Re: zIIP processor

2006-05-17 Thread Marian Gasparovic

Only SRB enclaves. And I am not sure if details were published how to do this.

On 5/18/06, Miklos Szigetvari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi

For cusomers, busniess partners.
How can I schedule my SRB code in zIIP?
(if I understand correctly)

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Miklos Szigetvari wrote:
> Hi
>
> If  someone knows about any plan to exploit the zIIP for external 's
>

External what?

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Re: zIIP processor

2006-05-17 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi 

For cusomers, busniess partners.
How can I schedule my SRB code in zIIP?
(if I understand correctly)

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Miklos Szigetvari wrote:
> Hi
> 
> If  someone knows about any plan to exploit the zIIP for external 's
> 

External what?

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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

Diehl, Gary (MVSSupport) wrote:

Otherwise, you have to manually do the =3.4 or listcat yourself, get the
full name, and allocate it yourself using the full name, which usually
requires a JCL edit prior to submission.


That used to be true, but these days the SVC 99 control block has a flag 
that specifies that the relative number of the current request apply to 
the current generation, rather than the one existing at the start; e.g., 
a repeated request for +1 with the flag set will produce successive 
generations, and (0) will always retrieve the latest extant data set.


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: Google is full

2006-05-17 Thread Russell Witt
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> today is special - the CEO has admitted that the grand distributed PC
> approach hasn't worked.

Not to be pedantic, but the definition of "worked" depends on what your
requirements are. Google seems (to me) to work pretty well for my
purposes and it is easily a better index of most online content than the
sites that provide that content. By way of proof, I offer the IBM pubs
site :-)

No two Google searches give the same results, but the degree of overlap
in the first page or so is fairly impressive. I rarely wander past the
first few hits anyway unless I am being really picky - and I can save
search results anyway. 

Would my life change in any meaningful way if the search was
reproducible, particularly as each search is absurdly fast? Making it
reproducible would almost certainly make it orders of magnitude slower.
And what would it cost the company (Google) to make it so?

Now if I was checking a bank balance, I'd be a whole lot more concerned
about reproducibility - and I'd be using a completely different style of
system and programming methodology. It's horses for courses.

> http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/34147.htm
> 
> "Huge machine crisis"?  Is there a zSeries salesman in the room?

It'd be nicer if that link didn't take you straight to a login screen.
Wanna give us the reader's digest version of the supposed problem?

CC

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Re: Sending CONSOLE/SYSLOG To Off-Mainframe Server

2006-05-17 Thread Doc Farmer
Well, since I'm the guy doing security, I'm going to dodge the FUD factor here. 
 Console/Syslog routing to an internal server doesn't concern me all that much 
from a security standpoint, especially considering that access to the 
segregated server will be strictly limited/controlled, and the server itself 
would be hardened.  I don't think I would send SMF records the same way, 
primarily because of the bandwidth issue you mentioned.  Console/Syslog 
wouldn't hit more than 100/sec at its peak, and would only "pulse" the log 
entries as they occur.
 
Mainly I'm looking for a straightforward process (but still secured - perhaps 
through SSH?) to transfer the log in a "live" format (instead of a daily batch 
dump).  For example, what do I add to CONSOLxx?  Do I need to open a USS 
service or started task (or both) to pass the data along?  Where do I put this 
in the IPL/startup stream?  That kind of stuff.
 
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 19:51:40 -0500, Doc Farmer wrote:

>How do you route Console or Syslog messages to an off-mainframe server
>(Unix or Windows)?  Some of our techies here want to consolidate various
>logs from different platforms, and they don't want to do a dataset
>transfer in batch mode but a message-to-message (live) data transfer.  (I
>know that SMF will need to be batch, but I think we can live with that
>one...)

Doc, 

I have ALWAYS wanted to do exactly that for some customer (or employer) but 
couldn't get over the security hump (or the FUD hump as the case may be).  
I would have used IP, and would have encrypted if the traffic went into 
the "wild" (big "I" Internet).  It would be fun to develop and watch at 
first (then it would put you to sleep pretty quickly, I'd guess).  

I'll be interested in hearing your experiences if you get it off the 
ground.  You certainly could send console/syslog traffic as well as SMF but 
you might need to be sure your bandwidth was generous and you'll also need 
some "big spongy buffers" on the sending side for the cases, no doubt, 
where the bandwidth is underestimated.  (Network engineers are never right 
and often understate the real-world usage.)  

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Re: Sending CONSOLE/SYSLOG To Off-Mainframe Server

2006-05-17 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Wed, 17 May 2006 19:51:40 -0500, Doc Farmer wrote:

>How do you route Console or Syslog messages to an off-mainframe server
>(Unix or Windows)?  Some of our techies here want to consolidate various
>logs from different platforms, and they don't want to do a dataset
>transfer in batch mode but a message-to-message (live) data transfer.  (I
>know that SMF will need to be batch, but I think we can live with that
>one...)
 
Doc, 
 
I have ALWAYS wanted to do exactly that for some customer (or employer) but 
couldn't get over the security hump (or the FUD hump as the case may be).  
I would have used IP, and would have encrypted if the traffic went into 
the "wild" (big "I" Internet).  It would be fun to develop and watch at 
first (then it would put you to sleep pretty quickly, I'd guess).  
 
I'll be interested in hearing your experiences if you get it off the 
ground.  You certainly could send console/syslog traffic as well as SMF but 
you might need to be sure your bandwidth was generous and you'll also need 
some "big spongy buffers" on the sending side for the cases, no doubt, 
where the bandwidth is underestimated.  (Network engineers are never right 
and often understate the real-world usage.)  
 
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Re: Problem with Ethernet adapter running large ftp or jdbc application on FLEX-ES box

2006-05-17 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
The CODE 102 on the IST1578I message indicates that it is a possible 
hardware problem and that the hardware vendor should be contacted.


This is what is causing the EZZ4310I message.

Jim McAlpine wrote:
I sent the post below to the FLEX-ES list but I  have copied it here 
just in

case anyone has any bright ideas.

When we run large ftp or jdbc app we get the following sequence on 
errors on
our z/OS 1.4 system and the adapter invariable shuts down after 
recovering a

few times -

EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4314I INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1, LINK ETH1LINK
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4314I INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1, LINK ETH1LINK
EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4314I INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1, LINK ETH1LINK
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4305I UNABLE TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4307I REASON: ERROR ENCOUNTERED AFTER REACTIVATION
EZZ4315I DEACTIVATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1

We also have a z/OS 1.2 instance which displays similar symptoms but which
invariably manages to go throuigh recovery enough times and not shut down
the interface.
I say this because the messages might indicate a hardware error but both
instances have a different interface.  This leads me to think that it is
either a Flex-es problem or a configuration problem that I have got wrong
with both instances of tcpip.  I have checked all apars that
describe problems with the error code 80100044 and none of them are
applicable to our system except those where I have applied the ptfs.

Anyone seen this before.  I'm nearly at the hair pulling stage.

Jim McAlpine



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Re: zIIP processor

2006-05-17 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.

Miklos Szigetvari wrote:

Hi

If  someone knows about any plan to exploit the zIIP for external 's



External what?

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Re: ISPF - CS

2006-05-17 Thread Dave Salt

WSA is alive? Excellent, you just made my day!

Thanks Sam, and thanks IBM!

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:43:07 -0400

Hi,

The follow-up is that APAR OA16533 has been opened for the issue I
reported with using WSCON with system symbols in use in TCPDATA.

APAR Identifier .. OA16533  Last Changed  06/05/17
  WSCON FAILS IF SYSTEM SYMBOLS USED IN TCPDATA
 
 ERROR DESCRIPTION:
  Invoking the WSCON ISPF command to use WSA fails with messages:
  LSCX111
  LSCX476
  LSCX478
  LSCX471
  Their TCPDDATA file uses system symbols but they are not
  supported in the current runtime libraries.


The problem appears to be in the Release 6.5 SAS/C runtime library
shipped with ISPF.
I already agreed to a FIN closure though that is up to the ISPF
development team.  It would appear that WSA is alive and well:-) As they
pointed out in  the already published z/OS R8 Preview announcement:

The ISPF workstation connect program WSCON will be designed to
auto-discover the IP address of the connected TN3270 workstation and use
this address to establish a session with the Workstation Agent. This is
expected to improve usability, because you will no longer need to be
aware of your IP address or enter it on the Initiate Workstation
Connection panel to establish a session.

ISPF client/server code will be converted to use the IBM C/C++ run-time
libraries, which can help reduce the number of C run-time libraries in
use on your system. Also, some performance improvement is expected.

Best Regards,

Sam Knutson, GEICO
Performance and Availability Management
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Sending CONSOLE/SYSLOG To Off-Mainframe Server

2006-05-17 Thread Doc Farmer
How do you route Console or Syslog messages to an off-mainframe server 
(Unix or Windows)?  Some of our techies here want to consolidate various 
logs from different platforms, and they don't want to do a dataset 
transfer in batch mode but a message-to-message (live) data transfer.  (I 
know that SMF will need to be batch, but I think we can live with that 
one...)

Comments and suggestions, please.  Many thanks.

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Re: ISPF - CS

2006-05-17 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi,

The follow-up is that APAR OA16533 has been opened for the issue I
reported with using WSCON with system symbols in use in TCPDATA.  

APAR Identifier .. OA16533  Last Changed  06/05/17
  WSCON FAILS IF SYSTEM SYMBOLS USED IN TCPDATA 
 
 ERROR DESCRIPTION:
  Invoking the WSCON ISPF command to use WSA fails with messages:
  LSCX111
  LSCX476
  LSCX478
  LSCX471
  Their TCPDDATA file uses system symbols but they are not
  supported in the current runtime libraries.


The problem appears to be in the Release 6.5 SAS/C runtime library
shipped with ISPF.
I already agreed to a FIN closure though that is up to the ISPF
development team.  It would appear that WSA is alive and well:-) As they
pointed out in  the already published z/OS R8 Preview announcement:

The ISPF workstation connect program WSCON will be designed to
auto-discover the IP address of the connected TN3270 workstation and use
this address to establish a session with the Workstation Agent. This is
expected to improve usability, because you will no longer need to be
aware of your IP address or enter it on the Initiate Workstation
Connection panel to establish a session. 

ISPF client/server code will be converted to use the IBM C/C++ run-time
libraries, which can help reduce the number of C run-time libraries in
use on your system. Also, some performance improvement is expected.

Best Regards, 

Sam Knutson, GEICO 
Performance and Availability Management 
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Re: IBM left as the Betamax of mainframe tape crypto?

2006-05-17 Thread Russell Witt
Tom,

It only works for SL output tapes (no NL or AL support at this time, and I
doubt we will ever support NL). We haven't hit a SL file we didn't work with
yet, and we had a large number of alpha/beta sites with a fairly large
number of in-house and OEM products creating tapes. Of course we have had a
lot of experience intercepting TAPE O/C/EOV events with CA-1 and TLMS ;} So
putting intercepts into OPEN wasn't much of a challenge.

Russell Witt
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..

Whether the automatic inclusion thingy actually works all of the time is
another matter, but software bugs like that would usually get worked out
fairly quickly.

Based upon Mr. Salt's dissertation of a few days back (and Mr. Mills'
comments afterward) I would think that $60K is an introductory price.

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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ray Mullins said:

> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:17:33 -0700
> 
> //STEP1 EXEC
> //DD1   DD  DSN=BLAH(+1),DISP=NEW
> //STEP2 EXEC
> //DD1   DD  DSN=BLAH(+0),DISP=OLD
> 
> Drove me nuts, because this was totally against what I'd been taught.
> 
Just curious, but how does a referback to a relative GDG reference
work?  I.e.

  //STEP1 EXEC
  //DD1   DD  DSN=BLAH(+1),DISP=NEW
  //STEP2 EXEC
  //DD1   DD  DSN=*.STEP1.DD1,DISP=MOD

Is it treated symbolically, in which case a second new generation
is created, or semantically, referring to the same generation as
STEP1?

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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Mullins
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:18 PM
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> 
> 
> Getting nostalgic for a moment, but was there ever a usermod 
> to change the
> behavior of the relative GDG numbers?  When I worked at a large tax
> processing concern back in the mid-1980's, you had to code in their
> environment
> 
> //STEP1 EXEC
> //DD1   DD  DSN=BLAH(+1),DISP=NEW
> //STEP2 EXEC
> //DD1   DD  DSN=BLAH(+0),DISP=OLD
> 
> Drove me nuts, because this was totally against what I'd been taught.
> 
> Later,
> Ray

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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread Ray Mullins
Getting nostalgic for a moment, but was there ever a usermod to change the
behavior of the relative GDG numbers?  When I worked at a large tax
processing concern back in the mid-1980's, you had to code in their
environment

//STEP1 EXEC
//DD1   DD  DSN=BLAH(+1),DISP=NEW
//STEP2 EXEC
//DD1   DD  DSN=BLAH(+0),DISP=OLD

Drove me nuts, because this was totally against what I'd been taught.

Later,
Ray

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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread McKown, John
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> 
> 
> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 14:07 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
> > I think it is so that when a job starts, that the
> > relative generation number always maps to the same absolute 
> generation
> 
> The initiator maintains the "GDG name table" (I think that's it) which
> is a series of SWA control blocks queued off the JCT.  Each control
> block has eyecatcher "GDGN" and holds up to three entries: a 
> 35-byte GDG
> base name and a four-byte base generation number.  "+0" refers to this
> base generation number throughout the job's execution.
> 
> -- 
> David Andrews

I am aware of the GDG bias number. However, I think what that is used
for is so that if the job creates a +1 (or some other + generation) in a
step, it knows to adjust the minus numbers (and zero) in subsequent
steps. E.g. after a step creates a +1, that absolute generation is now
really +0 according to the catalog. So a later step which references +0
has that number adjusted by the GDG bias number to become, in this case,
the -1 generation during catalog lookup.

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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 14:07 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
> I think it is so that when a job starts, that the
> relative generation number always maps to the same absolute generation

The initiator maintains the "GDG name table" (I think that's it) which
is a series of SWA control blocks queued off the JCT.  Each control
block has eyecatcher "GDGN" and holds up to three entries: a 35-byte GDG
base name and a four-byte base generation number.  "+0" refers to this
base generation number throughout the job's execution.

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Re: Dumb question?

2006-05-17 Thread Hal Merritt
Completely legal.  

One caveat: there is one more step before a COBOL program may be
executed under Z/os.e. Look for CEEPIPI in the LE manuals. Note: using
the CEEPIPI interface works under both z/os as well as z/os.e so you
don't have to have two different sets of programs. 

See also PIPICALL on the CBT.   

HTH and good luck.  

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Suppose we licensed a COBOL compiler for one system; would we be
violating 
license restrictions to run the compiles on that one system but ship the

resulting object code out to other systems? 

Specifically thinking of a situation where developers submit their 
compiles using NJE, and the compile proc's JCL uses DEST=(node,userid)
to 
send the results back to the submitter? 

I'm sure this is technologically feasible, my question is now that most
of 
us have LE enabled as part of our systems, we no longer license the
COBOL 
run-times, therefore is it legal to do it this way?


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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Q: is it normal ?
Yes!

>Why GRS minor name is GDG.BASE.NAME, not the GDS member name ?
Architecture issues within ENQ processing.

>Can I change it ?
No!


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Alert OA16334 - Update

2006-05-17 Thread Ben Alford
It looks like SMP/E only used the SYSLIB DD when doing an assembly.  Of
the 400+ fixes I've installed on my 1.7 system, I've only found one
assembly.  I'm restoring those fixes and will reapply with the corrected
SYSLIB.  YMMV


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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread McKown, John
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> Subject: Dataset contention on GDG
> 
> 
> I have noticed dataset contention
> Job A is running
> //INPUT  DD DISP=SHR,DSN=GDG.BASE.NAME(-4)
> 
> Job B was submitted later and it is waiting for datasets:
> //OUTPUT DD DISP=(MOD,CATLG),DSN=GDG.BASE.NAME(+0)
> 
> 
> Q: is it normal ?

Yes, Working As Designed.


> Why GRS minor name is GDG.BASE.NAME, not the GDS member name ?

I cannot prove it, but I think it is so that when a job starts, that the
relative generation number always maps to the same absolute generation
number. Suppose you have a job running which has 20 steps. Step 1 reads
+0 of GDG and so does step 20. The JCL developer would expect both steps
to read the same dataset. Now suppose that the ENQ were on the absolute
gen number and not the base name. A job could run after step 1, but
before step 20 which could create the +1 gen. In this case the two steps
in the first job would get different abolute generations because the GDG
to absolute mapping is done at step initiation (I think). Of course, I
can think of ways to get around this, such as mapping all relative GDG
numbers to an absolute GDG number at job start, updating the SIOT with
the absolute name rather than the relative gen number.

> Can I change it ?

Not to my knowledge.

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Re: Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread Diehl, Gary (MVSSupport)
When you specify a relative (-x) GRS serializes on the base.

If you get JAL/DCS Thruput Manager from MVS Solutions then you can
convert the relative to the absolute prior to job initiation, and get by
this problem.  I don't know what other products exist that can do this.

Otherwise, you have to manually do the =3.4 or listcat yourself, get the
full name, and allocate it yourself using the full name, which usually
requires a JCL edit prior to submission.

HTH,

Gary Diehl

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I have noticed dataset contention
Job A is running
//INPUT  DD DISP=SHR,DSN=GDG.BASE.NAME(-4)

Job B was submitted later and it is waiting for datasets:
//OUTPUT DD DISP=(MOD,CATLG),DSN=GDG.BASE.NAME(+0)


Q: is it normal ?
Why GRS minor name is GDG.BASE.NAME, not the GDS member name ?
Can I change it ?

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Dataset contention on GDG

2006-05-17 Thread R.S.

I have noticed dataset contention
Job A is running
//INPUT  DD DISP=SHR,DSN=GDG.BASE.NAME(-4)

Job B was submitted later and it is waiting for datasets:
//OUTPUT DD DISP=(MOD,CATLG),DSN=GDG.BASE.NAME(+0)


Q: is it normal ?
Why GRS minor name is GDG.BASE.NAME, not the GDS member name ?
Can I change it ?

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Re: Any Reason to Upgrade 2074-1

2006-05-17 Thread Gabe Torres
Excellent considerations...
  We are locked into our z900 2064 for at least two more years, so maybe
keeping the current config/hardware is the choice.  Capacity on our
2074-1 is adequate.

Thanks,
gabe   

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It depends. What CPCs do you have ? How much ?
Last but not least: do you feel any technical need, I mean capacity,
connectivity, performance, tc.
All new machines (z/890, z/990, z9, z9 BC, z9 EC) are OSA-ICC capable.
That means you don't need any 2074. The cost is one port of OSA card
(all current cards except 10Gb are two-port).
If you have older machines, then you should consider when will you
upgrade.
If you have older machines and no plans for upgrade them, then think
about keeping 2074. Then consider if 2074 upgrade is really needed.

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Re: Quick Qustion About A SMPE Sysmod.

2006-05-17 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld

Howard,

Thanks for posting the PTF & Apar closing codes.  Even though I'm not 
working now, I decided that I should collect the really good stuff like this 
and put it in a folder I can transport to my next job.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee Wisconsin
414-475-7434

Quote:
Brian Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  From 
ServiceLink User's Guide (SH52-0300-10):


B.2 PTF Closing Codes

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Re: Any Reason to Upgrade 2074-1

2006-05-17 Thread R.S.

Gabe Torres wrote:

Hello List,
  Any reason to upgrade our 2074-1 to a 2074-2 or 2074-3, other than
capacity ?


It depends. What CPCs do you have ? How much ?
Last but not least: do you feel any technical need, I mean capacity, 
connectivity, performance, tc.

All new machines (z/890, z/990, z9, z9 BC, z9 EC) are OSA-ICC capable.
That means you don't need any 2074. The cost is one port of OSA card 
(all current cards except 10Gb are two-port).

If you have older machines, then you should consider when will you upgrade.
If you have older machines and no plans for upgrade them, then think 
about keeping 2074. Then consider if 2074 upgrade is really needed.


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Updated Agenda For UK based Enterprise Security Guide

2006-05-17 Thread Mark Wilson
All,

Two of the seesions for the above have been swapped around and an updated 
Agenda will be available soon at http://www.gse.org.uk/wg/racf/racfinvite.htm 
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Re: Any Reason to Upgrade 2074-1

2006-05-17 Thread Gabe Torres
Yes, Marketing Withdrawn,.. But no Service Discontinued Dates  yet for
all three flavors.  Still available from other Vendors.
gt
  

 

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Are you sure you can upgrade?
I thought that IBM had withdrawn the 2074's from the market. 

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Hello List,
  Any reason to upgrade our 2074-1 to a 2074-2 or 2074-3, other than
capacity ?

It appears the mod-1 is still supported, and our current console
configuration is adequate.

TIA,
Gabe 

State of Nevada  
Dept of Information Technology - Computing Div.

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Re: Any Reason to Upgrade 2074-1

2006-05-17 Thread James Chappell
Are you sure you can upgrade?
I thought that IBM had withdrawn the 2074's from the market. 

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Hello List,
  Any reason to upgrade our 2074-1 to a 2074-2 or 2074-3, other than
capacity ?

It appears the mod-1 is still supported, and our current console
configuration is adequate.

TIA,
Gabe 

State of Nevada  
Dept of Information Technology - Computing Div.

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Any Reason to Upgrade 2074-1

2006-05-17 Thread Gabe Torres
Hello List,
  Any reason to upgrade our 2074-1 to a 2074-2 or 2074-3, other than
capacity ?

It appears the mod-1 is still supported, and our current console
configuration is adequate.

TIA,
Gabe 

State of Nevada  
Dept of Information Technology - Computing Div.


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Re: Quick Qustion About A SMPE Sysmod.

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Peterson
I used the version in VM IBMLink, which is displayed when you select option 
SVCGUIDE from the ServiceLink menu.

Brian

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>Speaking of the ServiceLink User's Guide, does anyone know where to find
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Re: Alter - APAR OA16334 Serverpac Built SYSLIB concat wrong

2006-05-17 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/17/2006 12:25:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Heads up  for z/OS V1.7 Serverpacs generated between Feb. 15 and May 26,
2006.   APAR OA16334 says the SMP/E SYSLIB concat order is built wrong,
with DLIBS  before TARGET datasets.



>>
Pretty sloppy, doesn't even pass the blinking lights  test!

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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread R.S.

Ben Alford wrote:


Check out the following PSP: Upgrade - ZOSV1R7, Subset - SERVERPAC.

 1. 06/02/03 Users Affected:
 When using TSO, you may get the error message:
 IRX0157E Routine EAGRTXTR of the run time processor
 EAGRTPRC was not found.
 .
 Problem Description:
 Usermod CPPEAKG may be have been installed on the
 ServerPac by HTE7709I job.
 .
 Action Required:
 Remove Usermod CPPEAKG:
 SET BOUNDARY(MVST100).

My "SERVERPAC: INSTALLING YOUR ORDER" manual
in hlq.ordernum.SCPPLENU(LIST1403) says:

Job HTE7709I is optional.
   ...
CPPEAKG should only have been installed if you have Tivoli Newtview System
Services (fmid:HENV510) and REXX LIB/370 (fmid:HWJ9133)  or IBM Alternate
Library for REXX on zSeries (fmid:HWJ9143).


Thank you Ben!
You found the solution. In fact I read the job description but simply 
missed the paragraph about additional features.
BTW: Isn't it strange ? It is perfectly known, what FMIDs are delivered 
within ServerPac. The rule is quite simple: no FMID => no job (or IEFBR14).


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Alter - APAR OA16334 Serverpac Built SYSLIB concat wrong

2006-05-17 Thread Ben Alford
Heads up for z/OS V1.7 Serverpacs generated between Feb. 15 and May 26,
2006.  APAR OA16334 says the SMP/E SYSLIB concat order is built wrong,
with DLIBS before TARGET datasets.
Bummer...this apar came out after I'd installed the system and applied
maint to the test system...

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IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Ben Alford
Check out the following PSP: Upgrade - ZOSV1R7, Subset - SERVERPAC.

 1. 06/02/03 Users Affected:
 When using TSO, you may get the error message:
 IRX0157E Routine EAGRTXTR of the run time processor
 EAGRTPRC was not found.
 .
 Problem Description:
 Usermod CPPEAKG may be have been installed on the
 ServerPac by HTE7709I job.
 .
 Action Required:
 Remove Usermod CPPEAKG:
 SET BOUNDARY(MVST100).

My "SERVERPAC: INSTALLING YOUR ORDER" manual
in hlq.ordernum.SCPPLENU(LIST1403) says:

Job HTE7709I is optional.
   ...
CPPEAKG should only have been installed if you have Tivoli Newtview System
Services (fmid:HENV510) and REXX LIB/370 (fmid:HWJ9133)  or IBM Alternate
Library for REXX on zSeries (fmid:HWJ9143).

Ben Alford Enterprise Systems Programming
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Re: Problem with Ethernet adapter running large ftp or jdbc application on FLEX-ES box

2006-05-17 Thread Hal Merritt
Don't know how close, but we had such an issue when we installed a new
zbox and the gigabit cables did not match the NIC's. Something about the
diameter of the fiber and types of light bulbs used. 

Some types (sizes?) of packets would flow just fine, some took many
retries, some failed. 

Another issue I have read about is a mismatch in transmission unit
sizes. Gigabit, for example, uses a 'burst' that greatly exceeds 1500
bytes (about 9k on z/osa's, about 4k on as/400). Since some network
types cannot conceive of a network of anything but Windows PC's, they
think 1500 is the maximum possible.  

Yet another issue is where a negotiated MTU fails due to a 'black hole'
router. This is traceable to the 1500 maximum myth. 

HTH.

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Subject: Problem with Ethernet adapter running large ftp or jdbc
application on FLEX-ES box

I sent the post below to the FLEX-ES list but I  have copied it here
just in
case anyone has any bright ideas.

When we run large ftp or jdbc app we get the following sequence on
errors on
our z/OS 1.4 system and the adapter invariable shuts down after
recovering a
few times -

EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
 
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Problem with Ethernet adapter running large ftp or jdbc application on FLEX-ES box

2006-05-17 Thread Jim McAlpine

I sent the post below to the FLEX-ES list but I  have copied it here just in
case anyone has any bright ideas.

When we run large ftp or jdbc app we get the following sequence on errors on
our z/OS 1.4 system and the adapter invariable shuts down after recovering a
few times -

EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4314I INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1, LINK ETH1LINK
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4314I INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1, LINK ETH1LINK
EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4314I INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1, LINK ETH1LINK
IST1578I SOFT INOP DETECTED FOR IUTL0E20 BY ISTTCCTE CODE = 102
EZZ4310I ERROR: CODE=80100044 REPORTED ON DEVICE ETH1. DIAGNOSTIC CODE:
00
EZZ4309I ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4305I UNABLE TO RECOVER DEVICE ETH1
EZZ4307I REASON: ERROR ENCOUNTERED AFTER REACTIVATION
EZZ4315I DEACTIVATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE ETH1

We also have a z/OS 1.2 instance which displays similar symptoms but which
invariably manages to go throuigh recovery enough times and not shut down
the interface.
I say this because the messages might indicate a hardware error but both
instances have a different interface.  This leads me to think that it is
either a Flex-es problem or a configuration problem that I have got wrong
with both instances of tcpip.  I have checked all apars that
describe problems with the error code 80100044 and none of them are
applicable to our system except those where I have applied the ptfs.

Anyone seen this before.  I'm nearly at the hair pulling stage.

Jim McAlpine

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Re: Capping in Z890

2006-05-17 Thread Hal Merritt
Not what I meant to say. Data suitable for the subcapacity billing
programs (SMF 89's) *must* be collected and included for *every* active
LPAR. The requirement is that the sum of all SMF 89 data must exceed 95%
of the total box (RMF) usage. 

We had a hardware management LPAR completely isolated from all
production DASD for security reasons. IBM insisted we either open the
security hole or shut it down. The risk was unacceptable, so we shut it
down.   

But you bring up a very interesting point. We may have z/VM in our
future, and I am now wondering how that is going to work. The z/VM may
or may not include all of z/os and Linux. Time to post a question to the
SCRT team.

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On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 16:10 -0500, Hal Merritt wrote:
> About the only way I know of is to set 'hard caps' on each LPAR such
that the sum is 28. 
> Another caveat is that there is no concept of a 'test' LPAR. If you
run one, you have to pay for it.

So test LPARs have to become z/VM images?  Is this reason enough to buy
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Re: DB2 MSTR address space memory usage

2006-05-17 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi,

Real time you could use MXI, TMONMVS (DISPLAY VMAP: tab on PRIVATE AREA
SUBPOOL DISPLAY), OMEGAMON, etc.

I have not found the DB2 MSTR address space to be a big consumer of
storage.   The DBM1 address space is another critter and I have some of
them listed for detail records from RMF Monitor I.  
  
SYS1.PARMLIB(ERBRMF00) - 01.07  Columns 
==>  Scrol
VSTOR(D,DB2TDBM1,DB24DBM1,INFOFSS)   /* VSM SUM & SELECTED DET 

DB2 V8 did not end VSCR problems in DBM1 in fact in some cases you are
worse off after migration to V8.

You can run RMF reports like this if you have the data

//JS001   EXEC PGM=ERBRMFPP
//MFPINPUT  DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your.smf.data.sets  
//MFPMSGDS  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN DD *   
  NOSUMMARY
  REPORTS(VSTOR(D))
  SYSOUT(G)
/* 

We also have to watch the MQ folks who have in the past over allocated
buffers and run themselves out of memory without good reason.  

Best Regards, 

Sam Knutson, GEICO 
Performance and Availability Management 
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How to find out what is memory usage of DB2 xxxMSTR address space ?

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Re: Quick Qustion About A SMPE Sysmod.

2006-05-17 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind
> 
> I'm was looking at sysmod UA23371 and in the enviroment 
> section it had the following: 
>
>   PTF Status  CLOSED  PER
>
>   I was wondering what they mean by PER.

"Programming Error".

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Re: Doubt regarding CDE chain

2006-05-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 17 May 2006 11:26:27 -0400 Kirk Talman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

:>TCBJLB = 0 just means you have no joblib.  Steplib ptr not available. 
:>Linklist another issue entirely.

But a non-zero value does not necessarily mean the presence of a
joblib/steplib - all it means is that the ATTACHer (or one of its ancestors)
specified a TASKLIB.

A non-zero on an initiated program does mean joblib/steplib.

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Re: Quick Qustion About A SMPE Sysmod.

2006-05-17 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
You can see similar information in IBMLink, ServiceLink, AST, the select
Help.

Speaking of the ServiceLink User's Guide, does anyone know where to find
this?

Don Imbriale

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>From ServiceLink User's Guide (SH52-0300-10):
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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Knutson, Sam
If you force a user to select overly complex passwords and change them
frequently you insure that a significant number of users will store
those passwords in an insecure fashion i.e. Post-It.

I think that some simple rules (min length, require numbers and letters)
and recurring, consistent advocacy on keeping passwords secure,
unwritten, unshared go farther to improve security.  

Help prevent 'Password Rage':-)   Google it.

Tools like Password Safe help too http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/

My $0.02. 

Best Regards, 

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Subject: Password Complexity

I read somewhere that the motivation for support of mixed case passwords
in z/OS v1r7 is an external requirement that the password space have
cardinality at least 10^13.  Does any reader of this list know the
source of this requirement?
Sarbanes-Oxley (chapter and verse)?  Other (specify)?

While searching for this (unsuccessfully), I stumbled over several
documents containing a fallacious rationale for frequent password
changes:  If a password-cracking program can discover a password in N
days, one should change one's password no less often than once every N-1
days to be safe.
The inventors of such rules don't understand that N is an upper bound,
and that by happenstance a password might be discovered in seconds; in
other cases take up to almost the N day limit; and that the likelihood
of a success on any single try is not affected by the age of the
password, except insofar as the remaining password space is reduced by
the number of unsuccessful probes.  No matter how often you change your
password, you at best double the average effort for an intruder to
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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread R.S.

Chase, John wrote:


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[ snip ]

BTW: One of the biggest polish computer (PC) assemblers had 
ISO. The quality of their PCs was horrible, but the (poor) 
quality was predictable and repeatable. 



And the process was precisely documented, correct?  :-)


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Re: Quick Qustion About A SMPE Sysmod.

2006-05-17 Thread Howard Rifkind
Thanks Brian.

Brian Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  From ServiceLink User's Guide 
(SH52-0300-10):

B.2 PTF Closing Codes 

The PTF closing codes are: 

ACL Cancelled while in test 
CAN Cancelled by submittor 
COR Available from distribution 
DUP Duplicate of another PTF 
PER Available on a preventive service volume 
REJ Rejected 

B.1 APAR Closing Codes 

The APAR closing codes are: 

ADM A partially closed APAR; can still be added to AST list; contains
administrative information only right now; technical information 
will be added later 
CAN Canceled by person who submitted APAR 
DOC Documentation error 
DUA Duplicate of a resolved APAR closed for more than ten days 
DUB Duplicate of a resolved APAR closed for ten days or less 
DUU Duplicate of an unresolved APAR 
FIN Fixed in next release 
MCH Machine or microcode error 
PER Programming error 
PRS Permanent restriction 
REQ Requirement for Development's consideration 
RET Returned for additional information 
STD Open Systems Standards deficiency 
SUG Suggestion for product enhancement 
UR1 Programming error in the reported release; the problem has been 
corrected in a release not yet available from distribution 
UR2 Same as UR1 but written against an unsupported release 
UR3 Programming error in the reported release; does not exist in the 
current release available from distribution 
UR4 Same as UR3 but written against an unsupported release 
UR5 Unable to reproduce on the reported release 
USE User error 

On Wed, 17 May 2006 08:42:55 -0700, Howard Rifkind 
wrote:

>I'm was looking at sysmod UA23371 and in the enviroment section it had the 
following:
>
> PTF Status  CLOSED PER
>
> I was wondering what they mean by PER.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S.
> 
> [ snip ]
> 
> BTW: One of the biggest polish computer (PC) assemblers had 
> ISO. The quality of their PCs was horrible, but the (poor) 
> quality was predictable and repeatable. 

And the process was precisely documented, correct?  :-)

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Re: Quick Qustion About A SMPE Sysmod.

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Peterson
>From ServiceLink User's Guide (SH52-0300-10):

   B.2 PTF Closing Codes 
 
The PTF closing codes are:   
 
ACL Cancelled while in test  
CAN Cancelled by submittor   
COR Available from distribution  
DUP Duplicate of another PTF 
PER Available on a preventive service volume 
REJ Rejected 

   B.1 APAR Closing Codes
 
The APAR closing codes are:  
 
ADM A partially closed APAR; can still be added to AST list; contains
administrative information only right now; technical information 
will be added later  
CAN Canceled by person who submitted APAR
DOC Documentation error  
DUA Duplicate of a resolved APAR closed for more than ten days   
DUB Duplicate of a resolved APAR closed for ten days or less 
DUU Duplicate of an unresolved APAR  
FIN Fixed in next release
MCH Machine or microcode error   
PER Programming error
PRS Permanent restriction
REQ Requirement for Development's consideration  
RET Returned for additional information  
STD Open Systems Standards deficiency
SUG Suggestion for product enhancement   
UR1 Programming error in the reported release; the problem has been  
corrected in a release not yet available from distribution   
UR2 Same as UR1 but written against an unsupported release   
UR3 Programming error in the reported release; does not exist in the 
current release available from distribution  
UR4 Same as UR3 but written against an unsupported release   
UR5 Unable to reproduce on the reported release  
USE User error   

On Wed, 17 May 2006 08:42:55 -0700, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>I'm was looking at sysmod UA23371 and in the enviroment section it had the 
following:
>
>  PTF Status  CLOSED  PER
>
>  I was wondering what they mean by PER.
>
>  Thanks.
>

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Quick Qustion About A SMPE Sysmod.

2006-05-17 Thread Howard Rifkind
I'm was looking at sysmod UA23371 and in the enviroment section it had the 
following: 
   
  PTF Status  CLOSED  PER
   
  I was wondering what they mean by PER.
   
  Thanks.


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Re: obsolete

2006-05-17 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/17/2006 9:57:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

When IBM  introduced Tiered Pricing in 1984(?).



What about the 1956 consent decree?
 
_http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/appdev/story/0,10801,582
36,00.html_ 
(http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/appdev/story/0,10801,58236,00.html)
 

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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Dave Salt

From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Or... many vendors license the alternate library from IBM and ship
it with their products.   Prior to having this library with our
OS/390 2.10 system, we customized IRXCMPTM to use the ISV's
alternate library.



Or... the REXX Alternate Library can be downloaded (free of charge) from the 
following IBM site:


http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=960&uid=swg24006107

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Re: Doubt regarding CDE chain

2006-05-17 Thread Knutson, Sam
Search the archives for CDE extension and you will find some good
information including this post by Gilbert that may help. 

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situations give you "stale" info, but has worked unchanged since the
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Hello,
 
In the below givn article reagrding Static/Dynamic calls in Cobol at   
http://www.naspa.com/PDF/2000/0600%20TS%20PDFs/T0006010.pdf, it is given
how to retrieve the list of programs loaded into the memory. Is there
any way to retrieve the library name also along with the program name? I
tried to retrieve library name using the pointer "TCBJLB"; but looks
like this is not the correct pointer. Please help me in this regard. 
 
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Re: Doubt regarding CDE chain

2006-05-17 Thread Kirk Talman
TCBJLB = 0 just means you have no joblib.  Steplib ptr not available. 
Linklist another issue entirely.

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 05/16/2006 
09:28:49 PM:

> Hello,
> 
> In the below givn article reagrding Static/Dynamic calls in Cobol at 
> http://www.naspa.com/PDF/2000/0600%20TS%20PDFs/T0006010.pdf, it is 
> given how to retrieve the list of programs loaded into the memory. 
> Is there any way to retrieve the library name also along with the 
> program name? I tried to retrieve library name using the pointer 
> "TCBJLB"; but looks like this is not the correct pointer. Please 
> help me in this regard. 
> 
> Thanks & regards,
> Ramesh



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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread R.S.

Hal Merritt wrote:


Bingo. And now we are back to the question: 'Who audits the auditors?'

Folks from the EU please opine on the effectiveness of ISO 9000. I heard
that the EU embraced ISO 9000 to the point of being the law in many
countries. 

It seems ISO 9000 fell out of favor here in the US a few years ago. 


ISO 9000 is some kind of "business fashion" IMHO. In the past every 
company thought about data warehouse, then CRM became popular. It also 
similarly with ISO 9000. Nowadays we have SOX (yes, in EU), "Basel 
regulations", etc.


Are those things stupid? NO!
What companies did before data warehouse era ?
What companies did before ISO9000 or SOX ?
Good companies had some kind of CRM, DWH, or audits. Those things 
(processes, applications) were remained unnamed.


BTW: Easy recipe how to get ISO9000.
It is required to pass formal certification. But you can certify only 
*one* of the processes within your company, i.e. Purchase Order.

After that you can proudly claim "We're ISO 9000 compliant!".
The resto of the company can remain unaffected.
BTDT.

BTW: One of the biggest polish computer (PC) assemblers had ISO. The 
quality of their PCs was horrible, but the (poor) quality was 
predictable and repeatable. 



Or are we getting to far off topic? 

IMHO yes.

BTW: I know companies, where audit dept is responsible both for audit as 
well as rule design. So they create the rules and check the compliance.



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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Hal Merritt
Bingo. And now we are back to the question: 'Who audits the auditors?'

Folks from the EU please opine on the effectiveness of ISO 9000. I heard
that the EU embraced ISO 9000 to the point of being the law in many
countries. 

It seems ISO 9000 fell out of favor here in the US a few years ago. 

Or are we getting to far off topic? 

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If they are creating rules, they are corporate compliance auditors.

If they are creating, enforcing, and reporting on rules, they have a
conflict of duty.

These three functions should be under what is known as "separation of
duties".
That's what got Anderson into trouble.

How can I be so certain?
I asked an auditor.


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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
That should have said "corporate compliance officers".
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>>They can only cite rules; not make them.
>>
>How can you be so certain?

If they are creating rules, they are corporate compliance auditors.

If they are creating, enforcing, and reporting on rules, they have a conflict 
of duty.

These three functions should be under what is known as "separation of duties".
That's what got Anderson into trouble.

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Re: obsolete

2006-05-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>It sort of begs the question of when the first hosing occurred.

When IBM introduced Tiered Pricing in 1984(?).


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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>>
>>They can only cite rules; not make them.
>>
>How can you be so certain?

If they are creating rules, they are corporate compliance auditors.

If they are creating, enforcing, and reporting on rules, they have a conflict 
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Re: IBM left as the Betamax of mainframe tape crypto?

2006-05-17 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Wed, 17 May 2006 09:22:41 -0500, Staller, Allan wrote:

>At the price quited in the article, I *DO NOT* forsee a stampeded to
>purchase the product.

I disagree.  The price ($60K USD) doesn't seem unreasonable since it snips 
itself in automatically -- no JCL changes needed.  That is very much UNlike 
the earlier IBM product, which not only needs JCL changes but in many cases 
requires extra steps to be inserted.  (To me a minor JCL change like, say, 
adding "SUBSYS=USPY" to a DD statement is less work/trouble than adding new 
steps to the same job.  Others may disagree.)  
 
Whether the automatic inclusion thingy actually works all of the time is 
another matter, but software bugs like that would usually get worked out 
fairly quickly.  
 
Based upon Mr. Salt's dissertation of a few days back (and Mr. Mills' 
comments afterward) I would think that $60K is an introductory price. 
 
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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:17 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>So as a previous poster already said, I guess you have to order it.
>

Or... many vendors license the alternate library from IBM and ship
it with their products.   Prior to having this library with our
OS/390 2.10 system, we customized IRXCMPTM to use the ISV's 
alternate library.  

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Re: IBM left as the Betamax of mainframe tape crypto?

2006-05-17 Thread Staller, Allan
At the price quited in the article, I *DO NOT* forsee a stampeded to
purchase the product. 

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Re: z/OS 1.6 - step-time rounding errors

2006-05-17 Thread Jon Brock
After investigating this very issue in order to try to figure out why 
some DBMS run stats I am trying to track were squirrely, I found and fixed the 
whole TCB time overflow issue in our IEFACTRT exit.  Unfortunately, it also 
appears that the one we are using also can not handle the total EXCPs for the 
STC in question.  

Oh, bother.

Jon




Steve,
We saw this too.  Look at OA06051.
Don't despair.
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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 17 May 2006 13:53:06 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>
>Mark,
>
>It's my understanding that hlq.SEAGLPA should be attached to the LPA (hence
>the name), while hlq.SEAGALT (i.e. the 'Alternate' REXX runtime library)
>should be attached to the LINKLIST. As the LPA is searched ahead of the
>LINKLIST, this ensures compiled REXX runs via SEAGLPA (i.e. at optimal
>efficiency), while interpreted REXX runs via SEAGALT in the LINKLIST. This
>has nothing to do with changes to z/OS; as far as I know, we've been doing
>it this way since at least OS/390 2.10.
>

There is no SEAGLPA with the alternate library... just runtime.  

I had thought this was part of z/OS base product, but looking back at
our serverpac PGMDIR it says: 

Netview for z/OS  QM16 REXX Alternate Library  

Since we've always had Netview, I guess that is why we get the
alternate library.  Here is the info in the pgmdir:

Program Directory for 
  IBM SAA REXX/370 Alternate Library  
  
  Release 03, Modification Level 00   
   Program Number 5695-014
FMIDs HWJ9133, JWJ9134
 for Use with 
OS/390
  
  
  Document Date: March, 2001 


So as a previous poster already said, I guess you have to order it.

Cheers,

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Re: obsolete

2006-05-17 Thread Staller, Allan
Would you guys stop PUNishing us like this? 


You probably hurt his felines by laughing at him.


I saw a similar "non-typo" in another newsgroup, in a thread about
"shade-tree auto mechanics".  One responder prefaced his remarks by
saying that it had been a long time since he had "tinkered with cats".
It's easy enough to fat-finger "cars" into "cats", so I sent the
obligatory "giggle".


Oh, it turned out he intended "cats" as short for "catalytic
converters".  :-) 



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Re: *DM*N*STR*V**: Archive access

2006-05-17 Thread Darren Evans-Young
On Tue, 16 May 2006, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:

>Darren,
>
>isn't it useless to protect your archives? The newsgroup version of the
>list is fully available in Google archives, so what is your purpose of
>protecting the list archives?
>
>Kees.

The protection is not for email addresses necessarily, it's to keep
automated software from hammering our systems with 32K queries in
1 hour driving up our system load. Listserv archives aren't in a
public open directory. You have to go through Listserv to get to
them. Whatever software they were using was going through the web
access part of Listserv. We wound up having to block that IP at
our campus router.

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Hal Merritt
That begs the question as to *who* should say what a 'best practice'
might be. 

To answer your question, there is no 'enforcement' in this context. It
is up to each individual organization to set policy, recourse, and
consequences. An organization will do this to keep their customers,
stockholders, and stakeholders satisfied. For many of us, it is simply
inconceivable to try to do business without such as a fundamental part
of the culture. 

A customer/stockholder/stakeholder wants a third parties' professional
opinion as to how well the organization is doing what they say they are
doing. For example, that there are checks and balances, separation of
duties, appropriate approval processes, and so on. 

I think what SOX does is to hold the company management legally
accountable and therefore makes them a stakeholder. They, too, want some
assurance that their employees are doing the right things, whatever that
might be. So, I guess that makes *them* the 'enforcers'.  

And therein lies the rub. What, exactly, are the 'right' things?


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But seriously: I'm not sure about the above. Who should enforce the
rules ?


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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Dave Salt

From: "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AFAIK I have never had hlq.SEAGALT library. Is it because I don't have REXX 
Compiler ?

What is "alternate library" ?
I cannot compare it to 1.6, since I have 1.4 and 1.7.
I checked (sort the SYS1.LINKLIB by TTR), IRXCMPTM is the module modified 
by the ServerPac.
In fact I don't understand what is being done by the job. I use REXX as a 
scripting language, that's all.




Radoslaw,

hlq.SEAGLPA allows compiled REXX to run at optimal efficiency. It is usually 
attached to the LPA, and comes with the IBM REXX/370 Compiler. In other 
words, it's an add-on product for which an additional licensing fee is 
usually paid.


hlq.SEAGALT is the 'alternate' REXX runtime library. It is free of charge, 
and is usually attached to the LINKLIST. It allows compiled REXX programs to 
execute at interpreted speed.


If you don't have SEAGLPA and you don't have SEAGALT, this means you can 
only run "source" REXX programs at interpreted speed. You can NEVER run 
compiled REXX, whether at interpreted or compiled speed.


Many vendors (including IBM) ship compiled REXX procedures to their 
customers. Given that SEAGALT is free of charge, I would strongly recommend 
including it as part of the LINKLIST.


HTH,

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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Dave Salt
My bad; I meant to say that compiled REXX which runs on a system where the 
SEAGLPA library isn't licensed will run (at interpreted speed) via the 
SEAGALT library which is (usually) in the LINKLIST.


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:53:06 +


From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I missed the start of this thread, but we have hlq.SEAGALT in the LPA list
so that EAGKCPT/IRXCMPTM is ahead of the IRXCMPTM that is in SYS1.LINKLIB.
This avoids coding a usermod. We've been doing this since OS/390 2.10.

Is that the issue here, or did something change in z/OS 1.7 related
to this (we are still 1.6)?



Mark,

It's my understanding that hlq.SEAGLPA should be attached to the LPA (hence 
the name), while hlq.SEAGALT (i.e. the 'Alternate' REXX runtime library) 
should be attached to the LINKLIST. As the LPA is searched ahead of the 
LINKLIST, this ensures compiled REXX runs via SEAGLPA (i.e. at optimal 
efficiency), while interpreted REXX runs via SEAGALT in the LINKLIST. This 
has nothing to do with changes to z/OS; as far as I know, we've been doing 
it this way since at least OS/390 2.10.


HTH,

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Re: An unexpected lights out operation

2006-05-17 Thread Ray Mullins
Phil, was this intentional? 

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne
> Sent: Wednesday May 17 2006 03:44
> 

Combining this sentence...

> We were working "hand-off".  

With this phrase

> consolidated onto stiffies, 

Is a visualization that I never want to see again, thankyouverymuch.   :-D

Later,
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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Dave Salt

From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I missed the start of this thread, but we have hlq.SEAGALT in the LPA list
so that EAGKCPT/IRXCMPTM is ahead of the IRXCMPTM that is in SYS1.LINKLIB.
This avoids coding a usermod. We've been doing this since OS/390 2.10.

Is that the issue here, or did something change in z/OS 1.7 related
to this (we are still 1.6)?



Mark,

It's my understanding that hlq.SEAGLPA should be attached to the LPA (hence 
the name), while hlq.SEAGALT (i.e. the 'Alternate' REXX runtime library) 
should be attached to the LINKLIST. As the LPA is searched ahead of the 
LINKLIST, this ensures compiled REXX runs via SEAGLPA (i.e. at optimal 
efficiency), while interpreted REXX runs via SEAGALT in the LINKLIST. This 
has nothing to do with changes to z/OS; as far as I know, we've been doing 
it this way since at least OS/390 2.10.


HTH,

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Re: obsolete

2006-05-17 Thread Jon Brock
You probably hurt his felines by laughing at him.

Jon


I saw a similar "non-typo" in another newsgroup, in a thread about
"shade-tree auto mechanics".  One responder prefaced his remarks by
saying that it had been a long time since he had "tinkered with cats".
It's easy enough to fat-finger "cars" into "cats", so I sent the
obligatory "giggle".

-jc-

Oh, it turned out he intended "cats" as short for "catalytic
converters".  :-)


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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Hal Merritt
FWIW, I have the issue on my z/os 1.4 two pack rescue system. 

HTH. 

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I missed the start of this thread, but we have hlq.SEAGALT in the LPA
list
so that EAGKCPT/IRXCMPTM is ahead of the IRXCMPTM that is in
SYS1.LINKLIB.
This avoids coding a usermod. We've been doing this since OS/390 2.10.

Is that the issue here, or did something change in z/OS 1.7 related 
to this (we are still 1.6)?

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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread R.S.

Mark Zelden wrote:


On Wed, 17 May 2006 01:13:05 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



You could try adding the REXX Alternate Library ('hlvlq.SEAGALT') to the
Linklist. I don't know if that will fix the problem, but it certainly
couldn't hurt.



I missed the start of this thread, but we have hlq.SEAGALT in the LPA list
so that EAGKCPT/IRXCMPTM is ahead of the IRXCMPTM that is in SYS1.LINKLIB.
This avoids coding a usermod. We've been doing this since OS/390 2.10.

Is that the issue here, or did something change in z/OS 1.7 related 
to this (we are still 1.6)?


AFAIK I have never had hlq.SEAGALT library. Is it because I don't have 
REXX Compiler ?

What is "alternate library" ?
I cannot compare it to 1.6, since I have 1.4 and 1.7.
I checked (sort the SYS1.LINKLIB by TTR), IRXCMPTM is the module 
modified by the ServerPac.
In fact I don't understand what is being done by the job. I use REXX as 
a scripting language, that's all.


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Re: IRX0157E

2006-05-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 17 May 2006 01:13:05 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>You could try adding the REXX Alternate Library ('hlvlq.SEAGALT') to the
>Linklist. I don't know if that will fix the problem, but it certainly
>couldn't hurt.
>

I missed the start of this thread, but we have hlq.SEAGALT in the LPA list
so that EAGKCPT/IRXCMPTM is ahead of the IRXCMPTM that is in SYS1.LINKLIB.
This avoids coding a usermod. We've been doing this since OS/390 2.10.

Is that the issue here, or did something change in z/OS 1.7 related 
to this (we are still 1.6)?

Regards,

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Re: obsolete

2006-05-17 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
> 
> So you really meant re-hosing instead of re-hosting which I 
> assumed.  It sort of begs the question of when the first 
> hosing occurred.
> 
> In any event, thank you for a phrase which will come in quite 
> handy for several reports I will have to prepare this year.

I saw a similar "non-typo" in another newsgroup, in a thread about
"shade-tree auto mechanics".  One responder prefaced his remarks by
saying that it had been a long time since he had "tinkered with cats".
It's easy enough to fat-finger "cars" into "cats", so I sent the
obligatory "giggle".

-jc-

Oh, it turned out he intended "cats" as short for "catalytic
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Re: IBM left as the Betamax of mainframe tape crypto?

2006-05-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Phil Payne said:

> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:44:33 +0200
> 
> Uh huh.  So IBM is about to allow the emulation vendors to ship 64-bit 
> zArchitecture emulation
> for commercial use?
> 
I think, Linux on Hercules.  I suppose it's not exactly a refutation
since the word "vendor" doesn't precisely apply.  (Nor am I confident
there's any "commercial use" of such a configuration.)  Has IBM
attempted to obstruct this, beyond some reported obfuscation?

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 17 May 2006 07:12:04 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> A lot of people ascribe too much power to an auditor.
>
>Same with police, whose primary "job" is to collect and preserve
>evidence after the crime has occurred.
>
Please don't go there.
Idealized generalizations have little to do with reality.

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S.
> 
> Ted MacNEIL wrote:
> 
> >>should occur to someone that auditors spelling out
> > 
> > such 'requirements'
> > 
> > Auditors neither make rules, nor enforce them.
> > All they can do is report.
> > 
> > A lot of people ascribe too much power to an auditor.
> 
> Maybe I re-phrase it:
> Auditors neither SHOULD make rules, nor SHOULD enforce them.
> 
> But seriously: I'm not sure about the above. Who should 
> enforce the rules ?

Management.  

Auditors merely report to management and stakeholders how well (or
poorly) management enforces management's own rules and complies with
appropriate standards set by recognized standards-setting bodies
(including legislatures).

(Now _there's_ a tedious sentence.)

-jc-

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Re: obsolete

2006-05-17 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
So you really meant re-hosing instead of re-hosting which I assumed.  It
sort of begs the question of when the first hosing occurred.

In any event, thank you for a phrase which will come in quite handy for
several reports I will have to prepare this year.

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   You can rest assured, I make typos all the time, but there are none
in this message :) 

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> 
> Perhaps the most correct typing error I've ever seen.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:13 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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> 
> 
> Don't this year's run a bit better than twice as fast as last
years?
> Of course that just means they are harder to upgrade to with ISV 
> software costs and re-hosing fees.

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
> 
> >should occur to someone that auditors spelling out
> such 'requirements'
> 
> Auditors neither make rules, nor enforce them.

Correct.

> All they can do is report.

They can also offer advice, for which you pay and are free to ignore

> A lot of people ascribe too much power to an auditor.

Same with police, whose primary "job" is to collect and preserve
evidence after the crime has occurred.

-jc-

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 17 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>>Auditors neither make rules, nor enforce them.
>>>All they can do is report.
>
>>Oh, really?
>
>Yes. Really!

An interesting hypothesis, but inconsistant with my experience.
>
>They can only force you to answer questions.
>They can overload you, but they cannot force you to follow the rules.
>They can report you to your compliance officers for being uncooperative.

The subtle distinction eludes me.
>
>They can only cite rules; not make them.
>
How can you be so certain?
They can do whatever corporate policy allows them to do.

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>>Auditors neither make rules, nor enforce them.
>>All they can do is report.

>Oh, really?

Yes. Really!

They can only force you to answer questions.
They can overload you, but they cannot force you to follow the rules.
They can report you to your compliance officers for being uncooperative.

They can only cite rules; not make them.

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IBM left as the Betamax of mainframe tape crypto?

2006-05-17 Thread Phil Payne
> Also FWIW, I've never liked the word "control" when referring to any vendor's 
> alleged
marketshare.  I'd like to think marketshare is continuously earned rather than 
controlled.

Uh huh.  So IBM is about to allow the emulation vendors to ship 64-bit 
zArchitecture emulation
for commercial use?

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An unexpected lights out operation

2006-05-17 Thread Phil Payne
Giggle.

There was another one.

At the time, I was working for Amdahl UK and IBM was working up to the 3090 
announcements.  It
was 5 or 6 September, 1990.  We ran the thing inside Amdahl as "Project 480".

Amdahl had a special local group in the UK called the "NSEs" - National Systems 
Engineers.
Secret squirrels.  We were preparing our response to the (as yet officially 
secret) IBM
announcements of September 1990.  IBM has STILL not realised that Amdahl's 
1980s/90s
commercial analysis was run from the UK and not the USA.

We had recently been re-equipped with Compaq SLT 286s.  These were certainly 
portable, but a
pain in the t1ts if the elevators weren't working.  A novelty - about the first 
portable PCs
that would, if connected via the charger - survive a power outage without 
comment.  The
battery pack weighed about six pounds.

We were working "hand-off".  The idea was that we would do as much as possible 
and then "hand
off" the current status to Sunnyvale.  Time zone exploitation.

Any ex-Amdahlers present - we're talking about PMG00600 to PMG00606.  54 hours 
without sleep.

I guess there were around eight of us working on our response on the ground 
floor of Viking
House in Hounslow - an ex-born again Christian bookshop.

All of a sudden - the power went.  A backhoe scenario.  We selectively finished 
what we were
doing on battery power, consolidated onto stiffies, and moved out to Amdahl's 
Axis House
facility near Thiefrow Airport to transfer everything to the States.

No fuss.  But the surprise was a newspaper article the next week floating the 
vaguest of all
possible suggestions that our power outage might have been arranged by Big Blue.

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Re: Password Complexity

2006-05-17 Thread Tom Marchant
>Auditors neither make rules, nor enforce them.
>All they can do is report.

Oh, really?

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zIIP processor

2006-05-17 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

If  someone knows about any plan to exploit the zIIP for external 's

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Re: *DM*N*STR*V**: Archive access

2006-05-17 Thread Dave Cartwright
On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:17:00 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe 
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>I guess it's too late to provide reasons, but sinece I use the "archive"
>exclusively I want go on record.  In the past I've logged on only when
>posting or responding, and then without setting a cookie.  To do otherwise
>is to loose the "already read" indication.  That is now lost so viewing the
>archive is more cumbersome.  I know I will find IBM-Main less easy to use.
>

Me too, so thanks to the poster who pointed to Google.

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Re: Valid TSO Users

2006-05-17 Thread Dave Cartwright
On Tue, 16 May 2006 09:21:45 -0500, Dave Cartwright 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>Anybody know how to do it?
>
>

Thanks for all the responses. Driving home last night I realised I should 
have said we use SyncSort, although I think there is a version of RACFICE 
for that. We cancelled our DB2 license a couple of years ago.
I will look at Mark Z's code which seems to do what Walt suggested.

Thanks again 

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