Re: Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-31 Thread Eckart Koehler
In ISPF all is fine. That's what irritated my colleague. I'll ask him, if
he has solved the problem with the tips of the lists members.

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Re: HMC on z9

2006-01-31 Thread Eckart Koehler
Just another complaint: Has anyone managed to attach a printer to the HMC?
In the old (OS/2) version we had a printer attached to the HMC to get
hardcopies.

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Re: IEA482I ... RC=0C ... CONCURRENT COPY SIDEFILE EXCEEDING LIMITS

2006-01-31 Thread Antonio Cecilio
Hi Bruce and Paul,
thx for your help.
This msg appeared during an XRC session from an HDS USP to an IBM SHARK.
Could we have a cache situation here on HDS side? Not enough cache,
maybe !!!

Many thx, A.Cecilio.

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Re: Wash DC Job Opening

2006-01-31 Thread Jim Marshall

The site says that I need to provide an SF-50 but I could find neither
a link for filling it in online nor a link to a copy that I could
print. What is it and where do I find it? Thanks.


Government employees and ex-goverment types should be acquainted with the
SF-50 or record of personnel action. This form is generated for promotions,
step increases, etc, and has the person's Grade and Step along with what
job they got it for. The employee gets a copy of it and should retain it.
Non-government types applying for a position will need to show, through
education and/or experience, they are equivalent to what is being posted
for that job. Usually the vacancy annoucement has directions for what those
equivalents are.

Ex-government types who might want to get back into government service
sometime in the future should look around to ensure you have one which
shows your latest service grade and information. You never know when you
might want to switch back into the government.

Jim

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Re: POSIX run-time option vs TSO and Batch

2006-01-31 Thread Andy Robertson
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:42:33 -0600, Wendell Simmons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Found the problem.  Thanks to everyone for their input.

The problem is that in the chain of modules being invoked, one of them is
doing a COBOL CALL ISPLINK with a SELECT PGM option.  This distorts the
enclave inheritance for the POSIX ON option for later modules in the
chain.

Later modules will not pick up the POSIX ON from the main enclave module
once an ISPLINK SELECT PGM(???) is invoked.

Solution was to change all programs doing an ISPLINK SELECT PGM(???) to a
normal COBOL CALL.

Thanks again for all of your input.


Glad if any thing we said at least pointed in the right direction!!

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Re: Access to Mainframes via Putty?

2006-01-31 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
The application is TSO, but I tried it , and found that it has a line
mode type display... all in one line until the 80 chars are full ...
etc. so putty did not work for me...

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as400 wrote:
 Is there anyway I can access a Mainframe from Putty? It always asks me
 what application it is on the Putty console screen.
 
 Thanks
 

The answer is maybe.  You need to ask whomever is in charge of the 
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Re: Access to Mainframes via Putty?

2006-01-31 Thread Richard Pinion
It is possible to run ssh under Unix System Services and use Putty to connect 
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Re: SMS No space errors

2006-01-31 Thread William Walsh
Ron,

Since DB2 is doing the allocating under the covers I tried to allocate a
multi-volume dataset via ISPF 3.2 and got this error:
IKJ56893I DATA SET DBCD8S2.ARCHLOG1.JUNK5 NOT ALLOCATED+

IGD17206I VOLUME SELECTION HAS FAILED - THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH VOLUMES

WITH SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR DATA SET


which is different from the original (IGD17279I 1 VOLUMES WERE REJECTED
BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE).  Having said that I can
allocate datasets via ISPF 3.2 letting the ACS routine select the
storage group/storage class and specifying many times more space than
DB2 would be asking for (ARCHPRI).  So, possibly DB2 is doing something
under the covers that is conflicting.

I haven't defined a management class, if that might be the problem do
you know where I can find an example ACS routine or document on how I
would utilize it?

Thanks,
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William,

This is a WAG, but does your STORCLAS have a Guaranteed Space = YES, and
your DATACLAS or UNIT parm in JCL have a UNITCOUNT greater than 1?

Ron

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 I'm relatively new to SMS.  I setup SMS to manage our DB2 archive logs
 via their own Storage Class, Storage Group,  ACS routine.  This was
 working fine when I dynamically activated the SMS configuration.
 However, after our last IPL I had not consistently set all the SCDS,
 ACDS,  COMMDS datasets.  After resolving that I'm finding that SMS 
 DB2 are working significantly differently in this area.  We get this
 sequence of errors:
 

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Re: DFSMSdss REPLACEUNCONDITIONAL vs IDCAMS DELETE

2006-01-31 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Andrew N Wilt wrote:

 The REPLACEUNCONDITIONAL keyword isn't documented in the z/OS v1.4 
 manuals because it was a feature we shipped via SPE (APAR) long after
 z/OS v1r4 was in the field. If you check a current version of the
 publications, say z/OS v1r7, it is documented there.

What does REPLACEUNCONDITIONAL do when the existing data set is 
migrated?  Will it RECALL it?

We are currently converting a large number of VSE JCL streams to a z/OS 
1.6 environment with HSM.  These VSE job streams include hundreds of 
Databack (a Macro4 product) COPY and RESTORE steps which are converted 
to DFSMSdss.  We currently add an IDCAMS DELETE step before each COPY 
or RESTORE to delete the output data sets and prevent COPY and RESTORE 
from failing if the target data set exists already (see example below).  
IDCAMS DELETE will NOT RECALL migrated data sets.

Would it be a good idea to remove the IDCAMS DELETE steps and specify 
REPLACEUNCONDITIONAL instead?

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//DLET1100 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS 
//SYSPRINT  DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSIN DD  * 
 DELETE PSPC.BSM.TL1BKUP.PPCPCIF.INHS 
 DELETE PSPC.BSM.TL2BKUP.PPCPCIF.OTHBK 
 SET MAXCC=0 
/* 
//* 
//* STEP1100  PGM=ADRDSSU 
//* 
//STEP1100 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU 
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSINDD  * 
 COPY - 
   DATASET( - 
 INCLUDE( - 
   PSPC.BSM.TLK.PPCPCIF.INHS - 
   PSPC.BSM.TLK.PPCPCIF.OTHBK - 
)) - 
   SHARE - 
   VOLCOUNT(ANY) - 
   RENUNC( - 
 (PSPC.BSM.TLK.PPCPCIF.INHS,PSPC.BSM.TL1BKUP.PPCPCIF.INHS) - 
 (PSPC.BSM.TLK.PPCPCIF.OTHBK,PSPC.BSM.TL2BKUP.PPCPCIF.OTHBK) - 
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Re: IEA482I ... RC=0C ... CONCURRENT COPY SIDEFILE EXCEEDING LIMITS

2006-01-31 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Antonio,

Did you check Graphtrack to see what the sidefile usage is when the problem
occurs?

Ron

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 LIMITS
 
 Hi Bruce and Paul,
 thx for your help.
 This msg appeared during an XRC session from an HDS USP to an IBM SHARK.
 Could we have a cache situation here on HDS side? Not enough cache,
 maybe !!!
 
 Many thx, A.Cecilio.
 
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Re: HMC on z9

2006-01-31 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

R.S. wrote:
  ... Now it's kind of web pages - different way of serving the 
screens. BTW: even local application is web based.


The new design makes all access, whether local or remote, use the same 
code and interfaces. There is now essentially no technical difference 
between sitting down and using the HMC and connecting to it remotely 
from home. (When your sitting down in front of the machine, you're 
accessing the web server via the loopback IP address.) Similar 
considerations apply to the SE.


But don't kid yourself about the significance of PC CPU speed. If they 
were using the CPUs they used with the ESS (Shark) HMCs, you would 
*not* be happy with the performance.


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Re: Access to Mainframes via Putty

2006-01-31 Thread Steve Wolf
I use Putty to logon to the Rlogin Daemon at port 513.  You must have the
INETD listener running. You security system must support the USS
environment.

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Re: DFSMSdss REPLACEUNCONDITIONAL vs IDCAMS DELETE

2006-01-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Gilbert Saint-Flour said:

 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:36:17 -0500
 
 We are currently converting a large number of VSE JCL streams to a z/OS
 1.6 environment with HSM.  These VSE job streams include hundreds of
 Databack (a Macro4 product) COPY and RESTORE steps which are converted
 to DFSMSdss.  We currently add an IDCAMS DELETE step before each COPY
 or RESTORE to delete the output data sets and prevent COPY and RESTORE
 from failing if the target data set exists already (see example below).
 IDCAMS DELETE will NOT RECALL migrated data sets.
 
 Would it be a good idea to remove the IDCAMS DELETE steps and specify
 REPLACEUNCONDITIONAL instead?
 
TSO DELETE at least is smart in this respect.  It won't RECALL a
migrated data set merely to delete it (Likewise ISPF DSLIST).
In the Bad Old Days it wasn't so nice, and I habitually coded
in EXECs:

address 'TSO' 'HDELETE' DSName
address 'TSO'  'DELETE' DSName

(I don't recall whether HSM requests were processed FIFO, or whether
I needed to do HDELETE WAIT to resolve a race.)

Related thought on automatic RECALL: in DSLIST I enter Info or Browse
on several data sets of which some are migrated.  On entering END on
each, I get WAITING FOR RECALL on the next.  Wouldn't it be nice
if the RECALLs were performed concurrently with my think latency?

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Installing R06 coupling facilities

2006-01-31 Thread Larry Kraus
When installing a stand alone cf, is it necessary to write the IOCDS to
the standalone CF.  I seem to recall that at activation of a standalone
cf, the cf control code is loaded with the installed links brought
online.  Can someone that has implemented a standalone cf verify  the
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Re: Basic question on deleting datasets

2006-01-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ron and Jenny Hawkins said:

 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:29:20 +0800
 
 The old way to kill a bunch of files through a mask was to use DFDSS to back
 up and delete the files, with the output assigned to DUMMY.
 
Yow!  Wasn't that rather I/O intensive?  (I ask even though I often
aver Silicon is cheaper than carbon.)  Or did DFDSS recognize
and optimize the output=DUMMY case?

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Re: Basic question on deleting datasets

2006-01-31 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Rex,

The old way to kill a bunch of files through a mask was to use DFDSS to back
up and delete the files, with the output assigned to DUMMY.

I don't have a sample handy, but I'm sure there should be at least one
Storage Admin with a copy they can post for you.

Ron

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 Subject: Basic question on deleting datasets
 
 Hi.
 
 I'm afraid I'm in a can't see the forest because of the trees
 situation which probably has a very easy answer that I can't see.
 
 I have a disk pack that I need to get a large subset of the datasets off
 it as well as uncataloged.  Is there some way using IDCAMS or DFSMSdss
 to accomplish this using wildcards so I don't have to list each dataset
 separately?  IDCAMS apparently only allows me to use a single-qualifier
 wildcard which won't do it.
 
 Unless somebody has a better idea as how to proceed here.  The situation
 is that we have a training system here that is a clone of our
 production.  On a semi-regular basis we are requested to refresh the
 training system.  The process is to delete the training system datasets
 then use DFSMSdss COPY to copy the datasets from production to training.
 I have tried just using DFSMSdss COPY with REPlace but apparently the
 REPlace parameter of DSS COPY doesn't work with the RENameUnconditional
 because DSS complains about the output datasets already being there.
 
 I don't want to have to list all the datasets individually in IDCAMS
 DELETE statements because that will be a maintenance nightmare.
 
 Environment is z/OS 1.4.
 
 What am I missing?
 
 Rex
 
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Re: Basic question on deleting datasets

2006-01-31 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Gil,

Yesterday Giovanni Bozzetti had given me the same suggestion and I had
the same thought so I did some experimenting.  Here's what I found.  I
created a 3390-3 disk pack 90% utilized with IDMS database files - about
115 datasets on the pack.  I ran the DFDSS DUMP job sending the output
to DD DUMMY (after finding out the hard way that DFDSS COPY won't send
to DUMMY) and the job ran in about 25 seconds, and consumed a total of
682 EXCPs, and .01 minutes TCB time.  This is on a Multiprise 3000 box
and an ancient RVA disk array.

I then put the data back on the pack using DFDSS COPY from a production
pack - actually using SnapShot under the covers.  Putting the data back
took over 4000 EXCPs, .04 minutes TCB, and 1.5 minutes of wall clock.

Running the same DUMP job without the DELETE PURGE yielded 204 EXCPs,
and immeasurable TCB time, as well as running in 2 seconds.  So
apparently it does optimize.

Rex



In a recent note, Ron and Jenny Hawkins said:

 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:29:20 +0800
 
 The old way to kill a bunch of files through a mask was to use DFDSS 
 to back up and delete the files, with the output assigned to DUMMY.
 
Yow!  Wasn't that rather I/O intensive?  (I ask even though I often aver
Silicon is cheaper than carbon.)  Or did DFDSS recognize and optimize
the output=DUMMY case?

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Re: Basic question on deleting datasets

2006-01-31 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Gil,

DFSMSdss is a bit smarter than that. This JCL deleted two datasets using
over 24000 tracks in less than a second.

//HAWKINS0 JOB (ACCT#),'STGADM1',CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), 
// NOTIFY=SYSUID   
//* 
//COPYVOL  EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,REGION=6M   
//TAPE1DD   DUMMY   
//SYSPRINT DD   SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD   *   
  DUMP -
   DATASET(INCLUDE(HAWKINS.NOR1PDB.**))-
   OUTDDNAME(TAPE1) -   
   SPHERE - 
   DELETE PURGE
/* 

Ron



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 Subject: Re: Basic question on deleting datasets
 
 In a recent note, Ron and Jenny Hawkins said:
 
  Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:29:20 +0800
 
  The old way to kill a bunch of files through a mask was to use DFDSS to
 back
  up and delete the files, with the output assigned to DUMMY.
 
 Yow!  Wasn't that rather I/O intensive?  (I ask even though I often
 aver Silicon is cheaper than carbon.)  Or did DFDSS recognize
 and optimize the output=DUMMY case?
 
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Re: Basic question on deleting datasets

2006-01-31 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 1/31/2006 10:41:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The old  way to kill a bunch of files through a mask was to use DFDSS to back
up and  delete the files, with the output assigned to  DUMMY.




I was just wondering, doesn't an easier way exist? Duplexing, Flashcopy, or  
PPRC depending on config and options purchased.

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Re: Sprint backs out of IBM outsourcing deal

2006-01-31 Thread Doug Fuerst
Oh come on. Where will the paranoia stop? You really think someone 
would do that? You must not believe in Santa either! :-)
I don't know of an outsourcing arrangement that ever really worked. 
It may work for a while, then comes the problems, the divorce, and 
back in house it comes. We should change the name to yo-yo sourcing.


Doug


At 12:32 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

One just *has* to wonder if the outsourcing was mostly a ploy to deal
with an out of control culture. You transfer all management to a third
party. Let them 'retrain' the troops. Then you bring it back under new
management with new marching orders.

snip
Subject: Sprint backs out of IBM outsourcing deal

Sprint Scraps Major IT Outsourcing Deal With IBM
TechWeb via Yahoo! News Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:00 PM PST
Sprint is bringing back work and employees it gave to IBM under a
$400 million outsourcing pact and redoing its multibillion-dollar
call-center deal with the IT services firm.

snip


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Re: Basic question on deleting datasets

2006-01-31 Thread Burrell, C. Todd
This is a good example of this without a job card.  The BY operand for
this one hits uncatalogued datasets on a particular volume that are more
than two days old, but you can get rid of the BY operand and just use
INCLUDE and EXCLUDE.  I ALWAYS recommend running with TYPRUN=NORUN first
just in case.  This JCL has bitten me once before.  

//HSMCLEAN EXEC  PGM=ADRDSSU, PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN', 
//  REGION=8M  
//SYSUT2 DD DUMMY  
//SYSU01 DD DISP=SHR,UNIT=SYSDA,VOL=SER=XX
//SYSIN  DD *,DCB=BLKSIZE=80   
 DUMP INDD(SYSU01) -   
 OUTDD(SYSUT2) -   
 DATASET (EXCLUDE (SYS1.**) -  
BY ((CATLG EQ NO) (DSORG NE VSAM) (CREDT,LE,*,-2))) -  
 DELETE
/* 
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=* 
//SYSPRINT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUDUMP  DD DUMMY   

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: Basic question on deleting datasets


Rex,

The old way to kill a bunch of files through a mask was to use DFDSS to
back up and delete the files, with the output assigned to DUMMY.

I don't have a sample handy, but I'm sure there should be at least one
Storage Admin with a copy they can post for you.

Ron

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 Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
 Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2006 3:50 AM
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 Subject: Basic question on deleting datasets
 
 Hi.
 
 I'm afraid I'm in a can't see the forest because of the trees 
 situation which probably has a very easy answer that I can't see.
 
 I have a disk pack that I need to get a large subset of the datasets 
 off it as well as uncataloged.  Is there some way using IDCAMS or 
 DFSMSdss to accomplish this using wildcards so I don't have to list 
 each dataset separately?  IDCAMS apparently only allows me to use a 
 single-qualifier wildcard which won't do it.
 
 Unless somebody has a better idea as how to proceed here.  The 
 situation is that we have a training system here that is a clone of 
 our production.  On a semi-regular basis we are requested to refresh 
 the training system.  The process is to delete the training system 
 datasets then use DFSMSdss COPY to copy the datasets from production 
 to training. I have tried just using DFSMSdss COPY with REPlace but 
 apparently the REPlace parameter of DSS COPY doesn't work with the 
 RENameUnconditional because DSS complains about the output datasets 
 already being there.
 
 I don't want to have to list all the datasets individually in IDCAMS 
 DELETE statements because that will be a maintenance nightmare.
 
 Environment is z/OS 1.4.
 
 What am I missing?
 
 Rex
 
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Re: Ordering HLASM for Linux on zSeries

2006-01-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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I assumed that users like yourself would continue
to use the MVS or VM forms of HLASM.

Doesn't HLA for Linux have facilities that HLA for MVS and VM do not,
e.g., ELF output?
 
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Re: Sprint backs out of IBM outsourcing deal

2006-01-31 Thread Ted MacNEIL
One just *has* to wonder if the outsourcing was mostly a ploy to deal
with an out of control culture. You transfer all management to a third
party. Let them 'retrain' the troops. Then you bring it back under new
management with new marching orders.

A pox on all their houses!

Management sees outsourcing as a quick fix to a pervasive problem.
For about two years, you DO save money. At the expense of services.
Also, the service provider dumbs down the staff by getting rid of the high paid 
(experienced staff).

During the third year, I'm reminded of an old bumper sticker:

Where am I going? And, what am I doing in this hand-basket?

Service declines, drastically! And, costs go up.

Also, the service providers rarely make money on their existing customers.
So, they have to go and leach more companies' IT divisions.

And, off-shoring is the worst of the worst.
Not just the cross-cultural/language issues, but the time-zones make some 
environments unworkable.

I have never been a fan of outsourcing, and I admit I have a bias, since I lost 
my job because of it.
But, I also got my present one because of it.
They had outsourced too much talent, so they didn't know what to ask our 
provider for.

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Splitting SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL

2006-01-31 Thread McKown, John
I am not sure, but there is a possibility that I may want to split
SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL into more specific VOLCATs. Given that
SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL already has a number of volumes defined in it that
I need to have in the new SYS1.VOLCAT.Vx, how do I do that? It looks
like REPRO MERGECAT, but I'm not sure exactly what it should look like.
Any examples out there? And can I get away with it without a subsequent
IPL of the system?

z/OS 1.4 (at a good maintenance level, for once).

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Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-31 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Edward E. Jaffe wrote:
The doc is pretty clear about the requirements and usage of CML lock. 
You must set either PASN or SASN to the ASID of the address space for 
which the CML lock is to be obtained. Granted, the normal way to get 
PASNHASN is to PC-ss into another address space. But that is 
generally not true for the equally-valid SASNHASN case. I just don't 
see how you can so authoritatively state that God intends the CML 
lock to be used _only_ after PC-ss.


I had this feeling the three of us had discussed something similar in 
the past. I searched the IBM-Main archives and found these posts:


http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9910L=ibm-mainP=83854
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9910L=ibm-mainP=90410
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9910L=ibm-mainP=95892
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9910L=ibm-mainP=102220

Back then Greg Dyck was involved as well. He mentioned how holding the 
CML lock can be used to prevent an address space from being swapped out 
while you are accessing it, thus ensuring page faults are handled properly.


Some things never change ... :-)

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What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Kittendorf, Craig
We have some old COBOL programs that CALL 'ILBOSPI0'.  I think the call
may have been required by a debugging product at one time. I'm sure it
is safe to remove, but wondered if anyone remembers why it may have been
coded in the first place?

Thanks,
Craig

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DFSMSdss COPY FULL with Flashcopy V2

2006-01-31 Thread Mark Kliner
We are at z/OS 1.5 and 2105-800 with Flashcopy V2.
I've begun experimenting with DFSMSdss and Flashcopy.
I've encountered a situation which took me by surprise and I'd like another 
perspective.

I ran a DSS Copy step using: FULL, FASTREP(REQ), FCNOCOPY, DUMPCOND to set up a 
FC volume pair between volumeA(source) and volumeB(target).
But instead of following this with a DSS Dump step from volumeB, I mistakenly 
ran another DSS Copy step to set up a FC volume pair between volumeC(source) 
and volumeB(target).
And it worked.  It dropped the pairing between volumeA and volumeB and created 
the pairing between volumeC and volumeB.
I thought that there would be some protection to prevent selecting a target 
volume that was already in a Flashcopy relationship.

Can anyone point me to documentation that states this is WAD? 


Mark Kliner
Systems Programmer
Vision Service Plan
Rancho Cordova, CA


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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: What is ILBOSPI0 ?
 
 
 We have some old COBOL programs that CALL 'ILBOSPI0'.  I 
 think the call
 may have been required by a debugging product at one time. I'm sure it
 is safe to remove, but wondered if anyone remembers why it 
 may have been
 coded in the first place?
 
 Thanks,
 Craig

Looks like some sort of interface to the SPIE macro. I cannot find
anything more. What params are being sent to it? I have a zap-dump of
the module.

No hits on IBMLink, few on Google (and none of any use).

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Re: Basic question on deleting datasets

2006-01-31 Thread Bruce Black
Rex is apparently not an FDR customer, but for completeness, FDRABR 
customers can use our SUPERSCRATCH function to do what he is struggling 
with.  SUPERSCRATCH supports full, flexible dataset name masking.  For 
example,


//SCRATCHEXEC  PGM=FDRABR,REGION=0M
//SYSPRINTDD   SYSOUT=*
//SYSPRIN1DD   SYSOUT=*
//TAPE1   DD   DUMMY
   DUMP TYPE=SCR,ONLVOL
   SELECT   DSN=ABC**,VOLG=TEST
   SELECT   DSN=USER##.*.*,VOLG=TSO 


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Re: Access to Mainframes via Putty?

2006-01-31 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:23:20 -, Van Dalsen, Herbie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The application is TSO, but I tried it , and found that it has a line
mode type display... all in one line until the 80 chars are full ...
etc. so putty did not work for me...
...

It sounds like you accessed the Tn3270 port rather than the Telnet port.
You got a Tn3270 line-mode connection.  Some people here are using Putty
to get to the Unix Telnet server on zOS.  It works fine.

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Ulrich Krueger
Craig,
I can't find what this old module does, but this IBM manual seems to indicate
that if you have the old COBOL/VS or /II version of the code hard-linked into
the loadmodule, you can replace it (and all other ILBO...) with a COBOL/390 - LE
version of the module(s) by the same name. Sample JCL is in Appendix L of this
book.

  COBOL for OS/390  VM Version 2 Release 1
  COBOL for MVS  VM Version 1 Release 2
  Compiler and Run-Time Migration Guide
  Document Number GC26-4764-04

Hope that helps.

Regards,
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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Kittendorf, Craig
Yea, I checked IBMLink and Google also.  I thought it had something to
do with SPIE also which goes along with my thinking it had something to
do with debugging, for example, AbendAid, Xpediter, InterTest, Symdump,
etc.

Thanks,
   Craig

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 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:10 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: What is ILBOSPI0 ?
 
 
 We have some old COBOL programs that CALL 'ILBOSPI0'.  I 
 think the call
 may have been required by a debugging product at one time. I'm sure it
 is safe to remove, but wondered if anyone remembers why it 
 may have been
 coded in the first place?
 
 Thanks,
 Craig

Looks like some sort of interface to the SPIE macro. I cannot find
anything more. What params are being sent to it? I have a zap-dump of
the module.

No hits on IBMLink, few on Google (and none of any use).

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Re: Installing R06 coupling facilities

2006-01-31 Thread R.S.

Larry Kraus wrote:

When installing a stand alone cf, is it necessary to write the IOCDS to
the standalone CF.  


Yes, it is, no doubt. It can be done using standalone IOCP (diskette 
with text version of IOCP) or HCD facility.



I seem to recall that at activation of a standalone
cf, the cf control code is loaded with the installed links brought
online.  Can someone that has implemented a standalone cf verify  the
process.
In fact, it does not depend on CF type. Standalone CF is regular CPC 
with CF LPARs only. The rules are the same as for ICFs. And the rule is 
when the CF LPAR is activated, the CFCC code is being loaded.

In other words CFCC IPL is tied to LPAR activation.

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Kittendorf, Craig
I found that also but I want to get rid of the call completely, not just
replace it.  In all of my own COBOL programs, I've never used the call.

Thanks,
  Craig

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Subject: Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

Craig,
I can't find what this old module does, but this IBM manual seems to
indicate
that if you have the old COBOL/VS or /II version of the code hard-linked
into
the loadmodule, you can replace it (and all other ILBO...) with a
COBOL/390 - LE
version of the module(s) by the same name. Sample JCL is in Appendix L
of this
book.

  COBOL for OS/390  VM Version 2 Release 1
  COBOL for MVS  VM Version 1 Release 2
  Compiler and Run-Time Migration Guide
  Document Number GC26-4764-04

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Ulrich Krueger
Mainframe Systems Services
National Semiconductor Corp.
Santa Clara, CA 95051
Tel:(408)721-8071Fax:(408)721-6526
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Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-31 Thread Craddock, Chris
 
 Back then Greg Dyck was involved as well. He mentioned how holding the
 CML lock can be used to prevent an address space from being swapped
out
 while you are accessing it, thus ensuring page faults are handled
 properly.
 
 Some things never change ... :-)
 

Ah the good old days. I thought the whole discussion seemed to have an
echo.

:-)

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IP Printway Basic Mode

2006-01-31 Thread Richard Pinion
We are running IP Printway in Basic Mode.  When executing the AOPSTART
procedure several OMVS daemons are started.  One of which is AOPSDBD.
From my understanding AOPSDBD is only useful when running in Extended
Mode, but is started automatically regardless of running in Basic or
Extended Mode.

My question/concern is that AOPSDBD appears to be CPU and I/O intensive.
Is there some way to disable AOPSDBD.  Is actually used in Basic Mode and
if it is what is it used for.

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Re: Sprint backs out of IBM outsourcing deal

2006-01-31 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Merritt) writes:
 One just *has* to wonder if the outsourcing was mostly a ploy to
 deal with an out of control culture. You transfer all management to
 a third party. Let them 'retrain' the troops. Then you bring it back
 under new management with new marching orders.

frequently the executive experience for managing IT organization is
totally different than executive experience required for operating the
rest of the business.

this can lead to out of control IT organization. this can also lead to a
very political (and potentially unprofessional) relationship between the
rest of the organization and the IT organization (i.e. lack of binding
legal contracts, inadequate service level agreement contracts, etc).

IT services can also significantly suffer ... if the IT organization is
viewed as purely a cost center ... and people making budget decisions
have little concept about adequate needs for providing quality (and
possibly even necessary) IT service ... vis-a-vis budget allocation for
the rest of the organization.

to some extent this has also accounted for some of the datacenter to
desktop transitions; you turned everybody into their own system
administrator ... initially eliminating dedicated head count in the (IT)
cost center (obviously it cost less if everybody was doing it for
themselves).

other approaches for dealing with some of the issues has been to turn IT
into independent company (moving from an internal cost center to a
profit center)  recent posting regarding the early days of BCS
(boeing computer services):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#40 All Good Things

outsourcing works fairly well during periods of long term stability.
however, in periods of great change ... the ability of an organization
to quickly adapt to changing conditions (agility) can be inhibited by
arms' length legal agreements. Unanticipated and/or rapid changes in IT
services are probably not provided for in the outsourcing contract.
Agility and rapid adaptation frequently also involve some amount of
experimentation aka trying new stuff for the first time; unless you can
perfectly predict the future, not all experimentation regarding unknowns
will be successful.

of course this then always starts down the boyd and ooda-loop path
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html#boyd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html#boyd2

and here is a recent ooda-loop reference somebody forwarded to me
http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/2005/10/doing_the_gover_1.html

boyd's briefs had numerous examples from military history about agility
being deciding factor in conflicts ... with some tying agility to modern
business conflicts

C4 was a 1990 project in the automobile industry that was almost all
IT-related with an attempt to get time from concept to showroom down
from seven years to 18-36 months (putting it on level with foreign
competition). recent posting mentioning auto industry agility
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#23 auto industry
another minor reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#42 IBM 610 workstation computers

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread McKown, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kittendorf, Craig
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 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?
 
 
 Yea, I checked IBMLink and Google also.  I thought it had something to
 do with SPIE also which goes along with my thinking it had 
 something to
 do with debugging, for example, AbendAid, Xpediter, 
 InterTest, Symdump,
 etc.
 
 Thanks,
Craig

Well, I can say that it does NOT have anything do to with those
products. I've used all of them and none of them require a CALL to
ILBOSPI0. That is so old, I will almost bet it is for some old things
such as TSO TEST to trap S0C7's and the like instead of the COBOL
run-time.

Again, are any parameters being used in the CALL? The module itself is
quite small.

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Hal Merritt
Remove from where? It is a supported LE module.  

I am not sure, but I believe it to be related to the SPIE function;
perhaps a way to activate the option. That tracks your memory of it
being debugging related.   

Do these programs depend on getting control back after some abnormal
situations?  

HTH. 

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Subject: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

We have some old COBOL programs that CALL 'ILBOSPI0'.  I think the call
may have been required by a debugging product at one time. I'm sure it
is safe to remove, but wondered if anyone remembers why it may have been
coded in the first place?

Thanks,
Craig

 

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Re: Z890 CF LPAR

2006-01-31 Thread Cathy Taddei
Oh really?  I'm not familiar with the 2086-450 minus 25% model.
According to the aforementioned zSeries 890 and z/OS Reference Guide, you
can put a Coupling Facility in a standard LPAR (i.e., using CPs instead of
ICFs), but whether those CPs are dedicated or shared, IBM software charges
apply.  And if IBM is charging me, you can bet CA, BMC, etc. will be
charging me.

Regards,
Cathy

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
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The down side of using CP's instead of IFL's is that the CPU
capacity used by the Coupling Facility are counted in the total size of the
machine for software licensing purposes.

NOT true!
If you have dedicated CP's to the CF, they don't count.

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Re: Z890 CF LPAR

2006-01-31 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Oh really?  I'm not familiar with the 2086-450 minus 25% model.

... OOPS!

Mind you, I've never used CP's for CF's.
Why would you? The ICF engine is cheaper than a general purpose engine.

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Kittendorf, Craig wrote:

 We have some old COBOL programs that CALL 'ILBOSPI0'.  I think the
 call may have been required by a debugging product at one time. 
 I'm sure it is safe to remove, but wondered if anyone remembers why
 it may have been coded in the first place?

In the VS COBOL for OS/VS environment, CALL 'ILBOSPI0' is the documented 
way for a program to turn SPIE on or off and is used in conjunction 
with SYMDMP, STATE and FLOW.  I have a copy of the sub-routine library 
program logic in which ILBOSPI0 is described.  With more recent COBOL 
compilers and LE, I don't know what it does.  

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Re: DFSMSdss COPY FULL with Flashcopy V2

2006-01-31 Thread Andrew N Wilt
Mark,
  I looked through our publications for a specific mention of what you
would like to have documented and couldn't find one. I will see about
getting
it included in the next round of publications.
  I would like to take the opportunity to share our rationale and
accept
your feedback on it. In this particular scenario, you have requested
DFSMSdss
to take the image or contents of your source volume and write it to your
target
volume. The contents of the target volume for a full volume copy has been
tradtionally considered as unwanted. (If you wanted it you wouldn't have
used it as the target for the copy.) Likewise, if the target volume is in a
FlashCopy
relationship where it is the target of the relationship, then you must not
be
interested in keeping the relationship since that is equivalent to keeping
the
original contents of the target volume. Therefore, it is assumed to be
acceptable for the relationship to be removed so that the copy can proceed.
If
you think about it, had you specified FR(NONE) on the second COPY FULL, we
would have used normal I/O and the target volume would again not be in a
FlashCopy relationship with the original volume A.
  We didn't want to force users to have to manually remove the
FlashCopy
relationship when they wanted to use that target volume as the target of
many
different source volumes (dumping them in between or otherwise not needing
the data on the target volume).

Thanks,

 Andrew Wilt
 IBM DFSMSdss Architecture/Development


IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/31/2006
01:23:21 PM:

 I ran a DSS Copy step using: FULL, FASTREP(REQ), FCNOCOPY, DUMPCOND
 to set up a FC volume pair between volumeA(source) and volumeB(target).
 But instead of following this with a DSS Dump step from volumeB, I
 mistakenly ran another DSS Copy step to set up a FC volume pair
 between volumeC(source) and volumeB(target).
 And it worked.  It dropped the pairing between volumeA and volumeB
 and created the pairing between volumeC and volumeB.
 I thought that there would be some protection to prevent selecting a
 target volume that was already in a Flashcopy relationship.

 Can anyone point me to documentation that states this is WAD?


 Mark Kliner
 Systems Programmer
 Vision Service Plan
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Re: Z890 CF LPAR

2006-01-31 Thread Cathy Taddei
Well, one reason why is that I only want to bring up my CF LPAR in case of
an extended outage on my external CF.

We investigated all kinds of combinations and permutations, one of them
being to upgrade our 2086-450, having 4 engines and 650 mips, to 2 engines
and 700 mips, and convert one of the spare engines to an ICF.  The charge
for converting a PU from CP to ICF was over $100k.  The cost of a used z900
CF is slightly over $100k.  We decided the cost of a couple of sysplex
timers was worth it to not have to give up 2 engines and the parallelism
that they enable.

Regards,
Cathy

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh really?  I'm not familiar with the 2086-450 minus 25% model.

... OOPS!

Mind you, I've never used CP's for CF's.
Why would you? The ICF engine is cheaper than a general purpose engine.

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Kittendorf, Craig
I would like to remove the call from the COBOL program source.  The
programs do not depend on getting control after abnormal situations and
do not use the IBM COBOL options such as SYMDUMP, TRACE, FLOW, TEST,
etc.

Craig

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Remove from where? It is a supported LE module.  

I am not sure, but I believe it to be related to the SPIE function;
perhaps a way to activate the option. That tracks your memory of it
being debugging related.   

Do these programs depend on getting control back after some abnormal
situations?  

HTH. 

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Kittendorf, Craig
The programs do not use the IBM COBOL options such as SYMDUMP, TRACE,
FLOW, etc.  These programs are very old and have just re-surfaced.  I
thought it might be for some external produce to set a trap many, many,
many years ago.

Craig

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 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
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 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:46 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?
 
 
 Yea, I checked IBMLink and Google also.  I thought it had something to
 do with SPIE also which goes along with my thinking it had 
 something to
 do with debugging, for example, AbendAid, Xpediter, 
 InterTest, Symdump,
 etc.
 
 Thanks,
Craig

Well, I can say that it does NOT have anything do to with those
products. I've used all of them and none of them require a CALL to
ILBOSPI0. That is so old, I will almost bet it is for some old things
such as TSO TEST to trap S0C7's and the like instead of the COBOL
run-time.

Again, are any parameters being used in the CALL? The module itself is
quite small.

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Re: POSIX run-time option vs TSO and Batch

2006-01-31 Thread Bill Manry
On 19 Jan 2006 11:19:08 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wendell Simmons) 
wrote:

I have a C application that uses Unix Services and therefore has to run
with POSIX ON - logic has been added to the C program to display the
setting of the POSIX option.

I know this is resolved, but I'm curious about the foregoing.  Most UNIX
services are available regardless of the LE POSIX option.  Are you sure you
need POSIX(ON)?

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SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
Lately I was testing a service installation containing
++ZAP MCS and receiving inexplicable verify failures.
I also noticed multiple COMPRESSes to recover from
SE37-04 ABENDs.  I started with the problem I knew how
to solve, and increased the load library allocations.
To my surprise, the ZAP verify problem vanished.

So, I wonder, does AMASPZAP update load modules in
place (somehow I had got the belief it does so), or
use conventional QSAM techniques and rewrite and STOW?
Essentially, can AMASPZAP cause a SE37 ABEND?

If AMASPZAP causes a SE37 ABEND, an attempt to recover
by COMPRESS and retry is largely futile.  Some modules
will remain in their original state at the instant of
ABEND; others modified by the ZAP.  The latter will get
verify errors on the retry.  The only way to avoid the
problem is to perform the ZAPs one module at a time.
If it succeeds, fine.  If SE37 occurs, the directory will
still contain the unmodified module and retry is possible.

Or have I completely misunderstood the source of the
verify errors?  If so, I'm puzzled at where they originated
and why the vanished coincidentally with resolution of
the out-of-space problem.

Thanks,
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Re: POSIX run-time option vs TSO and Batch

2006-01-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Bill Manry said:

 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:25:10 -0800
 
 I know this is resolved, but I'm curious about the foregoing.  Most UNIX
 services are available regardless of the LE POSIX option.  Are you sure you
 need POSIX(ON)?
 
Doesn't the POSIX setting affect the resolution of pathnames?
where normally fopen(FRED) refers to a file relative to the
current working directory, with POSIX(OFF) it refers instead
to a DDNAME?  Admittedly, this is CRTL behavior, not connected
to availability of UNIX services, yet the difference can be
critical.

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Re: Sprint backs out of IBM outsourcing deal

2006-01-31 Thread Ed Gould

On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:


One just *has* to wonder if the outsourcing was mostly a ploy to deal

with an out of control culture. You transfer all management to a third
party. Let them 'retrain' the troops. Then you bring it back under new
management with new marching orders.

A pox on all their houses!

-SNIP-

Ted,

A reasonably large bank is going through being out sourced. First it  
was tried internally then the actual outsouce to India is going to  
occur. There will be a flood on the market (in Chicago) of IT talent.


The in sourcing was a smoke and mirrors (from what I was told).

The politics was (from what I was told) between Dutch and American  
companies was pretty nasty.


Ed

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IBM Tweaks DB2 Workload Pricing

2006-01-31 Thread Ed Gould

. IBM Tweaks DB2 Workload Pricing

It was only a matter of time. Eighteen months ago, IBM
announced zAAP, a special zSeries processor engine for J2EE
workloads. Last week, Big Blue did the same thing for
database workloads, announcing a new z9 Integrated
Information Processor (zIIP) for its flagship mainframe
systems.

**Read this story online:
http://info.101com.com/default.aspx?id=22826

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Re: What is ILBOSPI0 ?

2006-01-31 Thread Ed Gould

On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Kittendorf, Craig wrote:


The programs do not use the IBM COBOL options such as SYMDUMP, TRACE,
FLOW, etc.  These programs are very old and have just re-surfaced.  I
thought it might be for some external produce to set a trap many,  
many,

many years ago.

Craig


Craig,

I would recompile the programs and see if the same module extern  
shows up. If it does you could get the offcet and look at the source  
and see (possibly) why the cobol subroutine is being called.


Ed



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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:46 PM
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Yea, I checked IBMLink and Google also.  I thought it had  
something to

do with SPIE also which goes along with my thinking it had
something to
do with debugging, for example, AbendAid, Xpediter,
InterTest, Symdump,
etc.

Thanks,
   Craig


Well, I can say that it does NOT have anything do to with those
products. I've used all of them and none of them require a CALL to
ILBOSPI0. That is so old, I will almost bet it is for some old things
such as TSO TEST to trap S0C7's and the like instead of the COBOL
run-time.

Again, are any parameters being used in the CALL? The module itself is
quite small.

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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Arthur T.
On 31 Jan 2006 16:35:27 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Lately I was testing a service installation containing
++ZAP MCS and receiving inexplicable verify failures.
I also noticed multiple COMPRESSes to recover from
SE37-04 ABENDs.  I started with the problem I knew how
to solve, and increased the load library allocations.
To my surprise, the ZAP verify problem vanished.

So, I wonder, does AMASPZAP update load modules in
place (somehow I had got the belief it does so), or
use conventional QSAM techniques and rewrite and STOW?
Essentially, can AMASPZAP cause a SE37 ABEND?


 I can't speak to your verify problem(s), but I *may* 
have the reason for your SE37 problem.


 AMASPZAP, indeed, does the update in place.  However, 
you're not necessarily running *just* AMASPZAP.  SMP ++ZAP 
can do an expand zap wherein it makes a CSECT (and 
therefore the LMOD) larger and zaps both the original area 
and the expanded area.  AMASPZAP can't change the size of a 
module, so SMP also calls LKED (or the BINDER), leading to 
the possibility of running out of space.


 You might want to see if the APARs causing E37s 
specify expand zaps. 


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IBM 3482 Terminal Config

2006-01-31 Thread Deb Carnes
Hello Gentle Listeners~
I have been trying to find GA18-7095 IBM InfoWindow* II 3482 User's
Guide to no avail.  SI thought I'd post what we're trying to
accomplish  and hope one of you might be able to remember how to configure
an InfoWindow terminal!!

We would like the IBM 3482's sessions to be equivalent to its predecessor
an IBM 3472:
Session Device Address   Size  Purpose
 A   05A0   32 x 80 Alt Console
 B   05A8   32 x 80TSO
 C   05A9   27 x 132   TSO
 D   05AA   32 x 80TSO

(Please ~ no commentary on the size of the alternative console, or the
virtues of 2074s.  Sometimes shops run old stuff for very good reasons.)

Go Seahawks!
Very Kind Regards~
Deb

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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Skip Robinson
I'm surprised as well that ZAPs--which I thought overwrote blocks in
place--would lead to x37 problems. But I would rather comment on a problem
behind the stated problem: delivering vendor-supplied fixes as ZAPs rather
than CSECT replacements.

My view as a customer is that 'permanent' product maintenance ought to be
delivered in ++MOD format. ZAPs should be relegated strictly to APAR fixes:
emergency workarounds that alleviate pain in the short term while a module
revision is being developed and packaged. IBM, for example, almost never
ships a ++ZAP in a PTF. Other vendors do so for reasons that are equally
mysterious and suspect. I say 'suspect' because I fear that the motive is
to create an follow-your-taste smorgasbord of 'fixes' that the customer can
choose to install or not depending on...well, on what? How can a fix be
optional? If there's a problem, it needs a fix. If there's not a problem,
then something else may be in order. A usermod maybe. But not a PTF.

The power of this platform lies in good measure on a single path to glory.
IBM doesn't have to preach righteousness and hope for spirit to move us.
SMP/E enforces the straight and narrow. In order to install PTF C you must
first (or concurrently) install PTFs A and B. Violating this stricture is a
serious transgression. Consequently every customer with PTF C is running in
a known environment. The customer can expect a certain result, and if
there's a problem, IBM can diagnose and test in a duplicate environment.
That consistency benefits everybody.

So, as interested as I am in an informed answer to the ZAP question, I'm
far more interested in urging vendors to deliver PTFs that install
serially. In other words, successive element updates that lead everyone in
the same direction at the same pace. I don't trust ZAPs to fulfill that
hope.

.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/31/2006
04:35:05 PM:

 Lately I was testing a service installation containing
 ++ZAP MCS and receiving inexplicable verify failures.
 I also noticed multiple COMPRESSes to recover from
 SE37-04 ABENDs.  I started with the problem I knew how
 to solve, and increased the load library allocations.
 To my surprise, the ZAP verify problem vanished.

snip

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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Ed Gould

On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:34 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
SNIP---



So, as interested as I am in an informed answer to the ZAP  
question, I'm

far more interested in urging vendors to deliver PTFs that install
serially. In other words, successive element updates that lead  
everyone in
the same direction at the same pace. I don't trust ZAPs to fulfill  
that

hope.

-SNIP


Skip,

I agree with you, but I also see quite a few vendors to the ZAP. a  
*LONG* time ago I screwed up a zap on Syncsort. I admit freely it was  
my error. This caused at least 2 addition phone calls for support to  
the vendor.


I think its in the best interest of the vendor to supply replacement  
mods, especially with the INTERNET speed. I am not sure I want to  
talk about the side issue of security. Yes that needs to be addressed  
(somehow). I would like to hear how others might address that issue.


Ed

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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:34:14 -0800, Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm surprised as well that ZAPs--which I thought overwrote blocks in
 place--would lead to x37 problems. But I would rather comment on a problem
 behind the stated problem: delivering vendor-supplied fixes as ZAPs rather
 than CSECT replacements.

There were many PTFs involved.  The primary E37s may have come from module
replacements with the ZAP verify failures collateral damage.

 SMP/E enforces the straight and narrow. In order to install PTF C you must
 first (or concurrently) install PTFs A and B. Violating this stricture is a

Not quite so simple.  Unrelated PTFs may have no declared dependencies,
and the customer is free (and often prefers) to take the smorgasbord
approach.

 So, as interested as I am in an informed answer to the ZAP question, I'm
 far more interested in urging vendors to deliver PTFs that install
 serially. In other words, successive element updates that lead everyone in
 the same direction at the same pace. I don't trust ZAPs to fulfill that
 hope.

I agree wholeheartedly and my recent experience strengthens the conviction
we share.  Alas, in this instance we are not the Primary Vendor, but a
redistributor, so the choice is not ours.  In fact, the Primary Vendor
elects not to deal in SMP/E at all.  They ship us zaps, which we repackage
as PTFs.  They have a line of products well known, respected, widely
used, and with scarce alternatives; the sort of concern to which it is
impossible to say with credibility, Package in SMP/E or we'll take our
custom elsewhere.

Nonetheless, I've entertained the idea of applying the zaps locally,
delinking, and redistributing the affected CSECTs as ++MOD elements.
Subject to a determination by OCC that this violates no anti-reverse-
engineering clauses.

Know of any good delinkers at cbttape.org?

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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:38:08 -0600, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think its in the best interest of the vendor to supply replacement
 mods, especially with the INTERNET speed. I am not sure I want to
 talk about the side issue of security. Yes that needs to be addressed
 (somehow). I would like to hear how others might address that issue.

Transmit a SHA-1 checksum by whatever channel you now deem sufficiently
secure.  This will satisfy the security concerns of practically anyone
except John G.  The most recent report of SHA-1 collisions I heard last
summer was about O(2^63); I've seen no reviews of the more recent New
Scientist article John G. mentions.  I believe the greatest concern
remains masquerading, not preimaging.

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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Arthur T.
On 31 Jan 2006 20:42:00 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Gilmartin) wrote:


Nonetheless, I've entertained the idea of applying the 
zaps locally,
delinking, and redistributing the affected CSECTs as ++MOD 
elements.
Subject to a determination by OCC that this violates no 
anti-reverse-

engineering clauses.

Know of any good delinkers at cbttape.org?


 The last delinker I used was DELINK0, the OS/360 
utility (as preserved on CBT).  As I recall, I had to zap 
it to allow it to handle the size of XA's IEANUC01.  I see 
that CBT now has a much more modern DELINKI (file 90), but 
I've never used it.


 In a production shop, you shouldn't ACCEPT ZAPs.  In 
your case, though, you might want to build DLIBs into which 
you ACCEPT the ZAP maintenance.  Then, the DLIB should have 
the updated CSECTS as MOD elements.  You can pull them out 
by hand, or get help from the GENERATE command.


 Not that I've tried the above, mind you.  You'd want 
to do significant testing and comparing of modules to 
verify that the technique works (if you actually try it, 
that is). 


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Re: Access to Mainframes via Putty?

2006-01-31 Thread Chris Mason
Pat,

Probably it's conventional to specify one port in order to use TELNET for
access to non-USS applications such as TSO and CICS and specify another port
in order to use TELNET for access to USS. Naturally the device type
selected for the former is one of the 3270 device types and the emulator
then presents a 3270 appearance while the device type for the latter allows
the emulator to give the appearance of traditional UNIX TELNET - I guess -
I've not had the experience of accessing USS this way.

However, the impression shouldn't be given that the port where the 3270
device type is used is exclusively TN3270(E). It is possible to use TELNET
on the same port with the device type for line-by-line use where the
TELNET server logic maps to the data flow of a 3767 so that TSO or CICS (or
whatever) operate as though the session partner were using LU 1 without
function management headers.

I guess I'm being finicky :-)

Would such a line-by-line connection/session ever be useful? Comparing with
NetView Terminal Access Facility (TAF), the human user obviously prefers
3270 (full screen) access but automation requires line-by-line access. Is
there an opportunity for automation via TELNET under certain circumstances
perhaps where a line-by-line connection/session would be used?

Actually - if I was being really, really pedantic - I could point out that
there's no such thing as Tn3270 line-mode. Perhaps it's as well to get
that commented on before anyone else might happen to spot it :-)

Incidentally, if the convention were rather to use different VIPAs - as you
mentioned in a post somewhere recently - instead of different ports, the
traditional TELNET port 23 could be used for both TELNET servers.

Chris Mason

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From: Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Access to Mainframes via Putty?


 On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:23:20 -, Van Dalsen, Herbie
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The application is TSO, but I tried it , and found that it has a line
 mode type display... all in one line until the 80 chars are full ...
 etc. so putty did not work for me...
 ...

 It sounds like you accessed the Tn3270 port rather than the Telnet port.
 You got a Tn3270 line-mode connection.  Some people here are using Putty
 to get to the Unix Telnet server on zOS.  It works fine.

 Pat O'Keefe

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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 22:38 -0600 on 01/31/2006, Ed Gould wrote about Re: SMP/E SE37 
Retry and ++ZAP:


I think its in the best interest of the vendor to supply replacement 
mods, especially with the INTERNET speed. I am not sure I want to 
talk about the side issue of security. Yes that needs to be 
addressed (somehow). I would like to hear how others might address 
that issue.


Digitally sign the fix. When you buy the product you are supplied 
with the Public Signing Key to verify any fixed transmitted via the 
Internet. You just use it to verify the supplied digital signature 
that came with the fix code.


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Re: SMP/E SE37 Retry and ++ZAP

2006-01-31 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 17:35 -0700 on 01/31/2006, Paul Gilmartin wrote about SMP/E SE37 
Retry and ++ZAP:


If AMASPZAP causes a SE37 ABEND, an attempt to recover by COMPRESS 
and retry is largely futile.


Only the second and subsequent compresses. The first one may find 
gas/free-space in the library more than the size of the load module 
in question - IOW: After the initial compress you will have recovered 
enough room to save a new copy of the load module. OTOH: You can just 
go PDSE and never need to compress since all of the free space is 
available and there is no gas and also room for expansion.


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Re: SMS No space errors

2006-01-31 Thread Ambat Ravi Nair
DB2 is just another application, requesting space.

DB2 does have the concept of having its own storage group; if you have
specific volsers defined to this group, and along with a STORCLAS that
has GS on, those targetted volumes may not have sufficient space even
though the storage group they're in have plenty of room ...

for a start, identify all your SMS constructs (DC, MC, SC, SG) and go
through their filter lists.


- ravi.


On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:35:29 -, William Walsh
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Ron,

Since DB2 is doing the allocating under the covers I tried to allocate a
multi-volume dataset via ISPF 3.2 and got this error:
IKJ56893I DATA SET DBCD8S2.ARCHLOG1.JUNK5 NOT ALLOCATED+

IGD17206I VOLUME SELECTION HAS FAILED - THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH VOLUMES

WITH SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR DATA SET


which is different from the original (IGD17279I 1 VOLUMES WERE REJECTED
BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE).  Having said that I can
allocate datasets via ISPF 3.2 letting the ACS routine select the
storage group/storage class and specifying many times more space than
DB2 would be asking for (ARCHPRI).  So, possibly DB2 is doing something
under the covers that is conflicting.

I haven't defined a management class, if that might be the problem do
you know where I can find an example ACS routine or document on how I
would utilize it?

Thanks,
www


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William,

This is a WAG, but does your STORCLAS have a Guaranteed Space = YES, and
your DATACLAS or UNIT parm in JCL have a UNITCOUNT greater than 1?

Ron

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