Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658

"In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a 
podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective) 
called Hacker Public Radio."


Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing 
which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.


Can you please provide your view on this.


Hi All,

I just want to summarize the topic as to my understanding of the current 
situation.


I don't think there is a need to amend the rules related to syndication 
because they are pretty clear on the subject. As Yannik pointed out at 
the time, the Linux InLaws was a syndicated podcast, but we granted them 
an exception so they could bootstrap their show. My failing here was to 
not have specified firm conditions for what bootstrapping a podcast on 
HPR would look like, and how long it would take, and then ensure it was 
managed correctly.


There seems to be a clear desire to keep HPR as a podcast and not 
transition to a podcast hosting platform. What I came to realize was 
that the HPR setup could be adapted to become a podcast hosting platform 
with minor changes. For example, were we to not release the main feed, 
remove the HPR branding, and provide each show their own schedule, then 
each hosted podcast (now HPR series) would be their own entity. However 
it's not something that the community, janitors, or the HPR patrons are 
enthusiastic about implementing.


The idea of a FLOSS alternative to other proprietary podcast platforms 
is not a bad idea on the whole, but thinking about it the Internet 
Archive is already providing most if not all needed to host a podcast.


Thanks everyone for the feedback related to this topic, and I hope that 
everyone appreciates any frustration came from genuine misunderstanding.


We're working with the InLaws to migrate their show shortly after the 
date of the last LI episode posted to HPR has been passed 2022-09-22. 
I've asked monochromec to record a show on the process so that other 
would be podcasters could benefit from the experience.



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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Josh Knapp]

If a series that has been on HPR turns into its own podcast, that is cool, but 
that should mean that it can stand on its own two feet and does not require to 
be syndicated on HPR.

It does not stop them from going and doing a short podcast here covering a 
highlight of the other podcast.

It isn't so much giving them "the boot" as it is making sure the podcast stays 
within the rules the community has defined.
On 8/14/2022 10:41:12 PM, Ken Fallon  wrote:


On 2022-08-13 21:44, dnt via Hpr wrote:
> Honestly, I think the idea that HPR would be a podcast hosting platform
> has no basis on anything. It's largely a self-serving misconception for
> those who use it as one.
Let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt here.
> Probably no one is really upset about the inlaws posting their shows as
> HPR shows, they clearly fit in, and it's good to fill a slot. I see this
> like there's been a kind of symbiotic relationship, and then they
> misrepresented this relationship, which has put HPR in a slightly
> uncomfortable position. It shouldn't change just to get comfortable
> again. HPR should just reiterate that it is not a podcast hosting
> platform, but rather a podcast, and that as far as it's concerned, Linux
> In-Laws is a series within HPR, as are others.

To give you some background, the decision to only release material
created exclusively for HPR, was taken by the mail list. But it was a
hard decision to make, and even harder to implement.

http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2012-October/011545.html

At the time we had to drop three shows from the podcast and we have
turned away more than 20 different podcasts since then. We started
https://freeculturepodcasts.org/, and have the "Podcast Recommendation"
Series in order to lighten the message we're giving in having to turn
good people away.

It sucks turning these shows away, especially when we had a call for
shows open. Thankfully most of these shows remained friends and
understood the reasons for the decision, were grateful of the publicity
we could provide, and many went on to be HPR contributors, supplying
shows and staffing the HPR booths.

While there may have been doubt to start with, the Linux InLaws now
definitely qualifies as a syndicated show. We have rules - rules that
were agreed after a fair bit of thought and discussion in the community
- but the Inlaws are now outside these rules which puts us in a
difficult position, whether arrived at by accident or not.

So to me at least, this is rather more than putting HPR into a slightly
uncomfortable position, it calls into question the impartiality with
which we applied the rules.

I need an answer to the question "why are they allowed to be on HPR and
${podcast} isn't ?" and right now I don't have one.

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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-08-13 21:44, dnt via Hpr wrote:

Honestly, I think the idea that HPR would be a podcast hosting platform
has no basis on anything. It's largely a self-serving misconception for
those who use it as one.

Let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt here.

Probably no one is really upset about the inlaws posting their shows as
HPR shows, they clearly fit in, and it's good to fill a slot. I see this
like there's been a kind of symbiotic relationship, and then they
misrepresented this relationship, which has put HPR in a slightly
uncomfortable position. It shouldn't change just to get comfortable
again. HPR should just reiterate that it is not a podcast hosting
platform, but rather a podcast, and that as far as it's concerned, Linux
In-Laws is a series within HPR, as are others.


To give you some background, the decision to only release material 
created exclusively for HPR, was taken by the mail list. But it was a 
hard decision to make, and even harder to implement.


http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2012-October/011545.html

At the time we had to drop three shows from the podcast and we have 
turned away more than 20 different podcasts since then. We started 
https://freeculturepodcasts.org/, and have the "Podcast Recommendation" 
Series in order to lighten the message we're giving in having to turn 
good people away.


It sucks turning these shows away, especially when we had a call for 
shows open. Thankfully most of these shows remained friends and 
understood the reasons for the decision, were grateful of the publicity 
we could provide, and many went on to be HPR contributors, supplying 
shows and staffing the HPR booths.


While there may have been doubt to start with, the Linux InLaws now 
definitely qualifies as a syndicated show. We have rules - rules that 
were agreed after a fair bit of thought and discussion in the community 
- but the Inlaws are now outside these rules which puts us in a 
difficult position, whether arrived at by accident or not.


So to me at least, this is rather more than putting HPR into a slightly 
uncomfortable position, it calls into question the impartiality with 
which we applied the rules.


I need an answer to the question "why are they allowed to be on HPR and 
${podcast} isn't ?" and right now I don't have one.


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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[dnt via Hpr]

Honestly, I think the idea that HPR would be a podcast hosting platform
has no basis on anything. It's largely a self-serving misconception for
those who use it as one.

Probably no one is really upset about the inlaws posting their shows as
HPR shows, they clearly fit in, and it's good to fill a slot. I see this
like there's been a kind of symbiotic relationship, and then they
misrepresented this relationship, which has put HPR in a slightly
uncomfortable position. It shouldn't change just to get comfortable
again. HPR should just reiterate that it is not a podcast hosting
platform, but rather a podcast, and that as far as it's concerned, Linux
In-Laws is a series within HPR, as are others.

-dnt

On 8/13/22 12:51, Dave Lee (HPR) wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 6:49pm, Ken Fallon  > wrote:
>
> On 2022-08-13 19:41, Dave Lee (HPR) wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 6:15pm, Ken Fallon  wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-08-13 17:49, Roan Horning wrote:
>>
>> It's usually pretty clear cut. If someone has their own
>> podcast, with their own site, and their own feed - then they
>> are a syndicated show. None of these things were in place when
>> the InLaws posted their first show.
>>
>> That's interesting, I thought the syndication rule was in place
>> well before then.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Yes the rule was there, but they didn't have a website at the time.
>
> Sorry, completely misread it 😁
>
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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Dave Lee (HPR)]

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 6:49pm, Ken Fallon  wrote:
  

  
  
On 2022-08-13 19:41, Dave Lee (HPR)
  wrote:


  
  
  
  On Sat,
Aug 13, 2022 at 6:15pm, Ken Fallon 
wrote:
  
  

  
  On 2022-08-13 17:49, Roan Horning
wrote:
  It's usually pretty clear cut. If someone has their own
podcast, with their own site, and their own feed - then they
are a syndicated show. None of these things were in place
when the InLaws posted their first show. 
  

That's interesting, I thought the
  syndication rule was in place well before then.

  
  
   Dave

  

Yes the rule was there, but they didn't have a website at the
  time.
Sorry, completely misread it 😁Dave 
  



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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-08-13 19:41, Dave Lee (HPR) wrote:



On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 6:15pm, Ken Fallon  wrote:

On 2022-08-13 17:49, Roan Horning wrote:

It's usually pretty clear cut. If someone has their own podcast,
with their own site, and their own feed - then they are a
syndicated show. None of these things were in place when the
InLaws posted their first show.

That's interesting, I thought the syndication rule was in place well 
before then.


 Dave


Yes the rule was there, but they didn't have a website at the time.

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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Dave Lee (HPR)]

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 6:15pm, Ken Fallon  wrote:
  

  
  
On 2022-08-13 17:49, Roan Horning
  wrote:
It's usually pretty clear cut. If someone has their own podcast,
  with their own site, and their own feed - then they are a
  syndicated show. None of these things were in place when the
  InLaws posted their first show. 
That's interesting, I thought the syndication rule was in place well before then. Dave

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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

I think the "/or are you planning on hosting your own podcast ?"/ is 
what caused the confusion. I can imagine if you thought HPR was a 
podcast hosting platform, then you might think that the syndicated rule 
didn't apply.


Ken.

//

On 2022-08-13 19:14, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-13 17:49, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/13/22 11:25, Ken Fallon wrote:

Well doesn't that make those Syndicated Shows?

Ahh, I didn't realize that was an issue. While I have recently worked 
with the syndication page, I obviously haven't read it thoroughly :) 
How is this decided currently--whether a podcast can post through HPR 
or not? Is it on a case by case decision through the mailing list?


It's usually pretty clear cut. If someone has their own podcast, with 
their own site, and their own feed - then they are a syndicated show. 
None of these things were in place when the InLaws posted their first 
show.


However I did send them this email to check.

/Are you planning on releasing exclusively on HPR or are you
planning on hosting your own podcast ?/

/If the former then no problem. If you are planning your own show
then I'm posting one sample episode under the rules/
/http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication/

/If you are doing your own show we will be happy to add your site
and feed to the http://freeculturepodcasts.org/ list./


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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-08-13 17:49, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/13/22 11:25, Ken Fallon wrote:

Well doesn't that make those Syndicated Shows?

Ahh, I didn't realize that was an issue. While I have recently worked 
with the syndication page, I obviously haven't read it thoroughly :) 
How is this decided currently--whether a podcast can post through HPR 
or not? Is it on a case by case decision through the mailing list?


It's usually pretty clear cut. If someone has their own podcast, with 
their own site, and their own feed - then they are a syndicated show. 
None of these things were in place when the InLaws posted their first show.


However I did send them this email to check.

   /Are you planning on releasing exclusively on HPR or are you
   planning on hosting your own podcast ?/

   /If the former then no problem. If you are planning your own show
   then I'm posting one sample episode under the rules/
   /http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication/

   /If you are doing your own show we will be happy to add your site
   and feed to the http://freeculturepodcasts.org/ list./


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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Roan Horning]

On 8/13/22 11:25, Ken Fallon wrote:


On 2022-08-13 17:03, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/13/22 10:20, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-13 14:41, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/12/22 03:27, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:
For me the connotation of a podcast hosting platform means either some kind of 
monetization going on in the background, or some kind of sharing of resources 
between the podcasts, and I am not sure how that would look and work as HPR is 
currently structured. ...


Anyway when money gets involved, we go to a whole other layer of oversight, and 
bureaucracy that I would much prefer to have nothing to do with. If you want to 
contribute, send your donation to Josh/AnHonestHost or The Internet Archive. 
When HPR needs stuff, the community usually provides.


I didn't state it, but I agree. It is another whole level of complexity that is 
not worth the effort.


Apologies I misunderstood your point.



No worries, I should have stated that at first. My position was not well 
implied in my response.


As far as needing a podcast hosting platform, there already is one, and that is 
the Internet Archive. They already provide an API, and they provide the hosting 
for us and many other Creative Commons podcasts as well. In fact that is where 
HPR shows that have gone live are hosted from, so what value would hosting on 
HPR provide ?


The value of hosting your shows on HPR, at least initially, is a fairly large 
audience with presumably similar interest is introduced to your content.


Well doesn't that make those Syndicated Shows?

/we are only releasing material created exclusively for HPR./

https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication

We put that rule in because other podcasts sought to post to HPR to gain 
audience, and we started having no free slots for HPR only content.

Over the years we have stopped a lot of podcasts from airing on HPR because of this rule, 
but what's to stop them "hosting" on HPR instead and by passing this rule ?



Ahh, I didn't realize that was an issue. While I have recently worked with the 
syndication page, I obviously haven't read it thoroughly :) How is this decided 
currently--whether a podcast can post through HPR or not? Is it on a case by 
case decision through the mailing list?


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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-08-13 17:03, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/13/22 10:20, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-13 14:41, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/12/22 03:27, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:
For me the connotation of a podcast hosting platform means either 
some kind of monetization going on in the background, or some kind 
of sharing of resources between the podcasts, and I am not sure how 
that would look and work as HPR is currently structured. ...


Anyway when money gets involved, we go to a whole other layer of 
oversight, and bureaucracy that I would much prefer to have nothing 
to do with. If you want to contribute, send your donation to 
Josh/AnHonestHost or The Internet Archive. When HPR needs stuff, the 
community usually provides.


I didn't state it, but I agree. It is another whole level of 
complexity that is not worth the effort.


Apologies I misunderstood your point.





As far as needing a podcast hosting platform, there already is one, 
and that is the Internet Archive. They already provide an API, and 
they provide the hosting for us and many other Creative Commons 
podcasts as well. In fact that is where HPR shows that have gone live 
are hosted from, so what value would hosting on HPR provide ?


The value of hosting your shows on HPR, at least initially, is a 
fairly large audience with presumably similar interest is introduced 
to your content.


Well doesn't that make those Syndicated Shows?

   /we are only releasing material created exclusively for HPR./

   https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication

We put that rule in because other podcasts sought to post to HPR to gain 
audience, and we started having no free slots for HPR only content.


Over the years we have stopped a lot of podcasts from airing on HPR 
because of this rule, but what's to stop them "hosting" on HPR instead 
and by passing this rule ?



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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Roan Horning]

On 8/13/22 10:20, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-13 14:41, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/12/22 03:27, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658


So, let me clarify the question to "*Should* we be a podcast or podcast hosting 
platform ".



So far, I don't feel like anyone "hosting their podcast" on HPR has abused the 
spirit of posting to HPR.


Agreed, I think everyone has entered into this in good faith. HPR can operate 
as either a podcast or podcast hosting platform, but i would like to see the 
direction



From my point of view we keep the same direction. A podcast that happens to allow other 
podcasts to post their episodes in our feed. By direction, do you mean the same, or is 
that the question about direction: allowing other show's to "host" themselves 
through the HPR feed?



For me the connotation of a podcast hosting platform means either some kind of 
monetization going on in the background, or some kind of sharing of resources 
between the podcasts, and I am not sure how that would look and work as HPR is 
currently structured. ...


Anyway when money gets involved, we go to a whole other layer of oversight, and 
bureaucracy that I would much prefer to have nothing to do with. If you want to 
contribute, send your donation to Josh/AnHonestHost or The Internet Archive. 
When HPR needs stuff, the community usually provides.


I didn't state it, but I agree. It is another whole level of complexity that is 
not worth the effort.



As far as needing a podcast hosting platform, there already is one, and that is 
the Internet Archive. They already provide an API, and they provide the hosting 
for us and many other Creative Commons podcasts as well. In fact that is where 
HPR shows that have gone live are hosted from, so what value would hosting on 
HPR provide ?


The value of hosting your shows on HPR, at least initially, is a fairly large 
audience with presumably similar interest is introduced to your content.

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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-08-13 14:41, Roan Horning wrote:


On 8/12/22 03:27, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658


So, let me clarify the question to "*Should* we be a podcast or 
podcast hosting platform ".




So far, I don't feel like anyone "hosting their podcast" on HPR has 
abused the spirit of posting to HPR.


Agreed, I think everyone has entered into this in good faith. HPR can 
operate as either a podcast or podcast hosting platform, but i would 
like to see the direction




For me the connotation of a podcast hosting platform means either some 
kind of monetization going on in the background, or some kind of 
sharing of resources between the podcasts, and I am not sure how that 
would look and work as HPR is currently structured. I doubt Josh and 
AnHonestHost.net would mind some extra capital coming in to offset the 
HPR resources they graciously give to HPR, but it would be a 
completely new dynamic that would need to be worked out. If we went 
that route, I see a Hacker Public Network (HPN) or Hacker Public 
Broadcasting Network (HPBN) to which HPR would then become part of 
that network, but HPR would remain basically the same.
First there is no guarantee or suggestion that money would be flowing 
into a podcast hosting platform. Were sponsorship deals be entered into 
by podcasts on a podcast hosting platform, there is nothing to suggest 
that any of that money would flow to the podcast hosting platforms 
koffers. In fact Youtube, Facebook etc are expected to pay the content 
creators.


Anyway when money gets involved, we go to a whole other layer of 
oversight, and bureaucracy that I would much prefer to have nothing to 
do with. If you want to contribute, send your donation to 
Josh/AnHonestHost or The Internet Archive. When HPR needs stuff, the 
community usually provides.


As far as needing a podcast hosting platform, there already is one, and 
that is the Internet Archive. They already provide an API, and they 
provide the hosting for us and many other Creative Commons podcasts as 
well. In fact that is where HPR shows that have gone live are hosted 
from, so what value would hosting on HPR provide ?


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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Roan Horning]

On 8/12/22 03:27, Ken Fallon wrote:

On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658


So, let me clarify the question to "*Should* we be a podcast or podcast hosting 
platform ".



I feel we should be a podcast, and should maintain the same policy towards accepting and airing 
shows from other podcasts that we currently have. As long as they meet the requirements of posting 
on HPR--i.e. shows of 'any topic that "are of interest to Hackers"', they post on the 
accepted schedule (currently not more than once every two weeks, if I am not mistaken), their show 
can be posted under the same CC license that HPR uses, and they are generally not a disruptive 
member of the community. The gray area is when a podcast is wholly hosted through HPR versus 
playing an episode from one which is hosted elsewhere. I think we ask the host to give a brief 
summary of any external podcast being aired on HPR at the start of the show, before including the 
external material. For podcasts which air regularly or are wholly hosted on HPR, the summary isn't 
requested. So far, I don't feel like anyone "hosting their podcast" on HPR has abused the 
spirit of posting to HPR.

For me the connotation of a podcast hosting platform means either some kind of 
monetization going on in the background, or some kind of sharing of resources 
between the podcasts, and I am not sure how that would look and work as HPR is 
currently structured. I doubt Josh and AnHonestHost.net would mind some extra 
capital coming in to offset the HPR resources they graciously give to HPR, but 
it would be a completely new dynamic that would need to be worked out. If we 
went that route, I see a Hacker Public Network (HPN) or Hacker Public 
Broadcasting Network (HPBN) to which HPR would then become part of that 
network, but HPR would remain basically the same.

Cheers,

Roan

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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Kevin O'Brien]

Well, if we are moving from the positive to the normative, I would say
it should remain a podcast.

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 3:27 AM Ken Fallon  wrote:
>
> On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:
> > https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658
> >
> > "In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a
> > podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective)
> > called Hacker Public Radio."
> >
> > Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?
> >
> > I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing
> > which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.
> >
> > Can you please provide your view on this.
> >
> Basing the answers around the podcast feed is not going to give a clear
> cut answer. Every host and every series have their own feeds, and anyone
> can create their own feed pointing to the media on HPR or the Internet
> Archive.
>
> So, let me clarify the question to "*Should* we be a podcast or podcast
> hosting platform ".
>
>
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>
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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Jeroen Baten]

Hi,

I would vote for a definite no on this one. Let me explain.

Currently the hosts are all a bunch of people that would show up in a 
ven diagram in the nerdy/geek/techie section.


Becoming a platform would open up the site to a much wider group of people.

No doubt amongst people with good intentions, also less likable 
characters. Think of "influencers", people selling desinformation, 
ultra-right (left and middle included here for completeness).


This also means al these other podcast need to be reviewed, and there 
need to be rules and, consequently, enforcement of said rules.


If I look back and see what happens when somebody peddles the 
anti-pandemic stuff I am getting really reluctant at endorsing becoming 
a platform.


My 2 cents on the matter.

Warm greetings and salutations to my fellow hackers.

Jeroen Baten

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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Dave Lee (HPR)]

Podcast.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 8:28am, Ken Fallon  wrote:On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

> hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658

>

> "In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a 

> podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective) 

> called Hacker Public Radio."

>

> Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

>

> I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing 

> which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.

>

> Can you please provide your view on this.

>

Basing the answers around the podcast feed is not going to give a clear 

cut answer. Every host and every series have their own feeds, and anyone 

can create their own feed pointing to the media on HPR or the Internet 

Archive.



So, let me clarify the question to "*Should* we be a podcast or podcast 

hosting platform ".





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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Ken Fallon]

On 2022-08-11 22:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658

"In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a 
podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective) 
called Hacker Public Radio."


Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing 
which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.


Can you please provide your view on this.

Basing the answers around the podcast feed is not going to give a clear 
cut answer. Every host and every series have their own feeds, and anyone 
can create their own feed pointing to the media on HPR or the Internet 
Archive.


So, let me clarify the question to "*Should* we be a podcast or podcast 
hosting platform ".



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Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[dnt via Hpr]

It's a podcast, of course.

The only important consequence of someone claiming that hpr is a podcast 
hosting service is that it raises the possibility that perhaps hosts shouldn't 
be allowed to style their shows as a show within hpr, as if syndicated. Before 
this, it could be easily tolerated.

In my view, the practice is tacky anyway. You'd think almost 17 years of 
history would be good enough for you to be a part of it. Hosts who instead 
dress it up as something else are just missing the point, to some extent.

-dnt

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On Aug 11, 2022, 15:49, Mike Ray wrote:

> It's a podcast. With multiple hosts. On 11/08/2022 21:16, Ken Fallon wrote: > 
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658 > > "In this episode our two 
> ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a > podcast (or podcast hosting 
> platform depending on your perspective) > called Hacker Public Radio." > > 
> Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ? > > I believe there is a 
> fundamental difference between the two. Knowing > which we are impacts the 
> direction we will take as a project. > > Can you please provide your view on 
> this. > -- Michael A. Ray Software engineer Witley, Surrey, South-east UK 
> He/him/cis "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, 
> but when there is nothing left to take away." -- A. de Saint-Exupery 
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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Bob Tregilus]

Throwing a wrench into the works--I loath the term "podcast."

Podcast implies that it is an Apple product. While the word "pod" is
not a registered trade style of the Apple Corporation, it still sounds
like it is somehow associated with Apple.

Rather, when I use to be an audio content creator I always preferred
to refer to internet audio content as a "netcast" a la Leo Laporte.
But Laporte gave up on trying to rebrand internet audio content as
netcasts some time ago.

Whatever the case, I have found that using netcast doesn't cause
confusion, at least to the rare netcaster I write too from time to
time, so it might be a rebranding for HPR to consider given its hacker
roots.

But, to answer the question, I consider HPR to be a netcast.

With respect,
Bob

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On 8/11/22, Ken Fallon  wrote:
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658
>
> "In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a
> podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective)
> called Hacker Public Radio."
>
> Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?
>
> I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing
> which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.
>
> Can you please provide your view on this.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> https://kenfallon.com
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Mike Ray]

It's a podcast.

With multiple hosts.




On 11/08/2022 21:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658

"In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a 
podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective) 
called Hacker Public Radio."


Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing 
which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.


Can you please provide your view on this.




--
Michael A. Ray
Software engineer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

He/him/cis

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when 
there is nothing left to take away." -- A. de Saint-Exupery




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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Kevin O'Brien]

Definitely a podcast. It is a single feed in my gpodder. If it were a
network, there would be a separate feed for every podcast.

It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping!

Regards,


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On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:16 PM Ken Fallon  wrote:
>
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658
>
> "In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a
> podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective)
> called Hacker Public Radio."
>
> Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?
>
> I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing
> which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.
>
> Can you please provide your view on this.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> https://kenfallon.com
> https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Josh Knapp]

Podcast Hosting Platform would imply that there are multiple podcasts supported 
by the platform.  As far as how the feed readers are concerned, HPR is a 
podcast, with multiple hosts.

--Josh 
On 8/11/2022 1:17:34 PM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658

"In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a
podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective)
called Hacker Public Radio."

Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing
which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.

Can you please provide your view on this.

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Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Dave Lee (HPR)]

In my somewhat experienced opinion:

* A podcast is a single feed of related episodes

* A podcast hosting platform, is a dedicated service that hosts multiple podcasts.

Based on these definitions, HPR - despite being often used as a hosting provider - is actually a podcast.

Happy to discuss further.

Cheers,
Dave
(Host of multiple podcasts since 2008)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:17pm, Ken Fallon  wrote:hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658



"In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a 

podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective) 

called Hacker Public Radio."



Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?



I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing 

which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.



Can you please provide your view on this.



-- 

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Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)

kenfallon.com

hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon





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Re: [Hpr] Is HPR a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

[Windigo]

I see us as a Podcast. I don't contribute episodes of "The Windigo 
Podcast" to HPR podcast network, I contribute episodes to HPR.


- Windigo


On 2022-08-11 13:16, Ken Fallon wrote:

https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658

"In this episode our two ageing heroes explore the inner workings of a
podcast (or podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective)
called Hacker Public Radio."

Are we a podcast or podcast hosting platform ?

I believe there is a fundamental difference between the two. Knowing
which we are impacts the direction we will take as a project.

Can you please provide your view on this.


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