Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: autopano-noop and other repo cruft

2010-11-28 Thread michael crane

 I'll look into a Jaunty (9.10) version after dinner.

 hey lady if you don't know what diddy wah diddy [0]means , don't mess
with it

 [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYaWTCY0Tns



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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Further Artwork Cleanup

2010-11-25 Thread michael crane

On Thu, November 25, 2010 11:31 pm, michael crane wrote:
 the word hugin is something about an Icelandic bird the man holding a
 panorama like wings is therefore perfect.

If you are looking for a graphic theme for icons the little birds and
their beaks offer lots of opportunities I imagine.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] that was fast!

2010-11-23 Thread michael crane

On Tue, November 23, 2010 5:23 am, Yuval Levy wrote:
 On November 22, 2010 06:17:38 pm michael crane wrote:
 as I understand things you are not such a hot coder so why are we
 waiting
 on you ?

 good question indeed.  why are you waiting?
It is one of those mysteries. I do not know what your motivation is. for 5
years or so I have seen you pontificating as project self appointed leader
and I do not know what has been successful. Please do a feature freeze.
take a back seat and let the guys who know what they are doing tidy
everything up.

thanks

mick

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Claiming an SF account in LP

2010-11-22 Thread michael crane

On Mon, November 22, 2010 10:44 pm, Yuval Levy wrote:
 On November 22, 2010 03:55:40 pm Bart van Andel wrote:
 It's really a shame that Launchpad only implements the provider part
 of the OpenID protocol, and not the consumer (relying party) part.

 yes.  I know from other sources that they are reviewing their whole
 sign-up /
 log-on architecture.  Since it is critical they don't want to make
 mistakes.

 Think for example of a spammer setting up an OpenID provider (plain
 simple,
 takes less than 10 minutes) and using it to generate tons of
 spam-accounts.

 They are experimenting with things and collecting data / observations of
 how
 users interact.  With such a large platform, they can't be as nimble as
 they
 would like to.


 As long as I don't need the account, I'll wait

 Waiting is fine.  You'll need an account if you want to use the tracker,
 including voting for that issue to get fixed by hitting the this bug
 affects
 me too button ;-)

 Well, strictly speaking, the Hugin PPA team (binary builders, not to be
 confused with the development team, even if some people may be part of
 both)
 is using Launchpad and its build infrastructure (Soyuz) to build packages
 for
 Ubuntu Linux.  This is currently unfinished / incomplete job.

 There is a feature of that infrastructure which I would like to tap to
 produce
 nightlies.  When everything works as advertised, LP can import the
 latest
 code from external repositories.  Provided with a recipe it can bake
 binaries automatically.  Think of it as on-demand builds of the bleeding
 edge.
 No manual intervention.  RAWstudio makes use of it and I get my nightlies
 as
 regular as the commit mails from heir (self hosted) SVN repo.

 I have two objectives for the Hugin PPA:
 1. provide subscribers with the latest stable releases for all currently
 supported versions of Ubuntu;
 2. and with the latest bleeding edge nightlies.

 Currently (1) is only partially implemented thanks to Philipp Seidel.
 Although there is a report that dependencies have not been specified too
 well

what is all this ?
are there maintainers for each distribution ? I guess they have some
headaches
yum install hugin

ah! cool it works
can somebody get a grip on this project so that people [2] can work with it ?

thanks

mimmik


[2] lots







 [0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-hg/+bug/674581



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Re: [hugin-ptx] that was fast!

2010-11-22 Thread michael crane

On Mon, November 22, 2010 10:59 pm, Yuval Levy wrote:

 That said, I still have a family (and my son just told me that supper is
 on
 the table) and a life, so no matter how badly you want it, I may not be
 able
 to give it to you and I won't apologize for that.

as I understand things you are not such a hot coder so why are we waiting
on you ?

regards

mick

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Re: [hugin-ptx] some mailing list admin, displaying the membership list

2010-11-06 Thread michael crane
On 6 November 2010 23:24, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote:
 I'd like to change a googlegroups setting so that members can see the
 members list.  This page doesn't include email addresses, just usernames.

ok with me

mick

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Re: [hugin-ptx] hugin-2010.2.0_rc1 released

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Crane


...

On 17 Sep 2010, at 13:38, sebastien delcoigne sebastien.delcoi...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 I have trouble translating seam and seamless in french.
 
 Any help appreciated :)
 
 
Seam  closed Borders
Seamless  open Borders
=^)

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Converting folder listings to text, for a pano project.

2010-04-22 Thread michael crane
On Wed, April 21, 2010 9:27 pm, John McAllister wrote:
 Mick...
 This sounds like a good suggestion but, it has to be properly expanded to
 be useable.
I'm not sure I understand.
click on c:/windows/system32/cmd.exe
cd to c:/users/wheremyfilesare
type dir dir.txt
dir.txt now has a listing of the contents of the directory but it has the
date time and size as well but everything is in a line vertically.
get notepad++ from http://sourceforge.net/projects/notepad-plus/
and open dir.txt with it.
there is the handy block editing mode which you get by holding Alt as you
move the mouse, using this you can quickly delete the extraneous stuff to
leave one file name per line.



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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Converting folder listings to text, for a pano project.

2010-04-21 Thread michael crane

On Thu, April 15, 2010 11:25 pm, Bruno Postle wrote:
 On Thu 15-Apr-2010 at 20:30 -, John McAllister wrote:

 It is not so much that I need an all-singing-and-dancing image
 processor... More that I just want to translate system folder listings
 into text.

 A long time ago Microsoft had a tool called tweakui that you could
 use to copy multiple filenames into the clipboard.  I'm not sure if this
 still exists.

to do this I type dir dir.txt in the directory then use notepad ++ in
column edit mode ( press alt) to trim it.

mick

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Can you see what's wrong with this pano head?

2010-03-11 Thread michael crane
it is an html pano head /htmlthey should be avoided

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Re: [hugin-ptx] problem compiling code

2010-02-22 Thread Michael Crane



...

On 22 Feb 2010, at 19:22, Carl von Einem c...@einem.net wrote:


No wonder you run into problems: you should try align_image_stack
instead of trying to stack images of aliens! ;-)


What/how  does align_image_stack do ?
Cheers

Mick

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions

2009-12-23 Thread michael crane
can somebody clear this up.
is hugin using copyrighted/ patented stuff when it shouldn't ?
regards

mick





2009/12/23 Roger Howard rogerhow...@rogerroger.org:

 On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:03:07 -0800 (PST), DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 No.  My bottom line is that if you use a patented algorithm to make a
 panorama for profit without paying the inventor of the algorithm, can
 you be outraged if your panorama is used by others without payment to
 you.

 Yes, if you understand the difference between patents and copyright and
 happen to have a distinctly different opinion on each based on their
 distinctly different functions.

 Yes, if as a user of an application - and not an implementor of algorithms
 - you reasonably assume that you may use the application as you see fit,
 and that you shouldn't be in the position of vetting each algorithm used
 within the application for patent issues.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] New tutorial, surveying buildings with Hugin

2009-12-15 Thread michael crane
2009/12/14 Bruno Postle br...@postle.net:
 At work I was recently asked how I did this.

 My reply clearly didn't make much sense, so here is a tutorial
 showing the basics of creating an architectural model of an existing
 building, using a single photo, Hugin and any 3D modelling tool:

 http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/surveying/

Well Done.


regards

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Package manager for windows

2009-11-27 Thread michael crane
I was confused about the SDK what exactly it was, how it ties in with
the new stuff.
I'm a semi literate luser ask me to test what you do
mick


2009/11/27 Nicolas Pelletier nicolas.pellet...@gmail.com:
 Thanks Tom.
 It's never too late :P
 Seriously, I was looking for options, in case there is a good one to replace
 the SDK. The SDK is as good as the people maintaining it. So before I look
 into doing so, I wanted to be sure there was not anything better.
 My current conclusion is that SDK will stay, but if I end up building it,
 the format will change. Here is what I have in mind (but always open to
 comments... and I need to actually do it, for which I'm not too fast
 lately).
 The current SDK is dependant on 3 things being in sync:
 - The SDK itself
 - The instructions on the Wiki
 - The source code (i.e. using the same dependencies as the SDK provides).
 The sync not being perfect, it can be difficult for some users. It also
 creates frustration.
 I would therefore propose:
 The SDK includes a readme with all the instructions, software to install,
 how to fetch the hugin\enblend source, etc.
 This would remove the wiki-SDK dependency.
 I would also add that the SDK would stop being current most up to date SDK
 but be more
 Hugin SDK for Hugin Build XYZ and Enblend build ABC
 The instructions would be very clear about which version to pull the source
 from.
 In theory, this would then remove the source code-SDK dependency as the SDK
 targets a specific version.
 This has a drawback, it will bring you as far as the SDK can, but not on a
 branch, or the head revision.
 I think it will be easier, and less pain for users to get here (and get the
 satisfaction of a working build, of having accomplished something, and
 getting some confidence about the process) and THEN get them on the head
 revision.
 So instruction could have a few more details about how to get the head and
 try to build. And a few info about how to debug, and\or request help from
 the list.
 We could then provide a new SDK and have some input from the user about why
 they were not able to achieve the last step by themselves, and provide
 better input in the readme.
 In short, I think if a user tries to build hugin and fails at step 1, they
 will stop.
 If they get it to work on a (slightly older) version after 9 steps, if then
 they get into trouble, they will try to resolve it.
 This is my current brain dump... any questions and\or comment welcome. Also,
 I'm still extremely new here, any historical reasons for why something is
 like this or that is also appreciated.
 Thanks,
 nick

 On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Sharpless tksharpl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Nick,

 This may be too late, and maybe too simple-minded, but IMO there is
 only one practical way to install the dependencies for building hugin
 on Windows: the hugin SDK (http://hugin.panotools.org/sdk/MSVC/
 hugin_enblend_sdk_msvc2008_v2.7z).  That puts everything you need in
 one directory.  If you would rather use correctly installed versions
 of some of those packages, you can then make the necessary
 modifications to the cmake scripts (and very possibly to the installed
 package's libraries) one package at a time, while being able to build
 hugin all the time.

 I am quite sure there will never be anything that can manage Linux
 packages well on Windows -- not only because of technical
 difficulties, the market is simply not there.

 Regards, Tom


 On Nov 10, 10:35 pm, Nicolas Pelletier nicolas.pellet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Since building hugin on windows is not so trivial as on other platforms
  (thanks to the package manager on linux), I was wondering a few things.
 
  A little researched showed that there are now a few package managers
  that
  work on windows. Has this been looked into as a solution for hugin?
 
  Also, in linux, what file is used to find the required packages? I.e.
  what
  file contains the dependency?
 
  Thanks,
 
  nick

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[hugin-ptx] tortoise

2009-11-26 Thread michael crane
hello,
I installed the tortoise server and client thingy on windose vista as
suggested and it will not go away.
I removed it from the start up programs but each time I reboot it is
still there. I would like to know how it does that and stop it

thanks.

mick

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: binary distribution policy

2009-11-17 Thread michael crane
well I'd be thrilled to contribute and I do use windows. actually I've
been going off it lately but I imagine it's cyclical.
What I would require is a crude explanation what is and how works  C
and what is C ++ how is the same name for program language different
in windows and unix. I would need to know what these differences are
before I dived in and tried to figure stuff out
mick

2009/11/17 Erik Krause erik.kra...@gmx.de:
 Harry van der Wolf wrote:

 It's not about the discussion itself or how it got here. That is completely
 valid here and your criticism as such is also valid. It's more the choice
 of your words that made me react (self appointed leader and so on), which
 is unfair and doesn't give Yuv the credits he deserves.

 You are absolutely right. My anger threw me off.

 best regards
 --
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: binary distribution policy

2009-11-16 Thread michael crane
I does seem really a lot of work to try to get all the stuff to work
properly on windows.
I appreciate it is ( or used ) to be difficult to get any useful
information from microsoft but is there any way  the process could be
simplified. I don't understand coding at all except for reading the
odd config file but is there not a list of substitutes so the building
works on windows. I'm loath to dive in because it seems at present
somebody spends hours changing one or two lines getting something to
work then it gets changed and they have to start again ?

regards

mick


2009/11/16 Jeffrey Martin 360cit...@gmail.com:


 On Nov 15, 12:44 pm, Stefan Peter s_pe...@swissonline.ch wrote:
 As I have mentioned in another thread, hugin is not about market share
 or world domination.


 Providing 90% of the computer users out there with a usable installer
 for this program isnt' world domination. It's common sense.

 As I said already, do you want more people to help develop hugin?
 offering them a way to actually USE the program (without spitting
 vitriol about how they should compile the damn thing themselves) is
 probably a good first step, no? :-)

 Just because it's open source doesn't mean it should be intentionally
 difficult to even try the product (yes, product).

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: binary distribution policy

2009-11-13 Thread michael crane
I agree, I think focus should be on making a solid software rather
than trying to change the world.
regards
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Linear Panograph

2009-10-24 Thread michael crane

it's tricky and time consuming. most people resort to fixing them by
hand in photoshop or gimp.
mick

2009/10/23 Dale Beams drbe...@hotmail.com:
 I'd like to create a linear panograph of our small downtown.  This would
 encompass 18 blocks.  I think I can create a pano at the end of each block
 and then insert it in the panograph.  I've done some experimentation, but
 have not been able to get a satisfactory result.

 In part, because one needs to side-step every building, and every building
 looking directly on, there is some pitch(?) or angle as the hill goes down.
 In addition, because we still have brick streets, I'm getting parralax on
 the street brick.  I can remove the street brick, but an not sure how to get
 around the other paralax issues.

 If hugin is unable to do this, are there other tools photographers know
 about that will do this nicely?

 Ideally, I'd like to enter it in out county fair next year.

 Dale





 
 Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow!
 


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[hugin-ptx] well, I didn't know that

2009-09-16 Thread michael crane

http://munin.projects.linpro.no/

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Source Forge Ideas

2009-09-16 Thread michael crane

2009/9/16 Kornel Benko kornel.be...@berlin.de:
 Am Wednesday 16 September 2009 schrieb Yuval Levy:

 do you have a Sourceforge user ID? please vote.
 https://sourceforge.net/apps/ideatorrent/sourceforge/ideatorrent/idea/291/

 thanks
 Yuv

 Without enabled javascript the site displayed here (on firefox) empty.

I get a blue/green line

mick

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[hugin-ptx] Re: well, I didn't know that

2009-09-16 Thread michael crane

sorry, is it to Luca ?
then maybe the logo should have a beak on the circle head ( the arms
already look like wings )
regards

mick

2009/9/16 Oskar Sander oskar.san...@gmail.com:
 But of course.

 I guess  someone with an interest in Norse religion named these
 applications.  I suspect Nona being named after Norna (Swedish pl.
 Nornorna) who were the three godess of fate (past, present and future)

 /O
 (Viking)

 2009/9/16 J. Schneider j-schn...@gmx.de

 michael crane schrieb:
  http://munin.projects.linpro.no/

 And Hugin means thought
 Well, I knew - but therefore I was always wondering why the program got
 this name. Could anybody tell me?

 regards
 Joachim





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[hugin-ptx] Re: efoto

2009-09-16 Thread michael crane

 Welcome to stronge-foto project/strong#039;s website. Here, you
will know more on this initiative of a strongfree digital
photogrammetric workstation/strong. You will also download our
software, and the stronge-book on digital photogrammetry/strong as
well. We feel honored with your visit; have a nice browsing! 

crashes my browser I'm afraid.

mick

2009/9/16 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:

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 Hi All,


 One of the Leica users pointed me at the following site:

 http://www.efoto.eng.uerj.br/doku.php?id=en:start


 And I think that if you like Hugin, you might wanna add that one also to
 your toolchain :)

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[hugin-ptx] Re: efoto

2009-09-16 Thread michael crane

the link works now. what happened there I do not know.
mick

2009/9/16 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:

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 crashes my browser I'm afraid.

 My firefox doesn't have problems with the above :)

 But it seems their code is on sourceforge:

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/e-foto/files/E-FOTO%200.1/


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Cleaning Up Libpano integration

2009-09-13 Thread michael crane

do you mean this ?
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/panotools-devel

regards

mick

2009/9/13 Yuval Levy goo...@levy.ch:

 dmg wrote:
 Would it be possible for someone to describe in the libpano mailing
 list what the problem is?

 I tried. Seems that my message awaits moderation.

 When I google for libpano mailing list it returns all sorts of things,
 just not what I would expect, i.e. the homepage of the mailing list.

 When I go on the panotools project page and hit the menu mailing-lists
 - panotools-devel I get to a page that does not say how to subscribe.

 When I browse to search the archives to see if the issue was already
 discussed, I'm presented with slow, unresponding, hard to read web based
 interface and no search box.

 I had to look at the headers of your post to find out the email address
 of the list.

 It seems that SourceForge is doing everything it can to prevent users
 from using a mailing list properly. I recommend you migrate that list to
 a better system for the task.

 In the meantime I filed a bug report

 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2858018group_id=96188atid=613954

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[hugin-ptx] building problems

2009-09-13 Thread michael crane

hello,
building hugin failed with something about pthreads.
Now I am trying to build enblend.
make is hanging for 45 minutes at

assemble.h:222: warning: passing âconst doubleâ for argument 2 to
âvigra::ThresholdSrcValueType,
DestValueType::Threshold(SrcValueType, SrcValueType, DestValueType,
DestValueType) [with SrcValueType = int, DestValueType = unsigned
char]â

I have a reasonable pc waiting for a disk but for now I am trying on
my laptop that just has 500Mb so is this normal ?

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-12 Thread michael crane

so any idea why I get an error building the pdf ?

I assume enblend can be built separately ? without all the hugin stuff ?

I tried to build Hugin but I have freeglut not glut and it won't work.
Is there a way to say use freeglut ?

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-12 Thread michael crane

2009/9/12 Kornel Benko kornel.be...@berlin.de:

 You need the development version of freeglut. Something like freeglut3-dev
 and libglut3-dev on ubuntu.

I thought I had the devel package but apparently not.
but now it says.

[m...@:~/hugin_src/hugin]$ cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local
-- Current SVN revision is 4385
LOG2 1
-- Found wxWidgets: TRUE
-- Found TIFF: /usr/include
-- Found JPEG: /usr/include
-- Found PNG: /usr/include
-- WARNING: you are using the obsolete 'PKGCONFIG' macro use FindPkgConfig
-- Found OPENEXR:
/usr/lib/libImath.so;/usr/lib/libIlmImf.so;/usr/lib/libIex.so;

/usr/lib/libHalf.so;/usr/lib/libIlmThread.so
-- GLUT Found
-- Found Glew:
-- Boost version: 1.33.1
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   thread
-- Program msgfmt found (/usr/bin/msgfmt)
-- Using shared internal libraries
CMake Error: The following variables are used in this project, but
they are set   to NOTFOUND.
Please set them or make sure they are set and tested correctly in the
CMake file  s:
GLUT_Xmu_LIBRARY (ADVANCED)
linked by target align_image_stack in directory
/home/mick/hugin_src/hugin
/src/tools
linked by target nona in directory /home/mick/hugin_src/hugin/src/tools
linked by target hugin in directory
/home/mick/hugin_src/hugin/src/hugin1/
 hugin
linked by target nona_gui in directory
/home/mick/hugin_src/hugin/src/hugi
  n1/nona_gui

-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!


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[hugin-ptx] Re: News links on Hugin website lead to blank page

2009-09-12 Thread michael crane

2009/9/12 Tduell tdu...@iinet.net.au:

 Hullo All,
 Not sure if this is a problem unique to me or my browser

It's not you.
mick

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-11 Thread michael crane

2009/9/11 cspiel csp...@freenet.de:

 Michael -

 On Sep 10, 11:08 pm, michael crane mick.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
 so what is the way to view the document in all it's composed glory ?

        As a long time user of Texinfo, I'd say
 the question is not well defined.  Please let me
 explain why.
snipped useful stuff

these are the files

in enblend/doc

authors.texi  entropy.gp.in  sharp-edge.gp.in
auxmac.texfdl.texi   smooth-edge.data
auxmac.texi   focus-stack-decision-tree.fig  smooth-edge.gp.in
config-edge.gpgaussian.gp.in tidy.cfg
config.gp helpful-programs.texi  tuning-memory-usage.texi
default.css   laplacian-of-gaussian.gp.inunderstanding-masks.texi
enblend.info  local-analysis-window.fig  versenblend.texi
enblend.texi  Makefile.amversenfuse.texi
enfuse.info   mask-template-characters.texi  workflow.texi
enfuse.texi   photographic-workflow.fig
entropy-cutoff.gp.in  sharp-edge.data

Which pogram do I use to print to screen the enblend documentation
showing all the equations and illustrations?

regards

mick







 I hope I could clarify the issue.

 Cheers,
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-11 Thread michael crane

2009/9/11 Bruno Postle br...@postle.net:

 On Fri 11-Sep-2009 at 12:25 +0100, michael crane wrote:

these are the files
in enblend/doc

 [snip]

Which pogram do I use to print to screen the enblend documentation
showing all the equations and illustrations?

 The docs are integrated in the build system, you should be able to
 do something like this (untested):

   make -f Makefile.scm


aclocal -I m4
autoheader
automake --add-missing
doc/Makefile.am:132: user target `enblend.dvi' defined here...
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/texibuild.am: ... overrides Automake target
`enblend.dvi' defined here
doc/Makefile.am:148: user target `enfuse.dvi' defined here...
/usr/share/automake-1.9/am/texibuild.am: ... overrides Automake target
`enfuse.dvi' defined here
autoconf


   ./configure


..
OPENGL_LIBS:-lGLEW
   EXTRA_LIBS (optional):  none selected

 can build all documentation:  yes

 feature selection:
   split *.info and *.html files:  yes
   enable debugging support:   no
   enable malloc debugging:no
   OpenEXR image formatyes
   use image cache:yes
   build GPU acceleration: no, because of missing GLUT
   use OpenMP: no



   cd doc
   make pdf
.
Package thumbpdf Warning: Thumbnail data file `enfuse.tpt' not found.

)) (/home/mick/hugin_src/enblend/doc/../texinfo.tex
Loading texinfo [version 2005-07-05.19]: Basics, pdf,
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/plain/pdfcolor/pdfcolor.tex) fonts, page headings,
tables, conditionals, indexing, sectioning, toc, environments, defuns, macros,
cross references, insertions, (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/epsf/epsf.tex)
localization, and turning on texinfo input format.) (./auxmac.texi)
(./versenfuse.texi) [1{/usr/share/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}
] [2] [-1] [-2] (List of Tables) (List of Figures) [-4] Chapter 1 [-5]
Cross reference values unknown; you must run TeX again. [1] Chapter 2 [2]
(./workflow.texi
Error: pdfetex (file photographic-workflow.pdf): cannot find image file
 == Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file is not finished!
/usr/local/bin/texi2dvi: pdfetex exited with bad status, quitting.
make: *** [enfuse.pdf] Error 1


there is a photographic-workflow.png file in the directory
the enblend.pdf that is made is corrupt and will not open
if I put a photographic-workflow.pdf in the directory

and type

make pdf
.

Transcript written on enblend.log.
/usr/local/bin/texi2dvi: pdfetex exited with bad status, quitting.
make: *** [enblend.pdf] Error 1

I get an enblend.pdf but I don't know if it is complete.
I'll put it here
http://www.panagito.com/MISC/enblend5.pdf
regards

mick



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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-11 Thread michael crane

2009/9/11 Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com:


 I get an enblend.pdf but I don't know if it is complete.
 I'll put it here
 http://www.panagito.com/MISC/enblend5.pdf
 regards

 mick


 
  --
  Bruno

 --

 Hi Mick,

 I understood that you really wanted to build everything yourself. If you
 want a complete generated docset, go to my webpage
 http://panorama.dyndns.org/EandE-documentation/

 You find everything there and you can also download the complete
 pre-compiled set in a .tgz (botom of page)

Hi,
Yes I saw that earlier. I started seeing if I could help by generating
a wikipage from the sources
but I'm having problems understanding how it's done.

regards

mick
 Harry

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-10 Thread michael crane

2009/9/9 Yuval Levy goo...@levy.ch:


 and IMO the wrong way to go about the issue. Wiki format only makes
 sense if you want the pages to be editable in the Wiki. Good luck
 syncing with the official documentation if you do.

it's clear that there should be one source of documentation or it
could get silly.

I'm fiddling about with the texi, info files largely because I've no
idea till yesterday how they are done.

Can somebody explain what @ref{Figure:photographic-workflow} is ? in
workflow.texi

some programs ( texi2html, texi2dvi, texi2pdf, dvipng expect a txt
file, some a pdf, some a ps, some a jpg.

which causes an error.
I made .pdf .jpg , ps from the .fig file and they seem happy with that
but what is supposed to happen ?

regards

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-10 Thread michael crane

2009/9/10 Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com:

 Or to put it simple : @ref{Figure:photographic-workflow}  refers to a figure
 which is an eps file called photographic-workflow.eps. You will find this
 photographic-workflow.eps in the same directory (in this pathless  case)
 as the texi file.

there is only the .fig file there. other programs seem to expect a jpg or a pdf.
where does it say that it is an .eps.

What program is meant to view the .texi file directly in all it's
composed glory ?
I've installed so many now I'm not sure what's going on.

regards

mick

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-10 Thread michael crane

2009/9/10 Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com:


 2009/9/10 Carl von Einem c...@einem.net




 Yes, you are right. I was mistaken. I thought Mick was working on the
 genreated documentation, not on the source document data.

'working' is the wrong expression. rag in teeth ?  gnawing on bone ?

so what is the way to view the document in all it's composed glory ?

man shows some of it
info shows some of it
perldoc shows some of it but I forget the syntax
?
mick

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-09 Thread michael crane

2009/9/9 Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com:

 If you find some new, not so labour intensive route, from texi to wiki
 please let us know.

the newest texi2html seems to make perfect html in no time at all.
texi2html 1.82.
http://www.nongnu.org/texi2html/

The online converters to mediawiki that I tried fail with some
characters  missing sometimes and some of the anchor links do not
work.

http://toolserver.org/~diberri/cgi-bin/html2wiki/index.cgi

http://labs.seapine.com/htmltowiki.cgi

I think I can allow import html into my crispy new mikiwiki. I'll try
that and then see if I can export it.

regards

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-08 Thread michael crane

2009/9/8 Erik Krause erik.kra...@gmx.de:

 Could someone with texi2html installed try to convert one of the manuals
 to mediawiki text and see how it displays in the panotools wiki? Or mail
 me the result off list that I can try?

I converted enblend.texi to html ok with texi2html then the perl
thingy HTML::WikiConverter::MediaWiki seemed to hang  converting to
mediawiki so maybe I did something wrong not having used perl much.
I found an webbased converter for html2wiki but when I paste the
result into a mediawiki page some of the links work and some show the
links as html.It might be me not having used mediawiki 'till just now.
I'll persevere for a bit longer.

mick

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Updated extended enfuse and enblend documentation

2009-09-08 Thread michael crane

texi2html was moaning about lines that contain @tie

@tie{}C

maybe it is something to do with that ?
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[hugin-ptx] make problem

2009-08-10 Thread michael crane

hello,
I try to install .I don't have the exact error message to hand but it
was the same in both 0.7 and 0.8 googling for it suggests, from this
list,
add cmake_exe_linker_flags:STRING=-lpthread
to CMakeCache.txt
I do this and make gets to 75% so I think OK I will abort and install 0.8
but there is no CMakeCache.txt in 0.8

adding this string seemed to fix it.
So where do I add it in 0.8 ?

regards

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[hugin-ptx] Re: make problem

2009-08-10 Thread michael crane

2009/8/10 Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com:

 2009/8/10 michael crane mick.cr...@gmail.com:

 hello,
 I try to install .I don't have the exact error message to hand but it
 was the same in both 0.7 and 0.8 googling for it suggests, from this
 list,
 add cmake_exe_linker_flags:STRING=-lpthread
 to CMakeCache.txt
 I do this and make gets to 75% so I think OK I will abort and install 0.8
 but there is no CMakeCache.txt in 0.8

 adding this string seemed to fix it.
 So where do I add it in 0.8 ?

 regards

 mick

 


 Hi,
 you can fix that by passing CMAKE_SHARED_LINKER_FLAGS to cmake. So
 your you will execute cmake as:
 cmake -DCMAKE_SHARED_LINKER_FLAGS=-lpthread -YOUR_OTHER_OPTIONS
 SOURCE_DIRECTORY


Ok thanks.
also I have installed LAPACK but make doesn't seem to find it ?
any suggestion for that ?

regards

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[hugin-ptx] Re: make problem

2009-08-10 Thread michael crane

2009/8/10 Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com:


 It's nothing major, you can use hugin without LAPACK. But if you want
 it, you have to explicitly enable it by passing -DENABLE_LAPACK=YES to
 cmake.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Will Hugin ever catch up to PTGui??

2009-06-04 Thread michael crane

2009/6/4 DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com:

 A lot of what is in PTGui seems to be 'lifted' from Hugin but PTGui is
 more mature.  Don't get me wrong, I like Hugin but wonder if it will
 ever catch up with PTGui.

LOL

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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin and fisheye

2009-04-10 Thread michael crane

2009/4/10 Tom Sharpless tksharpl...@gmail.com:

 Hey Daniel

 1) Helmut did not get sued; only threatened.
 2) Ipix's patent has been found invalid in at least one court of law.
 3) Ipix is dead.

That's what I understood, has something changed ?
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Simple lens calibration

2009-02-25 Thread michael crane

2009/2/25 Oskar Sander oskar.san...@gmail.com:

 the purpose with the calibration foul be to be able to correct
 individual images using Fulla (and maybe directly in Lightroom
 eventually) but also to have a starting value when stitching linear
 panoramas of wreck sites.

Why does it need to be underwater to calibrate ?

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[hugin-ptx] enfuse question

2009-02-09 Thread michael crane

Is this the place to ask enfusiastic questions ?
I would like to know what tweaking can be done to the parameters to enfuse.
I got a better result with
exposure 0.0001
saturation 0.0001
contrast 1

than with
exposure  nothing
saturation nothing
contrast 1

but still the very contrasty patterned area of a flower are chosen but
there are subtle areas of sharpness that are ignored.

how can I help things along with user input ?

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[hugin-ptx] Re: monthly assignment, any interest?

2009-01-25 Thread michael crane

2009/1/25 Dale Beams drbe...@hotmail.com:
 Awesome photo.  I enjoyed it.

it is not very good as a photo.but the technique is not bad
I drilled a hole through the bottom of the monopod tube and put a
threaded bar through that and attached a wire to the bar and to my
finger. by moving the bar I could get the camera to be suspendeded
about the no parallax point thingy.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Release 0.4 of pvQt pano viewer.

2008-12-03 Thread crane

you have to think that it would be done with the technology that was to hand 
at the time, he would spend lots of time with various mirror contraption type 
things aligning sketches until he was happy. I have used rotoscopes, 
epidiascopes, projectors, grant enlargers. living in that time I would 
certainly use all that kind of stuff, that was available to make a drawing

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Release 0.4 of pvQt pano viewer.

2008-11-28 Thread crane

Quoting Bruno Postle [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 These are more of Seb's images, they are actually full 360 degree 
 panoramas:
 
 http://flickr.com/photos/sbprzd/1288172676/
 http://flickr.com/photos/sbprzd/1291236935/


Is Seb here ?
so how exactly did you do that ?
imagine your are speaking to a 6 year old :-)

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Release 0.4 of pvQt pano viewer.

2008-11-27 Thread crane

Quoting Tom Sharpless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I made several such cameras from flatbed document scanners --
 difficult, slow, but very high-res.  A high def video camera is easier
 and faster -- you extract the slit scan with software.

That is very impressive Tom. I never saw a camera like that :-)
Very well done.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Release 0.4 of pvQt pano viewer.

2008-11-26 Thread crane

Quoting Tom Sharpless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 Hi Mick
 
 Here is a very interesting paper on making strip panoramas out of
 ordinary photos taken from multiple viewpoints, written by one of the
 leaders in commercial image processing technology:
 http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/multipano/agarwala_sig06.pdf.
 It was inspired by the work of artist Michael Koller, whose website
 you should study.
 http://www.seamlesscity.com/

I've seen this before. I tried to make one of an Irish street of shops but 
there were cars everywhere and I tried to do it from the pavement in front of 
the shops and I didn't take enough probably it was impossible to stitch.
that was pointed out as an example at the time.




 The slit-scan method is a far easier, hence more popular method.
 Here are some of my favorite examples:
 http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~slitcamera/egindex.htm (whole trains self-
 scanned)
 http://www.danubepanorama.net/en/Main/Showcase (banks of the Danube
 scanned by boat)
 http://www.cs.iupui.edu/~jzheng/RP/Changan/ (a long city street
 scanned by bus)
 http://www.flong.com/texts/lists/slit_scan/  (a wonderful collection
 of slit-scan art)

That last one is brilliant! I need to do some of that.
I've felt a bit flat about photography recently that has cheered me up !

Friends used slit scan in animation. pan a slit across a piece of art work and 
move 
the camera in so that the image is distorted. do this progressively over 
frames and the artwork will spin, kind of thing. was a lot easier with the 
advent of motion controlled rostrums but then computers got smart enough to do 
it themselves.



  As you say, and I never thought about it before, the perspective is right
 from
  the middle of each face of the original photograph and then the
  equirectangular is a blend of the flat images ignoring the perspective. So
 I
  suppose more photos is better for that but I never saw it as been an
 issue.
 
   this is a suitable examplehttp://www.panagito.com/MISC/quorr-abbey2.html
 
  somewhere in there then the perspective should be wrong around the seams (
 I
  think it is 6 photos around ) but I cannot see it.
 
 You can't see it because it isn't wrong.   The whole point of pano
 stitching software is to reshape the separate pictures so they fit
 together perfectly on a sphere, then project the spherical composite
 image back into a flat one.   So you won't see any sign of the
 perspective of the taking lens in a well stitched panorama.  Nor
 will you see any sign of the cube edges in a cubic panorama that is
 being displayed by a properly designed program.  The mapping from cube
 faces to screen is arranged to make it look as if you were viewing
 that spherical image from the inside, with your eye right at the
 center.

I still haven't got this. ( I've never had to think about it because the 
software Just Works )
The camera images that exist have perspective so I seem to think something 
should go wrong at the seams.
I think I need to know how the stitching works. are you saying that the 
rectilinear images are warped in spherical arithmetic and then distorted to 
fit together and then projected back to the flat equirectangular. Is the 
blending done on the equirectangular images ?

  I am not sure if what you imagine is possible just with photography I think
 it
  requires cheating one of the 3 perspective points.
 
 Something like that is one of the main ingredients in the baroque wide
 angle drawing technique.  But there are usually more than 3 vanishing
 points -- and in some areas, just a subtle continuous shift of
 perspective.
 
  Perhaps the old masters just didn't know what they were doing
 :-)http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=hockney+camera+obscurameta=
 
 Hockney is probably right that some old masters used images projected
 by lenses to help them get shapes right -- as do many modern masters.
 But that couldn't possibly have helped Panini -- the lenses of his day
 had terribly narrow fields, and even a Canon 12mm would not have
 showed St Peters the way he drew it.  It is a work of the imagination
 -- his and the viewer's.

the camera lucida uses a prism apperently tho' I never saw one. And the camera 
obscura could be a giant pin hole camera. no need for lenses.

 
 Regards, Tom


cheers

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Release 0.4 of pvQt pano viewer.

2008-11-25 Thread crane

I dunno,
compare this

http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2004/Hockney/large/HockneyMosaic.jpg

to how a perfectly stitched view of the same scene would look.

which would be most intriguing ?

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Release 0.4 of pvQt pano viewer.

2008-11-24 Thread crane

Quoting Tom Sharpless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 PS here's a web view of one Panini:
 http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/frac/ho_52.63.2.htm#

I know what you mean but that perspective looks accurate.

regards]


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Release 0.4 of pvQt pano viewer.

2008-11-24 Thread crane

Quoting Bruno Postle [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 On Mon 24-Nov-2008 at 16:23 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting Tom Sharpless [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  PS here's a web view of one Panini:
  http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/frac/ho_52.63.2.htm#
 
 I know what you mean but that perspective looks accurate.
 
 Yes this is a 'single-point' perspective with the primary point 
 about 25% up from the bottom and about 35% in from the left.
 
 In modern photographic terms it is 'cropped', you could extend the 
 canvas to the left and bottom and get the 'normal' rectilinear view 
 (and then use it as an input photo in hugin to extract a 
 conventional three-point perspective).

I know I have not delved into how this stuff works as i should. Could you 
explain conventional three-point perspective ?

cheers

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