Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-09 Thread stan
Harry,
I followed the instructions described in the Read me folder, shown in red 
below.  The Installer automatically placed the executables in the following 
location: User/Library/Application support/Hugin/Autopano.  However, when I 
started Hugin and went to Preferences the executables are listed as 
Configured, not installed, see the attached screen shot.   How do I get Hugin 
2012.0 to recognize the location that the Installer selected?  I never 
experienced this problem in any of the previous versions of Hugin.
Stan

AutoCP binary Installers for Hugin. 

In this dmg you will you will find:
- an Install ... application that will install the binary or binaries
- and the binary or binaries itself in the Generator folder.

You can either double click the Install..  application or drop
the plugin onto the Install application.

After installtion you can configure the AutoCP generator. You can create 
multiple configurations based on one AutoCP generator.

You start Hugin, you load your images, select the AutoCP generator 
configuration of your choice and click Create Control Points to use the 
plugin.


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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-09 Thread Carl von Einem

Hi Stan,

stan schrieb am 09.11.12 13:35:

Harry,
I followed the instructions described in the Read me folder, shown in
red below.


Make sure you follow all the ReadMe files out there: those coming with 
Hugin and those coming with the CP detectors.



The Installer automatically placed the executables in the
following location: *User/Library/Application support/Hugin/Autopano.
*However, when I started Hugin and went to Preferences the executables
are listed as Configured, not installed, see the attached screen shot.


What you see as Configured, not installed is a part of the description 
of that particular CP detector setting. It's what you see in the list of 
available CP detector settings in the Images tab.


These preset names should give the user a hint that they need to be 
configured. Just double click on it in the Preferences to open a dialog 
window where you can edit everything just as it is mentioned in the 
ReadMe. That's also the place where you can edit the description. Hint: 
just delete  that Configured, not installed part.



How do I get Hugin 2012.0 to recognize the location that the Installer
selected? I never experienced this problem in any of the previous
versions of Hugin.


It's been there for quite some time. And it's one of the rare cases 
where I'd like to use the phrase It's not a problem, it's a feature.



AutoCP binary Installers for Hugin.

In this dmg you will you will find:
- an Install ... application that will install the binary or binaries
- and the binary or binaries itself in the Generator folder.

You can either double click the Install.. application or drop
the plugin onto the Install application.

After installtion you can configure the AutoCP generator. You can create
multiple configurations based on one AutoCP generator.


...means: open the Preferences - CP detectors, click on one setting 
and click on edit




You start Hugin, you load your images, select the AutoCP generator
configuration of your choice and click Create Control Points to use
the plugin.


Carl

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-09 Thread stan
How do you suggest I up load the images, I will change them to JPEG in order to 
keep the size down.  
At the risk of blasphemy I went to Photo merge in PS 5.5, this was tediously, 
creepy, crawly slow (unacceptably, I had time to go up stairs and make a second 
cup of coffee and finished it before PS completed the operation) but PS found 
the CPs and the horizon was flat; the color was good too.
On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Carl von Einem wrote:

 Surrender not accepted for such a simple partial panorama... ;-)
 
 I'm not sure if one can expect good control point detection in the center 
 images of your panorama. Waves are always a changing and yet so similar ;-)  
 I did not use the waves, I manually selected CP features in the rocks.
 For you scenario you'll need some manual alignment via the Fast Preview 
 window. Hope you didn't you zoom during taking the shots? (Did not zoom or 
 otherwise alter the FOV) Make sure they all use the same fov. Did you shoot 
 them handheld? I used a home made NPP on my tripod. Wouldn't be a problem, 
 though.
 
 I also had to tweak the foggy horizon of this panorama and carefully select 
 some CPs manually:
 http://worldwidepanorama.org/wwp_rss/go/n7775  I like the shot, it looked 
 more complicated than mine.
 
 In your case I'd reset all values (Camera and Lens tab) and step by step 
 optimize  while looking for some nasty misplaced CPs. One problem I 
 encountered while manually selecting the CPs was that Hugin kept trying to 
 move them some place other than the feature I selected.
 
 How about uploading the complete project somewhere so someone can have a look 
 at it?
 
 Cheers,
 Carl
 
 stan schrieb am 09.11.12 14:44:
 Carl,
 I surrender!  This is white flag time.
 I got the Autopano-sift to function but it too has trouble
 finding the CPs, even in locations where there is good contrast
 and the CP features are sharp.  As for the result, take a look
 at the attached screen shot, there are no words in English to
 describe this mess.
 Stan
 
 complete (hijacked) thread is here
 https://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx/browse_thread/thread/31ac07859a5ae43a
 
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-09 Thread Carlos Eduardo G. Carvalho (Cartola)
Hi Stan, if you put your images available send the place here to the list.
I also would like to take a look at them.

Cheers,


Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola)
http://cartola.org/360
http://www.panoforum.com.br/



2012/11/9 stan green6...@verizon.net

 How do you suggest I up load the images, I will change them to JPEG in
 order to keep the size down.
 At the risk of blasphemy I went to Photo merge in PS 5.5, this was
 tediously, creepy, crawly slow (unacceptably, I had time to go up stairs
 and make a second cup of coffee and finished it before PS completed the
 operation) but PS found the CPs and the horizon was flat; the color was
 good too.
 On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Carl von Einem wrote:

 Surrender not accepted for such a simple partial panorama... ;-)

 I'm not sure if one can expect good control point detection in the center
 images of your panorama. Waves are always a changing and yet so similar ;-)
  I did not use the waves, I manually selected CP features in the rocks.
 For you scenario you'll need some manual alignment via the Fast Preview
 window. Hope you didn't you zoom during taking the shots? (Did not zoom
 or otherwise alter the FOV) Make sure they all use the same fov. Did you
 shoot them handheld? I used a home made NPP on my tripod. Wouldn't be a
 problem, though.


 I also had to tweak the foggy horizon of this panorama and carefully
 select some CPs manually:
 http://worldwidepanorama.org/wwp_rss/go/n7775  I like the shot, it looked
 more complicated than mine.

 In your case I'd reset all values (Camera and Lens tab) and step by step
 optimize  while looking for some nasty misplaced CPs. One problem I
 encountered while manually selecting the CPs was that Hugin kept trying to
 move them some place other than the feature I selected.


 How about uploading the complete project somewhere so someone can have a
 look at it?

 Cheers,
 Carl

 stan schrieb am 09.11.12 14:44:

 Carl,

 I surrender!  This is white flag time.

 I got the Autopano-sift to function but it too has trouble

 finding the CPs, even in locations where there is good contrast

 and the CP features are sharp.  As for the result, take a look

 at the attached screen shot, there are no words in English to

 describe this mess.

 Stan


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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-09 Thread Carl von Einem

Best is to zip your images together with the project file.

Either from Finder menu 'File' - 'Create Archive' or use use Clean 
Archiver from http://www.sopht.jp/cleanarchiver/ which I prefer since it 
has an option to exclude those .DS-Store and ._* files. They are 
invisible on Mac but typically confuse users on other platforms.


There is a number of free online storage services, some usual suspects 
are mydrive.ch and dropbox.com

Here is a list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services

Cheers,
Carl

stan schrieb am 09.11.12 15:45:

How do you suggest I up load the images, I will change them to JPEG in
order to keep the size down.
At the risk of blasphemy I went to Photo merge in PS 5.5, this was
tediously, creepy, crawly slow (unacceptably, I had time to go up stairs
and make a second cup of coffee and finished it before PS completed the
operation) but PS found the CPs and the horizon was flat; the color was
good too.
On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Carl von Einem wrote:


Surrender not accepted for such a simple partial panorama... ;-)

I'm not sure if one can expect good control point detection in the
center images of your panorama. Waves are always a changing and yet so
similar ;-) I did not use the waves, I manually selected CP features
in the rocks.
For you scenario you'll need some manual alignment via the Fast
Preview window. Hope you didn't you zoom during taking the shots? (Did
not zoom or otherwise alter the FOV) Make sure they all use the same
fov. Did you shoot them handheld? I used a home made NPP on my tripod.
Wouldn't be a problem, though.

I also had to tweak the foggy horizon of this panorama and carefully
select some CPs manually:
http://worldwidepanorama.org/wwp_rss/go/n7775 I like the shot, it
looked more complicated than mine.

In your case I'd reset all values (Camera and Lens tab) and step by
step optimize while looking for some nasty misplaced CPs. One problem
I encountered while manually selecting the CPs was that Hugin kept
trying to move them some place other than the feature I selected.

How about uploading the complete project somewhere so someone can have
a look at it?

Cheers,
Carl

stan schrieb am 09.11.12 14:44:

Carl,
I surrender! This is white flag time.
I got the Autopano-sift to function but it too has trouble
finding the CPs, even in locations where there is good contrast
and the CP features are sharp. As for the result, take a look
at the attached screen shot, there are no words in English to
describe this mess.
Stan


complete (hijacked) thread is here
https://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx/browse_thread/thread/31ac07859a5ae43a

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-09 Thread stan
Carl,
I've given up for now.  
I was able to start at the left and create a fairly decent pano using 6 images. 
 When I added the 7th image the pano folded back on its self.  I then went to 
the right side and created a pano using 6 images, not too bad but it became 
clear that the waves were causing weird results in spite of manually selecting 
the CPs.  I was planning to send the pile garbage to you via DropBox but 
DropBox has locked up my machine.  Bottom line, I will take a new set of shots 
(without waves) and try again later.
Thanks for you help,
Stan


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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-08 Thread Harry van der Wolf
In your Preferences, do you have vertical linefind on? If so, switch it off
and try again please.

Harry

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-08 Thread Harry van der Wolf
2012/11/8 Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com

 In your Preferences, do you have vertical linefind on? If so, switch it
 off and try again please.

 Harry


To give some extra info: vertical linefind was NOT in 2010.4 and appeared
(as far as I can remember in 2011.4). Vertical linefind is really excellent
when making panos with vertical lines in it (I assume you guessed that one
already) like buildings and so on, but gives me headaches in landscapes,
especially if you have not really 90 degree vertical angles like trees. As
hugin tries to morph your images to make them fit, you will immediately get
a distorted hoizon.
Maybe that's happening in your pano even though I don't see a vertical
looking line in your pano apart from maybe the vertical shoulders of
some of the rocks.

Harry

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-08 Thread stan
Harry,
Vertical line was checked I set Preferences to Default.  I deselected Detect 
Vertical Line in Preferences and reran Hugin, Roller Coaster effect remains. 
 CPfind still has trouble founding the Control Points; required some manual 
intervention. Perhaps I should consider reloading Autopano-sift-C or Panomatic?
Thanks,
Stan


On Nov 8, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Harry van der Wolf wrote:

 
 
 2012/11/8 Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com
 In your Preferences, do you have vertical linefind on? If so, switch it off 
 and try again please.
  
 Harry
 
 To give some extra info: vertical linefind was NOT in 2010.4 and appeared (as 
 far as I can remember in 2011.4). Vertical linefind is really excellent when 
 making panos with vertical lines in it (I assume you guessed that one 
 already) like buildings and so on, but gives me headaches in landscapes, 
 especially if you have not really 90 degree vertical angles like trees. As 
 hugin tries to morph your images to make them fit, you will immediately get a 
 distorted hoizon.
 Maybe that's happening in your pano even though I don't see a vertical 
 looking line in your pano apart from maybe the vertical shoulders of some 
 of the rocks.
  
 Harry
 
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-08 Thread Harry van der Wolf
2012/11/8 stan green6...@verizon.net

 Harry,
 Vertical line was checked I set Preferences to Default.  I deselected
 Detect Vertical Line in Preferences and reran Hugin, Roller Coaster
 effect remains.  CPfind still has trouble founding the Control Points;
 required some manual intervention. Perhaps I should consider reloading
 Autopano-sift-C or Panomatic?
 Thanks,
 Stan


 Yes, you can always try that.
They all use different algorithms. one algorithm might work better in one
situation then another.
I can't give you a best solution.

Harry

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-08 Thread stan
Can you give me a hint where to find Autopano-sift-c and panomatic.


On Nov 8, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Harry van der Wolf wrote:

 
 
 2012/11/8 stan green6...@verizon.net
 Harry,
 Vertical line was checked I set Preferences to Default.  I deselected 
 Detect Vertical Line in Preferences and reran Hugin, Roller Coaster 
 effect remains.  CPfind still has trouble founding the Control Points; 
 required some manual intervention. Perhaps I should consider reloading 
 Autopano-sift-C or Panomatic?
 Thanks,
 Stan
 
 
 Yes, you can always try that. 
 They all use different algorithms. one algorithm might work better in one 
 situation then another.
 I can't give you a best solution. 
 
 Harry
 
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-08 Thread Harry van der Wolf
Look inside the dmg. It has a Read Me First.pdf and straight links to the
download site.

Harry

2012/11/8 stan green6...@verizon.net

 Can you give me a hint where to find Autopano-sift-c and panomatic.


   On Nov 8, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Harry van der Wolf wrote:



 2012/11/8 stan green6...@verizon.net

  Harry,
 Vertical line was checked I set Preferences to Default.  I deselected
 Detect Vertical Line in Preferences and reran Hugin, Roller Coaster
 effect remains.  CPfind still has trouble founding the Control Points;
 required some manual intervention. Perhaps I should consider reloading
 Autopano-sift-C or Panomatic?
 Thanks,
 Stan


 Yes, you can always try that.
 They all use different algorithms. one algorithm might work better in one
 situation then another.
 I can't give you a best solution.

 Harry

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-07 Thread stan
Harry,

Thanks for your response.  In your email you mentioned that there was a problem 
with Mountain Lion.  However, I am using OS 10.7.5 (Lion) not 10.8.

I just down loaded 2012.0 and I am not impressed.  I set all of the preferences 
to Default and used CPfind to create a quick-look pano.  After spending 
considerable time manually finding Cps that CPfind was unable to find and then 
moref time in the Control Point Table discarding some badly mismatched control 
points (BTW, I then had to go back and manually select additional Cps) I ended 
up with a quick-look pano that has a horizon that looks like roller coaster.  
When I attempted to create the final pano I encountered a Tiff Library warning 
but ultimately got the final pano.  On the good news side, the color 
rendition across the 13 images is MUCH better with 2012, however, the horizon 
is ugly.   Version 2010.4 created a flat horizon pano with no problems but 
had an ugly color and brightness shift across the scene.  

Do you think that I should go back to 2010.4?

Stan


On Nov 7, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Harry van der Wolf wrote:

 Hi Stan,
 
 
 First of all: Version 2012.0 has just been released and Yesterday evening the 
 2012 bundle has been uploaded. You might just have missed it.
 
 
 When switching from 2010.4 to 2011.4 I assume you didn't read the Read Me 
 First document inside the dmg. It describes that the integrated openmp 
 enabled enblend is not compatible on (Mountain) Lion. You should use the 
 non-openmp version.
 
 In 2011.4 (but also if you use the new 2012.0), you might also try to first 
 to set all preferences to their defaults on all the tabs of the Preferences 
 screen.
 
 And finally: Since 2011.2 cpfind is the high-quality inthegrated control 
 point detector. autopano-sift-C and pan-o-matic are deprecated. Not because 
 they are worse but they are restricted by all kinds of patents.
 
 
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-07 Thread Harry van der Wolf
2012/11/7 stan green6...@verizon.net


 Do you think that I should go back to 2010.4?

 Stan

 No,

I think you should share your pto with us and you should give some
explanation of what source images you use like fisheye or rectilineair, and
what kind of panorama you are try to achieve, like full 360x180, 360 or
partial.

Some setups are more difficult then others.

Harry

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-07 Thread stan
Absolutely set ALL the prefs to default.  I really loved using 2010.4, 2012.0 
not so sure.

On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Carlos Eduardo G. Carvalho (Cartola) wrote:

 Hi Stan,
 
 just to be sure, have you done this step Harry suggested? In 2011.4 (but 
 also if you use the new 2012.0), you might also try to first to set all 
 preferences to their defaults on all the tabs of the Preferences screen.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola)
 http://cartola.org/360
 http://www.panoforum.com.br/
 
 
 
 2012/11/7 stan green6...@verizon.net
 Harry,
 
 
 here is a screen shot of the pano from 2012.0:
 
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 Here is a screen shot of the pano from 2010.4
 
 
 
 
 
 Here is the pto of the 2012.0 effort:
 
 
 The set-up with 2010.4 was effortless, Hugin found all of the Control points 
 and stitched the image with no problem.  The set-up with 2012.0 is driving me 
 crazy, CPfind is having problems finding the control points and the image is 
 self explanatory.
 
 My image source is a Canon 24/105 lens.  I do not use Fisheye.  I guess you 
 would call my desired pano to be about 180 degrees (in this example 13 images 
 wide x 1 image high)
 
 
 Thanks for all your patience and help,
 Stan
 
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
 
 
 
 2012/11/7 stan green6...@verizon.net
 
 
 Do you think that I should go back to 2010.4?
 
 Stan
 
 No,
 
 I think you should share your pto with us and you should give some 
 explanation of what source images you use like fisheye or rectilineair, and 
 what kind of panorama you are try to achieve, like full 360x180, 360 or 
 partial.
 
 Some setups are more difficult then others.
 
 Harry
 
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Hugin 2011.4 giving me fits

2012-11-06 Thread Harry van der Wolf
Hi Stan,


First of all: Version 2012.0 has just been released and Yesterday evening
the 2012 bundle has been uploaded. You might just have missed it.


When switching from 2010.4 to 2011.4 I assume you didn't read the Read Me
First document inside the dmg. It describes that the integrated openmp
enabled enblend is not compatible on (Mountain) Lion. You should use the
non-openmp version.

In 2011.4 (but also if you use the new 2012.0), you might also try to first
to set all preferences to their defaults on all the tabs of the Preferences
screen.

And finally: Since 2011.2 cpfind is the high-quality inthegrated control
point detector. autopano-sift-C and pan-o-matic are deprecated. Not because
they are worse but they are restricted by all kinds of patents.


Harry

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