long lines. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H[http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H] I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one or two single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the buildings? I can't even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent living, just assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area? I'm also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They could well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material would be collected there). Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road that's not even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesn't make sense (particularly as the other main road can clearly be seen as something like that), but didn't dare to touch the top-level structures. Thanks, and sorry again if I am asking in the wrong place! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org[http://HOT@openstreetmap.org] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org[http://HOT@openstreetmap.org] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org[HOT@openstreetmap.org] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org
[HOT] Fw: Aw: Re: #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches?
sorry, I really meant north-west - top-left, that is ... confused ... Gesendet:Freitag, 06. Mrz 2015 um 18:41 Uhr Von:Kretzer kret...@gmx.net An:Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com Cc:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff:Aw: Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches? Yes, I think the plane is landing on that very road, coming in from the north. I think I recognized this bypass (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1476/30.0169) in the video at about 1:00. But the road I was changing into a ditch was in the north east, clearly not visible as a major road and running straight into the big river. I think a lot of the area is flooded often, but have no local knowlegde whatsoever. Gesendet:Freitag, 06. Mrz 2015 um 18:27 Uhr Von:Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com An:Kein Empfnger Cc:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff:Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches? It appears that the Leer-Mayendit primary road in the north portion of the project is under construction in this imagery? Is it flooded? There appears to be quite a bit of water in the video. Any tag requirements? Regards, Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: Actually, I was considering mapping all the fences as well, because the patterns are really beautiful ... Right now I took a brave (or stupid?) decision to change some long stretches from highway to waterway=ditch. One was even tagged as motorway_link[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link] . With the imagery it is often quite hard to tell the difference bewteen paths or raods and ditches, but it seems to make more sense that there are many drainage ditches in those wetlands. And the end is a giveaway: roads normally dont end in rivers http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H[http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H] I wasnt sure about the middle structure though, this could be path or ditch. maybe there are path running along such ditches. What do you think? Or doesnt it matter at all, as no humanitarian units would need this information for finding the people? (At least it does make sense to remove the motorway, I guess ...) Also I found this video that shows some of the area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I] - it does look quite wet there, but of course this will depend on the season. Gesendet:Freitag, 06. Mrz 2015 um 12:52 Uhr Von:Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com[severin.men...@gmail.com] An:Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com[tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com] Cc:Kretzer kret...@gmx.net[kret...@gmx.net], hot@openstreetmap.org[hot@openstreetmap.org] hot@openstreetmap.org[hot@openstreetmap.org] Betreff:Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads Hello, On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com[http://tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com] wrote:The larger round huts are dwellings, the smaller ones are storage. The linear items around the buildings and huts are walls (barrier=wall). In South Sudan, actually it is generally fences and not walls. Check on these pics[https://www.google.com/search?q=mayenditclient=ubuntuhs=nHschannel=fssource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=Bo75VN6AGoHnUPrRgZAHved=0CAkQ_AUoAw#channel=fstbs=itp:phototbm=ischq=village+south+sudan+trip] The buildings and huts should be labelled building=yes. On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi, I have some questions about this new project: In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many buildings stretched in long lines. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H[http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H] I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one or two single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the buildings? I cant even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent living, just assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area? Im also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They could well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material would be collected there). Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road thats not even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesnt make sense (particularly as the other main road can clearly be seen as something like that), but didnt dare to touch the top-level structures. Thanks, and sorry again if I am asking in the wrong place! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org[http://HOT@openstreetmap.org] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org[http://HOT@openstreetmap.org] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 15:12:21 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the heck of it I ran JOSM validation on a tile I was mapping before touching it. It turned up duplicate buildings, crossed buildings, lots of highways separated by a few inches etc. Do we need an idiot guide? A sort of this is how to provide the maximum benefit for the least effort. Speaking as an idiot, I would say that the answer to this is yes. Perhaps you think I jest Mine would probably run along the lines of for Africa the convention is only the following values of highways are used for minor highways: path, track, unclassified, use highway=road if you are uncertain. Someone will probably have tagged the secondary and primary highways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsecondary If possible use JOSM especially for buildings. Please map buildings as building=yes do not assume it is a house. As a 2-3 times per week mapper (who wishes I could do more), it can get frustrating. Lots of projects point to the Africa roads page but that page is hard to interpret for any particular context. There is a lot of information. And I hate to say it but I use ID and it drives me nuts. This may be from browser/js/platform issues. I am using Firefox 36.0 on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. But I have looked at JOSM and it is somewhat bewildering and I have no idea how long it would take to get over the first humps of the learning curve. For now, my annoyances with ID are tolerable. If one was able to look at a task and see what tags where being used and how often within just that task, this might help the African roads situation. People use maps to get from one place to another, if the highways are joined up then routing software such as comes as part of OSMAND can be used. Look for highways around settlements that connect to other settlements. Crtlarrow in JOSM will navigate vertically or horizontally making scanning easier. I should see if there is a cheat sheet for JOSM. It would be nice to know what control-shift-elbox-J does and all that. Of course, these may be platform specific (eg Windows keys vs Linux keys vs MacOS X keys). I assume that most of these errors have crept in because JOSM validation was not used. I suspect that the immediate feedback from JOSM might assist our less skilled mappers to improve their skills. Cheerio John There needs to be validation on input and obviously both ID and JOSM do some, but can validation be done on the server? This would be better, especially if the results can be communicated to users. A HOT task could have a Validations tab. I, for one, would like to see the things that have been already fixed in data in that task. It would let me know when there are things not to do. If I am going to make a mistake within a task's maps, it is at least a bit likely that others will make or have made similar mistakes in the same context. Again, seeing the phrase JOSM might assist our less skilled mappers, I have to wonder what you are thinking about here. Any sentence with both JOSM and less skilled mappers in it is going to lead to bad things. JOSM might be easier than it is, but I am not even very sure of that. Sometimes complex tasks require complex tools. One just hopes that there are options between the very-simple-but-also-brain-dead tool and the amazingly-powerful-but-shockingly-unintuitive tool. I am not saying that this is what JSOM and ID are, but hopefully you see my point. So, grump back at ya. :-) cheers - ray ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Fw: Aw: Re: #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches?
Kretzer, There are wetlands in this area and we see a derivation. It could be seasonal floods as you say but. A fixme tag would let ask evaluation from field teams. I suggest to add to such segments of highways the following tags- flood_prone=yes- fixme=Validate if this segment is flooded some periods of the year. Pierre De : Kretzer kret...@gmx.net À : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 6 mars 2015 12h45 Objet : [HOT] Fw: Aw: Re: #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches? sorry, I really meant north-west - top-left, that is ... confused ... Gesendet: Freitag, 06. März 2015 um 18:41 Uhr Von: Kretzer kret...@gmx.net An: Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Aw: Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches? Yes, I think the plane is landing on that very road, coming in from the north. I think I recognized this bypass (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1476/30.0169) in the video at about 1:00. But the road I was changing into a ditch was in the north east, clearly not visible as a major road and running straight into the big river. I think a lot of the area is flooded often, but have no local knowlegde whatsoever. Gesendet: Freitag, 06. März 2015 um 18:27 Uhr Von: Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com An: Kein Empfänger Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - highways to ditches? It appears that the Leer-Mayendit primary road in the north portion of the project is under construction in this imagery? Is it flooded? There appears to be quite a bit of water in the video. Any tag requirements? Regards, Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: Actually, I was considering mapping all the fences as well, because the patterns are really beautiful ... Right now I took a brave (or stupid?) decision to change some long stretches from highway to waterway=ditch. One was even tagged as motorway_link[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link] . With the imagery it is often quite hard to tell the difference bewteen paths or raods and ditches, but it seems to make more sense that there are many drainage ditches in those wetlands. And the end is a giveaway: roads normally don't end in rivers http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H[http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1729/29.9339layers=H] I wasn't sure about the middle structure though, this could be path or ditch. maybe there are path running along such ditches. What do you think? Or doesn't it matter at all, as no humanitarian units would need this information for finding the people? (At least it does make sense to remove the motorway, I guess ...) Also I found this video that shows some of the area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbDQNj6X_I] - it does look quite wet there, but of course this will depend on the season. Gesendet: Freitag, 06. März 2015 um 12:52 Uhr Von: Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com[severin.men...@gmail.com] An: Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com[tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com] Cc: Kretzer kret...@gmx.net[kret...@gmx.net], hot@openstreetmap.org[hot@openstreetmap.org] hot@openstreetmap.org[hot@openstreetmap.org] Betreff: Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads Hello, On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com[http://tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com] wrote:The larger round huts are dwellings, the smaller ones are storage. The linear items around the buildings and huts are walls (barrier=wall). In South Sudan, actually it is generally fences and not walls. Check on these pics[https://www.google.com/search?q=mayenditclient=ubuntuhs=nHschannel=fssource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=Bo75VN6AGoHnUPrRgZAHved=0CAkQ_AUoAw#channel=fstbs=itp:phototbm=ischq=village+south+sudan+trip] The buildings and huts should be labelled building=yes. On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi, I have some questions about this new project: In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many buildings stretched in long lines. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H[http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H] I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one or two single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the buildings? I can't even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent living, just assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area? I'm also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They could well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material would be collected there). Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road that's not even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesn't make sense
Re: [HOT] HOT Board and Chair Elections
Hi Heather and all Heather, I absolutely agree with your thoughts on the role women can play. I encourage any women out there who may be considering in getting involved at the Board level, or any other level, to please do so, it would be a pleasure to work with you. You have as much to contribute as anyone else and I personally would be inspired to see more women involved. In many parts of the world, women play a key role in their society and having people on board who can relate with them I believe is important for HOT''s continued growth and development as a global organization. I love the Mapper Dude term .. really cool .. Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Blake and colleagues, thank you most kindly for this nomination. I'm delighted to see more candidates put their names forward. I nominated Mark. While a new member, I appreciate his positive, professional focus. Plus, he is keen to help us grow in Asia. As new faces put their names forward, I wanted to say a few more words about HOT and our future. 1. Governance We really need to think firmly about Board continuity and organizational development/sustainability. It is very hard to do annual elections, but if the membership feels this is the best method, I will support it. Perhaps we could move to different terms. Some examples from our friends in the wider Open Source world: http://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Projects/FLOSS+Foundations+Board+Selection On working groups, I noted this previously in my statement but wanted to expand on this. I feel that the working groups need to be stronger and engage in more decision making. This is really part of our evolution. My colleague at Drupal tells me that about year 3/4 of that global organization, this transition occurred to build the organization better. I love this and think that all of us should review how other organizations work and learn from them. Previously I mentioned Jono Bacon's book on the Art of Community (Ubuntu). He frames some of the theory on this. I've also see this done very poorly, so we need to really trust the Governance group to help us. I promise to extend my wider network to inform this research. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Board_Elections_2015 2. What being a Board member has taught me? Well, Being on HOT's board has been an incredible personal journey. In the past years, I have scoured BoardSource.org, read negotiation, leadership, community and strategy books. I've contacted other Board members from other organizations to learn how to better serve HOT. The questions and topics we discuss are top on my mind often. It is my learning and teaching zone. With that, HOT has made me a better manager, leader and person. I use the lessons and skills I've learned from my experience as a HOT board member every day. If you are looking to grow as an employee or person, being on the Board of HOT is a rigorous and demanding sandbox. Each of you have taught me to rethink context, language and perspectives. While we all naturally do this, HOT has evolved and as we do in a positive, productive way, the HOT Board can do this as well. This is a gift for all the Board duties. I would highly recommend that you (at some point in your career) be on a Board for an NGO. It will give you the big picture, the weight of responsibility (contracts, staff, members, community, organization and, whew, humanitarians). I often worry about our partner's perspective. Are we doing enough, are they happy with us and how can we better stabilize to keep opening the door with HOT and digital humanitarians. This has made me very driven on our future. It has streamlined my ability to prioritize and really dream big. All of this, again, makes me a better human and very proud of all the efforts - the simple and the very hard. Lessons I learned from the working groups have informed conversations with other open source organizations. I cite what I learned from HOT or how HOT co-created a strategy document or grant, or how HOT built a resolution process and has navigated to be more peaceful and hopefully productive. These organizational community leaders listen to this and then go back to their communities to talk about HOT's best practices. This is all our work. 3. Gender Are you a women? Please run for the Board. Ask me any questions and I can help. Claire was on the Board with me this past year. It made a difference in dynamic. One thing that we have not broached enough is the what I like to call the mapper dude dynamic. For my male colleagues, you are awesome. I have the utmost respect for you. Honest. I am slightly uncomfortable bringing up the topic of gender, which is a sign in itself. If we are growing globally, we
Re: [HOT] HOT Board and Chair Elections
Hi All, sorry, I missed one additional comment, in terms of the Governance. Heather brings up an excellent point on continuity. It is very disruptive for any organization, especially one as globally diverse as HOT is, to change its entire leadership on an annual basis. In reality and in my experience, the old board tends to not make serious decisions in the last, or possibly second last month before an election to not stick the new board with issues they do not understand. When the new board comes in, there is at least one month handover to get the them up to speed on where the organization is. So that is potentially 1/4 of the working year that is unproductive. Add in a very realistic possibility that the entire board could change at an election, especially due to changing work commitments of serving board members and them not opting for re-election, we could end up with a totally new board who has no previous knowledge of issues an decisions made in the previous terms. (There would of course be informal availability of old board members) One of the better ways to address this is to extend the terms of directors to two or three years (three is maximum) and have a rotating election process each year. This has a number of benefits, including: 1. smaller number of seats becoming vacant each year which should encourage more candidate diversity (I mean, more people for fewer seats means more candidates to choose from at election time). 2. continuity on board business as half or two thirds of the board will be business as usual, the election process will have no impact on the organizations business. 3. new members will have a chance to be mentored on board procedures and how it all works by people who have experience, thus making it easier for people with no experience at sitting on boards to make worthwhile contributions 4. it may also encourage people who do not nominate to do so. I am sure that some people find the prospect of the responsibility, commitment and procedural requirements quite daunting. Sitting on a board is a very worth while experience. The opportunity to contribute at that level and stand and represent the organization legally is not for everyone, but it is very rewarding and satisfying. You also get to meet and work with some fantastically and brilliant people. Some thoughts for future consideration by members and the New Board Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Heather and all Heather, I absolutely agree with your thoughts on the role women can play. I encourage any women out there who may be considering in getting involved at the Board level, or any other level, to please do so, it would be a pleasure to work with you. You have as much to contribute as anyone else and I personally would be inspired to see more women involved. In many parts of the world, women play a key role in their society and having people on board who can relate with them I believe is important for HOT''s continued growth and development as a global organization. I love the Mapper Dude term .. really cool .. Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Blake and colleagues, thank you most kindly for this nomination. I'm delighted to see more candidates put their names forward. I nominated Mark. While a new member, I appreciate his positive, professional focus. Plus, he is keen to help us grow in Asia. As new faces put their names forward, I wanted to say a few more words about HOT and our future. 1. Governance We really need to think firmly about Board continuity and organizational development/sustainability. It is very hard to do annual elections, but if the membership feels this is the best method, I will support it. Perhaps we could move to different terms. Some examples from our friends in the wider Open Source world: http://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Projects/FLOSS+Foundations+Board+Selection On working groups, I noted this previously in my statement but wanted to expand on this. I feel that the working groups need to be stronger and engage in more decision making. This is really part of our evolution. My colleague at Drupal tells me that about year 3/4 of that global organization, this transition occurred to build the organization better. I love this and think that all of us should review how other organizations work and learn from them. Previously I mentioned Jono Bacon's book on the Art of Community (Ubuntu). He frames some of the theory on this. I've also see this done very poorly, so we need to really trust the Governance group to help us. I promise to extend my
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
John - Wow. That was actually an amazing help. I am not sure how adding a plugin can be made intuitive for someone doing it the first time without this level of detail. I also think part of my problem is going from slippy maps, like what we have been using on the web for years, and the iPhone and so on, to JOSM. The navigation is ... different. I guess control-arrow makes sense for moving in the map, but I seem to keep looking for a grab tool of some kind. My hands know slippy maps. And your hit-update-but-dont workflow is brilliant, but the fact that it has to be done that way, or is easier done that way Well, it suggests something is off, but I do not know what. We will see. I think that, at this point, I can go to the JOSM resources and get where I need to go. It is certainly daunting at first but, OMG, for buildings, JOSM is fantastic. Well, onward and upward. - ray On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:30:59 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Right the basic idiot guide. First write down your OSM userid and password. For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings. Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential. Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the bottom. We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest. Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button. Download the list. Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical order, click it and ignore the rest. go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917 Read the instructions. Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM. Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM map for the tile. We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select Bing. Now we need to trace over the image. We'll use two buttons directly under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes. Hover the mouse over them to display the tags. Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90 meters shows on the scale. Personally I start at the top right corner and use Crtldown arrow to scan the image. The following is not the official way to do things but its fast. Draw round each settlement but don't tag it. If you're lucky enough to find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag it. As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road. Stick to one type of highway omit the others for the moment. The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools. When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload. On the right hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation Results box, click on the + by the warning. You'll see untagged ways. Highlight the untagged ways and select them. In tags Add landuse=residential to them all. Click the upload button once more, again you'll get a warning this time saying landuse residential has unclosed ways, select these as a group. In tags Edit and change the tag to highway=unclassified. Now upload. You may need your OSM userid and password at this point. You'll notice that JOSM already has the source of the image filled in and the HOT tile etc. Now go back and look for highway=tracks. Again don't tag until JOSM warns you on uploading then tag them all at once. For rectangle buildings press b for the building plug-in, now find the longest side and mouse click one corner, follow the edge to the next corner then click again, now drag the mouse to the other side. Click once more and the building is done and correctly tagged for HOT. There is a lot more to JOSM but this guide's objective is to get you going productively quickly. Cheerio John On 6 March 2015 at 15:07, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 15:12:21 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the heck of it I ran JOSM validation on a tile I was mapping before touching it. It turned up duplicate buildings, crossed buildings, lots of highways separated by a few inches etc. Do we need an idiot guide? A sort of this is how to provide the maximum benefit for the least effort. Speaking as an idiot, I would say that the answer to this is yes. Perhaps you think I jest Mine would probably run along the lines of for Africa the convention is only the following values of highways are used for minor highways: path, track, unclassified, use highway=road if you are uncertain. Someone will probably have tagged the secondary and primary highways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsecondary If
Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Hi Pierre, I totally agree. I will ask for feedback. Also, we are trying to up our game in terms of local field mapping thus year. I guess there is no better validation. Bangladesh was super interesting, for example. Although the tracing was often way out, it was super important for the local mappers as they were able to reference their position via gos on their smartphones with their position on the field papers. With the combination of the two tools, incorrect landmarks were almost as good as correct ones. And of course, they were able to validate the tracing. It is also important, I guess, for people working with NGOs and HOT to manage expectations and make clear that tracing remotely is by no means fool proof! Variances in mapping skill, image quality, context etc... Look forward to discussing this further. Pete On 6 Mar 2015 16:53, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre -- *De :* Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 *Objet :* [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads
Yes, I can see that. But would also map thin worm-shaped residential areas in such a case? Am 06.03.15 um 07:49 schrieb Pete Masters Also, on the buildings. This is important as it gives the MSF epidemiologists a building count which then can be used for various analyses before the assessment team goes and used to cross-validate survey results when they are done. Thanks all for contributing! Pete On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: Thanks! My question was not so clear there: The road you mention splits further to the west: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1109/29.9715layers=H Here, the left branch clearly is a high category road, on the right I don't even see a track. Maybe they should be merged? There are some random entries in this tile, so maybe it's just an accident. *Gesendet:* Freitag, 06. März 2015 um 01:44 Uhr *Von:* Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com *An:* Kretzer kret...@gmx.net, hot@openstreetmap.org *Betreff:* Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads P.S. Bing imagery clearly shows a main road running south of the hamlet. Tom Taylor On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote: Hi, I have some questions about this new project: In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many buildings stretched in long lines. Like here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831layers=H I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one or two single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the buildings? I can't even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent living, just assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area? I'm also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They could well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material would be collected there). Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road that's not even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesn't make sense (particularly as the other main road can clearly be seen as something like that), but didn't dare to touch the top-level structures. Thanks, and sorry again if I am asking in the wrong place! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
