Fast and Safe C Strings: User friendly C macros to Declare and use C Strings.

2007-04-13 Thread Clem Clarke

Some 20 years ago, it became clear that C strings were not as safe, nor
as fast, as strings in PL/I,  Assembler or Pascal.

The primary reasons are that one needs to find the current length of a
string before or during a copy process - this is very time consuming.

Secondly, there is no way of determining the maximum length of a string,
and therefore when copying to a string, it is easy to over-write
adjacent storage with often disastrous consequences, including the
deliberate introduction of viruses.


Decades have passed and the C string problem continues.  Buffer
over-runs are just part of the story, and the bugs that can be
introduced - the safety problem is still with us all and it has come
back to bite all of us on the lower part of our anatomy, over and over
again.

I have spent some years studying this problem and have developed some
User friendly C macros that solve the problem.

These solutions do enhance the speed and safety aspects of all "C"
programs - these benefits of speed and safety can be passed on to your
users.

The main benefits are:

   * Increased speed (up to 20 times for some string handling)
   * More reliability (strings cannot overwrite adjacent storage)
   * Easier coding and debugging (consistent set of macros)
   * Easier external variables

Here is a very short example:

  dcl (op,charvar,253," ",ext);   // Variable 'op' is defined
//as an External variable - Max length of  253 characters.
  dcl (symbolic,charfixed,8,"",ext);  // Fixed length of 8

  cpylit(op, "This is a 30 character string ");
  cat(op,op); /* Concatenate variable op with it self.  Now 60
   characters */

  cpy(symbolic,op);  /* Truncates it to 8 characters */

  cpy(op,symbolic);/* Copy it back.   */

I invite you download the macros and code at
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~oscarptyltd/fastsafe.html where a fuller
discussion can be found.



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Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Víctor de la Fuente

Hi all!

We're having a strange WLM behaviour. We're using a Resource Group for a
Service Class. We use this SC for controlling certain user jobs that could,
eventually, fill our CPU capacity. So the RG has a Maximum Capacity of 5000
Service Units. We have a z9 703 => approx. 6 SU. So, theoretically, its
max CPU consumption would be 8.33%. Now we have a job executing in that SC
with a 60%CPU consumption...

How can it be? Did I miss anything? Did I understand RG definition?

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Re: Can I intercept a DOM?

2007-04-13 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM


"Scott Fagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:15:11 +0200, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -snip-
> >Is there a way to determine when a message is DOM-ed from the
operator
> >console?
> -snip-
> 
> In addition to the SSI, you may also be able to use an extended MCS
console.
>  See the DOM(ALL) parameter.
> 
> Scott Fagen
> z/OS Core Technology Design
> IBM Poughkeepsie
> 

Binyamin, Scott,

The SSI hint made me go and look for a useable SSI application and my
Netview colleague came up with Netview sample CNMS4792 that does almost
what I was looking for.

The MCS console is another thing I will look at.

Thanks both for your help.

Kees.
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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM


""Víctor de la Fuente"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>...
> Hi all!
> 
> We're having a strange WLM behaviour. We're using a Resource Group for a
> Service Class. We use this SC for controlling certain user jobs that could,
> eventually, fill our CPU capacity. So the RG has a Maximum Capacity of 5000
> Service Units. We have a z9 703 => approx. 6 SU. So, theoretically, its
> max CPU consumption would be 8.33%. Now we have a job executing in that SC
> with a 60%CPU consumption...
> 
> How can it be? Did I miss anything? Did I understand RG definition?
> 

You have 2 problems with the units of the equation, 1 by 1000 another by 3600: 
if the 703 runs 60 MSU (meaning 60.000.000 SU per hour). The RG definition in 
in SU/sec, so 8% CPU should be 6000/3600*.08=1350 SU/sec.

Kees.
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Anyone have a SBCS translate table for code page 850 to 285

2007-04-13 Thread Andy Robertson
We are a UK site and use code page 285 on our z/OS system

our FTP.TCPXLBIN is a slightly tailored version of SEZATCPX(UK)
run through CONVXLAT of course

Just wondering now if any one has translate tables for 850<->285 we can rip 
off

Failing that translate tables for 850<->037 would be a good second best - we 
can adapt them without much trouble



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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 09:18 +0200, Víctor de la Fuente wrote:

> We're having a strange WLM behaviour. We're using a Resource Group for a
> Service Class. We use this SC for controlling certain user jobs that could,
> eventually, fill our CPU capacity. So the RG has a Maximum Capacity of 5000
> Service Units. We have a z9 703 => approx. 6 SU. So, theoretically, its
> max CPU consumption would be 8.33%. Now we have a job executing in that SC
> with a 60%CPU consumption...
> 
> How can it be? Did I miss anything? Did I understand RG definition?

Probably what you missed is that it is the *average* max CPU
consumption. Certainly not instantaneous.
How long does this task run at 60% (presumably of one engine) - and how
"active" is this SC ???. For example is it mainly idle except for this
target job ???.
And as always, use RMF PP for analysis, not something like SDSF.

Contrary to Kees, I believe you are on the right track with the maths -
the IBM SRM page shows the 703 as 27538 (and change) SU/sec. Personally,
I'd call that closer to 8 for the box.
But averages produced by a sampler are always going to be "rubbery".

Shane ...

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Víctor de la Fuente

As you said, the SC had no other jobs executing except that one; but that
one has been running at percentages between 30 and 60% for several minutes,
so the SU max quantity is surpassed!

About the total SU/sec, I think both calculations are right. The problem was
in my first post I used a (bad) approximation of 2 SU/CPU, instead of
almost 3 SU/CPU. By the way, as far as we are using Soft Capping, our
real SU rate is 41666SU/sec, or 150 MSU/hour.

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 12:19 +0200, Víctor de la Fuente wrote:

> By the way, as far as we are using Soft Capping, our
> real SU rate is 41666SU/sec, or 150 MSU/hour.

Interesting concept. How did you figure that ???.

Shane ...

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Rational Clearcase question

2007-04-13 Thread andy corpes

Hi Group

Our site is currently looking at replacing our mainframe source code
management tool (SCLM) with rational clearcase.

Can anyone on the list share any experience with rational clearcase used as
a zOS source code managmen tool, in particular, for COBOL & assmebler
components, either to replace SCLM or used in conjunction with SCLM.

I am particularly interested in the "TSO Client" application provided by IBM
to allow editing + checkin/out to be performed on the mainframe, as well as
any build management solutions.

The detail would be interesting, but at the moment i am more interested in
concepts & discussions.

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Re: Rexx LISTDSI problem on z/OS 1.7 ** SOLVED **

2007-04-13 Thread Nasuh KARAHALLI
Good news, focused on the datasets in our logon procedure and clists and 
been tracking every dataset one by one. In logon clist ISPPDF delivered in 
CPAC.CMRPROC there exists a tso related load module dataset called 
SYS1.AOST4 in ISPLLIB section, once I removed this dataset logged off and 
logged on back the problem has been resolved. Since this dataset was not in 
APF list, I added it to APF and added it to ISPPDF member back again but the 
problem still persists. By removing this dataset from logon clist we also 
happened to resolve 0C1 problems while entering ICSF and BOOKMANAGER 
etc.. Any ideas for this ?

Many thanks for your time and assistance. 

Kind regards.

Nasuh Karahalli.

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Re: When to start security product?

2007-04-13 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:25:46 -0500 Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

:>
:>If I were running any of the other 3 security products (RACF, ACF2, 
:>DEADBOLT) .. I would try to run it the same.
:>--
:>IIRC, RACF doesn't need to be "brought up" as such. Just run the task 
:>that establishes the in-storage parsing tables before issuing any RACF 
:>commands.

Well, that is because the guy three cubicles to the left takes care of
providing an internal API.

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Re: whiny question: Why won't z/OS support the HMC 3270 emulator

2007-04-13 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Altmark) writes:
> I tell you 3 times: Yes.  And XEDIT is way better than ISPF, too.  And
> VM had TCP/IP first.  And Rexx.  Nyah.  }:-)

some old mainframe tcp/ip folklore ... the original implementation was
done in vs/pascal ... but had some issues with its interface to external
boxes. somewhat as a result, it would get about 40kbyte/sec aggregate
thruput and could use a whole 3090 processor doing it. i did the rfc
1044 implementation and in some testing at cray research between a 4341
clone and a cray machine ... was getting 1mbyte/sec thruput using only a
modest amount of the 4341 processor (i.e. about 25 times the aggregate
thruput for about 1/20 the pathlength ... about 400-500 times difference
in bytes/transferred per instruction executed). misc. past posts
mentioning 1044 support
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044

the was "ported" to MVS and made available as a product by doing a vm
kernel "diagnose" emulation for MVS (i.e. diagnose instruction use in
vm is somewhat analogous to svc instruction in mvs).

some really old folklore ... was that later there was a outside
subcontract to implement tcp/ip support in vtam. the initial
implementation came back with tcp support significantly faster than
lu6.2 support. they were told that everybody knows that lu6.2 is much
more efficient than tcp ... and therefor the only way that tcp
implementation could be significantly faster than lu6.2 was if it was
implemented incorrectly ... and the contract wouldn't be fullfilled
unless there was a "correct" tcp implementation.

past post reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#77 COMTEN- IBM networking boxes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#13 Barbaras (mini-)rant
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#53 Mainframe Linux Mythbusting (Was: 
Using Java in batch on z/OS?)

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Víctor de la Fuente

Our Soft Capping works at 150 MSU. If (as Kees said) 1 MSU = 100 SU/hour
= 277'78 SU/sec, and we have 150 MSU => 41666'67 SU/sec.

Is that what you're asking?


2007/4/13, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 12:19 +0200, Víctor de la Fuente wrote:

> By the way, as far as we are using Soft Capping, our
> real SU rate is 41666SU/sec, or 150 MSU/hour.

Interesting concept. How did you figure that ???.

Shane ...

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>but that one has been running at percentages between 30 and 60% for several 
>minutes, so the SU max quantity is surpassed!

Using SDSF (or OMEGAMON, RMFMON [II III]) will not get accurate results because 
they are just sampling from the last time you hit enter.

As Shane stated, you have to get the information from the RMF PostProcessor (or 
something sinilar).

If that reports your '30 and 60%, then there is cause for alarm.

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Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Mark H. Young
OK boys and girls.er.um..ladies and gents, et al.  Anyhowseways.
.I have two, count 'em two z/OS 1.7 installation tapes from IBM.  I would 
like to first make of copy of both before I do anything with them.  I've dumped 
them and they are SL tapes, with lots of multi files.
29 on volume 1 and 953 on volume 2.

I seem to be having an Alzheimer's moment. Heck, it's Friday the 13th, right?!
So I know I want to use IEBGENER for the copy, but is there any way of NOT 
having to code each dataset name of each file for each input/output JCL DD 
statement?

Or maybe another utility, like FATS/FATAR, SLANAL, SLANCOPY, TAPEMAP, 
SAS, etc. that would just allow me to code the two input volsers and tell it 
the # of files each has?  Then just give it two scratch tapes for output?

THANX in advance,
Mark

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:50 +0200, Víctor de la Fuente wrote:

> Our Soft Capping works at 150 MSU. If (as Kees said) 1 MSU = 100 SU/hour
> = 277'78 SU/sec, and we have 150 MSU => 41666'67 SU/sec.

I thought that might have been the case - you're getting too involved in
the math.
Soft capping doesn't affect the SU delivery capacity of the machine. It
merely means you get dispatched for a proportionally less period of
time. And don't forget you still have 3 engines.
There is also the small matter that even the UP engine of the 7xx series
is only just capable of delivering slightly more than 100 MSU. The 703
engine is slightly below.

Shane ...

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Re: whiny question: Why won't z/OS support the HMC 3270 emulator

2007-04-13 Thread Gregory, Gary G
Ok, now I have a question - why did IBM drop support of Personal
Communications/3270 (PC/3270)?  Just wondering since I thought it was
the best at really emulating a 3278/3279 (ducking).

Gary Garland Gregory, MS
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Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: whiny question: Why won't z/OS support the HMC 3270
emulator

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:02:28 -0500, McKown, John 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>After all, z/VM does. Is z/VM so much superior to z/OS ?

I tell you 3 times:  Yes.  And XEDIT is way better than ISPF, too.  And
VM had 
TCP/IP first.  And Rexx.  Nyah.  }:-)

Alan Altmark

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread R.S.

Mark H. Young wrote:
[...] 

I seem to be having an Alzheimer's moment. Heck, it's Friday the 13th, right?!
So I know I want to use IEBGENER for the copy, but is there any way of NOT 
having to code each dataset name of each file for each input/output JCL DD 
statement?


No. 
There are ways to circumvent it. One I can imagine is to prepare multi-step job copying physical datasets, ergo using BLP.

You can then proivde fake names and increase file sequence number. It can be 
easily prepared using ISPF editor.
Caution: number of files > 255, more than job steps allowed. You can use IDCAMS 
REPRO's instead of IEBGENER.


Or maybe another utility, like FATS/FATAR, SLANAL, SLANCOPY, TAPEMAP, 
SAS, etc. that would just allow me to code the two input volsers and tell it 
the # of files each has?  Then just give it two scratch tapes for output?


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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread willie bunter
FATS/FATAR is your answer.  Bruce can elaborate on FATS/FATAR.  He is the 
expert.

"Mark H. Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  OK boys and 
girls.er.um..ladies and gents, et al. Anyhowseways.
.I have two, count 'em two z/OS 1.7 installation tapes from IBM. I would 
like to first make of copy of both before I do anything with them. I've dumped 
them and they are SL tapes, with lots of multi files.
29 on volume 1 and 953 on volume 2.

I seem to be having an Alzheimer's moment. Heck, it's Friday the 13th, right?!
So I know I want to use IEBGENER for the copy, but is there any way of NOT 
having to code each dataset name of each file for each input/output JCL DD 
statement?

Or maybe another utility, like FATS/FATAR, SLANAL, SLANCOPY, TAPEMAP, 
SAS, etc. that would just allow me to code the two input volsers and tell it 
the # of files each has? Then just give it two scratch tapes for output?

THANX in advance,
Mark

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CPU capping

2007-04-13 Thread Walter Marguccio
Hello list,

within the Try&buy agreement with IBM, we temporarily enhanced our z890 from
capacity setting 230 to 470.  Needless to say that everybody within our 
organization and the
customers, too, were impressed by the improved response time. 
But time has come to get back to our original model, and I'm looking for a way 
to make this
move as smoothly as possible. I'm thinking to gradually capping the CPs of our 
PROD LPAR,
but I'm not sure whether a SOFT capping of HARD capping might help. 
>From what I understood by RTFM, SOFT capping does not prevent the  CPC to 
>exceed the defined capacity.
On the other hand, HARD capping would require a IPL, since  the LPAR's profile 
needs to  be updated
and a deactivate/activate is needed. I'd avoid this, if possible.

Anyone faced this already in the past and found out how to go back to a slower 
CPC in a less drastic way?

Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
Munich - Germany

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Shane
Try Sams contribution to the CBT - very good.
And excellent value for money.

Shane ...

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REXX Under IPCS

2007-04-13 Thread Hardee, Charles H
Hello All,

 

Does anyone know if a REXX EXEC can be compiled and linked into a load
module and then executed within an IPCS session?

 

First, yes, the EXEC has IPCS commands in it.

Second, it works as an interpreted EXEC just fine.

Third, it works as a compiled, not linked to load module, EXEC as well
(CEXEC).

 

The basic REXX commands work in the load module form. By this I mean
that my "say", "if" and assignment statements are working just fine.

It is only the IPCS statements that are getting errors.

 

For instance, the following command:

 

Address IPCS "EVALSYM CVT REXX(ADDRESS(CVTADDR))"

gets a return code of 16 when I compile and link and then execute under
IPCS.

 

If I execute the following:

address IPCS
say "Current environment: "address()

 

I get:

 

Current environment: IPCS

 

Also, I have tested in both IPCS under interactive TSO as well as
executing IPCS under IKJEFT01 in batch and get the same results.

 

Thanks,

Chuck

 

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Software Engineer

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Re: CPU capping

2007-04-13 Thread R.S.

Walter Marguccio wrote:

Hello list,

within the Try&buy agreement with IBM, we temporarily enhanced our z890 from
capacity setting 230 to 470.  Needless to say that everybody within our 
organization and the
customers, too, were impressed by the improved response time. 
But time has come to get back to our original model, and I'm looking for a way to make this

move as smoothly as possible. I'm thinking to gradually capping the CPs of our 
PROD LPAR,
but I'm not sure whether a SOFT capping of HARD capping might help. 

From what I understood by RTFM, SOFT capping does not prevent the  CPC to 
exceed the defined capacity.

On the other hand, HARD capping would require a IPL, since  the LPAR's profile 
needs to  be updated
and a deactivate/activate is needed. I'd avoid this, if possible.


HARD capping is NOT disruptive. It does require neither LPAR deactivate, nor 
IPL.

AFAIK soft capping *does* prevent CPC to exceed defined capacity. It allows for *temporary* peaks, but you pay for 4-hr rolling average. 



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IFAHONORPRIORITY (Was: Re: zAAP Eligible Work)

2007-04-13 Thread John Eells
Below, Tom posted the book's description of the original 
implementation of IFAHONORPRIORITY.  But customers told us that 
they would much prefer that we "filled up the zAAPs" before using 
CP resource for Java workload.  So in z/OS R8, and also with 
APARs OA14131 and OA13953 for z/OS R6 and R7, we changed it to do 
that (more or less):


*YES*

Specifies that standard processors run both zAAP processor 
eligible and non-zAAP processor eligible work in priority order 
when the zAAP processors indicate the need for help from standard 
processors. The need for help is determined by the alternate wait 
management (AWM) function of SRM for both standard and zAAP 
processors. Standard processors help each other and standard 
processors can also help zAAP processors if YES is in effect. 
Specifying yes does not mean the priorities will always be 
honored because the system manages dispatching priorities based 
on the goals provided in the WLM service definition. AWM should 
not be disabled when IFAHONORPRIORITY=YES is in effect. See the 
description for parameter CCCAWMT for a description of AWM.


If zAAP processors are defined to the LPAR but are not online, 
the zAAP processor eligible work units are processed by standard 
processors in priority order. The system ignores the 
IFAHONORPRIORITY parameter in this case and handles the work as 
if it had no eligibility to zAAP processors. The zAAP processor 
eligible processor times are reported in RMF and SMF for planning 
purposes. Standard processors can also run zAAP processor 
eligible work (even if IFAHONORPRIORITY is set to NO), if 
necessary to resolve contention for resources with non-zAAP 
processor eligible work.


IBM suggests that you specify or default to IFAHONORPRIORITY=YES.


*NO*

Specifies that standard processors will not examine zAAP 
processor eligible work regardless of the demand for zAAP 
processors as long as there is standard processor eligible work 
available.


Tom Moulder wrote:

Something else to consider are two IEAOPTxx parameters for WLM control of
zAAP eligible workloads.

IFACROSSOVER controls whether standard CPs will be used for zAAP eligible
work.  If YES (the default), then standard CPs will be used along with zAAP
CPs.  zAAP CPs will be preferred, but standard CPs are not excluded from
consideration based on workload.  If NO, then standard CPs are not
considered for zAAP eligible work unless there are no zAAP CPs present.

IFAHONORPRIORITY controls the workload priority settings for zAAP eligible
work that is executed on standard CPs.  If YES (the default), then all work
on a standard CP will execute based on WLM assigned priority.  If NO, then
all zAAP eligible work that is assigned for execution on a standard CP will
be scheduled at a lower priority than non-zAAP eligible workloads.




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Re: REXX Under IPCS

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Wright
Charles (Chuck) Hardee wrote on 2007-04-13 08:50:29:

> Does anyone know if a REXX EXEC can be compiled and linked into a load
> module and then executed within an IPCS session?

No, the compiled REXX load module format bumps into the logic within the
IPCS monitor that allows you to intermingle TSO commands with your IPCS
subcommands to the extent that they're unambiguous.  When IPCS runs what it
considers to be a TSO command, there is no support supplied for the TSO
command to communicate with IPCS services.  Use one of the other REXX
compiler formats if you want to compile an exec for use with IPCS.

I think that we got the restriction documented - briefly - at the time that
the REXX compiler developed their support.  If you don't find it where
you'd expect to find the documentation, please submit a reader's comment
form.  If the restriction is a significant inconvenience, please submit a
requirement.  At the moment I don't know of any really simple way to tell
IPCS that a module should be handled so that IPCS subcommands embedded
within it will be honored, but we'd take another look if it turns out to be
important.

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Re: REXX Under IPCS

2007-04-13 Thread Hardee, Charles H
Thanks Bob.
I guess I'll go back to using CEXEC format.
Chuck

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Charles (Chuck) Hardee wrote on 2007-04-13 08:50:29:

> Does anyone know if a REXX EXEC can be compiled and linked into a load
> module and then executed within an IPCS session?

No, the compiled REXX load module format bumps into the logic within the
IPCS monitor that allows you to intermingle TSO commands with your IPCS
subcommands to the extent that they're unambiguous.  When IPCS runs what
it
considers to be a TSO command, there is no support supplied for the TSO
command to communicate with IPCS services.  Use one of the other REXX
compiler formats if you want to compile an exec for use with IPCS.

I think that we got the restriction documented - briefly - at the time
that
the REXX compiler developed their support.  If you don't find it where
you'd expect to find the documentation, please submit a reader's comment
form.  If the restriction is a significant inconvenience, please submit
a
requirement.  At the moment I don't know of any really simple way to
tell
IPCS that a module should be handled so that IPCS subcommands embedded
within it will be honored, but we'd take another look if it turns out to
be
important.

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:23:15 -0500, Mark H. Young
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I would
>like to first make of copy of both before I do anything with them.  I've dumped
>them and they are SL tapes, with lots of multi files.
>29 on volume 1 and 953 on volume 2.
>

>So I know I want to use IEBGENER for the copy, but is there any way of NOT
>having to code each dataset name of each file for each input/output JCL DD
>statement?
>
>Or maybe another utility, like FATS/FATAR, SLANAL, SLANCOPY, TAPEMAP,
>SAS, etc. that would just allow me to code the two input volsers and tell it
>the # of files each has?  Then just give it two scratch tapes for output?
>

Sure you can use utilities like FATAR, FATSCOPY, DITTO, COPYCAT, etc.,
but they all cost $$.

Try Sam Golob's COPYMODS or one of the other tape copy utilities from
file 229 of the cbt:  http://www.cbttape.org

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Jousma, David
 
You don't say it, but do you have IBM's File Manager?  That is really
DITTO under the covers, and will do the copy easily.

Dave


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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:23:15 -0500, Mark H. Young
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I would
>like to first make of copy of both before I do anything with them.  
>I've dumped them and they are SL tapes, with lots of multi files.
>29 on volume 1 and 953 on volume 2.
>

>So I know I want to use IEBGENER for the copy, but is there any way of 
>NOT having to code each dataset name of each file for each input/output

>JCL DD statement?
>
>Or maybe another utility, like FATS/FATAR, SLANAL, SLANCOPY, TAPEMAP, 
>SAS, etc. that would just allow me to code the two input volsers and 
>tell it the # of files each has?  Then just give it two scratch tapes
for output?
>

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Re: Rexx LISTDSI problem on z/OS 1.7 ** SOLVED **

2007-04-13 Thread Dennis Trojak
I checked the ISPPDF clist in my CPAC library and that dataset is not in
the ISPLLIB section nor would I expect to find it. SYS1.AOST4 is a DLIB
dataset.
Dennis 

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Subject: Re: Rexx LISTDSI problem on z/OS 1.7 ** SOLVED **

Good news, focused on the datasets in our logon procedure and clists and

been tracking every dataset one by one. In logon clist ISPPDF delivered
in 
CPAC.CMRPROC there exists a tso related load module dataset called 
SYS1.AOST4 in ISPLLIB section, once I removed this dataset logged off
and 
logged on back the problem has been resolved. Since this dataset was not
in 
APF list, I added it to APF and added it to ISPPDF member back again but
the 
problem still persists. By removing this dataset from logon clist we
also 
happened to resolve 0C1 problems while entering ICSF and BOOKMANAGER 
etc.. Any ideas for this ?

Many thanks for your time and assistance. 

Kind regards.

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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the 
> sky is falling!!)
> 
> I agree that the technology is certainly getting better at 
> allowing this 
> sort of thing, but:
> 
> a) can be difficult at some customer shops due to internal security 
> concerns.  Some may not even let you connect to their network 
> without a 
> virus scan, let alone get out to the internet.

True here. NO non-company PC is allowed to connect to our LAN. Virus
scanned or not, it doesn't matter. It is forbidden!

> 


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Re: IFAHONORPRIORITY (Was: Re: zAAP Eligible Work)

2007-04-13 Thread Tom Moulder
Thank you John, I was not aware of those changes.

Tom Moulder


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Below, Tom posted the book's description of the original 
implementation of IFAHONORPRIORITY.  But customers told us that 
they would much prefer that we "filled up the zAAPs" before using 
CP resource for Java workload.  So in z/OS R8, and also with 
APARs OA14131 and OA13953 for z/OS R6 and R7, we changed it to do 
that (more or less):

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Re: Anyone have a SBCS translate table for code page 850 to 285

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
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> 
> 
> We are a UK site and use code page 285 on our z/OS system
> 
> our FTP.TCPXLBIN is a slightly tailored version of SEZATCPX(UK)
> run through CONVXLAT of course
> 
> Just wondering now if any one has translate tables for 
> 850<->285 we can rip 
> off
> 
> Failing that translate tables for 850<->037 would be a good 
> second best - we 
> can adapt them without much trouble

Have you looked in TCPIP.SEZATCPX? Maybe member EZAAS00G or UK

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Jousma, David
I forgot to ask, out of curiosity, why make copies?   



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>I've dumped them and they are SL tapes, with lots of multi files.

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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jim Marshall
> 
> Went off to one of my ISV vendors and asked if the JAVA 
> coding in their product would be run on the zAAP processor I 
> am implementing on my two z9BC machines.  The response was 
> 
> "In order for XXX to use the ZAAP engines, it would have 
> to be started in a special enclave eligible for ZAAP 
> processing.  We don't do that."
> 
> Does this ring a bell with anyone as being a true statement.

Sounds like it got confused with how work becomes eligible for running
on a zIIP (SRB enclave).  AFAIK (which ain't very far), the z/OS JVM
"decides" what runs on the zAAP, and Java code runs in a JVM.

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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread Craddock, Chris
>> Are you aware of what other work might be zAAP eligible?
> John, publicly, no.  The only workload that I know of today is Java.

Publicly or privately the answer is still no. zAAP processors run JAVA
code in the IBM-supplied JVM. Period. IBM has disclosed statements of
direction concerning certain functions that may become eligible to run
on the offload engines in a future release but as far as I know zAAPs
will still be JAVA only. 

As Ed mentioned somewhere earlier, the interface to the zAAP has not
been disclosed - although a few people outside IBM have a pretty good
idea how it works. For all practical purposes it is a private interface
between the JVM and the dispatcher and even though we know how it works,
it would be a direct violation of the T&Cs to even try to circumvent it.
In contrast, the interface to the zIIP -is- disclosed to vendors under
license. Meaning "we know but we can't tell you". Both are intentionally
limited in the work they can run.

> it's touted as a "Java" processor, 'cuz that's the only thing using it
> today.  Read between the lines from this redbook:

Don't bother reading between the lines. It's touted as a JAVA processor
because it is a JAVA processor. It is just an ordinary z cpu engine, but
the OS makes sure that only JVM work runs on it. Ergo "it's a JAVA
processor".

> If it were only destined to be a "java" processor, sans any copyright
> considerations or politically correct names, I would have expected a
name
> like "zJAP" (LOL).  Now, on the other hand, they hit the nail on the
head
> when they named the "IFL".
> 
> It's an "application assist processor", or formally, "integrated
facility
> for applications" - read between the lines - reduce mainframe TCO -
don't
> charge for software - more open source leverage...  blah, blah, blah.

The zAAP -name- came very late in the game. When it was first disclosed
to us it was called an IFA, which probably stood for "integrated
facility for applications" as you suggest. However, after the marketers
had their way with it, the name became zAAP. That happens a lot. The
lesson is not to read any intelligent meaning into the names. Often
enough the names are just the product of a fevered marketing brain. 

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Re: Can I intercept a DOM?

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Hoelscher
yes - but beware if it is DOM DELUISE ... it might hurt

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:46:12 -0400, Jousma, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>I forgot to ask, out of curiosity, why make copies?
>

>You don't say it, but do you have IBM's File Manager?  That is really
>DITTO under the covers, and will do the copy easily.
>
>

YES, I have IBM's File Manager, but I don't think I've ever used it before.
I've used DITTO a little.  Can you create File Mgr JCL for batch job submit,
or will FM try to do it online and interactive?

As to why make a copy?  We are sending these tapes offsite for another
group (consultant) to build our system for us.  Company is PSR.
My boss wants a copy for safe keeping in our tape library.

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Re: EOV detection on tape volume

2007-04-13 Thread Art Celestini
At 09:07 PM 4/12/2007, Charles Mills wrote:
  
>[...snip...]
>Does anyone know if EOV breaks a CCW chain? If the software is writing a
>chain of (say) 5 blocks, and EOV is detected during the writing of the
>second block, does it break the chain? Does I/O error recovery have to
>re-issue the EXCP for the last three blocks, presumably on the new volume?

As I recall, the channel program ends on the write CCW that encounters the
end-of-tape "reflector."  The CSW has Unit Exception and the address+8 of 
the last CCW executed.  Its up to the access method (or a program using 
EXCP) to drive EOV processing (which writes the trailer labels, switches
to a new volume and writes new header labels there) and then include any 
unwritten blocks in the first channel program constructed for the new 
volume.  ERP never gets involved, since this is not considered an error.





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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 4/13/2007 7:23:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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SAS,  etc. that would just allow me to code the two input volsers and tell it 
 
the # of files each has?  Then just give it two scratch tapes for  output?




>>
SAS works fine. TAPECOPY works too, what have you  tried?



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Re: Fast and Safe C Strings: User friendly C macros to Declare and use C Strings.

2007-04-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Clem Clarke said:

> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:11:45 +0800
> 
> I have spent some years studying this problem and have developed some
> User friendly C macros that solve the problem.
> 
These are reminiscent of the StrAllocCat, StrAllocCopy, et. al.
family of string functions which are used in Mosaic and its
browser progeny.  References at site:w3.org and site:webhistory.org
for example.

We're in agreement tnat C strings were ill-conceived.  z/OS Unix
services BPX1* assembler callable interfaces wisely eschewed them
in favor of descriptors.  Are your macros compatible with either
the descriptors used by PL/I or those used by BPX1*?  (Are the
two the same?)

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z/OS 1.8 dialog manager wont allocate on cylindar boundry

2007-04-13 Thread Ginnie Nuckles
We are using the Dialog manager for z/OS v1.8. in trying to install this
new release we are running into a problem with dataset allocation. We   
select the "Modify system Layout" panel then "Data Set Summary" .. after
which we select individual datasets for modification. We are changing   
the primary and secondary space allocation to be on a cylindar boundry..
but after saving the configuration the dialog manager adds 1 track to   
the allocation throwing off the cylindar boundry and defeating the  
purpose. We did additional testing and noticed only VSAM and HFS files  
are the only types where the dialog was adding 1 track to the allocation
that was changed. Changes to SEQ, PDS, and PDSE datasets were accepted  
by the dialog.  

you can see in this example ROOT was changed to be on a cylindar boundry
with an allocation of 39990 and saved .. but when I went back and looked
you can see it was changed to add the additional track ???  


OMVSZ18.ROOT HFS 39991   

(ps.   it doesnt help to reduce the allocation by 1 track.. the dialog manager 
will add 2 still bumping it beyond the cylindar boundry ,, ie. if trying to 
allocate 
39989  it will change to 39991 ?? very kooky) 

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Jim McAlpine

On 4/13/07, Mark H. Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:46:12 -0400, Jousma, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

YES, I have IBM's File Manager, but I don't think I've ever used it
before.
I've used DITTO a little.  Can you create File Mgr JCL for batch job
submit,
or will FM try to do it online and interactive?

As to why make a copy?  We are sending these tapes offsite for another
group (consultant) to build our system for us.  Company is PSR.
My boss wants a copy for safe keeping in our tape library.

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Yes you can run it in batch, something like this -

//FILEMGR EXEC PGM=FILEMGR
//STEPLIB  DD  DSN=FMN310.SFMNMOD1,DISP=SHR
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSABEND DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*
//INPUTDD  UNIT=291,VOL=SER=(INPUT),
// DISP=SHR,LABEL=(1,BLP)
//OUTPUT   DD  UNIT=290,VOL=SER=(OUTPUT),
// DISP=SHR,LABEL=(1,BLP)
//SYSINDD  *
££FILEM TT INPUT=INPUT,OUTPUT=OUTPUT,
££FILEMNFILES=EOV
££FILEM EOJ
/*

Jim McAlpine

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:18:32 +0200, Víctor de la Fuente
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi all!
>
>We're having a strange WLM behaviour. We're using a Resource Group for a
>Service Class. We use this SC for controlling certain user jobs that could,
>eventually, fill our CPU capacity. So the RG has a Maximum Capacity of 5000
>Service Units. We have a z9 703 => approx. 6 SU. So, theoretically, its
>max CPU consumption would be 8.33%. Now we have a job executing in that SC
>with a 60%CPU consumption...
>
>How can it be? Did I miss anything? Did I understand RG definition?
>

I see a 703 as 27539 SU/s.   Are there 3 LPs on this LPAR?  What is
the weight of the LPAR?  Where did you get the 60% number 
from (SDSF, RMF, etc.)?   What does RMF III say?  Look at the RG 
display.

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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread John Eells

Craddock, Chris wrote:


The zAAP -name- came very late in the game. When it was first disclosed
to us it was called an IFA, which probably stood for "integrated
facility for applications" as you suggest. However, after the marketers
had their way with it, the name became zAAP. That happens a lot. The
lesson is not to read any intelligent meaning into the names. Often
enough the names are just the product of a fevered marketing brain. 



...then again, though I've no idea what happened in this case 
(despite my job title and my perhaps sometimes-fevered brain, I'm 
not actually in Marketing), sometimes the original name does not 
make it through the name search and it gets changed for that reason.


And IIRC, IFA did indeed originally stand for what you suggested 
above.


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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

2007-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
That is of course your company's choice, and one that is not patently
unreasonable.

The subject at hand is ISV demos. I think most ISVs make their mainframes
more accessible, for example to home-based developers. Why? It's important
to their business, they don't have billion dollar transactions on the
mainframe, and yes, perhaps because they are run more by the technologists
and less by the security auditors.

Also on this topic, regarding Wireless Internet cards for laptops:

- The Sprint service I believe includes a free card -- well, "free" if not
free.

- Verizon offers unlimited high-speed EV-DO access for $59.95/month at least
under some circumstances -- because that is what I pay. As I recall I just
had to ask for the sixty buck plan rather than the eighty buck plan.

Charles

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> a) can be difficult at some customer shops due to internal security 
> concerns.  Some may not even let you connect to their network 
> without a 
> virus scan, let alone get out to the internet.

True here. NO non-company PC is allowed to connect to our LAN. Virus
scanned or not, it doesn't matter. It is forbidden!

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Re: CPU capping

2007-04-13 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
>within the Try&buy agreement with IBM, we temporarily enhanced our z890
from
>capacity setting 230 to 470.  Needless to say that everybody within our
organization and the
>customers, too, were impressed by the improved response time.

Walter - I'm guessing its not too much of a stretch to think the IBM
marketing guys would say your missing the point - Its a Try& >BUY<
agreement.  Don't turn it off - just buy it!  ;-)

I don't like the gradual idea... just extends the pain... like slowly
turning the screws on the rack.  If you have to turn it off, just chop away
and make sure the management fellow who signed the agreement sends the
change notification out.

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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread Edward Jaffe

Todd Burch wrote:

If it were only destined to be a "java" processor, sans any copyright
considerations or politically correct names, I would have expected a name
like "zJAP" (LOL).  Now, on the other hand, they hit the nail on the head
when they named the "IFL".
  


The original name was 'JAF'. I made a joke during the disclosure that, 
when IBM would eventually decide to extend the technology with 
'Functional Extensions' (JAFFE), I would not claim infringement of any sort.


By the time the hardware and software was developed/tested, it had been 
renamed to 'IFA'. That name persists today.


The "official" name was changed to 'zAAP' by marketing people at 
(practically) the last minute. Far too late to make any sort of change 
in already-developed hardware and software.


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Re: whiny question: Why won't z/OS support the HMC 3270 emulator

2007-04-13 Thread Edward Jaffe

Gregory, Gary G wrote:

Ok, now I have a question - why did IBM drop support of Personal
Communications/3270 (PC/3270)?  Just wondering since I thought it was
the best at really emulating a 3278/3279 (ducking).
  


If they dropped support for it, it's news to me. I'm running what I 
believe to be the latest (PCOM 5.9) and I *think* it's fully supported!


At the very least, I'm certain of these facts: Phoenix Software is 
paying annually for PCOM maintenance and the build date on the version 
I'm running right now is July 2006.


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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shane said:

> Subject:  Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???
> 
> Try Sams contribution to the CBT - very good.
> And excellent value for money.
> 
Does it:

o Allow the user to control the VOLSER while copying all other
  information from the HDR1 labels?

o Allow the user to copy fewer data sets than all on the input
  volume?  (The first N would suffice for me; no need for
  discontiguous selection.)

o OPEN each output data set, so it gets catalogued by the
  tape management product?

o Support creating additional new data sets beyond those copied?
  (Separate job step works, but we have some cumbersome
  interactions with the tape management product we use.)

o Operate with minimal user interaction to "confirm foreign
  volume"?

o Generally provide compatibility with tape management products?

SAS does the first two of these well; not so well on the
remainder.  An expert tells me that FATAR does better, but
my management tells me that our license terms do not allow
me to use FATAR.

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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread David Andrews
Todd Burch wrote:
> If it were only destined to be a "java" processor, sans any copyright
> considerations

Since "Java" is trademarked by Sun, that's probably all it takes to
furrow the brows of IBM lawyers.  Hence no zJAP (or JAFFE, or anything
that contains a "J").

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Imbriale, Donald
Check it out at http://www.cbttape.org/ftp/cbt/CBT006.zip

Don Imbriale
 
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Subject: Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

In a recent note, Shane said:

> Subject:  Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???
> 
> Try Sams contribution to the CBT - very good.
> And excellent value for money.
> 
Does it:

o Allow the user to control the VOLSER while copying all other
  information from the HDR1 labels?

o Allow the user to copy fewer data sets than all on the input
  volume?  (The first N would suffice for me; no need for
  discontiguous selection.)

o OPEN each output data set, so it gets catalogued by the
  tape management product?

o Support creating additional new data sets beyond those copied?
  (Separate job step works, but we have some cumbersome
  interactions with the tape management product we use.)

o Operate with minimal user interaction to "confirm foreign
  volume"?

o Generally provide compatibility with tape management products?

SAS does the first two of these well; not so well on the
remainder.  An expert tells me that FATAR does better, but
my management tells me that our license terms do not allow
me to use FATAR.



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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Gregory, Gary G
Are you wanting to make a one-for-one copy of the tapes?  If so, I can
give you an example using DITTO (assuming you want to use DITTO).

Gary Garland Gregory, MS
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Subject: Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:46:12 -0400, Jousma, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>I forgot to ask, out of curiosity, why make copies?
>

>You don't say it, but do you have IBM's File Manager?  That is really
>DITTO under the covers, and will do the copy easily.
>
>

YES, I have IBM's File Manager, but I don't think I've ever used it
before.
I've used DITTO a little.  Can you create File Mgr JCL for batch job
submit,
or will FM try to do it online and interactive?

As to why make a copy?  We are sending these tapes offsite for another
group (consultant) to build our system for us.  Company is PSR.
My boss wants a copy for safe keeping in our tape library.

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Rick Fochtman

---
OK boys and girls.er.um..ladies and gents, et al. 
Anyhowseways..I have two, count 'em two z/OS 1.7 installation 
tapes from IBM. I would like to first make of copy of both before I do 
anything with them. I've dumped them and they are SL tapes, with lots of 
multi files. 29 on volume 1 and 953 on volume 2.


I seem to be having an Alzheimer's moment. Heck, it's Friday the 13th, 
right?! So I know I want to use IEBGENER for the copy, but is there any 
way of NOT having to code each dataset name of each file for each 
input/output JCL DD statement?


Or maybe another utility, like FATS/FATAR, SLANAL, SLANCOPY, TAPEMAP, 
SAS, etc. that would just allow me to code the two input volsers and 
tell it the # of files each has? Then just give it two scratch tapes for 
output?

-
Something I've done in the past is to slap together a simple Assembler 
macro using PUNCH statements to create JCL with substitutions based on 
parameters. Then I edit a TAPEMAP listing to build the invocation 
statements,  assemble the result and edit the SYSPUNCH output to insert 
JOB statements, etc. With that many files on the second tape, you might 
consider using (UGH!!) IEHMOVE to make the copy.


The TAPECOPY utility, from the CBT site, also does an EXCELLENT job of 
copying a tape. I recommend it highly!!!


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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread Barry Merrill
In my opinion, zAAPs, and zIIPS and zFLS and all of the newfangled
processor type were created solely by IBM hardware gurus who could
not get IBM Marketing to reduce the prices of their CPs and the
software running on their CPs, and these hardware types knew that
if marketing wasn't going to reduce the price of z/SYSTEM hardware,
that they'd have no jobs in the future, and they invented these new
engines, and all of the software scheduling, monitoring, managing,
etc. so they could keep their jobs creating z/SYSTEM hardware. 

And of course, now, we users have to learn how to introduce these new 
engines, how to set parameters (e.g., this thread), how to select what
work can be used on them, how to recover and account their costs, i.e., we have 
to spend our time (our money) on our people costs,
which means our companies have to pay a lot more people money to save any 
hardware money on these cheaper engines.

I can see NO virtue in these processors as technical designs, as the 
added software decision logic to decide on what to run where is unquestionably 
an unnecessary overhead, and technically we'd be far
better served, with less overhead and no new people training costs, had IBM 
marketing instead reduced the prices of their CPs and
associated CP-driven software costs.

That the hardware guys had to invent these devices so they could be
priced cheaper - now those guys do deserve great credit for solving
a problem they shouldn't have had to solve - and for making it possible
for future zSYSTEMS to exist in the artificial pricing world of IBM.

Barry Merrill

Herbert W. Barry Merrill, PhD
President-Programmer
Merrill Consultants
MXG Software 
10717 Cromwell Drive
Dallas, TX 75229
www.mxg.com 


P.S. My opinion has been affirmed by many leading IBM Technicians,
 privately.

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IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Pelletier
Hi All. Could someone point me too the IVP for JAVA when installed with
OS390 V2R10? Need to run HELLO WORLD ASAP to prove to users JAVA on
frame can work. Thanks all. 


Have a Nice Day !
 
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Re: whiny question: Why won't z/OS support the HMC 3270 emulator

2007-04-13 Thread Gregory, Gary G
Well, I couldn't find a place to order it and I had heard that support
was being dropped or was already dropped.  Again, this was not
confirmed, that's why I'm asking.  

Also, if it's still actively marketed, does anyone have a website
address where it can be ordered?  I've searched IBM & IBMLink.

Have a good weekend everyone!

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emulator

Gregory, Gary G wrote:
> Ok, now I have a question - why did IBM drop support of Personal
> Communications/3270 (PC/3270)?  Just wondering since I thought it was
> the best at really emulating a 3278/3279 (ducking).
>   

If they dropped support for it, it's news to me. I'm running what I 
believe to be the latest (PCOM 5.9) and I *think* it's fully supported!

At the very least, I'm certain of these facts: Phoenix Software is 
paying annually for PCOM maintenance and the build date on the version 
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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
I totally agree with Barry Merrill's assessment of why these engines
exist. But it is not totally IBM marketting's fault. It is the fault, if
fault is the correct word, of most of the larger software vendors. And
it is spreading down to the "open system" arena with "value pricing"
that is being started.

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:55:59 -0400, Gregory, Gary G 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Are you wanting to make a one-for-one copy of the tapes?  If so, I can
>give you an example using DITTO (assuming you want to use DITTO).
>
>Gary Garland Gregory, MS
>CA
>Senior Software Engineer

YES.  Someone gave me a sample set of JCL, and I've been experimenting,
but if you have some DITTO (IBM File Manager) JCL, that would be great.
DITTO is actually IBM File Manager on z/OS under wraps, right?
THANX, Mark

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark H. Young
> 
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:55:59 -0400, Gregory, Gary G wrote:
> 
> >Are you wanting to make a one-for-one copy of the tapes?  If 
> so, I can 
> >give you an example using DITTO (assuming you want to use DITTO).
> >
> >Gary Garland Gregory, MS
> >CA
> >Senior Software Engineer
> 
> YES.  Someone gave me a sample set of JCL, and I've been 
> experimenting, but if you have some DITTO (IBM File Manager) 
> JCL, that would be great.
> DITTO is actually IBM File Manager on z/OS under wraps, right?

Probably more accurate to say that IBM FM is DITTO on steroids.  :-)

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
On my z/OS 1.6 system, there is a file HelloWorld.class in
/usr/lpp/jdk140/normal-J1.4/

to run it, use the TSO OMVS command. When you get a prompt, enter:

java /usr/lpp/jdk140/normal-J1.4/HelloWorld.class

This was the oldest JDK that I could find on my system. I also have the
HelloWorld.class in:

/usr/lpp/jdk142/J1.4/
/usr/lpp/jdk150/J5.0_64/

So I guess it comes with the JDK.

Oh, the above assumes that you have the PATH and JAVA_HOME environment
variables set up correctly. If they are not, then assuming the first
path to your JDK is correct, then enter the commands:

export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lpp/jdk140/normal-J1.4/bin
export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lpp/jdk140/normal-J1.4/

Then do the "java" command. In my system, I have the equivalent of those
commands in:
/etc/profile

which is automatically used (sourced in UNIX terminology) when the
/bin/sh (UNIX shell) is started as a "login" shell (as the TSO OMVS
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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
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> 
> Probably more accurate to say that IBM FM is DITTO on steroids.  :-)
> 
> -jc-

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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread Craddock, Chris
Barry wrote
> In my opinion, zAAPs, and zIIPS and zFLS and all of the newfangled
> processor type were created solely by IBM hardware gurus who could
> not get IBM Marketing to reduce the prices of their CPs and the
> software running on their CPs, and these hardware types knew that
> if marketing wasn't going to reduce the price of z/SYSTEM hardware,
> that they'd have no jobs in the future, and they invented these new
> engines, and all of the software scheduling, monitoring, managing,
> etc. so they could keep their jobs creating z/SYSTEM hardware.
 technically we'd be far
> better served, with less overhead and no new people training costs,
had
> IBM marketing instead reduced the prices of their CPs and
> associated CP-driven software costs.
> 
> That the hardware guys had to invent these devices so they could be
> priced cheaper - now those guys do deserve great credit for solving
> a problem they shouldn't have had to solve - and for making it
possible
> for future zSYSTEMS to exist in the artificial pricing world of IBM.

Weell... not quite. Your're dead right on all counts with respect to
the costs and the overheads (naturally) but the idea didn't just spring
fully formed from the "hardware guys" and it wasn't directly in response
to Neanderthal marketing guys either. There was clearly a desperate need
for a new pricing model and the simplest solution would just be to have
different (SMF) accounting "counters" depending on what work was being
done. 

However, that idea would not pass muster with the LAWYERS - who said, in
effect, "you can't charge two different prices for the same thing
without getting us flayed by the DOJ". Leaving aside for a moment the
question of whether that was really true in a legal sense (IBM doesn't
seem to have any trouble at all in charging different prices for the
same thing, to different customers all over the US and all over the
world) there had to be a solution that involved a physically different
configuration to attach prices to.

Anyway, the hardware guys (and Bob Rogers, philosopher prince of the IBM
brand organization) came up with this "solution" to a legal problem, not
a technical problem. Bottom line on all of this is that software costs
are the pink elephant in the middle of the room in every conversation
with a customer these days. If they had not done something, whacky as it
was, they would be in even deeper doo-doo than they (and we all) are
now.

CC

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Víctor de la Fuente

Yes, there are 3 LPs on the LPAR. This LPAR is the only MVS LPAR running on
the CPC. It's capped to 150 MSUs.

The percentages where took from SDSF. I know I should have gone through RMF,
but I didn't go then and now I can't.

Nevertheless, now we are seeing a normal behaviour in jobs associated with
that SC; so I'm thinking that maybe the problem is what you're saying: relay
on SDSF displays...

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Re: Did I understand the manuals?

2007-04-13 Thread Víctor de la Fuente

Well, Soft-Capping doesn't affect the SU delivery capacity of the machine
but the SUs the machine delivers at all. I mean, the SU capacity of the
machine is given by the number and model of its CPUs, but with Capping you
can limit its real power to the one you need. If you put 150 MSU
Soft-Capping, the LPAR will be given 150 MSU in a 4-rolling hour mean.
Without Capping, our CPC reaches to 228 MSU, if I remember well...

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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Jousma, David
Just go through the File Manager panels, and fill in the appropriate
blanks, and it will generate the JCL you need.   Try it, you'll like
it).

Dave 



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YES, I have IBM's File Manager, but I don't think I've ever used it
before.
I've used DITTO a little.  Can you create File Mgr JCL for batch job
submit, or will FM try to do it online and interactive?

As to why make a copy?  We are sending these tapes offsite for another
group (consultant) to build our system for us.  Company is PSR.
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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:43:32 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark H. Young
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:55:59 -0400, Gregory, Gary G wrote:
>>
>> >Are you wanting to make a one-for-one copy of the tapes?  If
>> so, I can
>> >give you an example using DITTO (assuming you want to use DITTO).
>> >
>> >Gary Garland Gregory, MS
>> >CA
>> >Senior Software Engineer
>>
>> YES.  Someone gave me a sample set of JCL, and I've been
>> experimenting, but if you have some DITTO (IBM File Manager)
>> JCL, that would be great.
>> DITTO is actually IBM File Manager on z/OS under wraps, right?
>
>Probably more accurate to say that IBM FM is DITTO on steroids.  :-)
>
>-jc-
>

There you go, another "juice" reference.  I like it!!
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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Barkow, Eileen
java /usr/lpp/jdk140/normal-J1.4/HelloWorld.class 

I am not sure if this will work on most systems.
You need to run from the directory relative to any package statements or
from the same directory if no package statements.
In this case, you would
cd /usr/lpp/jdk140/normal_j1
java -cp . HelloWorld

the -cp . will override the classpaths that are currently set or not
set. 
you will still need the JAVA_HOME and PATH statements to java set.

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Barkow, Eileen
By way, not all java programs will work from the Unix shell (like those
using x11 graphics invoked from java Swing classes).
However, most java programs will run on WebSphere app server on the main
frame.
Java programs will also run on z/os Linux. But for Linux, i had to
install special software on Windows (Hummingbird Exceed) in order to get
x11 graphics to work, as well as set some variables in the Linux
profile.

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java /usr/lpp/jdk140/normal-J1.4/HelloWorld.class 

I am not sure if this will work on most systems.
You need to run from the directory relative to any package statements or
from the same directory if no package statements.
In this case, you would
cd /usr/lpp/jdk140/normal_j1
java -cp . HelloWorld

the -cp . will override the classpaths that are currently set or not
set. 
you will still need the JAVA_HOME and PATH statements to java set.

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Edward Jaffe

Robert Pelletier wrote:

Hi All. Could someone point me too the IVP for JAVA when installed with
OS390 V2R10? Need to run HELLO WORLD ASAP to prove to users JAVA on
frame can work. Thanks all.
  


I usually just issue the following command from an OMVS prompt:

java -fullversion

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
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> 
> 
> By way, not all java programs will work from the Unix shell 
> (like those
> using x11 graphics invoked from java Swing classes).
> However, most java programs will run on WebSphere app server 
> on the main
> frame.
> Java programs will also run on z/os Linux. But for Linux, i had to
> install special software on Windows (Hummingbird Exceed) in 
> order to get
> x11 graphics to work, as well as set some variables in the Linux
> profile.

OUCH!!! Please don't call it z/OS Linux. It is not Linux! It is z/OS
UNIX System Services. Linux is a totally different system, although they
are similar in user functionality. Linux is an entire OS by itself,
separate from z/OS. Linux does not run under z/OS. Linux can run under
z/VM as a guest or in an LPAR on the System z. It can also run on a ton
of other systems such as Intel (xSeries), pSeries, iSeries, Sun
hardware, and even some cell phones.

The totally free Cygwin X server works for me in this case.



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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Taylor, Clarence B
>From my experience the following things need to be done. 
1. The location of the java executable.  This is in a directory called
bin under usually what is referred to as JAVA_HOME.  For example lets
say java in installed in /sys/java31bt/v5r0m0/usr/lpp/java/J5.0 
This would usually be assigned to a script variable JAVA_HOME, either
via the .profile or in /etc/profile but technically is not required by
anything with native java.
Thus in this case the full executable would be
/sys/java31bt/v5r0m0/usr/lpp/java/J5.0/bin/java
2. Create some EBCDIC source in the directory of your choice, say
/u/user/mydir, called HelloWorld.java
3. make sure you are in that directory via the cd /u/user/mydir command
4. Compile the HelloWorld program via
/sys/java31bt/v5r0m0/usr/lpp/java/J5.0/bin/javac HellowWorld.java
This creates the HelloWorld.class in the same directory
5. Run the java program via
/sys/java31bt/v5r0m0/usr/lpp/java/J5.0/bin/java HellowWorld
Of course on quickly becomes tired of entering the long directory names
and starts to put together simple shell scripts to minimize all the
typing needed, etc. 


Brad Taylor

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Hi All. Could someone point me too the IVP for JAVA when installed with
OS390 V2R10? Need to run HELLO WORLD ASAP to prove to users JAVA on
frame can work. Thanks all. 


Have a Nice Day !
 
Bob Pelletier
Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
Rocky Hill, Ct.

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Pelletier
Hi. Thanks all. Group is great. I can't find the directory. Is there a
search command or find command?
# java -fullversion  
java: FSUM7351 not found  


Bob Pelletier
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Robert Pelletier wrote:
> Hi All. Could someone point me too the IVP for JAVA when installed 
> with OS390 V2R10? Need to run HELLO WORLD ASAP to prove to users JAVA 
> on frame can work. Thanks all.
>   

I usually just issue the following command from an OMVS prompt:

java -fullversion

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Pelletier
Thanks for the help BUT:
# cd usr
# cd lpp
# cd jdk140 
cd: jdk140: EDC5129I No such file or directory. 
# ls
NFS booksrv dceas   fw  internetocsf
Printsrvbpa dfs gskssl  ioclib  skrb
TextTools   cmx dfsms   hcd ldaptcpip   
Tivoli  dce encina  iclildapclient  
#   
 ===> 

I am sure the install would have taken whatever IBM suggested.



Have a Nice Day !
 
Bob
Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
Rocky Hill, Ct.
 

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Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

By way, not all java programs will work from the Unix shell (like those
using x11 graphics invoked from java Swing classes).
However, most java programs will run on WebSphere app server on the main
frame.
Java programs will also run on z/os Linux. But for Linux, i had to
install special software on Windows (Hummingbird Exceed) in order to get
x11 graphics to work, as well as set some variables in the Linux
profile.

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Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

java /usr/lpp/jdk140/normal-J1.4/HelloWorld.class 

I am not sure if this will work on most systems.
You need to run from the directory relative to any package statements or
from the same directory if no package statements.
In this case, you would
cd /usr/lpp/jdk140/normal_j1
java -cp . HelloWorld

the -cp . will override the classpaths that are currently set or not
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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:27:06 +0100, Jim McAlpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>On 4/13/07, Mark H. Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:46:12 -0400, Jousma, David 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> YES, I have IBM's File Manager, but I don't think I've ever used it
>> before.  I've used DITTO a little.  Can you create File Mgr JCL for batch job
>> submit, or will FM try to do it online and interactive?
>>
>> As to why make a copy?  We are sending these tapes offsite for another
>> group (consultant) to build our system for us.  Company is PSR.
>> My boss wants a copy for safe keeping in our tape library.
>>
>> --
>Yes you can run it in batch, something like this -
>
>//FILEMGR EXEC PGM=FILEMGR
>//STEPLIB  DD  DSN=FMN310.SFMNMOD1,DISP=SHR
>//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
>//SYSABEND DD  SYSOUT=*
>//SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*
>//INPUTDD  UNIT=291,VOL=SER=(INPUT),
>// DISP=SHR,LABEL=(1,BLP)
>//OUTPUT   DD  UNIT=290,VOL=SER=(OUTPUT),
>// DISP=SHR,LABEL=(1,BLP)
>//SYSINDD  *
>$$FILEM TT INPUT=INPUT,OUTPUT=OUTPUT,
>$$FILEMNFILES=EOV
>$$FILEM EOJ
>/*
>
>Jim McAlpine
>

Thank you so very much Jim McAlpine.  After a little tinkering and 
experimenting, I got it to work.  You are a lifesaver sir.
Take a cold 12-pack out of petty cash on me.

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Java is usually put into the usr/lpp directory.
It may be embedded in WebSphere if you have it.
$ echo $JAVA_HOME
/usr/lpp/zWebSphere/V6R0/java/J1.4
$ echo $PATH
.:/bin:/usr/lpp/zWebSphere/V6R0/java/J1.4/bin:

The PATH should point to the bin directory and JAVA_HOME the directory
containing bin

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Hi. Thanks all. Group is great. I can't find the directory. Is there a
search command or find command?
# java -fullversion  
java: FSUM7351 not found  


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Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:58 PM
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> 
> 
> Thanks for the help BUT:
> # cd usr
> # cd lpp
> # cd jdk140 
> cd: jdk140: EDC5129I No such file or directory. 
> # ls
> NFS booksrv dceas   fw  internetocsf
> Printsrvbpa dfs gskssl  ioclib  skrb
> TextTools   cmx dfsms   hcd ldaptcpip   
> Tivoli  dce encina  iclildapclient  
> #   
>  ===> 
> 
> I am sure the install would have taken whatever IBM suggested.
> 
> Have a Nice Day !
>  
> Bob

Uh, you have downloaded and installed it, correct? It does not come with
any version of OS/390 or z/OS. IIRC, you can only get it by downloading
it from the Web.

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/

If you have enough time, run the following UNIX command:

find / -name "java" -type f

This will start looking in the root directory and try to find a file
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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Taylor, Clarence B
I guess you should verify that java has been installed on your system.
You mentioned in your original post os/390 v2r10.  IIRC at that time
(and maybe even now) java installation was optional.  I am not sure if
it was SMPE installable back then.  It appears it may not be installed.
You can try the following find command

Find / -name "javac" 


Brad Taylor

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Thanks for the help BUT:
# cd usr
# cd lpp
# cd jdk140 
cd: jdk140: EDC5129I No such file or directory. 
# ls
NFS booksrv dceas   fw  internetocsf
Printsrvbpa dfs gskssl  ioclib  skrb
TextTools   cmx dfsms   hcd ldaptcpip   
Tivoli  dce encina  iclildapclient  
#   
 ===> 

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Re: CPU capping

2007-04-13 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:41:07 -0700, Walter Marguccio
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>But time has come to get back to our original model, and I'm looking for a
way to make this
>move as smoothly as possible. I'm thinking to gradually capping the CPs of
our PROD LPAR,
>
create a CF  lpar , put it in dyndisp=no
and increase the weight by some  x  % each day  
(This is the way i cap  my boxes ) 
Bruno
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Re: Tapecopy of two (2) z/OS 1.7 install tapes???

2007-04-13 Thread Gregory, Gary G
Best way to find out the documentation in DITTO is to:

//DITTOXXX EXEC PGM=DITTO,PARM='JOBSTREAM'
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN DD *
$$DITTO XXX
$$DITTO EOJ
/*

If you don't have the PARM I believe it will require the parameters from
the console.  In that case you can say: XXX and then EOJ.

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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:55:59 -0400, Gregory, Gary G 
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>Are you wanting to make a one-for-one copy of the tapes?  If so, I can
>give you an example using DITTO (assuming you want to use DITTO).
>
>Gary Garland Gregory, MS
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>Senior Software Engineer

YES.  Someone gave me a sample set of JCL, and I've been experimenting,
but if you have some DITTO (IBM File Manager) JCL, that would be great.
DITTO is actually IBM File Manager on z/OS under wraps, right?
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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Pelletier
Does this mean it is not installed:
# ls

SERVICE   bin   dev   ivp.scp   opt   u

SERVICE1  cai   etc   krb5  samples   usr

SYSTEMcslfweb   ivp.out   lib   tmp   var

# Find / -name "javac"

Find: FSUM7351 not found

# find / -name "javac"

 

 ===>

 
INPUT 



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From: Taylor, Clarence B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

I guess you should verify that java has been installed on your system.
You mentioned in your original post os/390 v2r10.  IIRC at that time
(and maybe even now) java installation was optional.  I am not sure if
it was SMPE installable back then.  It appears it may not be installed.
You can try the following find command

Find / -name "javac" 


Brad Taylor

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Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

Thanks for the help BUT:
# cd usr
# cd lpp
# cd jdk140 
cd: jdk140: EDC5129I No such file or directory. 
# ls
NFS booksrv dceas   fw  internetocsf
Printsrvbpa dfs gskssl  ioclib  skrb
TextTools   cmx dfsms   hcd ldaptcpip   
Tivoli  dce encina  iclildapclient  
#   
 ===> 

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Barkow, Eileen
 javac is the compiler - you may have the java runtime without the sdk.
Try to find just java:
Find / -name "java"

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Does this mean it is not installed:
# ls

SERVICE   bin   dev   ivp.scp   opt   u

SERVICE1  cai   etc   krb5  samples   usr

SYSTEMcslfweb   ivp.out   lib   tmp   var

# Find / -name "javac"

Find: FSUM7351 not found

# find / -name "javac"

 

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pelletier
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA
> 
> 
> Does this mean it is not installed:
> # ls
> 
> SERVICE   bin   dev   ivp.scp   opt   u
> 
> SERVICE1  cai   etc   krb5  samples   usr
> 
> SYSTEMcslfweb   ivp.out   lib   tmp   var
> 
> # Find / -name "javac"
> 
> Find: FSUM7351 not found
> 
> # find / -name "javac"
> 
>  
> 
>  ===>
> 
>  
> INPUT 

The first "Find" was incorrect. But the second "find" was. And it did
not "find" java. So you don't have it installed.

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Re: zAAP Eligible Work

2007-04-13 Thread Don Deese

Tom,

You are correct that these IEAOPTxx parameters (added in z/OS V1R6) 
worked essentially as you described when zAAP was introduced.


However, these descriptions are a bit dated.  The meaning of the 
parameters was changed with z/OS V1R7, and the parameters were 
drastically changed with z/OS V1R8 (and with the ptfs that backfit 
z/OS V1R8 logic to V1R6 and V1R7).


IFACROSSOVER now is ignored completely and is not in IEAOPTxx with V1R8.

Regardless of IFAHONORPRIORITY, zAAP eligible work will execute only 
on zAAP unless Alternate Wait Management (as applied to the zAAP) 
decides that the zAAP "needs help" to get the work done.  Only if the 
zAAP "needs help" will z/OS Dispatcher consider zAAP work for 
dispatching to CP.  Even though there is not a "ZIPHONORPRIORITY" 
parameter, zIIP dispatching works as though "YES" had been specified.


Additionally, see ZAAPAWMT and ZIIPAWMT in IEAOPTxx of z/OS V1R8 for 
additional possible specifications.


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At 11:42 PM 4/12/2007, you wrote:

Something else to consider are two IEAOPTxx parameters for WLM control of
zAAP eligible workloads.

IFACROSSOVER controls whether standard CPs will be used for zAAP eligible
work.  If YES (the default), then standard CPs will be used along with zAAP
CPs.  zAAP CPs will be preferred, but standard CPs are not excluded from
consideration based on workload.  If NO, then standard CPs are not
considered for zAAP eligible work unless there are no zAAP CPs present.

IFAHONORPRIORITY controls the workload priority settings for zAAP eligible
work that is executed on standard CPs.  If YES (the default), then all work
on a standard CP will execute based on WLM assigned priority.  If NO, then
all zAAP eligible work that is assigned for execution on a standard CP will
be scheduled at a lower priority than non-zAAP eligible workloads.

I believe these parameters were added with z/OS 1.7.

Tom Moulder


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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Taylor, Clarence B
It looks like your 2nd command lower case find, never ended.  It is a
long running command because it must search all of the directories in
the file system.  My outlook mail composer automatically uppercased the
first line of my response changing find to Find.

The INPUT below suggests the command is not done.  Are you in the OVMS
shell?  Did you press "enter" when you got no initial response, thus
toggling to input mode?


Brad Taylor

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Pelletier
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

Does this mean it is not installed:
# ls

SERVICE   bin   dev   ivp.scp   opt   u

SERVICE1  cai   etc   krb5  samples   usr

SYSTEMcslfweb   ivp.out   lib   tmp   var

# Find / -name "javac"

Find: FSUM7351 not found

# find / -name "javac"

 

 ===>

 
INPUT 



-Original Message-
From: Taylor, Clarence B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

I guess you should verify that java has been installed on your system.
You mentioned in your original post os/390 v2r10.  IIRC at that time
(and maybe even now) java installation was optional.  I am not sure if
it was SMPE installable back then.  It appears it may not be installed.
You can try the following find command

Find / -name "javac" 


Brad Taylor

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Pelletier
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

Thanks for the help BUT:
# cd usr
# cd lpp
# cd jdk140 
cd: jdk140: EDC5129I No such file or directory. 
# ls
NFS booksrv dceas   fw  internetocsf
Printsrvbpa dfs gskssl  ioclib  skrb
TextTools   cmx dfsms   hcd ldaptcpip   
Tivoli  dce encina  iclildapclient  
#   
 ===> 

I am sure the install would have taken whatever IBM suggested.



Have a Nice Day !
 
Bob
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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Pelletier
Hi. This is what happened:
/usr/lpp/gskssl/examples/java

/usr/lpp/gskssl/java

/usr/lpp/internet/server_root/pub/reports/java

#

 ===>

 
RUNNING 



-Original Message-
From: Barkow, Eileen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

 javac is the compiler - you may have the java runtime without the sdk.
Try to find just java:
Find / -name "java"

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:19 PM
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Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

Does this mean it is not installed:
# ls

SERVICE   bin   dev   ivp.scp   opt   u

SERVICE1  cai   etc   krb5  samples   usr

SYSTEMcslfweb   ivp.out   lib   tmp   var

# Find / -name "javac"

Find: FSUM7351 not found

# find / -name "javac"

 

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INPUT
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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Taylor, Clarence B
Does not look like it is installed.  It should be in a bin directory.
You could try an ls -l on each of the files you listed and see if any of
them are executable files.  I suspect they are directories. 


Brad Taylor

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:26 PM
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Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

Hi. This is what happened:
/usr/lpp/gskssl/examples/java

/usr/lpp/gskssl/java

/usr/lpp/internet/server_root/pub/reports/java

#

 ===>

 
RUNNING 

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Staller, Allan
This is where IBM distributes the JVM's:  /user/lpp/java

There will most likely be several subdirectories depending on your 
Level of z/OS.

HTH,




Does this mean it is not installed:
# ls

SERVICE   bin   dev   ivp.scp   opt   u

SERVICE1  cai   etc   krb5  samples   usr

SYSTEMcslfweb   ivp.out   lib   tmp   var

# Find / -name "javac"

Find: FSUM7351 not found

# find / -name "javac"


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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Barkow, Eileen
See if there is a java/bin directory, in which case you can still run
java.
You can download the java package from IBM - there is (or was) a non-smp
install of it. 

I was looking for java 1.5 to run on z/os 1.7 but there was no separate
package for it. The only j1.5 i could find was an smpe update to WAS
6.1, and since we have WAS 6.0, we are stuck with j 1.4. 
And j1.6 has been out from Sun for a long time now.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

Hi. This is what happened:
/usr/lpp/gskssl/examples/java

/usr/lpp/gskssl/java

/usr/lpp/internet/server_root/pub/reports/java

#

 ===>

 
RUNNING 

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Edward Jaffe

Robert Pelletier wrote:

Hi. Thanks all. Group is great. I can't find the directory. Is there a
search command or find command?
  


find / -name java

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Staller, Allan
Try /usr/lpp/java/J5.0 or 
/usr/lpp/java/J5.0_64

HTH, 


I was looking for java 1.5 to run on z/os 1.7 but there was no separate
package for it. The only j1.5 i could find was an smpe update to WAS
6.1, and since we have WAS 6.0, we are stuck with j 1.4. 
And j1.6 has been out from Sun for a long time now.


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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Mullen, Patrick
Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but there are both 31 and 64 bit versions of
1.5 (IBM calls it V5) available here:

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/



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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:33 PM
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I was looking for java 1.5 to run on z/os 1.7 but there was no separate
package for it. The only j1.5 i could find was an smpe update to WAS
6.1, and since we have WAS 6.0, we are stuck with j 1.4. 
And j1.6 has been out from Sun for a long time now.

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Taylor, Clarence B
We have both 31bit and 64bit java installed outside of the websphere
environment.  So I know they are available in at least z/os 1.7 and z/os
1.8.  I see some at:
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/


Brad Taylor

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Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

See if there is a java/bin directory, in which case you can still run
java.
You can download the java package from IBM - there is (or was) a non-smp
install of it. 

I was looking for java 1.5 to run on z/os 1.7 but there was no separate
package for it. The only j1.5 i could find was an smpe update to WAS
6.1, and since we have WAS 6.0, we are stuck with j 1.4. 
And j1.6 has been out from Sun for a long time now.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Pelletier
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IVP for JAVA

Hi. This is what happened:
/usr/lpp/gskssl/examples/java

/usr/lpp/gskssl/java

/usr/lpp/internet/server_root/pub/reports/java

#

 ===>

 
RUNNING 

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:09:43 -0500, McKown, John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>Uh, you have downloaded and installed it, correct? It does not come with
>any version of OS/390 or z/OS. 

It's not part of the base, but like dozens of other products it can be
ordered with ServerPac so it is available when you install your order.

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Barkow, Eileen
No - i checked with support center. If you run WAS 6.0 you can only run
up to java 1.4. and there was no separate package for j1.5 outside of a
smpe update to WAS 6.1.

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:38 PM
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Try /usr/lpp/java/J5.0 or 
/usr/lpp/java/J5.0_64

HTH, 


I was looking for java 1.5 to run on z/os 1.7 but there was no separate
package for it. The only j1.5 i could find was an smpe update to WAS
6.1, and since we have WAS 6.0, we are stuck with j 1.4. 
And j1.6 has been out from Sun for a long time now.


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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen
> 
> See if there is a java/bin directory, in which case you can 
> still run java.
> You can download the java package from IBM - there is (or 
> was) a non-smp install of it. 
> 
> I was looking for java 1.5 to run on z/os 1.7 but there was 
> no separate package for it. The only j1.5 i could find was an 
> smpe update to WAS 6.1, and since we have WAS 6.0, we are 
> stuck with j 1.4. 

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/allproducts.
html

Click on the one(s) of interest for download details, etc.

-jc-

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Re: IVP for JAVA (j1.5)

2007-04-13 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Thank you for info.
 I do not think that these downloads were available a few months ago
when i looked, or at least i did not find them. And i asked support
center about j1.5, but in the context of Websphere, which was all i
could find at the time.

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:39 PM
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We have both 31bit and 64bit java installed outside of the websphere
environment.  So I know they are available in at least z/os 1.7 and z/os
1.8.  I see some at:
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/


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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Robert Pelletier
Will Version 5 31BIT run on OS390 V2R10? 


Have a Nice Day !
 
Bob 

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but there are both 31 and 64 bit versions of
1.5 (IBM calls it V5) available here:

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/java/



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I was looking for java 1.5 to run on z/os 1.7 but there was no separate
package for it. The only j1.5 i could find was an smpe update to WAS
6.1, and since we have WAS 6.0, we are stuck with j 1.4. 
And j1.6 has been out from Sun for a long time now.

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Question on DASD Hardware

2007-04-13 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have a general question.

Does anyone know where I can find information about how often a disk needs to 
be replaced or does dynamic sparing inside these new fangle DASD Boxes from 
IBM, EMC, or Hitachi?

I am not talking about the mainframe dasd itself.  But rather the disk in the 
box that the mainframe dasd is mapped (?) too?

I have heard that a CE has to replace at least 1 disk per month on some of 
these boxes.  (DMX3000 - EMC,  DS8000 - IBM, etc)

So I guess I am looking at MTTF for the disk.

Lizette

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Re: IVP for JAVA

2007-04-13 Thread Pinnacle
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From: "Robert Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:01 PM
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Will Version 5 31BIT run on OS390 V2R10? 



No.  1.3.1 is the best you can do on OS/390.

Regards,
Tom Conley

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SLIP SET

2007-04-13 Thread Giovanni L Bozzetti

Hello, Somebody can help me?


I did have a started task that works in multtasking, load some big modules
and attach to run in a specific TCB.


I need to discover who is cleanning a four bytes in memory with binary
zeros. The TESTPGM is the exec pgm, but the other TCB are loaded an 
attached

under TESTPGM.

I did set the slip set below but nothing occurs, can somebody confirm if my
slip set it is ok or has some wrong info, or a good explanation for what
happens?


SLIP 
SET,SA,RA=11E64FE4,JOBNAME=TESTPGM,DATA=(11E64FE4,EQ,),A=SYNCSVCD,ID=G0001,END



If verify the memory I can see X''  in the address, but nothing
occurs with the SLIP SET.


Thanks for any information

Giovanni
System Support

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