Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Jason Dodd]

The more I think about this, this more it reminds me of a tech upgrade
Stephen Hawking get a couple years ago. There were lots of good upgrades he
didn't upgrade is voice, not all that different from the hpr 'voice'. He
didn't change it because it had become his voice.

Nevertheless, I don't come for the intro or reading of the summary.  I come
for the show. If it's changed and I don't have to make the change, I'll be
alright.

Now that I think about it, if the intro, outro, announcements, show
summary, pitches for other shows, and thanks for hosting were all put at
the end of the show, I could get more show in :)

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Mike Ray  wrote:

>
> While I always get very uptight about people criticising eSpeak, which
> is, IMHO, one of the most wonderful pieces of open source ever, and has,
> without doubt, done more for blind computer users throughout the globe
> than almost anything else, I know that it is not as understandable in
> some languages as it is in English.  But we only use it in English.
>
> If you think eSpeak is bad, jump in your time machine and listen to the
> voices we had to use thirty years or so ago.  In the days of DOS,
> Dolphin Orpheus was pretty much all there was and that was awful.
>
> There is bound to be some Dolphin Orpheus on youtube somewhere.
>
> But, having said that, Dolphin Orpheus still allowed blind people to do
> a lot of good work and to learn how to use a PC.
>
> If you listen to eSpeak for long enough, for example as a blind computer
> user, you just concentrate on the work, not on the voice.  A bit like
> not caring about your wallpaper while you're actually working.
>
> eSpeak also has a very small code footprint.  It runs comfortably on an
> old Raspberry Pi with only 256MB of RAM, where others won't.
>
> But...svox pico is nice, at least in English.  It has rubbish language
> support, I think it only works in English and French.  And I am not sure
> if it has a batch mode which allows automation of the conversion of a
> fragment of text into an audio file.
>
> I don't use svox pico on my PCs though, because...it is much bigger than
> eSpeak, so won't run comfortably at a very fast rate.
>
> Pretty much anything else costs money.
>
>
> On 02/09/2018 11:47, Nigel Verity wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > My only gripe is with the electronic voice. A point I raised on an
> earlier thread a few months back is that we have a lot of listeners to whom
> English is a second language. Espeak does not lend itself to clear
> unambiguous diction. I could just about get value from a podcast in German
> but I'm certain I'd struggle to understand an intro in German using Espeak.
> >
> > I'd prefer a gentle and clear human voice. The voice which appears in
> the outro would be perfect, but I do appreciate it is a bit of an
> imposition on somebody to take the upcoming episode schedules and
> record/edit all the snippets. I'd volunteer to do it but anybody who has
> heard my few episodes would know my voice is just not the one for the job.
> >
> > Beeza
> > 
> > From: Hpr  on behalf of Ken Fallon <
> k...@fallon.ie>ly
> > Sent: 01 September 2018 21:03
> > To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org
> > Subject: [Hpr] HPR Branding
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Following a discussion on the Community News,
> > ( https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Feps.php%3Fid%3D2631&data=02%7C01%7C%
> 7Cb3f714638bc845dd706708d61046299c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435
> %7C1%7C0%7C636714290864602407&sdata=EdVu7%2B%2BIv7uDAdT%
> 2BmlEOHRXiVjIx4LBdu2o7%2BCSDY4E%3D&reserved=0 )
> >
> > I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on "Give
> > Shows > Theme"
> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Ftheme.php&data=02%7C01%7C%
> 7Cb3f714638bc845dd706708d61046299c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435
> %7C1%7C0%7C636714290864602407&sdata=wpKLCeY6vYeYqnGnN03AnnF6Z69GqB
> kHle4cq2%2BZyw0%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good to
> > revisit it again.
> >
> > Currently the branding is as follows
> >
> > 1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
> > entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"
> >
> > 2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)
> >
> > 3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)
> >
> > 4. The Show
> >
> > 5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)
> >
> > We would like your input on what if anything should change.
> >
> > Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?
> >
> > Do we continue to 2. Thanking our Hosting provider ? Should we remove it
> > or put it in the outro ?
> >
> > Should we refresh the 3. HPR Introduction Music ? Make it shorter ?
> >
> > Should the 5. HPR Outro Music text be changed ?
> >
> > Any other changes ?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ken Fallon
> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fkenfal

Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Mike Ray]

While I always get very uptight about people criticising eSpeak, which
is, IMHO, one of the most wonderful pieces of open source ever, and has,
without doubt, done more for blind computer users throughout the globe
than almost anything else, I know that it is not as understandable in
some languages as it is in English.  But we only use it in English.

If you think eSpeak is bad, jump in your time machine and listen to the
voices we had to use thirty years or so ago.  In the days of DOS,
Dolphin Orpheus was pretty much all there was and that was awful.

There is bound to be some Dolphin Orpheus on youtube somewhere.

But, having said that, Dolphin Orpheus still allowed blind people to do
a lot of good work and to learn how to use a PC.

If you listen to eSpeak for long enough, for example as a blind computer
user, you just concentrate on the work, not on the voice.  A bit like
not caring about your wallpaper while you're actually working.

eSpeak also has a very small code footprint.  It runs comfortably on an
old Raspberry Pi with only 256MB of RAM, where others won't.

But...svox pico is nice, at least in English.  It has rubbish language
support, I think it only works in English and French.  And I am not sure
if it has a batch mode which allows automation of the conversion of a
fragment of text into an audio file.

I don't use svox pico on my PCs though, because...it is much bigger than
eSpeak, so won't run comfortably at a very fast rate.

Pretty much anything else costs money.


On 02/09/2018 11:47, Nigel Verity wrote:
> Hi
> 
> My only gripe is with the electronic voice. A point I raised on an earlier 
> thread a few months back is that we have a lot of listeners to whom English 
> is a second language. Espeak does not lend itself to clear unambiguous 
> diction. I could just about get value from a podcast in German but I'm 
> certain I'd struggle to understand an intro in German using Espeak.
> 
> I'd prefer a gentle and clear human voice. The voice which appears in the 
> outro would be perfect, but I do appreciate it is a bit of an imposition on 
> somebody to take the upcoming episode schedules and record/edit all the 
> snippets. I'd volunteer to do it but anybody who has heard my few episodes 
> would know my voice is just not the one for the job.
> 
> Beeza
> 
> From: Hpr  on behalf of Ken Fallon 
> ly
> Sent: 01 September 2018 21:03
> To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org
> Subject: [Hpr] HPR Branding
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Following a discussion on the Community News,
> ( 
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Feps.php%3Fid%3D2631&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb3f714638bc845dd706708d61046299c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636714290864602407&sdata=EdVu7%2B%2BIv7uDAdT%2BmlEOHRXiVjIx4LBdu2o7%2BCSDY4E%3D&reserved=0
>  )
> 
> I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on "Give
> Shows > Theme"
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Ftheme.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb3f714638bc845dd706708d61046299c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636714290864602407&sdata=wpKLCeY6vYeYqnGnN03AnnF6Z69GqBkHle4cq2%2BZyw0%3D&reserved=0
> 
> It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good to
> revisit it again.
> 
> Currently the branding is as follows
> 
> 1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
> entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"
> 
> 2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)
> 
> 3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)
> 
> 4. The Show
> 
> 5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)
> 
> We would like your input on what if anything should change.
> 
> Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?
> 
> Do we continue to 2. Thanking our Hosting provider ? Should we remove it
> or put it in the outro ?
> 
> Should we refresh the 3. HPR Introduction Music ? Make it shorter ?
> 
> Should the 5. HPR Outro Music text be changed ?
> 
> Any other changes ?
> 
> 
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Ken Fallon
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> 
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Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Nigel Verity]

Hi

My only gripe is with the electronic voice. A point I raised on an earlier 
thread a few months back is that we have a lot of listeners to whom English is 
a second language. Espeak does not lend itself to clear unambiguous diction. I 
could just about get value from a podcast in German but I'm certain I'd 
struggle to understand an intro in German using Espeak.

I'd prefer a gentle and clear human voice. The voice which appears in the outro 
would be perfect, but I do appreciate it is a bit of an imposition on somebody 
to take the upcoming episode schedules and record/edit all the snippets. I'd 
volunteer to do it but anybody who has heard my few episodes would know my 
voice is just not the one for the job.

Beeza

From: Hpr  on behalf of Ken Fallon 
ly
Sent: 01 September 2018 21:03
To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org
Subject: [Hpr] HPR Branding

Hi All,

Following a discussion on the Community News,
( 
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Feps.php%3Fid%3D2631&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb3f714638bc845dd706708d61046299c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636714290864602407&sdata=EdVu7%2B%2BIv7uDAdT%2BmlEOHRXiVjIx4LBdu2o7%2BCSDY4E%3D&reserved=0
 )

I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on "Give
Shows > Theme"
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Ftheme.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb3f714638bc845dd706708d61046299c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636714290864602407&sdata=wpKLCeY6vYeYqnGnN03AnnF6Z69GqBkHle4cq2%2BZyw0%3D&reserved=0

It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good to
revisit it again.

Currently the branding is as follows

1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"

2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)

3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)

4. The Show

5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)

We would like your input on what if anything should change.

Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?

Do we continue to 2. Thanking our Hosting provider ? Should we remove it
or put it in the outro ?

Should we refresh the 3. HPR Introduction Music ? Make it shorter ?

Should the 5. HPR Outro Music text be changed ?

Any other changes ?


--
Regards,

Ken Fallon
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Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[cobra2]

I always liked festival over espeak. The voices just sound more real to me. I 
find that shows where the host does all the mixing of the intro/outro music 
sound the best as far as levels go. I don't really care my ears have been blown 
out of the water a few times and a few more isn't going to make me deaf. 

What are your thoughts ken?

--cobra2

On September 1, 2018 11:27:52 PM UTC, lostnbronx  wrote:
>I know it's been brought up in the past, but if we're revisiting the
>whole thing, is there a better voice available for espeak these days?
>I like the idea of having the host announced, along with a simple
>description of the ep, but every time I recommend an episode to
>someone outside the HPR community, I have to warn them to ignore the
>horrible robot voice at the beginning. It really sounds quite bad
>compared to others that are out there, though I don't know what Free
>Software options are currently available. If this one is still
>state-of-the-art for scriptable FOSS voices, then there's nothing to
>complain about, since nothing can be done. But if some better voices
>do exist now, maybe we could look at swapping out the one we currently
>use?
>
>-LnB

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Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Bob Jonkman]

Mike Ray said:

> The music is too loud, as others have said.

Actually, I think that the music is at a good level, but the show
content itself is much too quiet.  As David Lee said, a bit of
post-production can be extremely helpful, and this can probably be
automated.

I do love the music, but it is a bit long. Perhaps the format can be:

1. 10 seconds of intro music (conveniently, the fanfare has just sounded
twice at 10 seconds)

2. Fade intro music to 30%, start voice-over of the TTS Show Synopsis.

3. With luck the TTS Show Synopsis is over just before the intro music
runs out. If not, the intro music repeats (sans fanfare) at the 30
second mark, but fades. Perhaps the intro music can just keep repeating
until both the show synopsis and sponsorship thankyou are done.

4. Sponsorship thankyous...

5. Music fades completely, The Show starts

6. Outro is great as it is, and a good example of voice over music.


--Bob, who has no business providing advice until he submits another
show or several.



On 2018-09-01 06:27 PM, Mike Ray wrote:
> 
> TTS bit...I'm most interested in the name of the host and the duration.
> The duration I can get from my pod catcher, and I guess most pod
> catchers get this.
> 
> But the name of the host is only available if I look online first, which
> I don't do at one o'clock in the morning which is when the new cast
> drops out.
> 
> Based on the host I sometimes just delete it without going any further.
> Usually when I have heard the duration and the name of the host I jump
> ahead 30 seconds and miss the host message and the music, or most of it.
>  But, tedious as it is, I think thanking Josh is necessary and polite
> after all he does for HPR.
> 
> Personally I hate that bleeping music :-), but it is just as much part
> of HPR as the Nike flash is to over-priced sweat-shop produced sneakers.
> 
> The music is too loud, as others have said.
> 
> But, although sound quality can sometimes be annoyingly bad, and can on
> occasions make it difficult to listen, a poorly recorded show is better
> than no show, as Ken has often said.
> 
> Case in point...Sigflups excellent recent episode on getting the Cisco
> phones she found in the garage working, contained a bad echo.  But what
> a brilliant episode it was. Hacking at it's best and worthy of HPR if
> for nothing else but just the obvious delight in the voice and dialogue
> from the host at getting it to work.
> 
> So, it's dangerous to complain about sound recording quality. To do so
> we risk not digging up some gems.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 01/09/2018 22:42, Dave Lee wrote:
>>
>> Whilst I agree that the theme music could do with turning down a bit, I also 
>> think that some hosts could do more to improve the levels on their recorded 
>> segment.  This is an observation I have towards many podcasts, not just HPR 
>> episodes.  A tiny amount of post-production effort can make a huge amount of 
>> difference to the final episode.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Sep 2018, 22:18, at 22:18, "Brenda J. Butler"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a bit new to the community, but that said here is
>>> my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm ok with the setup as it is, but if we could make the
>>> intro/outro music a little quieter (to more closely
>>> match the show) that would be nice.
>>>
>>> While it is a little boring to hear the "thank you" every
>>> time, it is polite and thankful to the hosters.  I'm
>>> ok with having it up front.
>>>
>>> And what's a "hacker" podcast without a little text-to-speech?
>>> Having it read the show synopsis is as good an excuse as
>>> any to include some tts.
>>>
>>> Also after listening to a podcast (or other content) it can
>>> be good to have a little "filler" between shows so you
>>> have a few minutes to think about the content, before
>>> being bombarded with more content.
>>>
>>> The actual music is fine with me.  I also enjoy the occasional
>>> community member's re-interpretation, be it whistled, sung,
>>> and/or played on the accordion : -)
>>>
>>> bjb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 10:03:07PM +0200, Ken Fallon wrote:
 Hi All,

 Following a discussion on the Community News,
 ( http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2631 )

 I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on
>>> "Give
 Shows > Theme"
 http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php

 It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good
>>> to
 revisit it again.

 Currently the branding is as follows

 1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
 entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"

 2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)

 3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)

 4. The Show

 5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)

 We would like your input on what if anything should change.

 Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?

 Do we continue to 2.

Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[lostnbronx]

I know it's been brought up in the past, but if we're revisiting the
whole thing, is there a better voice available for espeak these days?
I like the idea of having the host announced, along with a simple
description of the ep, but every time I recommend an episode to
someone outside the HPR community, I have to warn them to ignore the
horrible robot voice at the beginning. It really sounds quite bad
compared to others that are out there, though I don't know what Free
Software options are currently available. If this one is still
state-of-the-art for scriptable FOSS voices, then there's nothing to
complain about, since nothing can be done. But if some better voices
do exist now, maybe we could look at swapping out the one we currently
use?

-LnB

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Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Kevin O'Brien]

I've never had a problem with the current setup, so I will vote to keep
everything as it is.

Regards,


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On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 6:27 PM Mike Ray  wrote:

>
> TTS bit...I'm most interested in the name of the host and the duration.
> The duration I can get from my pod catcher, and I guess most pod
> catchers get this.
>
> But the name of the host is only available if I look online first, which
> I don't do at one o'clock in the morning which is when the new cast
> drops out.
>
> Based on the host I sometimes just delete it without going any further.
> Usually when I have heard the duration and the name of the host I jump
> ahead 30 seconds and miss the host message and the music, or most of it.
>  But, tedious as it is, I think thanking Josh is necessary and polite
> after all he does for HPR.
>
> Personally I hate that bleeping music :-), but it is just as much part
> of HPR as the Nike flash is to over-priced sweat-shop produced sneakers.
>
> The music is too loud, as others have said.
>
> But, although sound quality can sometimes be annoyingly bad, and can on
> occasions make it difficult to listen, a poorly recorded show is better
> than no show, as Ken has often said.
>
> Case in point...Sigflups excellent recent episode on getting the Cisco
> phones she found in the garage working, contained a bad echo.  But what
> a brilliant episode it was. Hacking at it's best and worthy of HPR if
> for nothing else but just the obvious delight in the voice and dialogue
> from the host at getting it to work.
>
> So, it's dangerous to complain about sound recording quality. To do so
> we risk not digging up some gems.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 01/09/2018 22:42, Dave Lee wrote:
> >
> > Whilst I agree that the theme music could do with turning down a bit, I
> also think that some hosts could do more to improve the levels on their
> recorded segment.  This is an observation I have towards many podcasts, not
> just HPR episodes.  A tiny amount of post-production effort can make a huge
> amount of difference to the final episode.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1 Sep 2018, 22:18, at 22:18, "Brenda J. Butler" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm a bit new to the community, but that said here is
> >> my opinion.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm ok with the setup as it is, but if we could make the
> >> intro/outro music a little quieter (to more closely
> >> match the show) that would be nice.
> >>
> >> While it is a little boring to hear the "thank you" every
> >> time, it is polite and thankful to the hosters.  I'm
> >> ok with having it up front.
> >>
> >> And what's a "hacker" podcast without a little text-to-speech?
> >> Having it read the show synopsis is as good an excuse as
> >> any to include some tts.
> >>
> >> Also after listening to a podcast (or other content) it can
> >> be good to have a little "filler" between shows so you
> >> have a few minutes to think about the content, before
> >> being bombarded with more content.
> >>
> >> The actual music is fine with me.  I also enjoy the occasional
> >> community member's re-interpretation, be it whistled, sung,
> >> and/or played on the accordion : -)
> >>
> >> bjb
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 10:03:07PM +0200, Ken Fallon wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Following a discussion on the Community News,
> >>> ( http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2631 )
> >>>
> >>> I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on
> >> "Give
> >>> Shows > Theme"
> >>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
> >>>
> >>> It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good
> >> to
> >>> revisit it again.
> >>>
> >>> Currently the branding is as follows
> >>>
> >>> 1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
> >>> entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"
> >>>
> >>> 2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)
> >>>
> >>> 3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)
> >>>
> >>> 4. The Show
> >>>
> >>> 5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)
> >>>
> >>> We would like your input on what if anything should change.
> >>>
> >>> Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?
> >>>
> >>> Do we continue to 2. Thanking our Hosting provider ? Should we remove
> >> it
> >>> or put it in the outro ?
> >>>
> >>> Should we refresh the 3. HPR Introduction Music ? Make it shorter ?
> >>>
> >>> Should the 5. HPR Outro Music text be changed ?
> >>>
> >>> Any other changes ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Ken Fallon
> >>> http://kenfallon.com
> >>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Mike Ray]

TTS bit...I'm most interested in the name of the host and the duration.
The duration I can get from my pod catcher, and I guess most pod
catchers get this.

But the name of the host is only available if I look online first, which
I don't do at one o'clock in the morning which is when the new cast
drops out.

Based on the host I sometimes just delete it without going any further.
Usually when I have heard the duration and the name of the host I jump
ahead 30 seconds and miss the host message and the music, or most of it.
 But, tedious as it is, I think thanking Josh is necessary and polite
after all he does for HPR.

Personally I hate that bleeping music :-), but it is just as much part
of HPR as the Nike flash is to over-priced sweat-shop produced sneakers.

The music is too loud, as others have said.

But, although sound quality can sometimes be annoyingly bad, and can on
occasions make it difficult to listen, a poorly recorded show is better
than no show, as Ken has often said.

Case in point...Sigflups excellent recent episode on getting the Cisco
phones she found in the garage working, contained a bad echo.  But what
a brilliant episode it was. Hacking at it's best and worthy of HPR if
for nothing else but just the obvious delight in the voice and dialogue
from the host at getting it to work.

So, it's dangerous to complain about sound recording quality. To do so
we risk not digging up some gems.

Mike


On 01/09/2018 22:42, Dave Lee wrote:
> 
> Whilst I agree that the theme music could do with turning down a bit, I also 
> think that some hosts could do more to improve the levels on their recorded 
> segment.  This is an observation I have towards many podcasts, not just HPR 
> episodes.  A tiny amount of post-production effort can make a huge amount of 
> difference to the final episode.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> On 1 Sep 2018, 22:18, at 22:18, "Brenda J. Butler"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a bit new to the community, but that said here is
>> my opinion.
>>
>>
>> I'm ok with the setup as it is, but if we could make the
>> intro/outro music a little quieter (to more closely
>> match the show) that would be nice.
>>
>> While it is a little boring to hear the "thank you" every
>> time, it is polite and thankful to the hosters.  I'm
>> ok with having it up front.
>>
>> And what's a "hacker" podcast without a little text-to-speech?
>> Having it read the show synopsis is as good an excuse as
>> any to include some tts.
>>
>> Also after listening to a podcast (or other content) it can
>> be good to have a little "filler" between shows so you
>> have a few minutes to think about the content, before
>> being bombarded with more content.
>>
>> The actual music is fine with me.  I also enjoy the occasional
>> community member's re-interpretation, be it whistled, sung,
>> and/or played on the accordion : -)
>>
>> bjb
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 10:03:07PM +0200, Ken Fallon wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Following a discussion on the Community News,
>>> ( http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2631 )
>>>
>>> I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on
>> "Give
>>> Shows > Theme"
>>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
>>>
>>> It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good
>> to
>>> revisit it again.
>>>
>>> Currently the branding is as follows
>>>
>>> 1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
>>> entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"
>>>
>>> 2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)
>>>
>>> 3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)
>>>
>>> 4. The Show
>>>
>>> 5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)
>>>
>>> We would like your input on what if anything should change.
>>>
>>> Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?
>>>
>>> Do we continue to 2. Thanking our Hosting provider ? Should we remove
>> it
>>> or put it in the outro ?
>>>
>>> Should we refresh the 3. HPR Introduction Music ? Make it shorter ?
>>>
>>> Should the 5. HPR Outro Music text be changed ?
>>>
>>> Any other changes ?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ken Fallon
>>> http://kenfallon.com
>>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Analyst/Programmer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when
there is nothing left to take away." -- A. de Saint-Exupery


https://cromarty.github.io/

Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Dave Lee]

Whilst I agree that the theme music could do with turning down a bit, I also 
think that some hosts could do more to improve the levels on their recorded 
segment.  This is an observation I have towards many podcasts, not just HPR 
episodes.  A tiny amount of post-production effort can make a huge amount of 
difference to the final episode.

Dave



On 1 Sep 2018, 22:18, at 22:18, "Brenda J. Butler"  wrote:
>
>
>
>I'm a bit new to the community, but that said here is
>my opinion.
>
>
>I'm ok with the setup as it is, but if we could make the
>intro/outro music a little quieter (to more closely
>match the show) that would be nice.
>
>While it is a little boring to hear the "thank you" every
>time, it is polite and thankful to the hosters.  I'm
>ok with having it up front.
>
>And what's a "hacker" podcast without a little text-to-speech?
>Having it read the show synopsis is as good an excuse as
>any to include some tts.
>
>Also after listening to a podcast (or other content) it can
>be good to have a little "filler" between shows so you
>have a few minutes to think about the content, before
>being bombarded with more content.
>
>The actual music is fine with me.  I also enjoy the occasional
>community member's re-interpretation, be it whistled, sung,
>and/or played on the accordion : -)
>
>bjb
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 10:03:07PM +0200, Ken Fallon wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Following a discussion on the Community News,
>> ( http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2631 )
>>
>> I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on
>"Give
>> Shows > Theme"
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
>>
>> It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good
>to
>> revisit it again.
>>
>> Currently the branding is as follows
>>
>> 1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
>> entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"
>>
>> 2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)
>>
>> 3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)
>>
>> 4. The Show
>>
>> 5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)
>>
>> We would like your input on what if anything should change.
>>
>> Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?
>>
>> Do we continue to 2. Thanking our Hosting provider ? Should we remove
>it
>> or put it in the outro ?
>>
>> Should we refresh the 3. HPR Introduction Music ? Make it shorter ?
>>
>> Should the 5. HPR Outro Music text be changed ?
>>
>> Any other changes ?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken Fallon
>> http://kenfallon.com
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Hpr] HPR Branding

[Brenda J. Butler]

I'm a bit new to the community, but that said here is
my opinion.


I'm ok with the setup as it is, but if we could make the
intro/outro music a little quieter (to more closely
match the show) that would be nice.

While it is a little boring to hear the "thank you" every
time, it is polite and thankful to the hosters.  I'm
ok with having it up front.

And what's a "hacker" podcast without a little text-to-speech?
Having it read the show synopsis is as good an excuse as
any to include some tts.

Also after listening to a podcast (or other content) it can
be good to have a little "filler" between shows so you
have a few minutes to think about the content, before
being bombarded with more content.

The actual music is fine with me.  I also enjoy the occasional
community member's re-interpretation, be it whistled, sung,
and/or played on the accordion : -)

bjb


On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 10:03:07PM +0200, Ken Fallon wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Following a discussion on the Community News,
> ( http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2631 )
> 
> I am reopening the discussion as to the HPR branding as defined on "Give
> Shows > Theme"
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
> 
> It's been a while since we had this discussion and it would be good to
> revisit it again.
> 
> Currently the branding is as follows
> 
> 1. Show Synopsis (Espeak saying "This is HPR episode ${show_number)
> entitled "${title}". It is hosted by ${hostname} ... etc"
> 
> 2. Thanking our Hosting provider (Automatically Added)
> 
> 3. HPR Introduction Music (Mandatory)
> 
> 4. The Show
> 
> 5. HPR Outro Music (Mandatory)
> 
> We would like your input on what if anything should change.
> 
> Is the 1. Show Synopsis, adding value to people ?
> 
> Do we continue to 2. Thanking our Hosting provider ? Should we remove it
> or put it in the outro ?
> 
> Should we refresh the 3. HPR Introduction Music ? Make it shorter ?
> 
> Should the 5. HPR Outro Music text be changed ?
> 
> Any other changes ?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Ken Fallon
> http://kenfallon.com
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
> 




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