Re: [HOT] The tag landuse = clearing

[althio]

Hi Warin,

You could try also to get in touch there:
https://tasks.teachosm.org/project/417
Tab "questions and comments"

Cheers

-- althio


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 05:42 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> The tag “landuse=clearing” was extensively used in Costa Rica by
> #hotosm-task-417 #YouthMappers #TexasTech during November 2017, mapping
> around Parque Nacional Coicovado in Costa Rica.
>
> Unfortunately this tag is not documented on the OSM wiki, I have started
> to document what I think it is and looks like from some satellite imagery.
>
>
> The proposal page to document the possible tag can be found here
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landcover%3Dclearing.
>
> There are several suggestions as to how to map these things better- with
> more information and some should result with rendering on maps.
>
>
> However, my questions are;
>
> Do HOT use the tag at all for there own purposes?
>
> Will there be any problems and/or objections to changing
> ‘landuse=clearing’ to “landcover=clearing” ?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> PS I note that many of these ways introduced have touching rings and
> duplicate segments. I have edited many of them so they now don’t generate
> errors on OSMinspector see
> https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=-83.46332&lat=8.53010&zoom=11
> <https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=-83.46332&lat=8.53010&zoom=11>
>
> I have not touched the north eastern coastal area so you can see the
> problems.
>
> PPS I am motivated to keep land cover things out of the land use key,
> hence my personal interest in this tag.
>
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Re: [HOT] Waterways in swampy area

[althio]

Hi Arne,

I may be mistaken, but I assume these are natural and not man-made.
Hence you should use preferably waterway=river over waterway=canal in this case.

see also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driver

Have a good day.

-- althio



On 26 July 2017 at 23:15, Arne Kimmig  wrote:
> Is it okay to map waterways in swampy areas as canals? See
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2768#task/462
>
> Thanks,
> Arne
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Re: [HOT] addresses

[althio]

John,

In iD, select your node, then on screen bottom left corner, you can
click "View on openstreetmap.org".
In the new page [https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/xx] you can
find the coordinates in the left panel for copy/paste.

-- althio


On 13 December 2016 at 00:49, john whelan  wrote:
> In JOSM I can see the longitude and latitude of each node of a building.  I
> don't think it's possible in iD.
>
> If I'm interested in the characteristics of the building or inhabitants
> either within OSM or by linking it to another data source is there an easy
> way to cut and paste the longitude and latitude of a node of the building
> into say a spreadsheet?
>
> Can I cut and paste these values easily to locate a building?
>
> Perhaps there would have to be a convention that say only the northwest
> corner was used.
>
> Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] OpenStreetMap data, good and bad

[althio]

On 17 November 2016 at 15:39, joost schouppe  wrote:
>
> 2016-11-17 14:45 GMT+01:00 john whelan :
>>
>> Perhaps having a customised version of iD with a subset of the available
>> tags might help HOT.  Highways for example could be restricted to the values
>> in the African Wiki.  Certainly for HOT projects I think highway=motorway
>> could be omitted.
>>
> I like the sound of that. It would be cool if you could determine the
> available tags in ID from the Tasking Manager task setup manager. There
> would have to be some kind of warning in the editor though; something like
> "This is a limited version. If you want to be able to add things not asked
> in this task, click here to break out".
>


A few pointers along this line of thought:

Past discussion hot@
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-June/009450.html
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-June/009458.html

site using iD instance with reduced presets
http://loggingroads.org/

Also some discussions between HOT, TrainingWG and iD developer here and there.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2656#issuecomment-192904617

Best

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[HOT] AgriGIS Workshop and Think Tank meetings

[althio]

Dear OSMers in Africa,

Please find below some information related to:
AgriGIS Workshop and Think Tank meetings to be held at RCMRD, Nairobi,
Kenya on October 27-28, 2016.
http://www.godan.info/events/agrigis-workshop-and-thinktank

Please share in other networks and consider participating if you can.

Ben - althio
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From: "Suchith Anand" 
Date: Oct 6, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] AgriGIS Workshop and Think Tank meetings - help
needed to share the info. with your contacts in Africa
To: "geofor...@lists.osgeo.org" , "
disc...@lists.osgeo.org" 
Cc:

Dear all,

I am on secondment to the Global Open Data for Agriculture and Nutrition
(GODAN) [1] and would appeciate your help in connecting to your contacts in
Africa for this AgriGIS ThinkTank and workshop that we are planning and
invite participation. Details below.


The University of Nottingham, the Regional Centre for Mapping of Resources
for Development (RCMRD), the Global Open Data for Agriculture and Nutrition
(GODAN) and Crops for the Future (CFF) are pleased to announce the AgriGIS
Workshop and Think Tank meetings [2]to be held at RCMRD, Nairobi, Kenya on
October 27-28, 2016. We will also share some of the research we did at the
University of Nottingham through the BBSRC funded GRASP [3]


The workshop is hosted by The Regional Centre for Mapping of Resources for
Development (RCMRD). RCMRD was established in Nairobi, Kenya in 1975 under
the auspices of the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa (UNECA)
and the African Union (AU). RCMRD is an inter-governmental organization and
currently has 20 Contracting Member States in the Eastern and Southern
Africa Regions. You can get some of thier background work at
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2016/10/regional-
centre-for-mapping-of-resources-for-development-rcmrd-nairobi-kenya/


Details of how to register for this free workshop and Think Tank at
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2016/10/agrigis-
workshop-and-think-tank-meetings-in-nairobi/

Best wishes,

Suchith

[1] http://www.godan.info/about
[2] http://www.godan.info/events/agrigis-workshop-and-thinktank
[3] https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/ngi/research/geospatial-
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Re: [HOT] Friendly reminder not to upload sample.osm during a mapping training

[althio]

For reference on this subject:

https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/issues/335

On 5 April 2016 at 22:33, Jaakko Helleranta  wrote:
> I was about to say that the XML headers of the sample.osm file should of
> course have upload=false ... but checking the file it (of course) has that
> already.
>
> This reminds me of a discussion from a while back where me another JOSM user
> (& non-developer) were wondering if there could be a file format that would
> not allow uploading but that would show data as it is for simply viewing or
> locally tinkering with purposes.
> Now thinking about this I wonder if it would be a huge thing to have a JOSM
> header option upload=never that would make it impossible to upload the file?
> This would solve this problem here and essentially force to change the
> header manually into false or true before and upload could happen.
>
> I would assume that such a tweak to JOSM code would not be huge and I could
> file a ticket if at least someone else thinks it could make sense.
>
> Just a thought,
> -Jaakko
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> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, maning sambale 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> See this: http://osmcha-django-staging.tilestream.net/37558836/
>>
>> In case you are running a mapping workshop and use the sample.osm data
>> from learnosm.  Please advise mappers not to upload.
>>
>> I made the same mistake before (so sorry), so please remind them or,
>> at the end of the training checkout Null island and delete the data.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [HOT] small tiles

[althio]

I am pretty sure some people at University of Heidelberg - Disaster
Mappers - Missing Maps put some serious thoughts on the topic of tile
sizes and general procedures.

Maybe you reach out and see what they can share.

- althio


On 5 March 2016 at 19:23, Russell Deffner  wrote:
> Hi Dan, yeah – I’ve been talking with folks and watching the ‘success rate’
> of all the front page projects and to add some commentary – it does seem
> there is a ‘magic size’ for people to both feel like they’re getting stuff
> done and a fine balance of not too big for validators to easily go-for, but
> not so small that you are spending more time locking/pushing validate then
> looking at tiles.
>
>
>
> It seems like roughly 1 kilometer square tiles for urban areas and 2-4 km^2
> for rural seems to be that magic size, I see those size projects going like
> hot-cakes.  Apologies for a few of those recent Fiji projects – where it got
> a little more dense and the island narrowed/got a little funky for ‘chopping
> into projects’ I was actually more thinking about number of tiles as the
> projects beforehand seemed to be ‘magic numbered’ from about 200-300 tiles
> on creation.  So, anyway – thanks for the feedback, this is where project
> creation becomes a bit more ‘art’ as you can’t just tell the TM to ‘make as
> many squares necessary to be 1 km^2’ (which to any devs out there, would be
> nice feature :)
>
>
>
> More Fiji stuff coming, just been busy the last couple of days (and trying
> to knock out validation on the last couple);
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> From: Daniel Specht [mailto:danspe...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 7:48 PM
> To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [HOT] small tiles
>
>
>
> The tile size used for the Fiji projects is great for residential areas.
> It's a lot more rewarding to be able to check off so many as done. If the
> tiles were much bigger people would get discouraged or sloppy.
>
>
>
> But outside the residential areas there are a lot of tiles with no features,
> which wastes time loading tiles. I think the solution is to have bigger
> tiles, maybe twice the length, and to split the tiles which are in
> residential areas into 4 parts.
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Crowd2Map rural Tanzania

[althio]

Hi again Janet,


All the documentation that I know is:

- learnosm.org to start with,
- wiki.openstreetmap.org if you know what you are looking for.


regarding JOSM:
read/follow instructions to install and setup:
http://learnosm.org/en/josm/start-josm/
and additionally, to add a link to the OpenStreetMap site like you are
trying to do, you certainly need this:

   1. ‘Enable remote control’ needs to be ticked - found under Edit /
   Preferences / Remote Control




Most of the apps allow navigation, at least - Maps.me, - OSMTracker (need
to double check), - OSMAnd.



> Also I’m trying to download area maps to send to people –its working OK
for district level, but not at all for village level – is there any
documentation that you know of regarding best settings/format etc for this
please?

Do you mean for printing or screen or in-app?
Please give more details and I am sure someone on the list will be able to
recommend something.


Best

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Re: [HOT] Crowd2Map rural Tanzania

[althio]

Hi Janet,

1.if there is any way to tell up to date the Bing satellite images
> are and how often they are updated as some of the points we are trying to
> add weren’t built in the satellite images.
>
>From another thread, I forward you this answer:

Michael Heißmeier wrote:

> in JOSM:
>
> right-click on the background imagery and select "show tile info" from
> the context menu. The lowest line contains the capture date of the
> current tile.





> 2.   Are there any recommended apps to use OSM on android
>
It very much depends on your use cases (display map, itinerary, tracking,
OSM edition...), but these apps can be mentioned:
- Maps.me (Maps with me)
- OSMTracker
- OSMAnd
- Vespucci



> 3.   What the best way of publicising the project to people in rural
> Tanzania is – currently we have
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1551808625147532/ and @crowd2map
>
Did you try to connect with OSM Tanzania, Ramani Huria project ...?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dar_es_Salaam#Ramani_Huria_and_Flood_response_mapping
http://ramanihuria.org/
Twitter @RamaniHuria

Geoffrey Kateregga
Lead Mapping Supervisor | Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team | Dar es Salaam,
Tanzania
Mob: +255652250562 | +256703813228 | Skype: geoffrey5142


Hope this helps a bit

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Re: [HOT] building, construction, ruins, livestock pen or?

[althio]

I would guess:
a building under construction, with no roof yet.

It could be something slightly different, like a collapsed roof, or a
specific kind of building intended with no roof.

Anyway, building=yes would suffice for me, except for very specific
mapping tasks.

- althio

On 2 February 2016 at 23:46, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> Here is another example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/394671191
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 7:17 AM, althio  wrote:
>>>
>>> fences/walls.
>>
>>  there are two continuous parallel linear features about three meters
>> apart running more or less North-South. Based on the shadows these are the
>> same height as the three features that run more or less East-West.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you looking with a high zoom? It can be quite blurry and pixelated.
>>
>> I have looked at it from several different zoom levels on both Bing and
>> Mapbox.
>>
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Re: [HOT] building, construction, ruins, livestock pen or?

[althio]

> looking at the picture i would guess: not one building, but three round huts
> in a row next to each other at very close distance.

Same for me.
3 small round structures, I do not see fences/walls.

Are you looking with a high zoom? It can be quite blurry and pixelated.
I personally find it easier to recognise the features from further
away and zoom in for tracing.

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Re: [HOT] Finding the most recent tiles marked done on a project?

[althio]

I hope you enjoyed FOSDEM  :-)
More below.

> I learned yesterday at FOSDEM the TM is written in Python. I might have a
look at it to make some improvements. It's probably best to create a ticket
for this issue.

Also check open issues like
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/433
and maybe a few others, i.e. with label "validation".
You may have some new thoughts.

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Re: [HOT] OSM user diaries

[althio]

Hi Pete,

You can give a try at:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+diary



On 11 October 2015 at 23:35, Pete Masters  wrote:
> Hi all, quick thing... I really like the OSM user diaries, but I'd like to
> suggest some development in terms of tagging / search. I can't really find a
> good place to do this - can anyone give me the appropriate contact or link?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
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Re: [HOT] landuse=residential in iD

[althio]

Hi John,

It is possible through presets and a new instance.
It was discussed quite recently:

http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Disaster-Relief-Organizations-in-Ghana-td5847317.html#a5847347
or
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-June/009450.html

- althio


On 23 July 2015 at 03:07, john whelan  wrote:
> Is there a way to tag an area with this easily?
>
> Is it possible to set up iD with fewer choices for highways or roads as it
> calls them?  ie trim it back to highway=unclassified, or path or track which
> would cove 95% of the cases for new HOT mappers?
>
> Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] LearnOSM Glossary

[althio]

I think we need an entry for:

remote mapping aka. armchair mapping aka. heads-up digitising /
vectorisation & combination

On 25 July 2015 at 00:51, Nick Allen  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Personally I'd prefer a single glossary within LearnOSM [1] which is
> available in many languages. If you don't know what a term or acronym means,
> you won't know where to search for it, hence my preference for a single
> glossary. LearnOSM is linked from a number of sources which are HOT related
> and is expected to provide the answers for those who wish to donate their
> time and expertise through HOT.
>
> For instance visit the Tasking Manager [2] now and you will find 5 of the
> first 6 tasks refer to 'IDP Informal camps'. You will not find an
> explanation of 'IDP'  within many other glossaries. Perhaps a search of the
> TM for other terms that should be included?
>
> The search engine of LearnOSM only searches for the title of a module or
> guide, so it will not find words within the module or guide itself. It would
> make sense to have all of the entries listed in alphabetic order to make
> finding the terms easier, although you can also use the 'Ctrl+f' function to
> search most documents. For most subjects within the glossary I believe it
> would be sensible to provide a short explanation, but then link to another
> site that has a fuller explanation for those who wish to explore further.
>
> Many people have helped to provide translations for LearnOSM and hopefully
> they will continue to support HOT by continuing with their production of
> translations. We've just started using Transifex [3] for our translations,
> which should make the process simpler. We're more likely to be able to
> provide more translations for a glossary on LearnOSM than an entry somewhere
> else is able to provide.
>
> [1] http://learnosm.org/
> [2] http://tasks.hotosm.org/
> [3] https://www.transifex.com
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
>
> On 24/07/15 17:28, althio wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am not sure how to handle the glossary mixture of:
> - basic OSM terms
> - basic HOT terms
> - advanced HOT/Activation terms
>
> I mean the growing glossary page could become overwhelming for a beginner.
>
> What do you think?
> All glossay in one continuous page? One page, sections by topics?
> Differents pages, one glossary by section
> (beginner/JOSM/remote/Activation...)?
>
>
>
> Back to the content, a few proposals:
> - We could read through the content of LearnOSM to flag terms that
> need to be included in the glossary (best done by newcomers!)
> - We could take a pick in the OSM wiki glossary and see if any of
> those terms is used in LearnOSM
> [OSM wiki glossary] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Glossary
>
>
> Best
>
> althio
>
> On 13 July 2015 at 22:51, Yachtsman Dev  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Anwaario and I am one of the LearnOSM Interns this summer.
>
> I have been tasked with improving  the LearnOSM glossary .
>
> Help us make the LearnOSM glossary more informative by forwarding  your
> vocabulary suggestions.
>
> This is an ongoing project and new terms will be added and live as soon as
> they are approved by my mentors.
>
> All replies should be sent directly to both me and the list.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Anwaario
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Re: [HOT] [HOT Training] Re: LearnOSM Glossary

[althio]

Thanks Steve for the links.
Thanks Susan and Nick for the great input.


I will keep in mind the suggestions for now:
 - annotate which terms are for OSM, HOT, and Activation in
parentheses at the end of each entry
 - search LearnOSM for other terms
 - also search Tasking Manager for other terms that should be included

other glossary for reference:
[OSM wiki glossary] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Glossary
[1] http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/glossary
[2] http://wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/GIS_Glossary

On 24 July 2015 at 23:45, Steve Bower  wrote:
> +1 for Susan's comments.
>
> A multi-language GIS glossary (eventually) will be a real accomplishment for
> OSM.
>
> A few other thoughts you may have already considered:
>
> I suggest maintaining either a LearnOSM glossary or the OSM wiki glossary,
> but not both. One can point to the other. Or, the LearnOSM glossary could be
> shorter, focused on beginners, and point to a more comprehensive OSM wiki
> glossary.
>
> OGC has a glossary [1] that's copyright OGC, but they might make it
> available to OSM on request.
>
> The wiki.gis.com glossary might be of use [2].
>
> [1] http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/glossary
> [2] http://wiki.gis.com/wiki/index.php/GIS_Glossary
>
> ~~Steve
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Suzan Reed  wrote:
>>
>> Hi althio and all,
>>
>> As an organizer of information and a newbie, my opinion is to leave
>> everything in one list and not divide it. It should be alphabetic.
>>
>> There is a lot to learn reading through a Glossary, and it’s always useful
>> to have everything in one place. It’s easy to find what you are looking for
>> when organized alphabetically. If you want, you could annotate which terms
>> are for OSM, HOT, and Activation in parentheses at the end of each entry. We
>> have done that when a glossary combines words from different languages or
>> references similar to this situation. It’s also important to format the page
>> so the entries are easy to read.
>>
>> Suzan
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:28 AM, althio  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am not sure how to handle the glossary mixture of:
>> - basic OSM terms
>> - basic HOT terms
>> - advanced HOT/Activation terms
>>
>> I mean the growing glossary page could become overwhelming for a beginner.
>>
>> What do you think?
>> All glossay in one continuous page? One page, sections by topics?
>> Differents pages, one glossary by section
>> (beginner/JOSM/remote/Activation...)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Back to the content, a few proposals:
>> - We could read through the content of LearnOSM to flag terms that
>> need to be included in the glossary (best done by newcomers!)
>> - We could take a pick in the OSM wiki glossary and see if any of
>> those terms is used in LearnOSM
>> [OSM wiki glossary] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Glossary
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> althio
>>
>> On 13 July 2015 at 22:51, Yachtsman Dev  wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > My name is Anwaario and I am one of the LearnOSM Interns this summer.
>> >
>> > I have been tasked with improving  the LearnOSM glossary .
>> >
>> > Help us make the LearnOSM glossary more informative by forwarding  your
>> > vocabulary suggestions.
>> >
>> > This is an ongoing project and new terms will be added and live as soon
>> > as
>> > they are approved by my mentors.
>> >
>> > All replies should be sent directly to both me and the list.
>> >
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anwaario
>> >
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>> > phone: 415.562.6927
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Re: [HOT] LearnOSM Glossary

[althio]

Hi all,

I am not sure how to handle the glossary mixture of:
- basic OSM terms
- basic HOT terms
- advanced HOT/Activation terms

I mean the growing glossary page could become overwhelming for a beginner.

What do you think?
All glossay in one continuous page? One page, sections by topics?
Differents pages, one glossary by section
(beginner/JOSM/remote/Activation...)?



Back to the content, a few proposals:
- We could read through the content of LearnOSM to flag terms that
need to be included in the glossary (best done by newcomers!)
- We could take a pick in the OSM wiki glossary and see if any of
those terms is used in LearnOSM
[OSM wiki glossary] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Glossary


Best

althio

On 13 July 2015 at 22:51, Yachtsman Dev  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Anwaario and I am one of the LearnOSM Interns this summer.
>
> I have been tasked with improving  the LearnOSM glossary .
>
> Help us make the LearnOSM glossary more informative by forwarding  your
> vocabulary suggestions.
>
> This is an ongoing project and new terms will be added and live as soon as
> they are approved by my mentors.
>
> All replies should be sent directly to both me and the list.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Anwaario
>
> --
>
>
> skype: hahafresh
> email: yachtsman@gmail.com
> phone: 415.562.6927
> intern/blog: https://yachtsmandev.wordpress.com/
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anwaario
>
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Re: [HOT] paths, tracks and unclassified in West Africa

[althio]

On 17 July 2015 at 01:54, Paul Norman  wrote:
> On 7/15/2015 5:40 AM, Ralf Stephan wrote:
>>
>> So, essentially, only locals have full knowledge and every tag by
>> nonlocals is preliminary?
>
> It's the importance of the road that determines its classification, and a
> local will have a better idea of the classification than someone remote.

We are discussing classification and relative importance of the roads
in a network.
To me, it is easier to analyse globally a road network from aerial
imagery than from the ground.
A local with knowledge and access to imagery is the best bet.
Failing that, the local and the remote mappers are rather complementary.

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Re: [HOT] Map-a-thon getting 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error

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Hi Nicholas,

I would say the general mailing list 'talk' or the technical working
group may be better suited than the HOT list for your request.

See also:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_usage_policy
"To avoid having your access blocked, please discuss your requirement
with system administrators either via their wiki pages or on the IRC
channel prior to starting."
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/System_Administrators

Apart from that, some free and unchecked advice:
 - consider offline editor JOSM
 - use iD with zoom close in, not downloading large areas

Best of luck.

althio


On 20 June 2015 at 08:43, Nicholas Doiron  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm working with The Asia Foundation to run an OpenStreetMap map-a-thon in
> Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. We have 17 teams of 3 people, mostly students and
> city planners, mapping unplanned areas of the city (ger districts)
>
> At 3:30pm local time, we got a 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error on most teams'
> machines, so we had to end our first day early.  No one's data is lost, but
> we can't download existing data into iD, so every map area looks blank.
> There was a risk we would add the same building many times.
>
> Is there a way for us to re-enabling editing before tomorrow morning? And
> keep the gates open for another 48 hours or so?
> I'll do my part by closing a couple of apps (including Show Me The Way from
> OSM Labs) which were running at the time
>
> Regards,
> Nick Doiron
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Re: [HOT] How often is the Humanitarian tile set updated?

[althio]

Andrew,

> Wanted to see how often the Humanitarian view/tile set/layer is updated? Is
> it at the same time as everything else, or is it done on some schedule?


As far as I know, the rendering tiles for the Humanitarian style are
updated continuously, same spirit than the default OSM style.
However, it is hosted on the servers of OSM-France, not
OSM-Foundation, so maybe you can expect less hardware resources
behind.

In the end it should be updated:
- on load/demand
- after a few minutes
- depends on the zoom
- just wait a bit ;)

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Re: [HOT] Customizable OSM editor

[althio]

Hi Thomas,

I think *most* of your requirements would be met with a specific
instance of iD editor with customised presets (a very reduced set).

> The avantages of such an editor would be:
> a) No bothering with tags, comments, etc.
> b) Reduction of the chance of duplicates. Because no elements outside
> the task elements are allowed.
> c) Standardisation, through predefined tags and elements
> d) Simple to use interface for users who want to help but dont want to
> know the in depth details. ( Those who want to know will switch to
> another editor anyway)
> e) optional integrated help
> f) automatic functionality like squared buildings


This has been experimented previously for a particular project:
See "open source project to map all logging roads across the Congo
Basin Rainforest"
http://loggingroads.org/ with its own integrated iD.

I love the idea and it would be great to have a person/team to run
some dry tests in HOT context.

Cheers

- althio



On 6 June 2015 at 16:15, Thomas Tolloschek  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am following the Hot Mailinglist for a while as passive reader and
> since Nepal more active.
>
> These last weeks I was thinking a lot how to help new mappers while
> achieving more standardisation and compareable output.
>
> In my opinion HOT needs a highly customizable and automatic configurable
> editor.
> Think of some sort of Potlatch where the items are automtically
> restricted to the ones needed by a specific task. All the tags and
> comments are automatically filled in.
> For example: The user just needs to draw a polygon click on the house
> button and save. No more confusion if building=yes or building=house
> should bei used
> All the presets are done by the Taskmanager and the defined task attributes.
>
> If you look at the various statistics, you will see that a high
> percentage of the edits has been done in the first few days after the
> desaster by new OSM users.
> Many of them contribute only a few changesets or less. I was asking
> myself why this happened.
> Was there not enough help und information? I dont think so.
> I think that the informations have been too much and too spread for
> first time users. And l think that many of them where overwhelmed by all
> the things they have to think about.
>
> So why not moving the rule and format stuff into an editor?
>
> The avantages of such an editor would be:
> a) No bothering with tags, comments, etc.
> b) Reduction of the chance of duplicates. Because no elements outside
> the task elements are allowed.
> c) Standardisation, through predefined tags and elements
> d) Simple to use interface for users who want to help but dont want to
> know the in depth details. ( Those who want to know will switch to
> another editor anyway)
> e) optional integrated help
> f) automatic functionality like squared buildings
>
> I know this does not help for the Nepal crisis mapping but I think this
> idea is worth a thought for improving the quality of data in the future
> while motivating new users to map more and therefore speeding up the
> completion of HOT tasks.
>
> Kind regards
> Thomas
>
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[HOT] [LearnOSM] Report may 2015

[althio]

[post archived as http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/althio/diary/35105]

Dear all,

I have been actively participating in LearnOSM for a few months now
and here is my first report of the community work on this project.


1. Status of material in English
Sections are being added, reorganised and updated, in particular:
--Coordination: http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/
--Note to new volunteers: http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/nepal-disaster/
--Smartphone app: http://learnosm.org/en/mobile-mapping/osmtracker/
Thank you Nick @Nick-Tallguy for your sustained hard work to improve
the materials!

Special thanks to Win @gitGOwin for his various corrections and his
full update of:
--Smartphone app v2: http://learnosm.org/en/mobile-mapping/osmand2/

More thanks to Daniel @CloCkWeRX, Jessica @jmarlena, Brad @neuhausr,
Manuel @humitos, Blake @bgirardot for all contributions big and small
in our GitHub repository.

I also would like to salute people contributing behind the scenes or
participating in discussions to improve form and contents globally:
@pyrog for the input, Nick @Nick-Tallguy for the cleanup, Jessica
@jmarlena, Alex @lxbarth, Mikel @mikelmaron and members of the HOT
Training Working Group.

Take a tour at https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/issues


2. Improvements in several languages:
--Spanish: Translation of Coordination by the great team of Jorge
@jsanz, Pedro-Juan @vehrka and @shiguera.
--German: Translation of Detailed Editing and review of Beginner's
Guide by Michael @michael63-osm
--Japanese: Care by Satoshi @nyampire


3. New languages:
--Ukrainian and Russian Beginner's Guides BOTH by Andrey @Andygol.
--Norwegian: Work recently started by Anders @andersar.
--Swahili: Work recently started by Geoffrey @kateregga1.

Thank you to all our translators!


Stay tuned for what's next and how you can get involved.

- althio

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Re: [HOT] State of The Map - France, 29/30/31 May 2015, Brest

[althio]

State of the Map - France, in 7 days!

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:State_of_the_Map_France_2015
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Programme_State_of_the_Map_2015.pdf
https://sotmfr15.eventbrite.fr/

Highlights for HOTties!

Saturday afternoon track : How OSM helps humanitarian action
- with 6 talks (from HOT, CartONG, EOF, OSM-FR, universities and
collaborations with OSM-Sénégal and OSM-Burkina Faso)
- a panel (not all of them White American Males ::joke::)

Sunday morning: free workshop and discussions
- proposed topics: crisis mapathons, preparedness mapping, training & beginners.


Cheers - althio



On 6 May 2015 at 10:57, althio  wrote:
> Hi HOTties,
>
> Please find here detailed information about this upcoming event:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_France_2015
>
>> The french association OpenStreetMap France is organizing the third edition 
>> of State of the Map France. The event SOTM-FR 2015 will take place in Brest 
>> (Brittany), from May 29th to May 31st 2015.
>> Brest is large city with an important military harbour located at the far 
>> west end of France. Its universities (Université de Bretagne Occidentale) 
>> are opening their facilities for SOTM-FR and excellent conditions are 
>> expected for the conferences and workshops.
>> SOTM-FR is a major event in France and is the best opportunity to meet 
>> people contributing to and using OpenStreetMap, to share experiences, make 
>> contacts, plan projects, and so on.
>> This year the theme of the conference is : What usages for the OpenStreetMap 
>> ecosystem ?
>
> Please let me know (preferably off-list) if you intend to come, get
> involved or just happen to be close by.
>
> - althio
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Louis-Julien de la Bouëre" 
> Subject: [OSM-talk-fr] Invitation au State of The Map à Brest les
> 29/30/31 mai 2015
> To: "Discussions sur OSM en français" 

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Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID

[althio]

Susan,

I have a request for you... read on ;)

Try to follow these steps:

- go to https://github.com/
- "Sign up"
- go to https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues
- try some searches to find if your problem is already reported
- if yes, maybe add a comment on the relevant thread/ticket
- if not, "New issue", add a meaningful title, report the
bug/suggestion/idea with appropriate level of details

My request:
- Please follow the above outlined process
- Please write down your actual steps in more details if needed
- Please do take screenshots
- Please please please submit please "a tutorial to report an issue in
a GitHub project" that will be added to LearnOSM, please.

Cheers,

- althio


On 22 May 2015 at 06:14, Suzan Reed  wrote:
> Nick and all,
>
> Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below to the "issues" 
> at the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a time trying to provide the 
> feedback at that link, and I thought I was pretty good with stuff like that.
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues
>
> Should be the place to report problems.
>
> Nick
> (OSM=Tallguy)
>
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Member
>
> On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed"  wrote:
>
> For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.
>
> I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or 
> people who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?
>
> Suzan
>
> Here are the issues:
>
> 1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a 
> dialog box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved, 
> and asks if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe 
> these over write the last Task, doubling the images.
>
> 2. Other times another dialog box appears:
> "Errors occured while trying to save
> Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream 
> server.
> Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html tags 
> have been removed for brevity.)
>
> When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to be 
> pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits Save 
> and I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue images in 
> the left column appear.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[althio]

Andreas Goss  wrote:
> And to be honest I can't remember ever having seen any HOT topics on the
> tagging mailinglist (apart from the 1 I posted), where you could discuss
> Tags used for both conventinal as well as crisis mapping and discuss where
> do use established tags and where to use new ones.

Similar threads?

Damage Assessment Tags - Would like feedback on a schema
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Damage-Assessment-Tags-Would-like-feedback-on-a-schema-tp5842202.html

Impassable, damaged and related life cycle concepts
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Impassable-damaged-and-related-life-cycle-concepts-td5791364.html
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[HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[althio]

Springfield,

Sorry for the partial answer and I don't mean to be harsh because I
know things around here are not easy to find and understand. We all
need pointers and FAQ or homepages and portals...

My point is... I do think that you are somehow confused between
OpenStreetMap and HOT:

***
OSM aka OpenStreetMap, the project, its database, its goals, its community
   - [http://www.openstreetmap.org/welcome] OpenStreetMap, the free
and editable map of the world
   - [http://www.openstreetmap.org/about] OpenStreetMap is built by a
community of mappers that contribute and maintain data about roads,
trails, cafés, railway stations, and much more (note: also video
games, hairdresser, gymnastics, karate and volleyball...) (note2: also
boundaries, hospitals, schools), all over the world.

see also OSM Foundation, the entity to support the project
   - http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page

***
HOT aka Humanitarian OSM Team is using a subset of OSM database and
building on it, its own goals (some overlap with OSM), its own
community (some overlap with OSM)
   - [http://hotosm.org/] The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team [HOT]
applies the principles of open source and open data sharing for
humanitarian response and economic development.
   - [http://hotosm.org/about]
   - [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team]

***

Back to OSM and "tag soup" database. This is a rather hard and
technical topic, and not really related to HOT and this list. You will
not find the answer here, nor the most interested or skilled people.
HOT uses and contributes to the database, HOT does not control it.

A few more words anyway? ("I am not a lawyer" and "I am not a database expert").
OSM database is open, free, public, iterative and rather rich.
OSM database is not fixed, not complete, not comprehensive, not
homogeneous (spatially at least).
The philosophy and structure have their own advantages and
disadvantages compared to existing datasets.
Please appreciate the uniqueness, value and potential of OSM database
before you try to make it a clone of something existing.


All the best,

 - althio


On 19 May 2015 at 21:38, Springfield Harrison  wrote:
> Hello Stefan & Blake,
>
> I concur with the comments about the "tag soup" mess.  As I have mentioned
> before, I am new to this OSM environment but have some years experience with
> GPS and GIS mapping and database design.
>
> To be honest, I was appalled when I discovered that the OSM database design
> looked like a glorified scratchpad.  I just downloaded and inspected 366,017
> OSM database records.  There were 18 Key Terms and scores of values.  I
> extracted the unique combinations of keys/values and ended up with 388
> records of those.
>
> It is difficult to describe the results in detail as patterns are very hard
> to see with this system.  Suffice it to say, there is an abundance of
> overlap, redundancy, ambiguity and a confusing intermingling of features and
> attributes.  Using traditional methods of querying a database, it would be
> impossible to definitively extract a meaningful subset of any of the 366,000
> records.  Generally speaking, the problem is that one feature may be
> described in many different ways that are not consistent.
>
> Having said all that, since I frequently hear how well all this mapping
> information is received in the field, I must conclude that this mishmash of
> tagging somehow creates a usable end product.  It may well be that I am not
> aware of magic techniques that bring order to all this chaotic tagging.
> However, if it works, it is good.  However I do believe that it will work
> better with a more robust database.
>
> Sorry to offer this harsh critique, but in decades of looking at database
> structures for both geographical and administrative applications, I have
> never seen such a jumble of terminology.
>
> Anyway, I have put together what I believe is a more appropriate Data
> Dictionary that generally parallels the best practices in database design.
> I have found this approach to be very useful, and also useful in the field,
> since being introduced to it by Trimble Navigation in the early 90s.
>
> I am impressed with the enthusiasm that permeates the crowd GIS initiative
> but concerned that the geographical and database underpinnings may be less
> than ideal.  My observation from creating a few software applications, is
> that the lesser trained are the users, the much greater investment there
> needs to be in the user interface and training.  GIS and GPS data collection
> is not particularly intuitive.
>
> My approach in projects of this kind is always to start at the far end with
> the users - what information are they wanting for whatever it is that they
> do?  Then I look at the reporting requirements and finally desi

Re: [HOT] [Nepal] JOSM presets #1046 and #1060

[althio]

Thanks cascafico, nice and useful proposal.

Pierre, it is a nice tool. We must also keep it updated when the
tagging scheme is refined.

- althio

On 19 May 2015 at 15:26, Pierre Béland  wrote:
> I added the presets to jobs #1046 and #1060.  The contributors need to
> download and install the presets.
>
> As Pierre Giraud noted to me, the link appears at the top of the instruction
> tab. We could eventually highlight it more to assure good visibility.
>
> You should see :
>
> Using JOSM? Please use the dedicated preset.
> thanks castafico.
>
> Pierre
>
> 
> De : Pierre GIRAUD 
> À : cascafico 
> Cc : HOT Openstreetmap 
> Envoyé le : Mardi 19 mai 2015 5h31
> Objet : Re: [HOT] [Nepal] JOSM presets #1046 and #1060
>
> Interesting.
>
> Note for the the project managers and/or activation managers: in the
> tasking manager, a JOSM preset can be added to the project
> instructions. See the misc tab.
>
> Pierre
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:27 AM, cascafico  wrote:
>> Hi List. This is my first post here.
>>
>> I set up two JOSM presets files for assigning IDP and brownfields:
>>
>> Nepal Earthquake task #1046
>> http://visualtags.hotosm.org/collection/437
>>
>> Nepal Earthquake task #1060
>> http://visualtags.hotosm.org/collection/440
>>
>> Hot to load in JOSM:
>> F12 (preferences), third icon (map), third tag, click "+" sign and load
>> one
>> of the above files.
>>
>> They shuold allow to addign several tags in a click, and (for IDP camps)
>> to
>> select status.
>>
>> Let me know if they works properly.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
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Re: [HOT] Issue with new mapper invalidating my task

[althio]

Hi Andrew,

I do agree with such a proposal.

For anyone willing to help us a bit more, I encourage you to visit the
GitHub repository to leave comments, or even better suggestions, or
even better patches.

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues


Regarding your idea of marked a partially completed tasks, you may
find similar ideas at:
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/14
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/172
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/358
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/421

Cheers

- althio


On 16 May 2015 at 14:37, Andrew Patterson  wrote:
> Like John Whelan, I feel that although I have done some mapping, I am not
> sufficiently competent to map tracks, nor also to upload the new imagery for
> "brownfield" sites, and am therefore concentrating on buildings, and then
> leaving the tile for others to complete, in the hope that anyone who picks
> up on this tile give me some feedback on my input.
>
> However, this does create a later issue of looking for a Task area to do,
> without wasting a lot of time in searching through task areas that have been
> treated in the same way.  It would be useful if there was some way to mark
> building completed task areas
>
>
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Re: [HOT] HOT: Glacial & landslide dammed lakes

[althio]

Dear Sam,

Thanks for proposing your expertise and help.

I am adding the Activation Working Group and a list of people (Bcc)
that are working on landslide risk assesment.

My hope is that between experts you will be able to come up with great
value other than plain mapping.

- althio


On 12 May 2015 at 08:07, Sam Inglis  wrote:
> Dear HOT Team,
>
> My name is Sam Inglis, and my background is in glacial lake detection,
> identification and mapping, and was the first person to identify all glacial
> lakes in the North Patagonian Icefield, Chile. I am familiar with Himalayan
> mountain ranges, and studied large swathes of the Indo-Tibetan catchment of
> the Sutlej River, which runs from near Mt Kailash, transects Himachal
> Pradesh, and terminates in Pakistani territory.
>
> I have previously not engaged much in communal, open-source, reactive
> disaster mapping, but have been adding to the OSM database in Nepal
> sporadically over the past two weeks, when time has permitted.
>
> Yesterday, I saw that NASA had posted an article on the formation of
> landslide-dammed lakes along Nepal's rivers, near Gorkha, and was wondering
> how I can best contribute to enhancing the understanding of the features?
> How can I help with such hazard detection & analysis?
>
> Thanks, and I look forward to hearing back from you and the team!
>
> Keep up the great work!
>
> Sam Inglis MSc
>
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Re: [HOT] Nepal recap

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Yes, 1018 is still ongoing, new ones are certainly 1047 & 1048.

> the simplest and most suitable for new mappers

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1047
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1048

- althio


On 13 May 2015 at 00:31, Blake Girardot  wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I'd go with:
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018
>
> Basic roads and buildings and still being requested by people on the ground.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
>
>
>
> On 5/13/2015 12:16 AM, john whelan wrote:
>>
>> Can someone remind me which projects are the ones we think are the
>> simplest and most suitable for new mappers. ie the ones that require
>> buildings to be mapped.
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Nepal Earthquake Mapathon TODAY

[althio]

Just to make sure that the message get across to shanikadhettige:


> The volume of objects edited should not be the criteria. What is important
> is to assure that at the end of the day, the trainees know the basic of OSM
> and find it fun enough to contribute again.
>
> Thanks all for your contribution.


>> At the end of the session we can see how much progress we have been able to
>> make as a group so please come by and spread the word about how others can
>> be helping from across the globe!
>>
>> Email shanikadhett...@gmail.com with any related questions and find out more
>> about the mapping projects on http://tasks.hotosm.org/ and
>> www.nepalquakeaid.com.

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Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

[althio]

Springfield, Suzan, all, special mention to Lars,

I do encourage you to share your suggestions and experience as
newcomers in the shared document where it could be put to much better
use than in the mailing list. You have the opportunity to get involved
at a very veeery early stage of this videos project. Of course the
document is pretty rough, this is collaborative and brainstorming.
Seize the day. Make your mark.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing

Another disclaimer: this initiative of 1-minute videos is led by
MissingMaps. I fully support it and try to foster it but I am not in
charge. People in charge may not read or answer in this mailing list.
If you want to give feedback and ideas on this: go and edit the shared
document. Let me be blunt at this point: in the scope of this video
project, when pointed to an external document, any comment left in the
mailing list is 100 times less useful and 1000 times more likely to be
forgotten.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing

As everything in open data and open source, don't be afraid of making
some errors.
Your input will be reviewed and modified by others, and everything
will improve with time and contributions.


> The instructional materials that do exist also seem to be scattered among 
> many sites and documents; I have given up trying to keep track.

That statement applies to all fields of knowledge that I know of.


- althio

wall of links:

active contributor in the Training Working Group 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training

member of the LearnOSM team 
http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/

HOT is a partner of MSF-UK, British Red Cross and American Red Cross
with MissingMaps
http://www.missingmaps.org/
http://www.msf.org.uk/missing-maps-project
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Missing_Maps_Project

Fresh from today: http://www.msf.org.uk/msf-scientific-day-catch-up
Session 1:  Keynote speech & unchartered territory: mapping for
humanitarian responses

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Re: [HOT] [info-hotosm] Reference Project #1030 Nepal Earthquake

[althio]

On 7 May 2015 at 10:21, Springfield Harrison  wrote:
> Having untrained users realign the imagery willy-nilly is amazing to me.

Usually we don't.

This is crisis response and hence crisis-GIS.
We are striving to produce useful and good enough data, not perfect data.
We are working with multiple passes to improve gradually.

Typically we split users:
Basemap for everyone
- with correctly georeferenced imagery (Bing), not up-to-date
- with standard tagging, included in iD presets
Specialists tasks for experienced OSM/GIS users
- with cutting-edge imagery
- with somewhat innovative or custom tagging


> How is it that, "...the DigitalGlobe 2015-05-03 (DG) images have had
> minimal georectification.."  This is bizarre, this is not GIS, this is
> merely sketching.  Why is such imagery being offered and accepted?

Because this imagery is: first, only, available, best, useful and
directly put to use.


> it seems that most people are content with a world that can be up to 200 m 
> out of whack.

We are not.

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Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

[althio]

Suzan,

As you are interested to help with these 1-min video: please join the
shared document, read it and update it.

> There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the
> individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even
> better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs
> for training materials...
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing


Your other comments (about current training) are certainly valid but
this is not the best thread for that.

Cheers,

- althio

On 7 May 2015 at 09:30, Suzan Reed  wrote:
> Training
> My major problem with the current training, it's long, boring, and slow. A 
> Quick Start Guide would be perfect for someone like me. A video with this 
> information would be great. I could not go through the training because it 
> went too slow, so I missed some information, but found the process for 
> someone like me who works in Photoshop pretty easy and intuitive, but I'm not 
> a usual newbie.
>
> An orientation video for the area being mapped.
> I don't think many mappers know what buildings in remote areas of Nepal look 
> like, or that villages are spread out over a big area, or that paths just end 
> and do not connect in rural Nepal. A video with still and moving images I 
> believe would be a big help. People could then see buildings are not square, 
> built out of piles of rocks, and are often two stories tall with animals 
> below and people above. Roofs are tin, or packed earth. If mappers could see 
> this I think they would do a better job mapping. The video could also go over 
> other details of the project. I'd be willing to help with this.
>
> Mentors
> I have connected with someone who is my mentor and checks my work. Think it 
> would be great if every newbie could have a mentor, or a group of mentors to 
> submit work to.
>
> Correcting other's work
> We all want to do a good job, but I don't think the training gives the most 
> important information up front, i.e. make buildings the right size and square.
>
> I've just deleted and redrawn about 100 buildings that were not square nor 
> did they fit on the image footprint. The mappers probably thought a rough 
> polygon would let people know a building existed in that spot, but that's not 
> what's needed. Same with paths that didn't conform to the image. How to do it 
> right would be so helpful if included in the training up front. I don't think 
> most people have the patience to go through slow training, or my DVD wouldn't 
> have come with a Quick Start Guide!
>
> I'm a Newbie, and I recommend newbies be limited to drawing buildings and 
> adding roads and paths. Experts should draw Residential Areas in rural areas 
> and note forests and other features. I've corrected hundreds of buildings and 
> paths. It's a waste of time and energy for the original mapper and the person 
> correcting. We all want to do a good job or we wouldn't be spending hours 
> mapping.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On May 6, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Laura Camellini wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> as I suggested some days ago, I'd like to add these video training (while 
> done) to a moodle course, And maybe be able to synch the moodle course 
> training with the task manager permission to edit maps.
> Do you think this could help you with your tasks?
>
> Regards,
> LauraC
>
> 2015-05-07 3:16 GMT+02:00 Mhairi O'Hara :
> Dear Hotties,
>
> Please see the e-mail from Pete Masters from the Missing Maps project:
>
> We are thinking about putting together some video training resources
> for HOT mapping for newbies. No concrete plans yet, just getting some
> thoughts together.
>
> There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the
> individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even
> better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs
> for training materials...
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
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Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions

[althio]

Hi Laura,


> as I suggested some days ago, I'd like to add these video training (while
> done) to a moodle course

I will support that.


> And maybe be able to synch the moodle course
> training with the task manager permission to edit maps.

Maybe... but that can be considered later.
It is not a must-have from my point-of-view.
Let us try first to put good documentation and training.
Let us see later if we still need to add permission and locks.


>> There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the
>> individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even
>> better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs
>> for training materials...
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing

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Re: [HOT] State of The Map - France, 29/30/31 May 2015, Brest

[althio]

Hi HOTties,

Please find here detailed information about this upcoming event:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_France_2015

> The french association OpenStreetMap France is organizing the third edition 
> of State of the Map France. The event SOTM-FR 2015 will take place in Brest 
> (Brittany), from May 29th to May 31st 2015.
> Brest is large city with an important military harbour located at the far 
> west end of France. Its universities (Université de Bretagne Occidentale) are 
> opening their facilities for SOTM-FR and excellent conditions are expected 
> for the conferences and workshops.
> SOTM-FR is a major event in France and is the best opportunity to meet people 
> contributing to and using OpenStreetMap, to share experiences, make contacts, 
> plan projects, and so on.
> This year the theme of the conference is : What usages for the OpenStreetMap 
> ecosystem ?

Please let me know (preferably off-list) if you intend to come, get
involved or just happen to be close by.

- althio


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29/30/31 mai 2015
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Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery

[althio]

Hi Pat,

If I understand your request correctly here are some keywords:
offset, align, misalignement, georectification

and some links
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_Imagery
http://learnosm.org/en/editing/correcting-imagery-offset/

@Joshua
I would recommend using the "fix alignment" tool to move the imagery
to match the existing data and then trace new data as needed.
It is important to keep the new data consistent with the existing data
in the neighbourhood.
It is not practical to use iD editor to batch move several objects.

- althio


On 5 May 2015 at 08:21, Pat Tressel  wrote:
> Don't want to let this thread fade away...
>
> I would like to adjust the changesets I did in the Borang area using the HIU
> DG imagery, now that I've seen areas along the margins where both Bing and
> HIU DG imagery exist, and so can get a reasonable net shift (up to local
> variations).  I haven't found the right search terms to turn up relevant
> info in the wiki.  Happy to be a guinea pig for this, and then if it works,
> we can contact the other mappers using the same imagery in the same area, or
> adjust their work ourselves.  Also happy to re-check the work following the
> shift.  But, as I say, I haven't found relevant info, so would appreciate
> some guidance.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

[althio]

On 28 April 2015 at 11:46, Brad Neuhauser  wrote:
> on the Nepal Roads page, there is a section on
> Highways in Rural & Mountainous Areas which seems to imply that highway=path
> is usually the correct tagging for these roads. Is this correct?

highway=unclassified seems to be favored in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Highways_in_Rural_.26_Mountainous_Areas

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[HOT] [forum] [Iraq] Need help with data export

[althio]

Hi Hotties,

Maybe somebody would be able to help here :

http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30463

Index
» Crisis mapping
» [Iraq] Need help with data export

Hey all,

I am working for humanitarian response in Iraq for Syrian refugees and
Iraqi IDPs. For long time information management units struggle to get
up to date bilingual dataset with settlements for Iraq. That would
facilitate a LOT humanitarian response in all sectors. Current COD
from OCHA, used for last months, is based on old digitized maps and is
far away from ideal, only English and in a lot of cases not correct.

Since June I went across a lot of datasets and visits in the fiels,
and can say that OSM data for cities, towns, villages and localities
seems to be the most comprehensive dataset for Iraq. However I
struggle to find a way to export data as bilingual (English and
Arabic). Ideally would need in csv or shp to be able to share with
IMOs. Could anyone give me a hand with this?

Many many thanks!

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Re: [HOT] Ebola Outbreak UNMEER Routing : Data Collection

[althio]

On 27 March 2015 at 14:07, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>
> You were also asking about the table of content.
>
> If we go to http://learnosm.org/en/
> There are at least two ways to get the table of content, not with the same
> content.
>
> On the first page, there is the More Guide section
> https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/wiki/English-Learning-Guides

"More Guides" section sits on the github-wiki and is not maintained.
Anything on the github-wiki is very likely outdated and superseded by
the content on the main LearnOSM website.
Unfortunately we have this "More Guides" yellow button and this link
to github.com/hotosm/learnosm/wiki/English-Learning-Guides.
The homepage needs reworking for all links and buttons. "More Guides"
yellow button should be removed then.


> If we select What is OpenStreetMap in Common Questions
> http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/introduction/
> A different list with at the bottom Mapping with smartphones.

In fact anywhere else (all sections, all pages with content) on the
LearnOSM proper website you should have the table of content.

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Re: [HOT] Ebola Outbreak UNMEER Routing : Data Collection

[althio]

Hi Pierre,

Nick covered it all, thanks Nick!

In addition to LearnOSM (english for now) you may also recall a french
tutorial by CI community.
http://openstreetmap.ci/2015/02/02/osmtrackerutiliser-son-smartphone-pour-collecter-de-la-donnee/


On 27 March 2015 at 12:46, Nick Allen  wrote:
> Pierre,
>
> This section of LearnOSM;
>
> http://learnosm.org/en/mobile-mapping/osmand/
>
> has sections on both OSMand & OSMTracker, but they are probably in need of a
> review. I've been a long time user of both, and each has evolved, but the
> principles in LearnOSM will probably be enough to get someone started. The
> last time I checked on the stats, they were one of the most visited sections
> of LearnOSM
>
> There has been a recent discussion thread on the googleGroups OSMand
> section, and someone has posted this link (I haven't had the chance to fully
> read it yet)
>
> https://joostschouppe.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/using-osmand-on-the-road/
>
> Also, the OSMand site itself http://osmand.net/ which contains some info.
>
> And lastly, and the one I find easiest - on the app. itself, click on the
> question mark and a help screen with links appears.
>
> I'd like to check the LearnOSM site on these subjects, but am completely
> swamped at the moment, so can only offer to 'try when I can'.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
>
>
> On 26/03/15 20:01, Pierre Béland wrote:
>
> We discussed earlier about UNMEER routing project. They presently have a
> project in Kambia to collect field data and they plan to use 50 phones. They
> inform us that has the team grow, more and more people use OSMAND. They want
> also to use OSMTracker and are looking for learning material about these two
> tools.
>
> Could you please report about any learning material that we have.
>
> regard
>
> Pierre
>
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[HOT] Workflow, task tracking, to do lists, etc

[althio]

>From activation WG list:

"Mhairi O'Hara"  wrote:
>
> tools to really manage our projects and stick to them.
> ...
> So I am going to suggest the following:
>
> 1.) Project Management - GitHub
> 2.) Brainstorm Ideas - Trello
> 3.) Documentation - Google Docs

This is just name dropping from what I see around:
Bug tracking, versioning - GitHub
Project management - Waffle.io on GitHub, asana
Mediawiki/Phabricator for planning
Also: Trello, trac
Brainstorm ideas - Trello, Rizzoma, Hackpad
Decision-making - Loomio
Documentation - wiki

> Please let me know your thoughts on these and suggest some alternatives.
I know that a lot of people use Hackpad, which I haven't really and could
use some insight into the value of its application.
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Re: [HOT] Weekly Activation Working Group

[althio]

Hi all, hi Séverin,

Because of daylight saving time [DST] in some part of the world, i would
suggest you pick any Tuesday in April to set up the poll.
 On Mar 17, 2015 3:25 AM, "Severin Menard"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So yes, we decided during the last monthly AWG meeting to move ahead and
> to test having a weekly meeting, moreover because we have much in our plate
> to prepare the future HOT Activation Summit, especially brainstorming about
> what we want to document and in which kind of materials.
>
> What we did not plan is what happened to Vanuatu last week, and of course
> it will be a good opportunity to make an assessment of the first days of
> the activation with the first TM jobs are almost over, including the one
> focusing on tracing buildings.
>
> We also discussed about having two different time slots, eg alternating
> every week, to allow people for whom the current time is too early or too
> late to participate. We decided the best way to figure out if it would
> interest people and what time would then fit the most, here is a Doodle
>  to evaluate it. You should see the
> time zone on the far right and you need to double check it is your time
> zone.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
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Re: [HOT] What I want from HOT (was: Re: Let's make the most of this)

[althio]

> Dear everyone,
>
> Let me kickstart this.  First, no, I’m not running for the board, but
> here’s what I want HOT to aspire for in the future.

Good ones, Maning! Very inspiring.
Here is my brain dump of ideas, wishes, concerns and requests. No
priorities either. Not a complete assessment, just my point of view.


What I want from the Board:
A global overview of the running organisation.
A strategic view of the key positions and organisation bottlenecks.
A clear roadmap and to-do list of most-needed actions, most-wanted
features, most-blocking blockers. Directions. Priorities. Guidance.
Decision to allocate efforts and money where it helps the most. With
open decisions, always motivated; open debate whenever it is possible,
open budget. Transparent. Reports. Feedback.


What I want from the Board and/or Governance WG:
Board rotating, eg. 2 seats every 6 months, 2-year term.
For all processes including nomination and vote for board and
membership: clear requirements, extended periods, no rush. eg.
announcement, 1 month for nomination, 1 month for discussion, 1 month
for vote.


What I want from Projects and Working groups:
Project manager(s) collecting, organising ideas and proposing to-do
lists so that more contributors can help without having to figure out
the entire organisation or project structure and needs. More
documentation.


I would like to see more collaborative work done by online text pads,
more exchanges on WG email lists, more polls and decisions and reports
with collaborative online tools.
There is a wide diversity of languages, a range of language
proficiency, time zones, personal time availability, limited network
access...
What kind of diversity do we want in the Working Groups?

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Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager updated

[althio]

Hi Pierre,

You can click on the link "2.8.0...2.9
" to
the page
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/compare/2.8.0...2.9

On 11 March 2015 at 23:09, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Great,
>
> Thanks Pierre.
>
> Do we have a list of the fixes?
>
>
> Pierre
>
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>
> Dear hotties,
>
> A new release (2.9.0) of the Tasking Manager has been deployed earlier
> today.
>
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/releases/tag/2.9.0
>
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>
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Re: [HOT] Gentle grump

[althio]

John, Ray,

I think the quick start guide is a very neat idea. I would need to try the
workflow and a few variations for myself.

For the time being I only have reservations about the trick "
upload-and-cancel". It would be IMO simpler and better to guide people to
use consciously validation instead of faking an upload. (Validation window
and/or Shift+V)

I would say this particular aspect of the workflow is not intended for
beginners (and idiots) because it is error-prone. (What if I am still
trying to figure out what needs to be mapped? I am a beginner and do not
know or understand the differences between projects and their
instructions... What if I upload bad data? I am an idiot...)

I think you must learn to walk before you can run. This kind of tricks is
for people who want to map faster, understand the pros and cons, the
purpose and risks.


Anyway John, I fully agree your post is a nice starting point for this kind
of guide with an "approved" and proposed workflow for simple tasks. Thank
you Nick for safekeeping the idea.


althio


On Mar 7, 2015 8:43 AM, "Ray Kiddy"  wrote:

>
> John -
>
> Wow. That was actually an amazing help.
>
> I am not sure how adding a plugin can be made intuitive for someone
> doing it the first time without this level of detail.
>
> I also think part of my problem is going from slippy maps, like what we
> have been using on the web for years, and the iPhone and so on, to
> JOSM. The navigation is ... different. I guess control-arrow makes
> sense for moving in the map, but I seem to keep looking for a "grab"
> tool of some kind. My hands know slippy maps.
>
> And your "hit-update-but-dont" workflow is brilliant, but the fact that
> it has to be done that way, or is easier done that way Well, it
> suggests something is off, but I do not know what. We will see.
>
> I think that, at this point, I can go to the JOSM resources and get
> where I need to go.
>
> It is certainly daunting at first but, OMG, for buildings, JOSM is
> fantastic.
>
> Well, onward and upward.
>
> - ray
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:30:59 -0500
> john whelan  wrote:
>
> > Right the basic idiot guide.
> >
> > First write down your OSM userid and password.
> >
> > For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings.
> > Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we
> > like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential.
> >
> > Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the
> > bottom.
> >
> > We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to
> > map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the
> > left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest.
> >
> > Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button.
> > Download the list.  Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical
> > order, click it and ignore the rest.
> >
> > go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917
> >
> > Read the instructions.
> >
> > Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM.
> >
> > Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM
> > map for the tile.
> >
> > We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc
> > until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select
> > Bing.
> >
> > Now we need to trace over the image.  We'll use two buttons directly
> > under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes.
> > Hover the mouse over them to display the tags.
> >
> > Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90
> > meters shows on the scale.  Personally I start at the top right
> > corner and use  to scan the image.
> >
> > The following is not the official way to do things but its fast.  Draw
> > round each settlement but don't tag it.  If you're lucky enough to
> > find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag
> > it.  As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road.  Stick
> > to one type of highway omit the others for the moment.
> >
> > The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools.
> >
> > When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload.  On
> > the right  hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation
> > Results box, click on the + by the warning.  You'll see untagged
> > ways.  Highlight the untagged ways and select them.
> >
> > In tags Add landuse=residential to them all.
> >
> > Click the upload button

Re: [HOT] project/917#task/61

[althio]

Hi John,

> If you do a JOSM search for building=yes  there appear to be two but I think
> it needs more specific knowledge.  I've validated it as I think its fine but
> if someone comes along with a different approach it can be unvalidated.

Instructions are for: "road network and settlements".
Please do not consider to invalidate for some isolated buildings.

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Re: [HOT] Validation

[althio]

[continued... sorry for the previous post without meaningful content]

> If some people want a deeper dive into Tasking Manager, here are a few
> pointers to the GitHub repository for improvements and bug tracking system.
>

"Blake Girardot"  wrote:
> There are probably some programmatic things to improve the situation that
could be done:
> 1. Dialog box on marking "Done" that asks "Are you sure you have mapped
everything in the 'Entities to map' field?"

Related in GitHub: add a popup/checklist of items to map and items to review

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/421
This issue is open for comments and suggestions.



> I tend to almost never invalidate a square unless it is obvious that
someone clicked "done" thinking that meant they were just "done" looking at
it

Related in Github: my long proposal to modify labels ("Done" is misleading,
"Invalidate" is unpleasant), add a 2-click process to mark (checkbox and
button) and hide invalidated status from the GUI for normal users (+ more
proposals for wording, colors, icons...)

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/484
mockup https://moqups.com/althio.fo...@gmail.com/3LXQtQ9I
This issue is open for comments and suggestions.

This is to be discussed but I think "invalidate" could be hidden on the map
or changed to something more neutral like "re-open".




Vao Matua  wrote:
> A suggestion for the HOT Tasking Manager Stats page would be to add the
number of tiles an individual mapper Validates.

See this report from Nick:
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/545
and a previous one about contributing without marking as done
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/368
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Re: [HOT] Validation

[althio]

If some people want a deeper dive into Tasking Manager, here are a few
pointers to the GitHub repository for improvements and bug tracking system.

"Blake Girardot"  wrote:
 Nick, Blake & althio, Good practical advice.
I think it is important to remember that there are humans on either side of
the validation.
There have been times when I added a few features and then validated, other
times I start adding and realize that quite a bit had been missed and then
I'm kind of stuck and just finish it off.  Hopefully I'm not leaving a
similar trail for others to clean up.

A suggestion for the HOT Tasking Manager Stats page would be to add the
number of tiles an individual mapper Validates.

As John says "we have a lot of tiles to map".

Map on

Emmor
(Palolo)

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:59 AM, althio  wrote:

> My personal views is that statuses done/validated/invalidated should be
> related to progress and quality of the current state of mapping.
> We should not use that to give feedback or give implicitly a notation to
> previous mappers.
> Use comments (with @-mentions) for feedback.
> A "notation" of mappers is a very complex and different problem.
>
>
> Pragmatic / Real situation answers
>
> Empty tile or most work not done: invalidated, short comment.
>
> A bit of work left to do ie. a few missing elements or tagging errors. I
> would do corrections to bring the mapping standard up to required level, I
> would add detailed comment to provide feedback or guidance. If I am
> confident enough with the previous work and my minor edits, I validate
> since the tile is now OK. Otherwise I leave it to another reviewer.
>
> In between? It depends on the mood and available time obviously and the
> limits between cases are fuzzy.
> If I have too little time or it is too much corrections I would go for the
> comments only with @-mentions, most of the time with no further
> validation/invalidation. If I avoid invalidation I hope the comment is
> enough for track record and bring attention to previous and potential
> mappers. This is taking care of community over quality and I appreciate
> that opinions may differ.
>
>
> john whelan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Question at what point should I invalidate?  The question arises when
>> perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm
>> fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in
>> the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen
>> settlements and no one else will be validating.
>>
>> I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is
>> a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the
>> moment we have a lot of tiles to map.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>
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Re: [HOT] Validation

[althio]

> 2. Maybe reverse what we have now: No mail gets sent when something is
invalidated and mail gets sent when something is validated. I don't know
how many people come back to map if their task square gets invalidated
anyway, especially if it is weeks or months later so we might not be
gaining anything by sending the invalidated notice and just discouraging
people.
>
> I think we would gain a lot more if people got notices of the good job
they did instead.
>
> And then we wouldn't feel bad to invalidate a task square so it can get
the attention it needs and we can move on to validate more tasks.
>
> That might be a good simple start, just stop sending the 'invalidated'
notices.

 Your point about no more notifications of invalidated tiles is quite
thought provoking Blake.
My first instinct would be to disagree because I like to know when my tiles
get invalidated. It can happen that some reviewers ask for more mapping
than the instructions (in particular important buildings vs all buildings).
Any time the instructions are unclear it is getting worse.
Some personal examples:
http:// tasks.hotosm.org
/project/751#task/154

http:// tasks.hotosm.org
/project/765#task/163

http:// tasks.hotosm.org
/project/767#task/261

http:// tasks.hotosm.org
/project/767#task/207


Anyway any default behavior for notifications could be overridden by
specific @-mentions from any comments/validation/invalidation.

Notification for validated is positive feedback.
Notification for invalidated is negative feedback, but comment is
compulsory.
Notification for invalidated with comment (automatic or @-mention) is
constructive feedback.
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Re: [HOT] Validation

[althio]

My personal views is that statuses done/validated/invalidated should be
related to progress and quality of the current state of mapping.
We should not use that to give feedback or give implicitly a notation to
previous mappers.
Use comments (with @-mentions) for feedback.
A "notation" of mappers is a very complex and different problem.


Pragmatic / Real situation answers

Empty tile or most work not done: invalidated, short comment.

A bit of work left to do ie. a few missing elements or tagging errors. I
would do corrections to bring the mapping standard up to required level, I
would add detailed comment to provide feedback or guidance. If I am
confident enough with the previous work and my minor edits, I validate
since the tile is now OK. Otherwise I leave it to another reviewer.

In between? It depends on the mood and available time obviously and the
limits between cases are fuzzy.
If I have too little time or it is too much corrections I would go for the
comments only with @-mentions, most of the time with no further
validation/invalidation. If I avoid invalidation I hope the comment is
enough for track record and bring attention to previous and potential
mappers. This is taking care of community over quality and I appreciate
that opinions may differ.


john whelan  wrote:

>
> Question at what point should I invalidate?  The question arises when
> perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm
> fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in
> the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen
> settlements and no one else will be validating.
>
> I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a
> concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the
> moment we have a lot of tiles to map.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheerio John
>
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Re: [HOT] #868 - Missing Maps: Epworth, Zimbabwe

[althio]

>
>
> 1. why is the demarcated area including a lot outside the actual area of
> interest, notably in the south, where there are a lot of farms, rather than
> the built-up area of interest?
>

I cannot tell for sure but maybe people in this area are included for the
action of MSF to follow this "highly mobile population".
Another point of view would be: the rural areas are quicker to map than
buildings in slum, so it is not a big overhead anyway.


2. is it possible to undo some of the split tiles? There are a few that are
> inconveniently small, and have not really been worked on.
>

Unfortunately I don't think it is possible to re-merge tiles. You could
work on a larger area if you feel more comfortable, just be careful of
conflicts with neighbouring mappers and you should frequently upload and
download for refresh. Be sure to mark all your tiles as done afterwards.

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Re: [HOT] LearnOSM - updates

[althio]

Forwarding this "iD Editor translation QA tool" as it is related to our
discussion on translation, quality and possible shared translation across
projects.

Thanks Imre.

>From list [OSM-talk] Subject:this has to stop: iD user mistakes all over
the place


On Feb 13, 2015 8:26 AM, "Imre Samu"  wrote:

> >There's one more face to iD and mistakes users make: translations.
> >Bad translations cause bad tagging.
> > Example: "track" was translated to Polish .
>
> Good translation is very important for the beginners.
> and _now_  not so easy to check the quality of the iD translations.
>
> I would like to inform you, that I am working on a new *"iD Editor
> translation QA tool" *
>for helping translators  detecting  translator bugs ...
>
> I have created an experimental, manually formatted QA metadata reports for
> Polish language :)
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CLt3l_ZQhKFRH5YmfGzo3VJNLQHtHiZSBva3ldU_jJs/edit?pli=1#gid=1373627312
> 
>
> Maybe you can use.
>  (   4 Sheets :
> -  "meta_pl" : meta data ...
> -  "iDups",<-  duplicated/same translations
> -  "iPresets",<-   presets  ( 2028  )
> [ translations from transifex +  presets.json
> 
>  ]
> -   "iFields"  <-fields (261 )
>  [translations from transifex + fields.json
> 
>  ]
>   )
>
>
> Freshly generated raw reports exists  for every other  iD languages (
> de,pl,es,ru, cz,pt,  ... ) ( but not formated )
>see  :   https://github.com/ImreSamu/ideditor_translation_test_reports
>
>find  your xlsx -> "./qadata/
> (LangCode)/id_presets_translation_(LangCode).xlsx"
>for example:
>
> ./qadata/af/id_presets_translation_af.xlsx
> ./qadata/ar/id_presets_translation_ar.xlsx
> ./qadata/ar-AA/id_presets_translation_ar-AA.xlsx
> ./qadata/ast/id_presets_translation_ast.xlsx
> ./qadata/bg-BG/id_presets_translation_bg-BG.xlsx
> ./qadata/bn/id_presets_translation_bn.xlsx
> ./qadata/bs/id_presets_translation_bs.xlsx
> ./qadata/ca/id_presets_translation_ca.xlsx
> ./qadata/cs/id_presets_translation_cs.xlsx
> ./qadata/da/id_presets_translation_da.xlsx
> ./qadata/de/id_presets_translation_de.xlsx
> ...
>
>
>
> My favorite problems type is the "same/duplicated translations"
> (  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2448 )
> Now the status by languages  -here : id_langDups_all.md
> 
>
>
> For example German language.
> But be careful,  Experimental report!
> Not every  line is problematic -  please check  the other columns
>  like
>   - geometry metadata  (
> area,point,line,vertex,relation )
>   - "searchable"
>(  id_presets_translation_duplicates_de.md
> 
> )nameTranslnameEnpresetKeyAdministrative GrenzeAdministrative Boundary
> type/boundary/administrativeAdministrative GrenzeAdministrative Boundary
> boundary/administrativeBahnsteigPlatformpublic_transport/platformBahnsteigRailway
> Platformrailway/platformBoutiqueBoutiqueshop/boutiqueBoutiqueFabric Store
> shop/fabricCampingplatzCamp Sitetourism/camp_siteCampingplatzRV Park
> tourism/caravan_siteDrogerieChemistshop/chemistDrogerieCosmetics Store
> shop/cosmeticsEisenbahnRailrailway/railEisenbahnRailwayrailwayFährenrouteFerry
> Routeroute/ferryFährenrouteFerry Routetype/route/ferryFriedhofGraveyard
> amenity/grave_yardFriedhofCemeterylanduse/cemeteryGaragenGarages
> building/garagesGaragenGarageslanduse/garagesGemischtwarenhandelConvenience
> Storeshop/convenienceGemischtwarenhandelVariety Storeshop/variety_store
> GrabenDitchbarrier/ditchGrabenDitchwaterway/ditchHütteHutbuilding/hutHütte
> Cabinbuilding/cabinKehrtwendeverbotNo Turns
> type/restriction/only_straight_onKehrtwendeverbotNo U-turn
> type/restriction/no_u_turnKircheChurchamenity/place_of_worship/christian
> KircheChurchbuilding/churchRadwegCycle Pathhighway/cyclewayRadwegCycle
> Routetype/route/bicycleSeilbahnCable Caraerialway/cable_carSeilbahn
> AerialwayaerialwayUhrmacherClockmakercraft/clockmakerUhrmacherWatchmaker
> craft/watchmakerWaldWoodnatural/woodWaldForestlanduse/forestZebrastreifen
> Crosswalkfootway/crosswalkZebrastreifenCrosswalkhighway/crosswalk
>
> And the Translation status by languages :  id_langData_all.md
> 
>
>
>
> Imre
>( from the Hungarian OSM community )
>
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[HOT] 2015 February Activation Working Group Meeting

[althio]

Forwarding to HOT - English.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Severin Menard 
Subject: [Hot-francophone] 2015 February Activation Working Group Meeting
To: "hot-francoph...@openstreetmap.org" 


Hi all,

Just a reminder that, as we are the second Tuesday of the month, the
Activation Working Group meeting will occur today at 2PM UTC on IRC on
the #hot IRC channel on OFTC (Click here if you do not have an IRC
client, put an nickname and select the #hot channel at the very bottom
of the list before logging. If you do not know what IRC is, it is
basically an open platform for texting online in thematic rooms).

Notes and log from the previous meeting are here.
What we have in the agenda (of course, anyone can raise any other topic)

1 Activations

* Floods in Malawi and Mozambique
There is already a job on Lower Shire in Southern Malawi, progressing
slowly, but another flood extent layer is available now, not as
precise as the one for Lower Shire but covering the whole affected
areas. An official activation could be done. We have contacts with
humanitarian stakeholders in Malawi (from the HOT Project in the field
during the last Summer), not yet in Mozambique. Helpful is someone
help me to identify/map affected areas around Zomba, Mulanje, Phalombe
and Blantyre City.

* Crisis in Northern Nigeria
Fred, Nicolas and I contacted humanitarian to set if it would be
beneficial and not detrimental to map these areas in conflict and it
is OK. Nicolas will detail that in an email to come

* CAR (Central African Republic)
Thanks to the MapGive project, we have two new imagery to cover cities
in "Bing holes", Rafai and Obo, that will complete the map of all the
admin 1 and 2 in the country (except a few minor towns). See the uMap
for a clear picture. A blog post should be done shortly.

* South Sudan
Juba is progressing well now, and other towns are also mapped through
the Missing Map Project with whom we will coordinate more. Help for
monitoring and prepare jobs is welcome

* Ebola
Would be good to have an update from Pierre and Andrew. AFAIK there
are cases close to the western border of Ivory Coast where there is
unfortunately a "Bing hole".

2 Documentation

* TOR are still to be adopted. Please read them and give your feedback

* Through the Grant given by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation
due to the huge contribution from the hot/osm community during the
Ebola activation, an Activation documentation and training project is
being planned


Talk to you in a couple of hours.

Sincerely,

Severin

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Re: [HOT] LearnOSM - updates

[althio]

> > export possible of this glossary file
>
> ... really good idea ...
> Transifex supports multiple localization formats [1] ...
> ... translation methods are not consistent across OSM [2]
>... iD editor ... already use translated strings from there [3] directly
into LearnOSM.

Thanks Cristiano for the overview of translation in the OSM world and in
QGIS.
AFAIU the file/data/glossary that should be shared across projects is the
"Translation Memory" [transifex:6,wikipedia:7] as in TMX-XML file. I don't
know how this relates to the glossary CSV file that is available inside
iD@Transifex [8,9].

> QGIS rely on Transifex for both software and documentation localizations
[4].
> It may be worth asking them how well it works for that purpose.

Indeed. Maybe it was chosen to use only one tool hence Transifex was used
first for software and then also for documentation. They should have a good
understanding of pros and cons about Transifex or even other translation
tools and methods.

@ Paolo and developers of software with localised documentation
Did you get any feedback from your translators (end user of Transiflex) and
your 'final' end users (using your software documentation)? About ease of
work, required technical ability, quality of writing and so on? Do you
think that some people with language proficiency were not able to
contribute because of any technical barrier in the proposed workflow?

> Should we continue this discussion over at the LearnOSM-Coord list [5]?

I am quite happy with the wider audience here for global community
brainstorming, general ideas and feedback. We do not have many developers
and would-be translators in our internal list.

We can continue at the internal LearnOSM-Coord list for more detailed or
technical discussions and proposals specific to LearnOSM.
LearnOSM specificities:
- no software, documentation only.
- in the current form (for the good or the bad) it is not a one-way
translation from master-English to other languages. Translators and editors
in other language are free to propose, add or update contents in localised
versions without waiting for English version.
- intended for all levels, with high focus on beginners.

> [1] http://docs.transifex.com/developer/formats/
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Translation
> [3] https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor/
> [4] https://www.transifex.com/organization/qgis
> [5] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/learnosm-coord/

[6] http://docs.transifex.com/developer/api/tm
[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_Memory_eXchange
[8] https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor/glossary/
[9] https://www.transifex.com/ajax/projects/p/id-editor/glossary/download/
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[althio]

Nice! Thanks Cristiano and Kate for sparking this discussion.

Yantisa your feedback from 2-year experience is invaluable to us. Please
keep in touch!
If I understand correctly the Transiflex workflow is efficient but the
resulting translation is usually awkward.
That is good to know and I will also keep in mind Jorge's wish for
consistency with a built-in glossary.
I don't know how this could fit within our current workflow or any existing
translation tool but I agree it would certainly help.

> And it's not just about easiness or tracking changes, for me a very
important matter is consistency on the vocabulary, and with Transifex is
easy to manage a glossary of terms that different translators can agree

Is there an export possible of this glossary file from transifex or other
translation tools?
Such a file could be maintained and shared for different OSM-HOT projects
that need translation.
For consistency and ease of translation of technical terms across wiki,
software, documentation...

althio

On 28 January 2015 at 11:48, Yantisa Akhadi 
wrote:
> Hi Cristiano,
>
> We have been using Transifex in the past couple of years as a translation
> platform for InaSAFE documentation, as Kate mentioned previously. In our
> experience we found several problems with how it was not suitable to
> translate long text or paragraph since it was splitted into several part
of
> text strings. Therefore when several people translate/validate these text
> strings they would lose the context of the whole paragraph, and translate
> only in the context of those strings. In result, made it a bit awkward to
> read.
>
> We are currently planning to change into something similar/same with
> LearnOSM translation workflow, since a translator able to read the whole
> paragraph and translate based on that context.
>
> Best,
>
> Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> Tel: +62 81 5787 03388 Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org
> hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id
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Re: [HOT] LearnOSM - updates

[althio]

Russell, Cristiano,

As far as I know transifex: it is intended to translate and keep up-to-date
strings that are used possibly several times in software code. It seems
less useful to tackle entire pages of unique text with headings and context
and flow and images.

It is mentioned at least here in the IRC transcript
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Meetings/TrainingWG/27_October_2014

Any thoughts welcome.

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Re: [HOT] LearnOSM - updates

[althio]

Cristiano, Hrvoje, Michael,

I have been working with Nick on the translation workflow of LearnOSM.

We are very much aware that it is not easy to find the sections that need
some work. Even more so when it is only part of an already existing page.
Of course if you are interested you can contact the LearnOSM team. We might
have a rough idea of the status for your language and provide assistance.
learn...@hotosm.org or
on GitHub at http:// <http://github.com/hotosm/learnosm>github.com
<http://github.com/hotosm/learnosm>/hotosm/learnosm
<http://github.com/hotosm/learnosm>

We are trying to review the content and the structure to find better ways,
eg. to handle statuses like untranslated, in progress, outdated,
translated. You can provide ideas and feedback, just look for our recent
activity on GitHub or drop an email.

Unfortunately this is far from done and we still have to review with the
potential translators what needs to be done case by case. We hope the
future will be smoother for our translators and us!

althio - LearnOSM
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Re: [HOT] Damage evaluation tagging schema

[althio]

Hi Pierre, Mark and all

FYI some related schemes -- currently used or proposed in OSM -- are
gathered at this page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts

In particular this section
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts#.3Cstatus.3E:.3Ckey.3E_.3D_.3Cvalue.3E

At a basic level it would look like:
damaged:building=hospital
(damaged is not yet used or documented)

I understand that you need more refinement for details:
* source: imagery/survey
* date
* event name or reference

So maybe you could consider this scheme as a starting point.
Then you could add more field/key/tag so that it is adapted to your
needs for completeness and data extraction.


On Jan 23, 2015 5:04 AM, "Markware Software Services"
 wrote:

> Osm does have these tags already defined, I am sure you are aware
> ...
> abandoned=* - for a building

and other related tags: disused/demolished/removed...

But see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned
in particular the section: Former use (as a simple tag)
with
Older scheme (deprecated)
Intermediate scheme (discouraged)
Current scheme (recommended)

From the wiki: Using a simple key is now strongly discouraged. It is
recommended to use the namespaced form instead.
This leads to the scheme in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts#.3Cstatus.3E:.3Ckey.3E_.3D_.3Cvalue.3E


althio

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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Dhaka, Bangladesh!

[althio althio]

Hi Bouke Pieter,

I will try to answer and Jorieke may refine later on.

> For high (appartment)buildings I assume building=yes?

OK.
From the instructions tab: map landmarks, large buildings, not small ones
[tags]
building=yes for rectangular & round buildings - trace the building outline
building=construction for walls without a roof
[note: I assume more refinement are possible as in
building=residential or building=apartments but this is hard to tell
from imagery and not requested in this project]
[note 2: To Jorieke; maybe request additional tag for large buildings
otherwise they will not stand out if small buildings are ever traced.
Maybe height=* or building:levels=* even if it is approximate. Anyway
I think this is valid for any mapping: building=yes/residential +
building:levels=6..8..10..12 + source:building:levels=estimate from
imagery]
[note 3: sometimes in other project, building=construction is not
encouraged because construction seen in imagery may well be finished
by now. So follow instructions project by project]


> Trees: natural=tree?

OK.
from the powerpoint: map BIG trees (because they are landmarks,
significant tree)
[tags]
natural=tree [I assume]


> But how to do an open area? area=yes?

No.
from the powerpoint: map open spaces
[tags]
leisure=common [I assume, as usual practice for HOT]

Cheers

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Re: [HOT] Congo-Brazzaville, carte/map, import

[althio althio]

[version en français plus bas]

Hi HOT

Short update on data from mapper iero and his work in progress.

The discussion continues on the French forum [1].
New wiki page in French for coordination [2].
MapCraft cake created to share the work [3]. People joined already to
map roads. Other features will follow.
Data available on his website [4].

A few requests from iero or myself:
* If you are familiar with Congo or Africa or Highway_Tag_Africa or
JOSM or MapCraft, please do join!
* If you are used to Highway_Tag_Africa at country level, a global
review of the most important roads is most welcome.
* If you know how to find the best imagery available for an area,
please let us know [with a link or in a separate thread?].
* If you know the best imagery available for this area (other than
Bing), please let us know.


Bonjour la communauté.

Voici un petit point sur les données de iero et l'avancement de son travail.

La discussion continue sur le forum OSM-fr [1].
La page FR:WikiProject_Republique_du_Congo est créée pour assurer la
coordination [2].
Le travail est réparti grâce à l'outil MapCraft. Plusieurs
contributeurs sont actifs pour cartographier les routes [3]. Les
autres catégories suivront.
Les données sont disponibles sur son site [4].

Quelques demandes de la part de iero et moi-même :
* Si vous connaissez le Congo ou l'Afrique, ou Highway_Tag_Africa ou
JOSM ou MapCraft, venez participer SVP !
* Si vous avez l'habitude d'utiliser Highway_Tag_Africa à l'échelle
d'un pays, nous vous serions reconnaissants de faire une revue globale
des routes principales.
* Si vous savez comment trouver la meilleure imagerie disponible pour
un secteur, faîtes passer l'information [par un lien vers une
documentation ou dans un fil séparé ?]
* Si vous connaissez la meilleure imagerie disponible pour le Congo (à
part Bing), informez-nous SVP.


[1] http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1639
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_Republique_du_Congo
[3] http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/466
[4] http://www.iero.org/tmp/osm/

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Re: [HOT] Starting on JOSM

[althio althio]

Hi Andrew, welcome to HOT and our mailing list!

> Worldview-2 ... name given is Digital Global - is this one and the same.

Yes. "The imagery [...] is from Digital Globe’s WorldView-2 satellite
taken on February 20, 2014."
This gets confusing when sometimes we refer to the provider and
sometimes to the satellite.

The imagery handling is quite complicated and has been modified over
time in this particular project.
So you picked a tough one for a starter but brace yourself and follow us!
Everything related to the imagery is detailed for this project in the
very first tab "Description".

For your convenience I copy here two sets of explanation regarding the
imagery instructions.
[from a previous thread with close topic at:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-January/007016.html
]

>>> 1. Start editing a task.
>>> 2. Load the Bing imagery (now 2013 images). (In JOSM do not use the 
>>> alignment database plugin settings, they are no long needed for Bing 
>>> imagery)
>>> 3. Make sure some buildings and roads are mapped correctly using the Bing 
>>> imagery. Move or map some new ones to match Bing.
>>> 4. Then load the WorldView imagery (2014 imagery).
>>> 5. Background align the WorldView imagery to match what you just mapped in 
>>> using the Bing imagery if needed.
>>> 6. Carry on mapping using the WorldView imagery after you have aligned it 
>>> or checked its alignment.

>> As a summary of what Blake explained, you should use both imageries for 
>> project #591.
>> 1. First use Bing as a reference for alignment and do the first pass with 
>> most of the mapping;
>> 2. Second use Worldview - to be aligned on Bing - as it is more recent. Use 
>> it for an update pass mapping (it should be a few more or less buildings 
>> mostly).


With this in mind, let me come back to your questions.

> When I converted to JOSM as loaded, on one
> occasion I moved the bling image to co-incide with my plotted items, and
> adjusted the placing of these areas.  Are both of these actions valid?

In this project, Bing imagery is the common reference for alignment so
you should not move it.
I think michael63 helped you already with your square.
Do not try to align on GPS traces even if you can find one, as we are
interested in homogeneity.
Everyone aligned to Bing is more useful.


>> if you are not sure about the nature of an object do not place any questions 
>> in the name tag, use the note tag for this purpose

The note tag is well suited indeed for a remark concerning tagging.
Another common practice is fixme=* for instance "fixme=confirm if
school and add name" or "fixme=confirm if farmland".
These "fixme" tags really stands out with the map-style Humanitarian
that can be loaded in JOSM.
Many experienced HOT mappers and validators use this style.


Thanks everyone and keep going!

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[HOT] Congo-Brazzaville, carte/map, import

[althio althio]

[version en français plus bas]

Hi HOT

I open this thread to discuss the work of iero (CC'd).
It has done a huge and wonderful job of offline mapping in the Congo
Republic or Congo-Brazzaville (not to be confused with DRC and
Kinshasa).
It wants now to share everything with OSM but it may require a bit of
advice but above all: help is welcome.
This is most discussed for now in the French forum [1] and the
discussion may continue on this thread but on French mailing list
hot-francophone.

But feel free to discuss it here in English too, and keep iero address
in the loop. We will try to keep you updated.



Bonjour la communauté.

Sur le forum OSM-fr [1] nous discutons avec iero (en copie) de son
travail de cartographie de la République du Congo / Congo-Brazzaville
(et non pas RDC / Kinshasa).
Je ne vais pas répéter ici l'ensemble de la discussion du forum qui
est déjà fournie et détaillée.
Je pense que la communauté HOT et particulièrement la communauté
francophone pourrait s'associer à lui pour améliorer grandement la
carte de ce pays.

Je ne sais pas encore quelle forme cela pourrait prendre pour être le
plus propre et efficace possible, je vous demande donc votre concours.
La problématique est différente entre l'amélioration des grandes
villes (Brazzaville et Pointe-Noire) et le remplissage de zones
presque vides.

Est-ce qu'il serait intéressant de traiter cela comme un import ?
Est-ce adapté pour un travail partagé, par Tasking Manager ou MapCraft ?

Bonne journée,

althio



[1] http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1639

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Re: [HOT] Project: "Improving the HOT tasking manager homepage"

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Nitika, all,

I gave my suggestions and comments.
I added a link to my related open issue on GitHub.
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/477

I don't know if this is understandable by the Activation people but I
think for the sake of clarity 'Project' should be kept as wording in
Tasking Manager. On the other hand, HOT website should use 'HOT
Program' instead of 'HOT Project'.

On 28 December 2014 at 16:30, Severin Menard  wrote:
> Thanks for the spreadsheet Nikita, I put my comment, others already did it
> previously
>
> Severin
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Nitika  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> We were working on the wording glossary for the Tasking Manager v1, v2 and
>> the terms used for the same description in the HOT Website. Please see the
>> spreadsheet (link mentioned below) in which we have mentioned about the
>> relevant terms used in tasking manager v1, v2 and HOT Website.
>>
>> Since many of us were confused about the correct terms that are being used
>> by the developers, it will also help the community to use a single term for
>> a specific description. Please have a look on the spreadsheet and mention
>> about your reviews and feedback (under the Suggestions Tab) along with your
>> name.
>>
>> Link to the Spreadsheet:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KDQrRxxBXaxysRUSxr8Kdxw2LXkgwhmREy52i4sLHLE/edit
>>
>> Note: The spreadsheet is editable.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Nitika
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Task manager description/instructions #591

[althio forum]

On 2 January 2015 at 15:14, Laura Green  wrote:
> I’d like to comment generally about the hot task manager 
> descriptions/instructions:
>
> Unless indicated as "Expert only" at the very beginning of an activation 
> page, I'm assuming all activations are for the general public to contribute 
> to? The "whys and wherefores" and technical information I feel are often 
> getting in the way of plain and simple  guidance as to what is required, so 
> people can just get on with it, and not have to hunt for the pertinent 
> information.  Plainly worded bullet points would be ideal. Any "nice to know" 
> information could be provided below this.


Laura and others, regarding description versus instructions and
regarding presentation, format, general quality of instructions.
This is an ongoing discussion subject and there is some work in
progress so it is certainly the right time to give feedback, advice
and any comments.
To name a few of the places where this happens, I would be very
thankful for your opinions with replies in discussions [1-5] and
especially comments on proposals and mockups [6,7].

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-January/007021.html
- [HOT] Updating/changing directions on exiting Projects

[2] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/517 - Extend MarkDown
[3] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/132 -
Project editing - Markdown for entities to map
[4] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/172 -
Templates for project creation
[5] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/193 -
Re-introduce Instruction Tab


[6] 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/132#issuecomment-67401555
- The instructions should follow a standardized format (and that
includes formatting).
[7] https://moqups.com/althio.fo...@gmail.com/foD30dBJ


I could say the same about big projects workflow or pictures for
features or validation tables. Feel free to discuss in a separate
subject on HOT list, join Training Working Group or add reports and
requests in GitHub.

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Re: [HOT] Task manager description/instructions #591

[althio forum]

What a great discussion, thanks Laura for your meaningful question and
thanks to you all for your inputs.


Laura: As a summary of what Blake explained, you should use both
imageries for project #591.
1. First use Bing as a reference for alignment and do the first pass
with most of the mapping;
2. Second use Worldview - to be aligned on Bing - as it is more
recent. Use it for an update pass mapping (it should be a few more or
less buildings mostly).


Pete: your message is not lengthy, rather it is informative and
extremely useful. Interesting feedback and great resources. Thanks for
sharing them too!


John and others, regarding multi-pass mapping workflow:
I agree this is a neat idea and we should consider it, maybe try it
for a large-scale mapping project without emergency first.

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Re: [HOT] HOT #777 (East Cameroon) feature identification: residential or farmyard?

[althio forum]

Hi Martin,

Good job spotting these settlements and tracks.

It is a good idea to tag the forests as they are part of the instructions.

It is also asked that you map rivers and streams if you can find them.
And I am fairly sure that all these patches of woodland are in fact
covering such rivers and streams.
Have a look from high above:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/4.4159/13.9064

All the best

althio


On 23 December 2014 at 11:18, m902  wrote:
> Thanks for the comments. I agree that we can't be sure that these are just
> animal shelters and so best to tag them as residential until someone can
> check locally.
> I'm tagging the tracks that link the groups of buildings with nearby
> settlements and anything that looks wide enough for a wheeled vehicle and
> ignoring the other paths.
> Also tagging the woodland, since the tracks don't really make sense without
> that context..
> All a bit tricky because of cloud cover!
> Regards
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> On 23/12/2014 02:23, Blake Girardot wrote:
>>
>> I find the whole area to be remarkable and lovely in the aerial imagery.
>>
>> But specifically to althio's question about what makes someone think
>> they are animal tracks: Animal tracks would not have been my first
>> thought either, but once suggested I think some of the paths and
>> tracks in the area started looking a lot like animal tracks to me too.
>>
>> Here is a really nice area right around those settlements that I think
>> is covered in animal paths and tracks:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/4.41335/13.89073 (Mapbox
>> imagery)
>>
>> There are what look like dozens of animal paths coming together to go
>> into the trees on the west side of the area where I am guessing there
>> is a watering hole, in addition to one well worn highway=track (maybe)
>> going NE'ish.
>>
>> And 1.5km ESE of the that watering area are again, what look to me
>> like dozens of animal paths going out to a grazing area. I would guess
>> they are animal tracks because there are so many, jaggy little paths,
>> mostly faint and they seem to just sort of go to nowhere, not crops or
>> anything. But when the animal paths all converge, aside from the
>> general "jaggedness" of the path they make and the nonsense layout,
>> are almost indistinguishable from man made highway=track.
>>
>> It is a really interesting and educational area, thank you again for
>> sharing it.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 9:27 PM, althio forum 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> It is interesting that you call them animal tracks. What are the hints to
>>> take them as such? My first thoughts would have been: those are regular
>>> tracks and paths used by walking humans, maybe animals and sometimes
>>> vehicles.
>>>
>>> In HOT context with remote mapping we are able to identify some
>>> agricultural
>>> fields and tag them as landuse=farmland. When the area is extensive and
>>> we
>>> can spot associated buildings we can occasionally tag the related
>>> buildings
>>> as landuse=farmyard as you suggested.
>>>
>>> At first sight the assembled buildings would be settlements in my mind so
>>> I
>>> would tag landuse=residential. But I am very attentive to anything you
>>> could
>>> add to identify this area as animal tracks and farmyard.
>>>
>>> Is it easily possible to identify pasture/meadow from imagery ? For very
>>> detailed rural mapping we could then tag this as landuse=farmland or even
>>> landuse=meadow.
>>>
>>> althio
>>>
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Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 58, Issue 22 - conseil et son rôle?

[althio forum]

Re: Redirecting to hot-francoph...@openstreetmap.org

Bonjour Sene / maxinha,

Si tu as encore des questions sur HOT, utilise de préférence les listes :
- hot@openstreetmap.org en anglais
- hot-francoph...@openstreetmap.org en français

D'autre part précise bien le sujet de ta demande car ici tu cites 3
messages et tu changes de langue, ce qui n'est pas aisé.

Blake,

Merci pour l'effort de la réponse en français :) , les explications claires
et les liens toujours utiles.

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Re: [HOT] HOT #777 (East Cameroon) feature identification: residential or farmyard?

[althio forum]

Hi

It is interesting that you call them animal tracks. What are the hints to
take them as such? My first thoughts would have been: those are regular
tracks and paths used by walking humans, maybe animals and sometimes
vehicles.

In HOT context with remote mapping we are able to identify some
agricultural fields and tag them as landuse=farmland. When the area is
extensive and we can spot associated buildings we can occasionally tag the
related buildings as landuse=farmyard as you suggested.

At first sight the assembled buildings would be settlements in my mind so I
would tag landuse=residential. But I am very attentive to anything you
could add to identify this area as animal tracks and farmyard.

Is it easily possible to identify pasture/meadow from imagery ? For very
detailed rural mapping we could then tag this as landuse=farmland or even
landuse=meadow.

althio
 Hi,
Please will you take a look at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/4.38567/13.92618.
Given the animal tracks around, it seems possible that these are animal
shelters.
But I wonder if there are also people living here.
If just animal shelters I'm inclined to tag as landuse=farmyard, otherwise
landuse=residential.
What would you advise?
Thanks
Martin

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Re: [HOT] sending thank you notes to remote mappers too spammy?

[althio forum]

Sander Deryckere  wrote:
>
> The general threshold is, if you can do it manually, it's not spamming.
>
> If you can't do it manually, I'd propose to publish the message via many
> channels: the diaries/osm blogs, the weekly OSM, the wiki page, ...

I rather disagree Sander, it is not about manual or automatic only.
Many other factors could hold weight here:
- solicited vs. unsolicited,
- requesting something vs. giving something,
- possibility to opt-in / opt-out, ...

Regardless of 'spam' definition; you could do manually a detrimental
communication and automatically a worthwhile one.


Blake Girardot :
>>
>> I send thank you notes and have had nothing but good responses. I usually
>> include a "let me know if you have any questions" sentence as well.
>>
>> I think people like some personal interaction. If anyone found it "spamy"
>> they never said so to me.

Blake I imagine your thank you note as individual and highly
personalised with dedicated comments, specific feedback and whatnot!
;) What is discussed is certainly on an other scale (more diffusion
and less individualisation).


maning sambale wrote:
>>>
>>> I want to send to thank yous to those who joined the Hagupit/Ruby
>>> activation. Normally we say thanks via our local malinglist and HOT,
>>> would sending them a message via OSM messaging considered spam?

In this case I don't think your messages could be considered spam.

Activation start/end events are quite rare.
This is only a thank you note, not proposing or requesting something else.

Note: But it would be even better if people could easily choose to opt-out.


And now my two cents:
I would say go for short OSM messaging + link to a blog entry. And
mention it for weekly OSM.
No for wiki and lists.
I do not see the wiki as useful here for a temporary and fleeting message.
I would see the use of the mailing lists closer to spam because you
would be flooding, not even trying to discriminate who was part and
who was not. A big general 'thank you' on the lists is nice but much
less considerate than making the effort to hand-pick the actual
contributors.

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Re: [HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #817 - Guinea, Kankan East

[althio forum]

Thank you Pierre for the directions and pictures.

I also wondered if this oval building with green roof (plus the 4-5
surrounding buildings inside the wall) was something more special. It
is rather big, one of the most important place of this village, so
maybe some kind of infrastructure?


> You seem to refer to this oval form object at the center. You see shadow,
> and I would also interpret this as a building (building=yes).

> > Is this something specific to tag or just any building?
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/10.407096/-9.21729

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[HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #817 - Guinea, Kankan East

[althio forum]

Hi all

Is this something specific to tag or just any building?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/10.407096/-9.21729

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[HOT] Requesting rights to tasks.dev.hotosm.org

[althio forum]

I would like to request access to the dev instance at http://tasks.dev
.hotosm.org/ for project editing and creation.

Cheers

althio
@althio @2381194
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Re: [HOT] missing maps.org down?

[althio forum]

> Should be back up shortly.

Indeed, you're back!

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Re: [HOT] Getting Introduced to the OpenStreetMap Community

[althio forum]

Hi HOT and welcome Nikita!

Blake just gave me a nice pointer to you and your internship.
I was giving off some of my thoughts for user interface and wording
for TM2 on 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/484#issuecomment-66126793
and he mentioned you. So thanks Blake!

My ideas on UI are certainly outside the initial scope of your
internship though.
You will be focusing on homepage, search and display as I understand.

Nonetheless I hope you will be able to discuss collaboratively with
the interested individuals on github and other tools (hackpads?) .

I trust that yourself and your mentor will make some pretty
improvements to our beloved Task Manager.

A question to wrap up:
How long is your internship?

All the best,

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Re: [HOT] [Tag] #767 - Mali, Bamako

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Hi Rod, hi HOT,

Thank you Rod for your message. It really helps to know what may exist and
what may not be on the ground.
What I am trying to do here is a 2-step process:
1* feature identification
2* suitable tagging

First the identification...

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Rod Bera  wrote:
>
> I haven't had a look at the area so I can be wrong, but having lived for
> years in Sahelian cities [...]
>

If you could have a look at the area, you might be able to recognize the
feature in a blink? That would be also very useful to me. A bit of
certainty is always welcome.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612159/-7.978204


Now to the tagging.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Rod Bera  wrote:

>  *I would *NOT* use leisure=garden*, as this is all but for leisure.
> In western African cities these garden serve the essential use of feeding
> people. [...]
> they are not into "leisure gardening" this is a serious and for many a
> full-time activity, their jobs.
>

Rod you are opposed to leisure=garden and Pierre is surprised by
landuse=farmland.
There is the mapping project
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_projects> focusing on Food
security:

   - *Food security:* Volunteers are mapping and tagging sources of
   healthy, safe, and nutritious food, including urban gardening resources.
   See the Food security
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security> page
   for ideas.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security#Community_gardens [where
community members can grow their own produce]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security#Urban_farms [where
typically a single grower produces food to sell or distribute to the
community]
>From the Food security mapping project page I got this list of potential
tags.
* leisure=garden + garden:type=community OR (discussion of better proposal?)
 landuse=allotments

> * landuse=farmland + [shop=farm] (if produce is sold onsite)

Rod: I would suggest you could voice your opinion on the discussion page or
edit the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security#Community_gardens>
if you think that 'leisure=garden + garden:type=community' is not a
suitable proposal.

I am specifically asking for expertise here and I would humbly receive any
on-site knowledge. Unfortunately there is only a limited number of
meaningful and established tags in OSM and everyone has to deal with it,
even people involved in mapping for Food security.

For the time being this feature is at least partly identified and is tagged
landuse=farmland.
Maybe landuse=allotments can be considered.

All the best.

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Re: [HOT] [Tag] #767 - Mali, Bamako

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Hi Blake and HOT

Thank you for your insight.
I will try to follow your advice on "make that a proper multi polygon".
I realize 'small gardens' is a bit of a stretch.
These few parcels are less than 100 m x 100 m with crop patches typically
of 10 to 20 m so I thought they might be some kind of collective urban
gardens.

But I don't know how to tag this.
[... search in google ...
found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_gardening ...
... searching in the wiki ...
found http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Food_security#Community_gardens]
OK I have been lazy! ;) That fits quite well:

Community gardens

These are patches of land usually covering one or two city blocks where
community members can grow their own produce on an individual plot.
garden:type

=* is relatively well-used (see taginfo
) and we include it
here to make the garden explicitly a community garden, not simply a garden
that is in a city and might be publicly accessed.

   - leisure =garden
   
   - garden:type
   

   =community
   

   - access =*


So I can leave it as landuse=farmland knowing the small surface speaks for
itself.
Second option is leisure=garden + garden:type=community.

What do you reckon?


Blake Girardot  wrote:
> Oh I don't know. I don't think what I see classifies as "small
> gardens" especially when grouped into contiguous parcels.
>
> Considering how basically well mapped it is, I would just fix up the
> tags and in at least one example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612812/-7.978442 make that a
> proper multi polygon.


You are right that 'farm' is deprecated. And also from the wiki:
landuse =farmland
: for farm land
(i.e. areas used for tillage and pasture; animals, vegetables, flowers,
fruit growing).
landuse =farmyard
: for area with
farm buildings (like farmhouses, dwellings, farmsteads, sheds, stables, barns,
equipment sheds, feed bunkers, etc.)

Knowing that,
I would then use landuse=farmyard for the yard of the bigger farms; this
would be surrounded by big landuse=farmland.
A smaller farm on the contrary would be a building, maybe no real yard and
a landuse=farmland.


Blake Girardot  wrote:
> Personally, I think the distinction between farmyard, farm and
> farmland is difficult, actually, correct me if I am wrong, but I think
> 'farm' is deprecated so only either farmland of farmyard are the
> choices. I go with farmland unless it is a really small homestead type
> ag. which I almost never map so I basically don't use farmyard, only
> farmland. These are right on the edge for me, bigger than small
> backyard garden, smaller than commercial ag. I'd group them as much as
> possible and tag them landuse=farmland.

 wrote:
>> Hi HOT
>>
>> Please have a look at this patchwork of small residential clusters and
>> mix of cultivated gardens, lawns, orchards...
>> This is currently mapped as surrounding landuse=farmland with
>> inclusion of landuse=residential.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612159/-7.978204
>>
>> How would you handle this?
>> My personal opinion is:
>> * These small gardens do not qualify as farmland.
>> * The surrounding should be landuse=residential
>> * Green inclusions as leisure=garden / landuse=orchard
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Re: [HOT] [Tag] landuse=residential in rural and urban areas

[althio forum]

Following the discussion in [HOT] [Tag] #767 - Mali, Bamako
and merging some points here in [HOT] [Tag] landuse=residential in
rural and urban areas

Pierre Béland  wrote:
> In urban areas, we shoud simply have a large polygon
> around the urban area and not cut at each street.
I have seen also that the instructions were updated with "In Bamako,
do not trace small polygons for each section of houses between
streets. A large polygon [covers] the city."
A few comments:
* I think this is a good addition, thank you.
* Minor edit: I guess 's' is missing in cover[s].
* Minor trouble: I could not find the one large polygon that covers the city.

What do we do now with the existing smallish landuse=residential
inside Bamako? Do we leave them? Do we remove them while mapping or
reviewing or do we wait after next-level validation?

Tom Taylor  wrote:
> My own practice for large urban areas (last experience was a Canadian city
> rather than a HOT task) is to carve them up into multiple
> landuse=residential areas, bounding them on roads or other landuse types.
Tom, thank you for your insight, I can see even in Bamako that other
people follow your practice. It can be very nicely done but I find it
hard to get homogeneous mapping and according to the following
statement it seems like extra work but not immediately useful:
Pierre Béland  wrote:
> If you trace a large residential polygon,
> and inside it small polygons for schools, hospitals or any other landuse,
> you do not need to cut everything.
> The Map Renderers should know how to interpret this.

althio

althio wrote:
>
> My previous message leads me to a more generic question.
>
> In http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767 and maybe some other project,
> the instructions reads:
> "Settlements:
> Trace polygon around clusters of houses. Tag with landuse=residential"
>
> I feel these instructions are related to rural areas. They can be
> misunderstood in the context of urban areas. In this project we are
> also mapping inside Bamako, very urban and very dense.
>
> What about urban areas? What is the good pratice, the recommended size
> for landuse=residential in Bamako and other African big cities?
> * Only one huge outline landuse=residential around the whole city
> * By neighborhoods?
> * Cut by main roads (arteries of the city)
> * Block by block
>
> As I map and review I see almost every case.
>
> Has this been discussed or documented already?
>
> althio

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[HOT] [Tag] landuse=residential in rural and urban areas

[althio forum]

My previous message leads me to a more generic question.

In http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767 and maybe some other project,
the instructions reads:
"Settlements:
Trace polygon around clusters of houses. Tag with landuse=residential"

I feel these instructions are related to rural areas. They can be
misunderstood in the context of urban areas. In this project we are
also mapping inside Bamako, very urban and very dense.

What about urban areas? What is the good pratice, the recommended size
for landuse=residential in Bamako and other African big cities?
* Only one huge outline landuse=residential around the whole city
* By neighborhoods?
* Cut by main roads (arteries of the city)
* Block by block

As I map and review I see almost every case.

Has this been discussed or documented already?

althio


On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 3:29 PM, althio forum  wrote:
> Hi HOT
>
> Please have a look at this patchwork of small residential clusters and
> mix of cultivated gardens, lawns, orchards...
> This is currently mapped as surrounding landuse=farmland with
> inclusion of landuse=residential.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612159/-7.978204
>
> How would you handle this?
> My personal opinion is:
> * These small gardens do not qualify as farmland.
> * The surrounding should be landuse=residential
> * Green inclusions as leisure=garden / landuse=orchard

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[HOT] [Tag] #767 - Mali, Bamako

[althio forum]

Hi HOT

Please have a look at this patchwork of small residential clusters and
mix of cultivated gardens, lawns, orchards...
This is currently mapped as surrounding landuse=farmland with
inclusion of landuse=residential.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/12.612159/-7.978204

How would you handle this?
My personal opinion is:
* These small gardens do not qualify as farmland.
* The surrounding should be landuse=residential
* Green inclusions as leisure=garden / landuse=orchard

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[HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #767 - Mali, Bamako

[althio forum]

In the middle of farmland:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/12.454208/-7.976059
What are those circles?

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Re: [HOT] why is the imagery I see going gray?

[althio forum]

It is rather unfornatunate but Daniel is right: starting with zoom 18
a new Bing imagery is loaded.
It is supposedly better all around I guess... but obviously useless in
this area with the cloud cover.

What you are seeing when your double-click (when you zoom in from
level 17 to 18) is a glimpse of the first imagery at same resolution
(not higher-resolution I would say) then after a while (depending on
your download speed) the second imagery is loaded and appears.

A pretty bad hack in JOSM could be to set the maximum temporarily to
17 in the imagery settings
bing[17]:http://www.bing.com/maps/
instead of default
bing[22]:http://www.bing.com/maps/ [and revert when you are done]
You could then zoom in above zoom 18 and the clouded imagery would not
appear. You would be left with initial imagery getting more and more
pixelated as you zoom in.

In any case (iD, JOSM, ...) it seems that Bing at zoom 17 is the best
imagery available in the area and it has to be coped with.

althio


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Daniel Joseph  wrote:
> Hi Ray,
> When editing and zooming in that area, the Bing imagery at the higher zoom
> level is switching to a different acquisition date/time and the imagery for
> higher zoom levels has cloud cover (the gray obscuring the screen). If you
> pan NE to around 12.34869/-9.10189 you'll start to get out of it. I don't
> have any suggestion on how to work around this for the obscured area (but
> maybe someone else does). Sometimes other imagery will work (i.e. Mapbox
> Satellite) but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
> -Dan
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Ray Kiddy  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello -
>>
>> I am trying to do some edits on task # 765. Here I am at the
>> bottom-left of my grid.
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&#map=17/12.34481/-9.10106
>>
>> This all looks cleat to me, but it is a bit small. But when I
>> double-click in one more time, to:
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&#map=18/12.34492/-9.10084
>>
>> then I can briefly see the imagery but then, within a second, it fades
>> to a uniform gray. What is up? The imagery at the higher-resolution
>> obviously exists, because I catch just a glimpse of it, But that is
>> really not enough time to identify anything. I am going to unlock and
>> try again later. Any suggestions?
>>
>> thanx - ray
>>
>> BTW, I am using the iD editor with Firefox 33.0 on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
>>
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Re: [HOT] Is This a Bamako Market?

[althio forum]

Ian, HOT,

12.66866/-7.97638
It does look like cars in a parking lot, good suggestion by Andy. I am
pretty convinced, you can almost see the outline of some windscreens.
You can also see a few cars parked to the east on the other side of
the street along a building at 12.66872/-7.97614

Just to the west there is another space where cars are parked in a
less orderly fashion.
12.66833/-7.97718

althio


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Andy Anderson  wrote:
> Looks like a parking lot to me, filled with cars.
>
> — Andy

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Re: [HOT] Bing imagery offset

[althio forum]

Hi,

Offset is always a pain with different or updated imageries... Or so it
seems.

The new workflow is certainly better and more streamlined in the current
conditions.

A suggestion though regarding imagery/offset instructions:
" Align the WordView-2 imagery on the vector data (and not the contrary).
Using the offset_db plug-in will help you to get offsets points that will
likely almost aligned completely the imagery (having to solve a few meters
offset is easy, where it is several tens, it takes more time to figure out
where this building is supposed to be). "
Since a "rectification process was performed to reduce offset" on
WordView-2 and since any offset from database is outdated in this area:
this imagery/offset instructions could be simplified and reduced to the
first sentence only " Align the WordView-2 imagery on the vector data (and
not the contrary). " (And no offset_db plug-in will help you there...
Unless all old offsets are completely deprecated and new correct ones are
created.)

Also a question regarding process: how difficult or effective would it be
to offset globally all data and align on new Bing imagery instead of
relying on each mapper on his individual tile? Alternatively the other face
of the question is: how easy is it for a regular mapper editing with iD to
do a re-alignment for a lot of existing objects?

althio
On Nov 18, 2014 7:53 PM, "Severin Menard"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just updated the job <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/591> instructions
> as proposed below. SUmmary: first Bing 2013, then WV2 to complete.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes the adjustments for the latest WV2 imagery, put in the offset db,
>> were based on the Bing imagery, supposedly (almost no GPS traces over Juba,
>> unfortunately). BUT Bing updated its imagery over Juba; it is now dated
>> June 23, 2013 and the georeferencing is slightly different, making the
>> previous offset_db points obsolete. Tried to deprecate or delete them, did
>> not get it, if someone knows the tip, I would be interested.
>>
>> Considering the two imagery are now quite close, I would suggest to:
>> - draw first on Bing and consider its georeferecing is good
>> - then display the WV2 imagery, correcting the offset manually (was more
>> complicated with the previous Bing imagery that was quite dark and quite
>> old, what made the offset correction not easy considering the city is
>> growing/evolving fast), and add the missing parts (from the test I made,
>> new buildings here and there and more new buildings in the city limits, as
>> expected).
>>
>> It this makes sense for everyone, I edit the job's instructions
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Sander Deryckere 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The reason for this is because relative offsets are much harder to deal
>>> with than absolute offsets. When the relative positions are correct, you
>>> can still calculate how far things are from each other, how big they are,
>>> ... You don't need the absolute position for it. Even on the field, when
>>> using a GPS, the quality of the GPS position is often so low that you won't
>>> notice an absolute offset.
>>>
>>> To minimise the number of relative differences, it's advised to base
>>> your data on a source that's more or less good in quality, and has a big
>>> coverage. As such, the Bing imagery was chosen as a base (without an offset
>>> applied, as any new mapper would get it in his freshly opened editor).
>>>
>>> When there are better sources available in the future (f.e.
>>> interpolated, high-precision positions), then everything in that region can
>>> be shifted by the then-known Bing offset.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sander
>>>
>>> 2014-11-06 11:55 GMT+01:00 althio forum :
>>>
>>>> Hi HOT
>>>>
>>>> I am on task #591 - South Sudan Crisis, Cholera outbreak in Juba,
>>>> mapping with WorldView-2 imagery.
>>>>
>>>> Instructions includes:
>>>> Check in the vector data is correctly aligned on Bing imagery. Bing
>>>> imagery is the reference for the georeferencing.
>>>>
>>>> My question is about the first step i.e. What is the recommended offset
>>>> for Bing imagery:
>>>>  (a) get from database
>>>>  (b) set to offset: 0.00; 0.00
>>>>  (c) other
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> althio
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Re: [HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #765 - Mali, Kouremale

[althio forum]

I got a confirmation from AndrewBuck that this is certainly a market.
> Is that some sort of very organised market?
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/11.95537/-8.77855

Next one :

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/11.960956/-8.775192
Is this a well?

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[HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #765 - Mali, Kouremale

[althio forum]

Hi all,

My new puzzle:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/11.95537/-8.77855
Is that some sort of very organised market?

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Re: [HOT] Bing imagery offset

[althio forum]

Hi Severin,

To deprecate an offset, did you try:

Menu: Imagery / Get imagery offset...
Window: Imagery Offet Database
Right click on offset / click on Deprecate

Hope this helps.

althio


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>
> Hi,
>
> BUT Bing updated its imagery over Juba; it is now dated June 23, 2013 and the 
> georeferencing is slightly different, making the previous offset_db points 
> obsolete. Tried to deprecate or delete them, did not get it, if someone knows 
> the tip, I would be interested.

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Re: [HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #751 - Beni, DRC/RDC

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Thank you for the input Andy and Andrew, I am quite convinced by
B. bridge old and new
C. marketplace

A is still open.
It seems big for beehives?
If related to the airfield what could it be?

althio


On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Andrew Buck 
wrote:

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> For A)  I am not sure what these are.  The location near the airfield
> makes me think they are related to that but I don't know what they
> would be.
>
> For B)  Your interpretation on the bridge is correct.  We are either
> seeing a bridge under construction or one that has been destroyed with
> a temporary bridge to the left.
>
> For C)  That looks like an amenity=marketplace.  I would draw a
> polygon around the whole block, including both the large building and
> the smaller ones surrounding it.  I think the large building is
> something like a trading center, possibly for stores or an auction
> house for livestock, etc.  The smaller buildings all around are little
> "vendor stalls" that I think people rent on a day by day basis to sell
> their wares.  It makes sense to map the large building as
> building=yes, but I wouldn't bother mapping all the small ones unless
> you really wanted to, they might even move around.
>
> - -AndrewBuck
>
>
>
> On 11/13/2014 08:53 AM, althio forum wrote:
> > The 'unknown feature' is the whole intersection between highway
> > and waterway. At first I could not imagine if it was a bridge, a
> > ford, a dam or whatever.
> >
> > Looking again with your indication I can certainly imagine : * to
> > the left a temporary/old narrow bridge * to the right the
> > foundation for a larger destroyed/future bridge.
> >
> > althio
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Andy Anderson
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> B. What’s the unknown feature here? The concrete embankments to
> >> the right of the bridge? They could be the foundation for an
> >> earlier (and washed away) or yet-to-be constructed bridge, the
> >> road seems fairly wide there.
> >>
> >> — Andy
> >>
> >> On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:06 AM, althio forum
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> B. Intersecting road and river with unknown feature
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/0.52466/29.46750
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #751 - Beni, DRC/RDC

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The 'unknown feature' is the whole intersection between highway and
waterway.
At first I could not imagine if it was a bridge, a ford, a dam or whatever.

Looking again with your indication I can certainly imagine :
* to the left a temporary/old narrow bridge
* to the right the foundation for a larger destroyed/future bridge.

althio


On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Andy Anderson 
wrote:

> B. What’s the unknown feature here? The concrete embankments to the right
> of the bridge? They could be the foundation for an earlier (and washed
> away) or yet-to-be constructed bridge, the road seems fairly wide there.
>
>  — Andy
>
>  On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:06 AM, althio forum  wrote:
>
> B. Intersecting road and river with unknown feature
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/0.52466/29.46750
>
>
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Re: [HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #751 - Beni, DRC/RDC

[althio forum]

and another one, a bigger feature:

C. Big building and very small...
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/0.49437/29.46566
What can this be? Marketplace? School? ...?

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:06 PM, althio forum 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here are a few unusual cases for me:
>
> A. Very organized rows, between airport runway and farmland
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/0.51058/29.47684
>
>
> B. Intersecting road and river with unknown feature
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/0.52466/29.46750
>
> Those are really details, not very important for the considered zone, but
> they still bug me.
>
> althio
>
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[HOT] [Feature Interpretation] #751 - Beni, DRC/RDC

[althio forum]

Hi,

Here are a few unusual cases for me:

A. Very organized rows, between airport runway and farmland
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/0.51058/29.47684


B. Intersecting road and river with unknown feature
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/0.52466/29.46750

Those are really details, not very important for the considered zone, but
they still bug me.

althio
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[HOT] Bing imagery offset

[althio forum]

Hi HOT

I am on task #591 - South Sudan Crisis, Cholera outbreak in Juba, mapping
with WorldView-2 imagery.

Instructions includes:
Check in the vector data is correctly aligned on Bing imagery. Bing imagery
is the reference for the georeferencing.

My question is about the first step i.e. What is the recommended offset for
Bing imagery:
 (a) get from database
 (b) set to offset: 0.00; 0.00
 (c) other

Cheers,

althio
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