Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Which EXIF data does Hugin need?
Thomas Pryds wrote: 2011/11/4 kfj _...@yahoo.com mailto:k...@yahoo.com Are you sure you ran the optimizer after generating the CPs? Having the CPs per se doesn't 'move' the images, only after optimization they have y, p and r values to spread them out on the panosphere. Try optimizing once with the default setting and take it from there. On the contrary, I'm sure I *didn't* run the optimizer. Also, I'm sure I didn't do so the other times when I used the assistant and the images did find their place on the panosphere, but now that I know I have to, everything seems to work for me again :-) I believe the assistant runs optimization as part of its process. At least it always seems to do that for me. -- Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Which EXIF data does Hugin need?
This page http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DC210/DC210Acgi.HTM says that the zoom range is the 135 film equivalent of 29-58mm. Assuming these were shot as wide as the zoom went, it might be a safe assumption that it is 29mm with a multiplier of 1. At least, that’s where I’d start. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Ubuntu install of Hugin. Insufficient permissions?
I just ran up Ubuntu 11.1 64bit and selected Hugin from the package manager. It was called Panorama but seems to be the 2011.2 version. When I try to run it, I get this message. I'm a Linux noob, so this is probably a simple one to resolve. Configuration file /home/rich/.kde/share/config/panoramarc not writable. Please contact your system administrator. Any suggestions appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Which EXIF data does Hugin need?
Yes, usually it optimizes, but sometimes, when it doesn't find CPs on all images I guess the optimization is not done. It gives a message that it found some separated groups of images or something like that. In this case you will need to mark some more CPs manually and then optimize. Cheers, Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola) http://cartola.org/360 2011/11/7 Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com Thomas Pryds wrote: 2011/11/4 kfj _...@yahoo.com mailto:k...@yahoo.com Are you sure you ran the optimizer after generating the CPs? Having the CPs per se doesn't 'move' the images, only after optimization they have y, p and r values to spread them out on the panosphere. Try optimizing once with the default setting and take it from there. On the contrary, I'm sure I *didn't* run the optimizer. Also, I'm sure I didn't do so the other times when I used the assistant and the images did find their place on the panosphere, but now that I know I have to, everything seems to work for me again :-) I believe the assistant runs optimization as part of its process. At least it always seems to do that for me. -- Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://www.cafepress.com/**otherend/ http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/**Hugin_FAQhttp://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com hugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/hugin-ptx http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Palmela 2011 Videos now available
Hi, If you're interested in watching the Palmela 2011 Conference talks in video, head on to: http://www.palmela2011.com/info/conference/video-archive Roughly half of the talks published already and the rest of it is coming over the next weeks. Follow Palmela 2011 on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/pages/Palmela-2011/136211359770070 or Twitter http://twitter.com/#!/Palmela2011 to get timely updates. My best regards Os melhores cumprimentos ~~ Carlos Chegado 360º Immersive Experiences -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: translation string rule of third should be rule of thirds
Hi Harry, I fixed the typo. Hopefully this does not break someone translation work. On 6 Nov., 21:48, Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On of the new strings to be translated is rule of third but should be rule of thirds. Are we going to change this before release or not? Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Which EXIF data does Hugin need?
I had that happen just this past Saturday. Turned out that the last frame had only about 20-30 pixel overlap with the previous one. So I loaded the images, then manually added some control points between the last frame and its predecessor. Then I ran the Assistant on it and everything optimized just fine. Carlos Eduardo G. Carvalho (Cartola) wrote: Yes, usually it optimizes, but sometimes, when it doesn't find CPs on all images I guess the optimization is not done. It gives a message that it found some separated groups of images or something like that. In this case you will need to mark some more CPs manually and then optimize. Cheers, Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola) http://cartola.org/360 2011/11/7 Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com mailto:gnomeno...@gmail.com Thomas Pryds wrote: 2011/11/4 kfj _...@yahoo.com mailto:k...@yahoo.com mailto:k...@yahoo.com mailto:k...@yahoo.com Are you sure you ran the optimizer after generating the CPs? Having the CPs per se doesn't 'move' the images, only after optimization they have y, p and r values to spread them out on the panosphere. Try optimizing once with the default setting and take it from there. On the contrary, I'm sure I *didn't* run the optimizer. Also, I'm sure I didn't do so the other times when I used the assistant and the images did find their place on the panosphere, but now that I know I have to, everything seems to work for me again :-) I believe the assistant runs optimization as part of its process. At least it always seems to do that for me. -- Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: how do you do your hand adjustments of your panos?
Yeah, I'd say that would be an improvement. I imaging they try to think about placement of controls, etc. for Hugin on a regular basis, but the developers probably become accommodated to precedents set by ad hoc kludging done during the development process rather than from from more conscious UI design. It must be hard as the project and new features evolve rather quickly. On Nov 7, 1:23 pm, Carl von Einem c...@einem.net wrote: The drop down list to zoom images in the mask tab is IMHO in the wrong place: the left column contains all elements to control the masks, I think a better place for the zooming feature (which is an element to control how the image is displayed) would be directly below or on top of the image. See attached suggestion. BTW the panorama shown in the screenshot is on 360cities: http://360cities.net/image/autumn-colors-at-grosser-ahornboden JohnPW schrieb am 07.11.11 06:25: I missed the zoom box. very good to know. Unfortunately add and delete point controls you have do not appear to work on the Mac version. I'll take a look at the instruction website again and see if I missed something. hugin-mask-tab_zoom.jpg 219KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: how do you do your hand adjustments of your panos?
On Nov 4, 3:07 pm, JohnPW johnpwatk...@gmail.com wrote: In an earlier post Robert Krawitz was sharing some nice panoramas he did:http://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=http://rlk.smugmug.com/Other/Landsca... andhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=http://rlk.smugmug.com/Other/Landsca... and mentioned that he needed to do some hand adjustments in Gimp to correct some stitching problems It occurred to me, so how do folks do their hand adjustments? . . . Clone stamp tool. Its worth trying the lighter/darker colour, luminance, saturation and colour brush options for this. For misalignment visible on staight edges (horizons, power lines, man- made structures) I bend the image using skew. Sometimes content aware fill if there is a piece of the image missing. This works quite well for sky. I have some images I recently took handheld on a small yacht sailing in San Francisco Bay. I had to put all the control points on stationary parts of the boat since anything else was in constant motion. It has made me want to do more hand blending and masking to make the (very mismatched) horizon less jarring and to fix a few things on the boat that moved. I was considering how best to do it. I have yet to try it, but I was thinking I should output the pano in two parts to, one with the even images and one with the odd (alternate source images so there is no image overlap between any of the source images within each one of the two panos.) My thought is that I can then combine the two panos as two base layers in a new file to make the complete combined pano. Anybody have any helpful thoughts? How about splitting the project into two parts? Use Save as to save 2 new projects. The first one will be a stitch of the boat only. Mask out all the sea and sky to isolate the boat. Then from the edit menu select Remove all control points from masks. Remove any images that have no boat visible. Align, Save and stitch. In the other, mask out the boat and Remove all control points from masks. Align, Save and stitch The objective is to obtain 2 panos which don't have any obvious seams or misalignments. In an image editor, combine the two images. To get them to fit in the right orientation, you may need to move the boat image around using the Roll pitch yaw adjustment in the Hugin preview pane, and re- stitch. When editing, you may need to clone in some sea to cover gaps. However sea is not somewhere people will notice retouching. cartol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, in fact I use many many ways to blend. I use normal hugin automated blend, I generate remapped images and put them as a layer in GIMP to use the pieces I want, I guess you can imagine your way and test it. Testing will give you the experience you are searching for. Cheers, Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola)http://cartola.org/360 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: how do you do your hand adjustments of your panos?
Well I have gone back and tried it and looked over the documentation pretty carefully. Indeed these features do not work on the Mac version (as far as I can tell.) Originally, if I remember correctly, Apple developed the command/ Apple key only for GUI related functions, preserving the meaning of the control and alt/option keys. The problem may stem from when Microsoft (and others?) took a different approach to modifier keys adding the Windows key but not in as restrained a way, which sort of muddied up the function of control, alt and the command keys. I assume they stuck with their system despite the conflicts because changing would have been a pain late in the game. I'm not trying to stir up a platform argument, this is just the way I remember it. And accept my apologies my memory is faulty. Anyway, on the Mac, the control key has two functions. One is the traditional control modifier which is handy on terminals, etc. The other is for use with the mouse to produce contextual menus. Holding control while using the mouse (or left mouse key) is equal to using the right mouse key and always has been. On a Mac with a multi-button mouse using the left mouse button while holding down the control key should therefore be equivalent to using the right mouse key without modification, which again, normally provides access to contextual menus. So using the control key with the right mouse key is not really done on the Mac. Oddly enough using that combination (ctrl + RH mouse ) on a mask control point in Hugin deletes the point and appears to be the *only way* to do so. Simply using RH mouse button or( ctr +LH mouse button) does nothing. The delete key, even with any number of modification keys I have tried, also does nothing. Also after similar experimentation, I have not been able to find any way to add a point to a mask. On Nov 5, 7:10 am, Carlos Eduardo G. Carvalho (Cartola) cartol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, . . . To add a new point just activate the mask, clicking into it (not in any point) and then click Ctrl+left mouse over some line. To remove a specific point, select it and click del key. In fact I agree that those masks are note much precise and usually when I need more precision I use remapped images into layers in GIMP. But now that you pointed out the zoom control, I can zoom in and the relative lack of precision is much less of a problem. Cheers, Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola)http://cartola.org/360 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: how do you do your hand adjustments of your panos?
Interesting idea, karmadillo. On Nov 7, 5:32 pm, Karmadillo directrix.digi...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 4, 3:07 pm, JohnPW johnpwatk...@gmail.com wrote: In an earlier post Robert Krawitz was sharing some nice panoramas he did:http://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=http://rlk.smugmug.com/Other/Landsca... andhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=http://rlk.smugmug.com/Other/Landsca... and mentioned that he needed to do some hand adjustments in Gimp to correct some stitching problems It occurred to me, so how do folks do their hand adjustments? . . . Clone stamp tool. Its worth trying the lighter/darker colour, luminance, saturation and colour brush options for this. For misalignment visible on staight edges (horizons, power lines, man- made structures) I bend the image using skew. Sometimes content aware fill if there is a piece of the image missing. This works quite well for sky. I have some images I recently took handheld on a small yacht sailing in San Francisco Bay. I had to put all the control points on stationary parts of the boat since anything else was in constant motion. It has made me want to do more hand blending and masking to make the (very mismatched) horizon less jarring and to fix a few things on the boat that moved. I was considering how best to do it. I have yet to try it, but I was thinking I should output the pano in two parts to, one with the even images and one with the odd (alternate source images so there is no image overlap between any of the source images within each one of the two panos.) My thought is that I can then combine the two panos as two base layers in a new file to make the complete combined pano. Anybody have any helpful thoughts? How about splitting the project into two parts? Use Save as to save 2 new projects. The first one will be a stitch of the boat only. Mask out all the sea and sky to isolate the boat. Then from the edit menu select Remove all control points from masks. Remove any images that have no boat visible. Align, Save and stitch. In the other, mask out the boat and Remove all control points from masks. Align, Save and stitch The objective is to obtain 2 panos which don't have any obvious seams or misalignments. In an image editor, combine the two images. To get them to fit in the right orientation, you may need to move the boat image around using the Roll pitch yaw adjustment in the Hugin preview pane, and re- stitch. When editing, you may need to clone in some sea to cover gaps. However sea is not somewhere people will notice retouching. cartol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, in fact I use many many ways to blend. I use normal hugin automated blend, I generate remapped images and put them as a layer in GIMP to use the pieces I want, I guess you can imagine your way and test it. Testing will give you the experience you are searching for. Cheers, Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola)http://cartola.org/360 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: how do you do your hand adjustments of your panos?
My impulse is to agree with moving the image controls to the right side, although I think I would put them above the image, since they control it. As you point out, all the other controls on the left relate to the masks, so having the image controls with them seems wrong. On the other hand, they probably were looking to maximize free space for the image. Also the current arrangement is consistent with the control points tab. It could be that most of the problem results from the image controls being in the midst of the mask controls. Perhaps simply moving the image controls to the top of the left and giving them some spacial or hierarchical separation would be a good solution for all. It's the perennial issue of balance—the natural human desire for, and love of consistency against the truth that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. :-) On Nov 7, 4:42 pm, JohnPW johnpwatk...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I'd say that would be an improvement. I imaging they try to think about placement of controls, etc. for Hugin on a regular basis, but the developers probably become accommodated to precedents set by ad hoc kludging done during the development process rather than from from more conscious UI design. It must be hard as the project and new features evolve rather quickly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: how do you do your hand adjustments of your panos?
Thanks Bruno, Knowing about the ability to zoom in the mask tab makes many things better (I hope the mask editing features can be worked out for the Mac version soon.) In light of people's suggestions I have done some reading of the documentation and experimentation. But I think I'm missing some important things. On Nov 4, 4:11 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: The primary tool is the Mask tab in Hugin. You can render layers and try and blend them in an image editor but this is painful. I thought blending and masking in an image editor would be easier, but you are indeed correct. It is rather painful. Using layers and masks with Panoramic images is a different and more complicated task than with more typical images. The goals and task are such that it can get challenging very quickly. It seems wise to do as much as possible in Hugin. . . . I prefer to use a photo multiple times in a Hugin project with different masking to patch up larger areas like skies and ground. Hearing you say this makes me think I'm missing something big. I tried to figure it out, but was not able to make headway. I have always assumed, since it's possible to save the remapped image layers, that there must be some way to use these files to output a panorama without having to go through the whole cycle again. I assumed this was probably only possible using the command line and that using this technique would only come far down the road for me. It sounds though, like you are running images through Hugin (or nona or enblend) multiple times. Or else you are taking copies of images of parts of images and inserting them into Hugin projects to use Hugin (or nona or enblend) as a large scale cloning tool. what can I see/read that gives a good description of exactly how to do this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: how do you do your hand adjustments of your panos?
I suppose the hard part is discerning foolish consistency from desirable consistency. :-) On Nov 7, 6:59 pm, JohnPW johnpwatk...@gmail.com wrote: It's the perennial issue of balance—the natural human desire for, and love of consistency against the truth that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
