Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Jo]

You could also fetch the history of the object with Ctrl-h, then click
through on the changeset and leave a changeset comment.

Jo

2016-04-24 22:24 GMT+02:00 Michael Heißmeier :

> Hi,
>
> today I've been validating a lot on project 1836 and found the quality of
> mapping astonishingly bad. Lots of thiles where the geometry mapped had
> little in common with the geometry in the imagery. Apart from the usual
> tagging errors, overlapping shapes etc.
>
> One reason might be that the instructions are only in English and in these
> projects we might have a lot of contributors who are fluent in Spanish but
> not in English.
>
> I identified those contributors who systematically made errors and
> addressed them directly in my tasking manager comment pointing out how they
> should improve their mapping skills. I did so in both English and Spanish.
> I reworked a tile with a smaller number of buildings and used the url from
> the tasking manager to point them there so that they can see how this
> should be done. Sometimes I include such a url as well when writing through
> the osm message system.
>
> Regards
>
> *Michael (osm:michael63) *
>
>
> john whelan, 2016-04-24 22:04:
>
> Yes but then you need a fair bit of knowledge of JOSM to know that and its
> a lot easier just to put a @ sign with the comment in the tile, then the
> person can see what you're talking about.  A message sent through OSM isn't
> as easy for them to see where the problem was.
>
> I have about four JOSM mappers who aren't terribly experienced but are
> solid enough to do basic validation on other projects and have been doing
> basic validation in Ecuador.  ie validating what the instructions ask for.
> For them @ in the tile after a i to grab the name works well.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Russell Deffner]

One other thing that might suggest the ‘advanced’ way is that we are needing to 
duplicate/translate instructions, guides, wikis, etc. – so, you might want to 
look at their profile and send one or the other of these links versus long 
explanation Ecuador Mapping Guide (English) 
<http://meghastha.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/Ecuador.html>  / Ecuador 
Mapping Guide (E 
<http://meghastha.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/EcuadorSpanish.html> n Español)

 

Just got the translation done, so look for the appropriate guide in further 
project instructions…

=Russ

 

From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 2:05 PM
To: Blake Girardot
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

 

Yes but then you need a fair bit of knowledge of JOSM to know that and its a 
lot easier just to put a @ sign with the comment in the tile, then the person 
can see what you're talking about.  A message sent through OSM isn't as easy 
for them to see where the problem was.

I have about four JOSM mappers who aren't terribly experienced but are solid 
enough to do basic validation on other projects and have been doing basic 
validation in Ecuador.  ie validating what the instructions ask for.  For them 
@ in the tile after a i to grab the name works well.

Cheerio John

 

On 24 April 2016 at 15:40, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi John,

I would humbly disagree. With the "Authors" panel open in JOSM, you
can easily evaluate mapping just done by one person, or check mapping
done by one person. We all know the tasking manager is not great at
keeping track of who mapped in a task square, only who marked it done.

So I still send feedback when doing mass validation (at least when
using josm), it is just based on the author's panel and via OSM,
instead of the tm's  who checked out a task square tracking. Usually,
even if I am just knocking out squares regular validation style, I
still need the author's panel to tell me who to "@" at in the TM.

Cheers
blake



On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 7:36 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in
> Ecuador at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to
> an individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
>> To: Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha
>> Shrestha
>>
>>
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>>
>>
>> Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be
>> happy to contribute on validation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung device
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
>> Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45)
>> To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan'
>> <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi Blake and John,
>>
>> I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office
>> (tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have
>> some staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to
>> lose them, so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified
>> who, we can assign whats...
>> =Russ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
>> To: John Whelan
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
>> networks correct is pretty vital.
>>
>> Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
>> Manager to do large scale road network validation?
>>
>> The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:
>>
>> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/
>>
>> Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
>> problems that affect routing.
>>
>> Are there other tools t

Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Blake Girardot]

Hi John,

I would humbly disagree. With the "Authors" panel open in JOSM, you
can easily evaluate mapping just done by one person, or check mapping
done by one person. We all know the tasking manager is not great at
keeping track of who mapped in a task square, only who marked it done.

So I still send feedback when doing mass validation (at least when
using josm), it is just based on the author's panel and via OSM,
instead of the tm's  who checked out a task square tracking. Usually,
even if I am just knocking out squares regular validation style, I
still need the author's panel to tell me who to "@" at in the TM.

Cheers
blake



On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 7:36 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in
> Ecuador at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to
> an individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
>> To: Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha
>> Shrestha
>>
>>
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>>
>>
>> Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be
>> happy to contribute on validation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung device
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message 
>> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
>> Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45)
>> To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan'
>> <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi Blake and John,
>>
>> I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office
>> (tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have
>> some staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to
>> lose them, so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified
>> who, we can assign whats...
>> =Russ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
>> To: John Whelan
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
>> networks correct is pretty vital.
>>
>> Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
>> Manager to do large scale road network validation?
>>
>> The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:
>>
>> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/
>>
>> Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
>> problems that affect routing.
>>
>> Are there other tools that would help with this?
>>
>> Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected
>> properly?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>> 
>> Blake Girardot
>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
>> skype: jblakegirardot
>> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>> >
>> > Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways
>> > almost
>> > meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for
>> > experienced
>> > JOSM users.
>> >
>> > JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>> >
>> > I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
>> > thought has been given to the matter?
>> >
>> > Thanks John
>> >
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[hyan...@gmail.com]

Thanks Autre,

Tomnod shapefiles has been used for pre-post event imagery and projects
selection.

Awaiting for next release.

Thanks,

Humberto Yances

2016-04-24 13:49 GMT-05:00 Autre Planete <autreplan...@gmail.com>:

> Greets Everyone on HOTOSM !
>
>
> Am not a trained professional in this field.
> Am just  marking all the damage on Tomnod .
>
> My heart is really saddened at all the damages buildings etc.
> I do *appreciate and  respect all that you are all doing.*
> Hope it's okay to write these words of appreciation
>
> Cheers:)
> Autre
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Russell Deffner <
> russell.deff...@hotosm.org> wrote:
>
>> Of course! However, sometime in the last 24 hours we passed the 2 million
>> map changes point – and 1800+ mappers, and giving individual feedback is
>> one grand challenge – getting that data in a ‘very useful’ state is another.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll just quickly plug that the name of our Validation Activator role
>> course is “HOT Validation: Fixing the data and Mappers
>> <http://courses.hotosm.org/course/view.php?id=11>”
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, we’ve been at it over a week now; make sure to take breaks and if
>> you need ‘back-up’, let us know.
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* hyan...@gmail.com [mailto:hyan...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:57 AM
>> *To:* john whelan
>> *Cc:* HOT
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I feel you are right with your point to coaching mappers, a way to do
>> this is through comments in the task.  For lucky or common practice, must
>> of Mapathons has been carry out with students.   I will share with Telegram
>> chats about this idea to do the following.
>>
>> Principal validations focus is on the ways and his state.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Humberto Yances
>>
>> El abr. 24, 2016 12:38 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> escribió:
>>
>> I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in
>> Ecuador at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to
>> an individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
>> *To:* Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha
>> Shrestha
>>
>>
>> *Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>>
>>
>> Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be
>> happy to contribute on validation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung device
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
>> Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45)
>> To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan' <
>> jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi Blake and John,
>>
>> I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office
>> (tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have
>> some staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to
>> lose them, so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified
>> who, we can assign whats...
>> =Russ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org
>> <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
>> To: John Whelan
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
>> networks correct is pretty vital.
>>
>> Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
>> Manager to do large scale road network validation?
>>
>> The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:
>>
>> http://tools.geofabrik.de

Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Russell Deffner]

Thank you Autre!

 

Not many of us are :) and the vast, vast, vast majority of the mappers are just 
doing this volunteer-wise.  If you want to ‘take the leap’, the best place for 
a ‘self-starter’ is http://learnosm.org – or if you want to ‘jump-in a little 
quicker’ http://mapgive.state.gov/ 

 

Happy Mapping or ‘Nod-ing’ if that’s what you call it (and there’s people on 
this list doing a ton of other things related to this response, so Thank You 
Everyone!

=Russ

 

From: Autre Planete [mailto:autreplan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 12:49 PM
To: Russell Deffner
Cc: Humberto Yances; john whelan; HOT
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

 

Greets Everyone on HOTOSM !



Am not a trained professional in this field.

Am just  marking all the damage on Tomnod .

My heart is really saddened at all the damages buildings etc.

I do appreciate and  respect all that you are all doing.

Hope it's okay to write these words of appreciation

Cheers:)

Autre

 

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> 
wrote:

Of course! However, sometime in the last 24 hours we passed the 2 million map 
changes point – and 1800+ mappers, and giving individual feedback is one grand 
challenge – getting that data in a ‘very useful’ state is another.

 

I’ll just quickly plug that the name of our Validation Activator role course is 
“HOT Validation: Fixing the data and Mappers 
<http://courses.hotosm.org/course/view.php?id=11> ”

 

Also, we’ve been at it over a week now; make sure to take breaks and if you 
need ‘back-up’, let us know.

=Russ

 

From: hyan...@gmail.com [mailto:hyan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:57 AM
To: john whelan
Cc: HOT


Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

 

John, 

I feel you are right with your point to coaching mappers, a way to do this is 
through comments in the task.  For lucky or common practice, must of Mapathons 
has been carry out with students.   I will share with Telegram chats about this 
idea to do the following. 

Principal validations focus is on the ways and his state. 

Thanks, 

Humberto Yances 

El abr. 24, 2016 12:38 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> escribió:

I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in Ecuador 
at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to an 
individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.

Cheerio John

 

On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> wrote:

Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)

=Russ

 

From: nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
To: Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha Shrestha


Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

 

Hi Russell,

 

Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be happy 
to contribute on validation.

 

Nama

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung device



 Original message 
From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> 
Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45) 
To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan' 
<jwhelan0...@gmail.com> 
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation 

Hi Blake and John,

I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office 
(tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have some 
staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to lose them, 
so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified who, we can 
assign whats...
=Russ

-Original Message-
From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
To: John Whelan
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

Hi John,

Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
networks correct is pretty vital.

Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
Manager to do large scale road network validation?

The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
problems that affect routing.

Are there other tools that would help with this?

Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected properly?

Cheers,
Blake


Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project tha

Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Autre Planete]

Greets Everyone on HOTOSM !


Am not a trained professional in this field.
Am just  marking all the damage on Tomnod .

My heart is really saddened at all the damages buildings etc.
I do *appreciate and  respect all that you are all doing.*
Hope it's okay to write these words of appreciation

Cheers:)
Autre

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Russell Deffner <
russell.deff...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Of course! However, sometime in the last 24 hours we passed the 2 million
> map changes point – and 1800+ mappers, and giving individual feedback is
> one grand challenge – getting that data in a ‘very useful’ state is another.
>
>
>
> I’ll just quickly plug that the name of our Validation Activator role
> course is “HOT Validation: Fixing the data and Mappers
> <http://courses.hotosm.org/course/view.php?id=11>”
>
>
>
> Also, we’ve been at it over a week now; make sure to take breaks and if
> you need ‘back-up’, let us know.
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> *From:* hyan...@gmail.com [mailto:hyan...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* john whelan
> *Cc:* HOT
>
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I feel you are right with your point to coaching mappers, a way to do this
> is through comments in the task.  For lucky or common practice, must of
> Mapathons has been carry out with students.   I will share with Telegram
> chats about this idea to do the following.
>
> Principal validations focus is on the ways and his state.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Humberto Yances
>
> El abr. 24, 2016 12:38 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in
> Ecuador at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to
> an individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
> On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> *From:* nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
> *To:* Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha
> Shrestha
>
>
> *Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>
>
>
> Hi Russell,
>
>
>
> Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be
> happy to contribute on validation.
>
>
>
> Nama
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
> Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45)
> To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan' <
> jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>
> Hi Blake and John,
>
> I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office
> (tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have
> some staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to
> lose them, so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified
> who, we can assign whats...
> =Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org
> <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>]
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: John Whelan
> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>
> Hi John,
>
> Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
> networks correct is pretty vital.
>
> Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
> Manager to do large scale road network validation?
>
> The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:
>
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/
>
> Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
> problems that affect routing.
>
> Are there other tools that would help with this?
>
> Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected
> properly?
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
> 
> Blake Girardot
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
> skype: jblakegirardot
> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
> >
> > Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> &g

Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Russell Deffner]

Of course! However, sometime in the last 24 hours we passed the 2 million map 
changes point – and 1800+ mappers, and giving individual feedback is one grand 
challenge – getting that data in a ‘very useful’ state is another.

 

I’ll just quickly plug that the name of our Validation Activator role course is 
“HOT Validation: Fixing the data and Mappers 
<http://courses.hotosm.org/course/view.php?id=11> ”

 

Also, we’ve been at it over a week now; make sure to take breaks and if you 
need ‘back-up’, let us know.

=Russ

 

From: hyan...@gmail.com [mailto:hyan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:57 AM
To: john whelan
Cc: HOT
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

 

John, 

I feel you are right with your point to coaching mappers, a way to do this is 
through comments in the task.  For lucky or common practice, must of Mapathons 
has been carry out with students.   I will share with Telegram chats about this 
idea to do the following. 

Principal validations focus is on the ways and his state. 

Thanks, 

Humberto Yances 

El abr. 24, 2016 12:38 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> escribió:

I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in Ecuador 
at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to an 
individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.

Cheerio John

 

On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> wrote:

Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)

=Russ

 

From: nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
To: Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha Shrestha


Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

 

Hi Russell,

 

Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be happy 
to contribute on validation.

 

Nama

 

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> 
Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45) 
To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan' 
<jwhelan0...@gmail.com> 
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation 

Hi Blake and John,

I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office 
(tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have some 
staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to lose them, 
so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified who, we can 
assign whats...
=Russ

-Original Message-
From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
To: John Whelan
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

Hi John,

Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
networks correct is pretty vital.

Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
Manager to do large scale road network validation?

The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
problems that affect routing.

Are there other tools that would help with this?

Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected properly?

Cheers,
Blake


Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
> JOSM users.
>
> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>
> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> thought has been given to the matter?
>
> Thanks John
>
> ___
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Pierre GIRAUD]

Hi John,

I agree with you.
Messages sent to users may be invisible or seen too late.

I intend to add an "alert" like message to notify the user as soon as
possible when he/she gets a new message. This way the beginner users
would get notified almost immediately after an invalidation of their
work.

Pierre

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 7:36 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in
> Ecuador at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to
> an individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)
>>
>> =Russ
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
>> To: Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha
>> Shrestha
>>
>>
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>>
>>
>> Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be
>> happy to contribute on validation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung device
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Original message 
>> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
>> Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45)
>> To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan'
>> <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi Blake and John,
>>
>> I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office
>> (tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have
>> some staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to
>> lose them, so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified
>> who, we can assign whats...
>> =Russ
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
>> To: John Whelan
>> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
>> networks correct is pretty vital.
>>
>> Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
>> Manager to do large scale road network validation?
>>
>> The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:
>>
>> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/
>>
>> Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
>> problems that affect routing.
>>
>> Are there other tools that would help with this?
>>
>> Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected
>> properly?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>> 
>> Blake Girardot
>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
>> skype: jblakegirardot
>> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>> >
>> > Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways
>> > almost
>> > meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for
>> > experienced
>> > JOSM users.
>> >
>> > JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>> >
>> > I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
>> > thought has been given to the matter?
>> >
>> > Thanks John
>> >
>> > ___
>> > HOT mailing list
>> > HOT@openstreetmap.org
>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >
>>
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>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[john whelan]

I think whilst mass validation can be appropiate sometimes such as in
Ecuador at the moment I think what we lose from it is immediate feedback to
an individual mapper which I think means less clean up to do afterwards.

Cheerio John

On 24 April 2016 at 12:09, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
wrote:

> Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> *From:* nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
> *To:* Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha
> Shrestha
>
> *Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>
>
>
> Hi Russell,
>
>
>
> Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be
> happy to contribute on validation.
>
>
>
> Nama
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
> Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45)
> To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan' <
> jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>
> Hi Blake and John,
>
> I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office
> (tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have
> some staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to
> lose them, so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified
> who, we can assign whats...
> =Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org
> <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>]
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: John Whelan
> Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation
>
> Hi John,
>
> Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
> networks correct is pretty vital.
>
> Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
> Manager to do large scale road network validation?
>
> The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:
>
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/
>
> Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
> problems that affect routing.
>
> Are there other tools that would help with this?
>
> Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected
> properly?
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
> 
> Blake Girardot
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
> skype: jblakegirardot
> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
> >
> > Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> > meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for
> experienced
> > JOSM users.
> >
> > JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
> >
> > I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> > thought has been given to the matter?
> >
> > Thanks John
> >
> > ___
> > HOT mailing list
> > HOT@openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Russell Deffner]

Thanks Nama, just trying to herd :)

=Russ

 

From: nama.budhathoki [mailto:namabudhath...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:06 AM
To: Russell Deffner; 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM'; 'John Whelan'; Megha Shrestha
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

 

Hi Russell,

 

Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be happy 
to contribute on validation.

 

Nama

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung device



 Original message 
From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> 
Date: 24/04/2016 20:40 (GMT+05:45) 
To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan' 
<jwhelan0...@gmail.com> 
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation 

Hi Blake and John,

I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office 
(tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have some 
staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to lose them, 
so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified who, we can 
assign whats...
=Russ

-Original Message-
From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
To: John Whelan
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

Hi John,

Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
networks correct is pretty vital.

Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
Manager to do large scale road network validation?

The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
problems that affect routing.

Are there other tools that would help with this?

Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected properly?

Cheers,
Blake


Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
> JOSM users.
>
> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>
> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> thought has been given to the matter?
>
> Thanks John
>
> ___
> HOT mailing list
> HOT@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[nama.budhathoki]

Hi Russell,
Megha and couple of others from KLL are already in Trello. They will be happy 
to contribute on validation.
Nama


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> 
Date: 24/04/2016  20:40  (GMT+05:45) 
To: 'Blake Girardot HOT/OSM' <blake.girar...@hotosm.org>, 'John Whelan' 
<jwhelan0...@gmail.com> 
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation 

Hi Blake and John,

I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office 
(tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have some 
staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to lose them, 
so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified who, we can 
assign whats...
=Russ

-Original Message-
From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
To: John Whelan
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

Hi John,

Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
networks correct is pretty vital.

Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
Manager to do large scale road network validation?

The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
problems that affect routing.

Are there other tools that would help with this?

Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected properly?

Cheers,
Blake


Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
> JOSM users.
>
> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>
> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> thought has been given to the matter?
>
> Thanks John
>
> ___
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Russell Deffner]

John, on this note, 

For road networks and rivers its actually a lot better as some mappers only map 
to the edge of the tile and the next mapper doesn't realise its important.

We actually added a feature to the TM to create ‘tiles’ with ‘complex 
geometries’ for projects that don’t ‘fit in a square’; it just obviously take 
more effort to create those.  However, for basemapping it is often easier to 
use squares and just ask for several things.  However, I generally tell Project 
Managers that ‘natural features’ should not be asked for since they often don’t 
fit the squares and in this case I think it’s more ‘waterways were not 
requested’, so that’s why you often only get little segments of things. 

 

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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[john whelan]

I've used the mass validation technique before and you can pick up a fair
chunk of stuff doing it plus it's faster than going through the tiles to
validate.  For road networks and rivers its actually a lot better as some
mappers only map to the edge of the tile and the next mapper doesn't
realise its important.

Cheerio John

On 24 April 2016 at 11:15, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Really helpful insight on what is contributing to the issues, the
> imagery change, we need to look at how to minimize that through better
> instructions as well as validation folks need to be aware they should
> be using all the available imagery when working.
>
> Mass validation outside of the TM as a process is not affected by
> imagery, I would load up all the imagery layers while working on it.
> We are always validating the data and trying to figure out what
> imagery was used when it was mapped is always part of that process.
>
> The imagery should not really affect things like common road network
> problems.
>
> Really mass validation is no different than any other validation, just
> doing much larger areas at once, perhaps doing it step wise (roads
> first, buildings second, etc) and maybe bringing other tools
> potentially to the process.
>
>
> cheers
> blake
> 
> Blake Girardot
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
> skype: jblakegirardot
> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Mike  Dupont
>  wrote:
> > the validation problems that I have seen are with changes between
> versions
> > of imagery. It might be good against bing but not against the last images
> > post event. No automated process will pick that up.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Humberto and John,
> >>
> >> I really encourage you to look at ways of doing large scale validations.
> >>
> >> One way I have done it in the past is to download the tasking manager
> >> either project area, or even the individual task square outlines and
> >> load them up in JOSM, then just do large scale validation of the area
> >> using the task outlines as a guide.
> >>
> >> If it is my project, and it is archived, I won't bother to mark the
> >> task squares as validated individually, I just validate the whole AoI.
> >> If I was better at things, I would actually put in a note in the
> >> instructions, even on the archived project that says it was 100%
> >> validated outside of the TM.
> >>
> >> (allowing validators to mark mass task squares as validated would be
> >> an improvement to the TM. Would be nice to checkout mass task squares
> >> too for the most experienced validators and project managers to work
> >> on)
> >>
> >> If it is not my project, I will mass validate 5 or 10 task squares at
> >> a time, then just go into the project and review, mark valid, review,
> >> mark valid, etc all the task squares I validated en mass with JOSM.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> blake
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> Blake Girardot
> >> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> >> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
> >> skype: jblakegirardot
> >> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:01 PM, hyan...@gmail.com 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hello John,
> >> >
> >> > 2016-04-24 8:51 GMT-05:00 John Whelan :
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > A team of validators will start with this ones from tomorrow, with the
> >> > objective to review and validate all this squares.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways
> >> >> almost
> >> >> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for
> >> >> experienced
> >> >> JOSM users.
> >> >>
> >> > Yes, I'm seen task marks as done with any update too.  Thanks for your
> >> > validations.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before
> uploading.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume
> >> >> some
> >> >> thought has been given to the matter?
> >> >>
> >> > Yes, as I mention before, a group of validators start from tomorrow,
> >> > thanks
> >> > for your welcome comments.
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Mike Dupont]

the validation problems that I have seen are with changes between versions
of imagery. It might be good against bing but not against the last images
post event. No automated process will pick that up.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Hi Humberto and John,
>
> I really encourage you to look at ways of doing large scale validations.
>
> One way I have done it in the past is to download the tasking manager
> either project area, or even the individual task square outlines and
> load them up in JOSM, then just do large scale validation of the area
> using the task outlines as a guide.
>
> If it is my project, and it is archived, I won't bother to mark the
> task squares as validated individually, I just validate the whole AoI.
> If I was better at things, I would actually put in a note in the
> instructions, even on the archived project that says it was 100%
> validated outside of the TM.
>
> (allowing validators to mark mass task squares as validated would be
> an improvement to the TM. Would be nice to checkout mass task squares
> too for the most experienced validators and project managers to work
> on)
>
> If it is not my project, I will mass validate 5 or 10 task squares at
> a time, then just go into the project and review, mark valid, review,
> mark valid, etc all the task squares I validated en mass with JOSM.
>
> Cheers,
> blake
>
>
> 
> Blake Girardot
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
> skype: jblakegirardot
> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:01 PM, hyan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> > Hello John,
> >
> > 2016-04-24 8:51 GMT-05:00 John Whelan :
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
> >>
> >
> > A team of validators will start with this ones from tomorrow, with the
> > objective to review and validate all this squares.
> >
> >>
> >> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways
> almost
> >> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for
> experienced
> >> JOSM users.
> >>
> > Yes, I'm seen task marks as done with any update too.  Thanks for your
> > validations.
> >
> >>
> >> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
> >
> >
> > Yes...
> >>
> >>
> >> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> >> thought has been given to the matter?
> >>
> > Yes, as I mention before, a group of validators start from tomorrow,
> thanks
> > for your welcome comments.
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks John
> >>
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> >
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Mike Dupont]

I am busy invalidating the tiles. the new imagery shows many changes to
bing. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1832#task/21 the offsets are off.
buildings are missing.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 1:51 PM, John Whelan  wrote:

>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
> JOSM users.
>
> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>
> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> thought has been given to the matter?
>
> Thanks John
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Mike,

Really helpful insight on what is contributing to the issues, the
imagery change, we need to look at how to minimize that through better
instructions as well as validation folks need to be aware they should
be using all the available imagery when working.

Mass validation outside of the TM as a process is not affected by
imagery, I would load up all the imagery layers while working on it.
We are always validating the data and trying to figure out what
imagery was used when it was mapped is always part of that process.

The imagery should not really affect things like common road network problems.

Really mass validation is no different than any other validation, just
doing much larger areas at once, perhaps doing it step wise (roads
first, buildings second, etc) and maybe bringing other tools
potentially to the process.


cheers
blake

Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Mike  Dupont
 wrote:
> the validation problems that I have seen are with changes between versions
> of imagery. It might be good against bing but not against the last images
> post event. No automated process will pick that up.
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Humberto and John,
>>
>> I really encourage you to look at ways of doing large scale validations.
>>
>> One way I have done it in the past is to download the tasking manager
>> either project area, or even the individual task square outlines and
>> load them up in JOSM, then just do large scale validation of the area
>> using the task outlines as a guide.
>>
>> If it is my project, and it is archived, I won't bother to mark the
>> task squares as validated individually, I just validate the whole AoI.
>> If I was better at things, I would actually put in a note in the
>> instructions, even on the archived project that says it was 100%
>> validated outside of the TM.
>>
>> (allowing validators to mark mass task squares as validated would be
>> an improvement to the TM. Would be nice to checkout mass task squares
>> too for the most experienced validators and project managers to work
>> on)
>>
>> If it is not my project, I will mass validate 5 or 10 task squares at
>> a time, then just go into the project and review, mark valid, review,
>> mark valid, etc all the task squares I validated en mass with JOSM.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> blake
>>
>>
>> 
>> Blake Girardot
>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>> Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
>> skype: jblakegirardot
>> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:01 PM, hyan...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello John,
>> >
>> > 2016-04-24 8:51 GMT-05:00 John Whelan :
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>> >>
>> >
>> > A team of validators will start with this ones from tomorrow, with the
>> > objective to review and validate all this squares.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways
>> >> almost
>> >> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for
>> >> experienced
>> >> JOSM users.
>> >>
>> > Yes, I'm seen task marks as done with any update too.  Thanks for your
>> > validations.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume
>> >> some
>> >> thought has been given to the matter?
>> >>
>> > Yes, as I mention before, a group of validators start from tomorrow,
>> > thanks
>> > for your welcome comments.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Thanks John
>> >>
>> >> ___
>> >> HOT mailing list
>> >> HOT@openstreetmap.org
>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>> > HOT@openstreetmap.org
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>> >
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>
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Russell Deffner]

Hi Blake and John,

I'll add to Humberto, we'll have a few staff in the HOT Indonesia office 
(tonight/their morning).  We also have a standing offer from KLL to have some 
staffers focus on validation. These are great ideas, I don't want to lose them, 
so can we get them onto the Trello? Then once we've identified who, we can 
assign whats...
=Russ

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From: Blake Girardot HOT/OSM [mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:46 AM
To: John Whelan
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

Hi John,

Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
networks correct is pretty vital.

Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
Manager to do large scale road network validation?

The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
problems that affect routing.

Are there other tools that would help with this?

Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected properly?

Cheers,
Blake


Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
> JOSM users.
>
> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>
> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> thought has been given to the matter?
>
> Thanks John
>
> ___
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Humberto and John,

I really encourage you to look at ways of doing large scale validations.

One way I have done it in the past is to download the tasking manager
either project area, or even the individual task square outlines and
load them up in JOSM, then just do large scale validation of the area
using the task outlines as a guide.

If it is my project, and it is archived, I won't bother to mark the
task squares as validated individually, I just validate the whole AoI.
If I was better at things, I would actually put in a note in the
instructions, even on the archived project that says it was 100%
validated outside of the TM.

(allowing validators to mark mass task squares as validated would be
an improvement to the TM. Would be nice to checkout mass task squares
too for the most experienced validators and project managers to work
on)

If it is not my project, I will mass validate 5 or 10 task squares at
a time, then just go into the project and review, mark valid, review,
mark valid, etc all the task squares I validated en mass with JOSM.

Cheers,
blake



Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:01 PM, hyan...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> 2016-04-24 8:51 GMT-05:00 John Whelan :
>>
>>
>> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>>
>
> A team of validators will start with this ones from tomorrow, with the
> objective to review and validate all this squares.
>
>>
>> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
>> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
>> JOSM users.
>>
> Yes, I'm seen task marks as done with any update too.  Thanks for your
> validations.
>
>>
>> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>
>
> Yes...
>>
>>
>> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
>> thought has been given to the matter?
>>
> Yes, as I mention before, a group of validators start from tomorrow, thanks
> for your welcome comments.
>
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>> ___
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>
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi John,

Given that we are spending a lot of times on roads, getting road
networks correct is pretty vital.

Has anyone looked at using existing OSM tools, outside of the Tasking
Manager to do large scale road network validation?

The one that comes to mind is GeoFabrik's OSM Inspector:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

Which even has a 'routing' selection in the pop down to focus on
problems that affect routing.

Are there other tools that would help with this?

Could we map roulette getting roads that end near each other connected properly?

Cheers,
Blake


Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Vice President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:51 PM, John Whelan  wrote:
>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
> JOSM users.
>
> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>
> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> thought has been given to the matter?
>
> Thanks John
>
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Re: [HOT] Mapping in Ecuador - validation

[hyan...@gmail.com]

Hello John,

2016-04-24 8:51 GMT-05:00 John Whelan :

>
> I'm seeing projects archived fairly quickly without validation.
>
>
A team of validators will start with this ones from tomorrow, with the
objective to review and validate all this squares.


> Of the validation I have done I've seen crossing ways and highways almost
> meeting on a project that was supposed to be Highways only for experienced
> JOSM users.
>
> Yes, I'm seen task marks as done with any update too.  Thanks for your
validations.


> JOSM validation should have highlighted these errors before uploading.
>

Yes...

>
> I won't bother to mention the other problems I've seen but I assume some
> thought has been given to the matter?
>
> Yes, as I mention before, a group of validators start from tomorrow,
thanks for your welcome comments.


> Thanks John
>
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