FTP to TSO

2007-04-30 Thread nafez

Hi;

how can I FTP from windows to MVS(TSO) session? When I FTP it goes to USS 
directory, thanks for help.


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Re: FTP to TSO

2007-04-30 Thread גדי בן אבי
You can do this in many ways.

The simplest way would be to use
Put PC_File_Name 'MVS.FILE.NAME' 

Make sure to use the quotes and use the full MVS file name.

gadib 

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Hi;

how can I FTP from windows to MVS(TSO) session? When I FTP it goes to USS 
directory, thanks for help.

Regards,

Nafez Albesheeti 

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Re: FTP to TSO

2007-04-30 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:25:06 +0300 nafez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:how can I FTP from windows to MVS(TSO) session? When I FTP it goes to USS 
:directory, thanks for help.

CD with quotes.

CD 'userid.'

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Re: FTP to TSO

2007-04-30 Thread Robert Bardos
Nafez,

as I had a similar case just yesterday I may add the following:

use a 'quote site' statement to supply attributes for the
receiving dataset like
SPACE, RECFM, LRECL, BLKSIZE.

Windows files quite often have records of varying length, so
correspond to a VB dataset on z/OS.

You can navigate through the qualifiers of an MVS dataset using a
'cd' statement.

Example: you have a dataset 'NAFEZ.TSO.DATA'.

If you are in an interactive ftp session you could enter

  cd nafez

And you would get a reply along the lines of 'Current directory is
NAFEZ.'
If the next thing you do is

  cd tso

you will find yourself at  'NAFEZ.TSO' and so on and so on. So
from the look and feel it is as if you were traversing a directory
tree in either Unix or Windows.

Note that this applies to PDS datasets as well. If
'NAFEZ.TSO.DATA' were a PDS then cd'ing down to the last qualifier
would make the members available as if they were individual files.


To reiterate what Gadi wrote: easiest will be to fully qualify the
dataset name.
Add a 'quote site' to it and you have control over the resulting
allocation.

quote site cyl pri=10 sec=20 recf=vb lrec=27994 blks=27998
Put PC_File_Name 'MVS.FILE.NAME'

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 Hi;

 how can I FTP from windows to MVS(TSO) session? When I
 FTP it goes to USS
 directory, thanks for help.

 Regards,

 Nafez Albesheeti


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P390 TCP/IP

2007-04-30 Thread Antonio Cecilio
Hello,
does anyone knows if is there an active list for P390 ???
I got a P390 running OS/2 and OS/490 V2.6 and I can't manage to 
put OS/390 TCP/IP availble on LAN using LCS3172 driver. I get 
time-outs when pinging other ip addresses from the same subnet as
MVS.
I got 2 NIC cards (each with one ETHERNET port), one for OS/2 with Ip 
10.0.2.27 and other for MVS
with IP 10.0.2.28. CTC addresses are 540 and 541 and they are alocated to 
VTAM.
I don't know if this should be like that.
I can't understand why I can't go out from MVS.

Can anyone tell me where can I get some help ??
Many thx, Antonio Cecilio.

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LX and ASN reuse

2007-04-30 Thread Binyamin Dissen
I see two CVT bits, CVTFLAG2(CVTALR) and CVTOSLV4(CVTALRS).

It would seem that only the first bit need checking to determine if one should
issue ESTA 5, ESAIR, etc.

What is the purpose of the second bit? Control program only usage, to
determine if CR0 bit 44 should be set?

Will ESAIR fail if the CR bit is off?

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Re: FW: Do we have to defrag MVS volumes on newer generation disk arrays?

2007-04-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:49:27 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:


We are also finding one storage group that if we don't defrag, we SB37 
everynight on 1000's of jobs.

We are changing allocations to handle this, but the business is growing faster 
than we can keep up.

And, not all of our (ancient) applications can handle EXTEND datasets.

So, it's defrag or die!


Let me guess.  That storage group has data sets of widely differing sizes, 
causing it to become highly fragmented.the problem is probably compounded 
by a large number of data sets that are directed to it, perhaps of a transient 
nature.  And I'll bet that is allowed to get far too full.

Defrag is a poor solution to bad SMS design.

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Re: latest Principles of Operation

2007-04-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:41:44 EDT, Bill  Fairchild wrote:

(2) so I can understand the code 6 months later

Or sometimes even the next week.

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Re: latest Principles of Operation

2007-04-30 Thread Thomas Berg

Or next hour...  Yes, I have had those times...

==  Tom Marchant  ==  wrote2007-04-30 14:29:

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:41:44 EDT, Bill  Fairchild wrote:


(2) so I can understand the code 6 months later


Or sometimes even the next week.



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Re: 3480/3490 Cart BPI

2007-04-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:55:31 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote:

I wonder if the differnce of 32K and 38K is user data vs user data
+parity.

Not parity.  3480 is 18 tracks.  That's 16 data bits and two parity bits.

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Re: FW: Do we have to defrag MVS volumes on newer generation disk arrays?

2007-04-30 Thread Schramm, Rob
Easiest method would be to manage the differences.

1) Do some analysis on the sizes of your data sets.

(note this information is slightly dated .. we implemented SMS 10 years
ago) When we did the analysis, it was found that 80% of the data sets
were 5 tracks or under.  So, we created a small pool, medium pool and
large pool.  Worked very well and eliminated most of the need to run
defrag.  YMMV

-Rob

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Re: JES2 Shutdown issue on z/os 1.7

2007-04-30 Thread McKown, John
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snip

 It's getting harder all the time to deliver new automation and
 management functionality without colliding with USS dependencies. At
 some point (if not already) there will be a health check and a
 recommendation to run the colony address spaces under master. 
 I daresay
 some will wail and complain about not getting sysout and to them I say
 bah humbug.
 
 CC

Agreed. So far as I am concerned, output from daemon processes should
go to the UNIX syslog daemon and then on to where ever the syslog.conf
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Re: 3480/3490 Cart BPI

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Zelden
I have these comments in my REXX TAPESTAK program:

/* */
/* Add in the Inter Block Gaps (IBG)   */
/* */
/* The density of a 3480 cartrige is:  */
/* 1491 characters per millimeter American National Standard   */
/* */
/*   1 inch  =  2.54  centimeters or 25.4 millimeters  */
/*   1 character   = 1 byte*/
/*   1491 * 25.4 = 37871 bytes per inch  (38K BPI) */
/* */
/* The IBG is .08 inches   */
/*   37871 * .08 = 3030 bytes  */
/* */

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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:55:31 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr.
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I found a few references to some 3490E talking about the recording
density of  37,871 BPI

http://www.sunstarco.com/Tape%20Drives/Overland%20Data/Overland%20Data%20tapexpress_l490e.htm
http://www.archives.gov/records-mgmt/initiatives/transfer-regulation.html
http://webstore.ansi.org/ansidocstore/product.asp?sku=ANSI+INCITS+180-1990+(R2006)

There were many more.

I wonder if the differnce of 32K and 38K is user data vs user data
+parity.

Rich Smrcina wrote:
 So are you saying that Ditto lies?

 R.S. wrote:

 Robert Pelletier wrote:

 Hi All. Question. Would anyone know the BPI of a 3480 cart running on
 3480E drive (mock 3490). We have a request from a user to send us a
 38,000 bpi cart. I swear they are 6250 bpi. Can anyone clear this up for
 me? Where are they getting the 38,000? Thanks once again all.




 Back to the question: CST cartridge contains 160m of tape.
 Uncompressed capacity in 36-track drive (3490E) is 400MB.
 So 400MB/160m gives 25000 B/cm Inch is 2.54 cm, so the BPI is 63500.
 CST in 3480 drive has 31750 BPI.

 The values above are without compression.
 I don't know exact length of tape and exact capacity, maybe it's not
 exactly 160m, however it seems the BPI can be approx. 32000. It rather
 cannot be 38000.


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Re: Best practices for software delivery

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:00:00 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A
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And while almost every desk worker here has some type of PC or
workstation that can connect to the internet, none of those can access
our mainframe.  

What does connect?  Real 3270 green screens or just separate workstations?

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Re: FW: Do we have to defrag MVS volumes on newer generation disk arrays?

2007-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
Well,  now with DB2 Cloning Processes (I know of IBM's DFHSM and EMC
Timefinder/CLONE) the small-medium-large pools are changing.

To clone a DB2 Subsystem you need to have a separate pool dedicated to just
that subsystem.  This process also requires 2 User Cats (One for the DB2
SYSTEM databases, files and one for the Application Data Bases) that are all
SNAPPED at the same time.  The amazing part is the time it takes to snap the
entire DB2 Subsystem; it is really fast.  The need for more dasd and
specialized SMS Pools is offset by the faster process to clone the
subsystem.

I too use to believe in the small-medium-large functions.  But if you have
DB2 and need to clone it - then you have a whole new direction to take.  I
also see this as a direction for other subsystems that need cloning like IMS
or MQ or CICS.

And yes - EMC does a rename of all data sets to the new HLQ for the cloned
copy, and DFHSM requires the 2 Ucats be disconnected and then imported.
Times sure are a changing.

Lizette

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--(note this information is slightly dated .. we implemented SMS 10 years
 --ago) When we did the analysis, it was found that 80% of the data sets
 --were 5 tracks or under.  So, we created a small pool, medium pool and
 --large pool.  Worked very well and eliminated most of the need to run
 --defrag.  YMMV
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Re: Monitor refresh rates

2007-04-30 Thread Staller, Allan
snip
Something else comes to mind. I recall measuring these some monitors and
seeing CPU consumption affective. The REFRESH RATE may also force some
sorting, XMS and other stuff to occur on every 20 seconds. Measure the
delta changes on CPU TIME when you adjust the refresh rates. CPU
consumption will should down within the address space with longer
refresh rates
/snip 

I once had an anally retentive manager who complained about the CPU
consumption of our monitor. In order to appease him
We change the refresh rate on the monitor from 5 sec to 30 sec. No
observable difference in performance at any level was observed. After
the experiment was concluded, we returned the monitor refresh rate to 5
sec.

HTH,

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Re: parsing JCL with CA-7 schedule overrides

2007-04-30 Thread McKown, John
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 Some JCL checkers resolve this by requiring that the user 
 invoking the 
 utility specify what schedule ID should be used in evaluating 
 the JCL. 
 To thoroughly validate such JCL, it has to be validated 
 against each ID 
 under which it will be run.
 

Hum, that is a good idea. Thanks.

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Re: Monitor refresh rates

2007-04-30 Thread Rob Scott
The refresh rate for any ISV monitor may refer to any number of things
but it is unlikely to refer to a global sampling interval if we are
talking about numbers in multiples of 5 or 10 seconds. 

I imagine that most monitors sample the various objects within z/OS at
out-of-box sensible intervals depending on the object concerned and
they may (or may not) allow the installation to change these intervals.
For example, you would probably want to sample your address spaces more
frequently that your DASD volumes or XCF structures. Sampling address
spaces at intervals greater than a second or two would probably result
in unacceptable increased granularity of the results.  

I suspect the refresh rate in this case is how often the display goes
back to the performance data-store and asks for a refresh of the data -
this will be independent of the sampling rates of the underlying
performance data. 


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snip
Something else comes to mind. I recall measuring these some monitors and
seeing CPU consumption affective. The REFRESH RATE may also force some
sorting, XMS and other stuff to occur on every 20 seconds. Measure the
delta changes on CPU TIME when you adjust the refresh rates. CPU
consumption will should down within the address space with longer
refresh rates /snip 

I once had an anally retentive manager who complained about the CPU
consumption of our monitor. In order to appease him We change the
refresh rate on the monitor from 5 sec to 30 sec. No observable
difference in performance at any level was observed. After the
experiment was concluded, we returned the monitor refresh rate to 5 sec.

HTH,

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JES2 Shutdown issue on z/os 1.7

2007-04-30 Thread Laine, Rogers
 

Thanks for everyone that responded to my question regarding my JES2
shutdown issue.
Since we were migrating from 1.4 to 1.7 we failed to include the steps
to shutdown the health checker  ZFS started tasks.
Once this was determined the operator stopped these STC's and JES2 was
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Re: Monitor refresh rates

2007-04-30 Thread Staller, Allan
 
Please excuse my indecision. The refresh rate referred to was the
refresh frequency of the online display, not the sample frequency

HTH,
snip
The refresh rate for any ISV monitor may refer to any number of things
but it is unlikely to refer to a global sampling interval if we are
talking about numbers in multiples of 5 or 10 seconds. 

I imagine that most monitors sample the various objects within z/OS at
out-of-box sensible intervals depending on the object concerned and
they may (or may not) allow the installation to change these intervals.
For example, you would probably want to sample your address spaces more
frequently that your DASD volumes or XCF structures. Sampling address
spaces at intervals greater than a second or two would probably result
in unacceptable increased granularity of the results.  

I suspect the refresh rate in this case is how often the display goes
back to the performance data-store and asks for a refresh of the data -
this will be independent of the sampling rates of the underlying
performance data. 
/snip

Rob Scott
snip
snip
Something else comes to mind. I recall measuring these some monitors and
seeing CPU consumption affective. The REFRESH RATE may also force some
sorting, XMS and other stuff to occur on every 20 seconds. Measure the
delta changes on CPU TIME when you adjust the refresh rates. CPU
consumption will should down within the address space with longer
refresh rates /snip 

I once had an anally retentive manager who complained about the CPU
consumption of our monitor. In order to appease him We change the
refresh rate on the monitor from 5 sec to 30 sec. No observable
difference in performance at any level was observed. After the
experiment was concluded, we returned the monitor refresh rate to 5 sec.

HTH,
/snip

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Re: Monitor refresh rates

2007-04-30 Thread Staller, Allan
Oops. Make that imprecision G 

snip 
Please excuse my indecision. The refresh rate referred to was the
refresh frequency of the online display, not the sample frequency
/snip
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Ulterior Motive for IBM's Lawsuits

2007-04-30 Thread Thompson, Steve
Has anyone seen this article? Or one similar to it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18325591/

I have had several people (some retired from programming, some not
involved in IT) send me links to this or similar articles about IBM
preparing to turn z/Series into some super gaming system.

Could this be related to why IBM pulled the notification on patent
licensing, and decided to go after PSI while shutting off FLEX-ES
systems?

Regards,
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Re: Ulterior Motive for IBM's Lawsuits

2007-04-30 Thread Tim Hare
I don't think IBM is trying to turn the zSeries into a gaming system; 
rather they are trying to take advantage of the Cell processor that they 
spent quite a bit of money developing.   In the long term we may see them 
provide a _lot_ of Cell processors in one zSeries box, with the Cell being 
microcoded to emulate zSeries instruction set, perhaps with some 
parallel-processing instructions and/or networking added.


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Re: Ulterior Motive for IBM's Lawsuits

2007-04-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:09:31 -0400, Thompson, Steve wrote:

Has anyone seen this article? Or one similar to it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18325591/

Yes.  There were several posts here about that last week.

Could this be related to why IBM pulled the notification on patent
licensing, and decided to go after PSI while shutting off FLEX-ES
systems?

I don't know, but I don't see any connection.

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Re: latest Principles of Operation

2007-04-30 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
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Unless you have gotten so old you can't remember what your own code does.
 
I have had that problem since way before I got old (or at least  older). 
The 
two main reasons why I write lots of comments in my  code:
(1) so others can understand the code;
(2) so I can understand the code 6 months later after having worked on 
other 
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Re: Ulterior Motive for IBM's Lawsuits

2007-04-30 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
I don't see a connection either, but I see applications well outside
gaming for this chip 'marriage'.  Think about the possibility of tying
medical records at a hospital with 3D rendering of CAT scans and so on,
all stored and accessible from 1 location - the mainframe.  

Rex

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Has anyone seen this article? Or one similar to it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18325591/

I have had several people (some retired from programming, some not
involved in IT) send me links to this or similar articles about IBM
preparing to turn z/Series into some super gaming system.

Could this be related to why IBM pulled the notification on patent
licensing, and decided to go after PSI while shutting off FLEX-ES
systems?

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Maintenance how current? was APAR OA16372

2007-04-30 Thread Craig Bakken
Thanks Scott, (and all those who responded) I will consider myself blessed.

Scott Fagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:40:54 -0700, 
Craig Bakken wrote:

 This may be somewhat of a religious question, Is it better to be right up
to the
 current level of available maintenance or is it better to hang back a few
months
 worth so as not to apply a PTF that goes PE? Is Z/OS 1.8 so buggy that
current 
 maintenance is required?

For religious questions, you should at least have some exposure to the
dogma. You
might consider having a look at:

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/servicetst/index.html

To see what the true belief is.

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Re: NL Usage for Tapes

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Subject:  Re: NL Usage for Tapes
 
 Someone asked the question about what good are reading tapes NL.
 There are  valid reasons and these go back to the early years before
 diskettes, etc, when  people wanted to tansfer data. Early, early on
 the universal mode of transfer  was 7-track tape, BCD, Even-parity
 with no labels.
 
 Even parity universal? I'm practically positive that you go back to
 the 7090 and 7094, where odd parity was the norm.
 
A counterexample:

In the late 1960's I was working for a physics research project using a
CDC 6400.  We had begged some raw data from a sibling project using
a 360.  Partly to avoid loss of precision in binary-display-binary
conversion, and largely because experience had taught me that the
CDC FORTRAN display-binary conversion was prohibitively slow, I asked
for a binary tape -- I had read the PoOp enough to know that I could
easily and efficiently convert the floating point format with a CDC 6400
assembler program.  A research associate with OS/360 experience told
me to request TRTCH=C (CDC supported only 7-track at that time).

The tape arrived illegible.  Anxiously, the PI put me on a plane to the
other site.  After some RTFM and job log inspection, I learned that my
counterpart had used TRTCH=TE; even (E) was the presumptive mode for
data transfer.  I insisted, No, I want TRTCH=C.

But that will leave 8-bit bytes spanning 6-bit data frames on the tape;
you'll never be able to process it on foreign equipment!

You underestimate me.  After a few phone calls, and with the authority
of my PI, I got the TRTCH=C tape.  I was able to convert and process it.

So, yes, in days of yore, apparently one programmer considered even parity
universal.

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Re: latest Principles of Operation

2007-04-30 Thread Howard Brazee
On 30 Apr 2007 08:00:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas H Puddicombe)
wrote:

Unless you have gotten so old you can't remember what your own code does.
 
I have had that problem since way before I got old (or at least  older). 
The 
two main reasons why I write lots of comments in my  code:
(1) so others can understand the code;
(2) so I can understand the code 6 months later after having worked on 
other 
tasks for the previous 6 months.

So I can remember the code immediately after I write it.   

Also - many times I document the code to show that I *meant* the code
to do what I wrote - and who decided that a particular calculation
should be as stated.

Some documentation should assist in midnight abort analysis as well -
indicating where a problem occurred (might not even be the program's
fault).

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Re: Ulterior Motive for IBM's Lawsuits

2007-04-30 Thread Thompson, Steve
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snip

I don't know, but I don't see any connection.

snip

If I read the articles correctly, there was mention of emulation of
instructions mentioned in the articles. It got me to wondering, does IBM
see an upcoming problem and so is trying to protect itself in some
fashion? Would this be why they pulled the patent licensing statement,
and the rug out from under Fundamental Software?

Given how much Herc is out there (rumor has it that certain places are
running IBM software w/o license north of NZ -- not quite deja-vu all
over again), I started to put things together, correctly or not.

At this point, I'm just trying to figure out if there is a relationship
here, and what the ultimate ramifications will be.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: IEW2766S

2007-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:31:43 -0300
 
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/26/2007
at 02:22 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 So, now I must RTFM Using Data Sets to find the section that states
 that JCL concatenation of HFS files _is_ supported, since OS/390?
 Earlier?  So I can start YA PMR.
 
 Not unless everything in the SYSLIN concatenation is an HFS. The
 application determines whether and how concatenation of unlike
 attributes is supported. But this sounds like a good candidate for
 submitting a requirement, if you can come up with a business case.
 
Irrelevant; in this case I did not have unlike attributes.

 Why can't IBM's developers learn IBM's own rules?
 
 What rules are they not following?
 
Title: z/OS V1R8.0 DFSMS Using Data Sets
Document Number: SC26-7410-06

3.9.7 Concatenating UNIX Files and Directories
  3.9.7.1   Sequential Concatenation

   To process sequentially concatenated data sets and UNIX files, use a DCB 
that has
   DSORG=PS. Each DD statement can specify any of the following types of data 
sets:
 * Sequential data sets, which can be on disk, tape, instream (SYSIN), 
TSO/E terminal,
   card reader, and subsystem (SUBSYS)
 * UNIX files
 * PDS members
 * PDSE members

The text is ambiguous whether two or more of the four bulleted types can be
concatenated (e.g. instream with UNIX or PDS members with PDSE members).
But that seems implicit from the section title.  And, empirically it works
with applications other than Binder.

 And why must they go out of their way to write code to enforce the
 rules they invent in their delusions?
 
 What is your evidence that they did in this case? It sounds to me like
 something that you've asked for in the past; an intelligible message
 instead of, e.g., an ABEND.
 
On the contrary, I have generally opposed this sort of prior censorship;
the application should attempt the OPEN and report the result rather
than attempting to predict (incorrectly in this case) success or failure.

 Why not just read SYSLIN with QSAM and let it work or fail as it
 may.
 
 Because then you'd whine about the ABEND or other error.
 
Only if it were to fail.

 If they don't deliberately try to make it fail, it will work.
 
 How?
 
Well enough for me.  I have regularly concatenated e.g. instream data
sets with UNIX files with applications other than Binder (IEBGENER,
SMP/E, ...) and observed the desired and expected success.  It appears
that the DFSMS group has done its job well here; the Binder group
simply has a deficiency of faith in DFSMS.

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Re: parsing JCL with CA-7 schedule overrides

2007-04-30 Thread Gibney, Dave
  Mine is a incomplete bit of Natural, and I haven't started the CA-7
#card part yet, but in concept, I don't think it'd be that hard to
determine the possible schids in one pass and then resolve each one in
another pass.

  FYI, I do external procs with a recursive call, plan to do inline via
a temp pds before the recursive call.

   Currently, my long term use for this is to identify and eliminate
DYL260. I'm still think on how to interface with Endevor :)

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Some JCL checkers resolve this by requiring that the user invoking the 
utility specify what schedule ID should be used in evaluating the JCL. 
To thoroughly validate such JCL, it has to be validated against each ID 
under which it will be run.

McKown, John wrote:
 I'm doing weird things again. I've written a JCL parser (work still in
 progress) in Perl (yes, I'm quite, quite insane.). It works rather
well.
 The only gotcha is that we use CA-7 and the schedule override
 capability (#JI, #JO, #JEND / #XI, #XO, #XEND). This is a kind of
 if/then/else logic in the JCL as to which statements are written to
 the INTRDR. As an example:
 
 //JOBNAME JOB ACCT,PGMR,
 #JI,ID=1
 // CLASS=P,MSGCLASS=N
 #JO,ID=1
 // CLASS=Q,MSGCLASS=X
 #JEND
 
 This submits the job with CLASS=P,MSGCLASS=N if the schedule id is 1,
 but with CLASS=Q,MSGCLASS=X if it is not 1. I'm having a real
difficult
 time figuring out what to do if this sort of thing is used. Now, at
our
 shop, this has only caused 8 jobs to have problems out of 7,720 that I
 have scanned. But I like to be complete.
 
 Any ideas as to what I should do in this case? It could become quite
 complicated. The simpliest thing is to simply say: You do this and
you
 live with the fact that I cannot parse it. But I don't like that, at
 all. The difficult thing would be to try to create every possible
 combination of statements possible, then parse them each individually.
I
 have not thought about how to do this, but it scares me.
 
 I think that I can use ignore the other CA-7 control functions which
 are in line (such as #SCC).
 
 So far, I've only done the inline JCL scanning. I haven't yet tried
to
 expand PROCs or INCLUDE members.
 
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OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Baron
Does anyone on the list know if I can create a new catalog under OS390 2.4
and use that new catalog in z/OS V1R7 or V1R8 with no problem.  I know I
won't be able to use a V1R7 catalog on the old OS390 but what about the
other way??

I need to upgrade a client's system 

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Re: Best practices for software delivery

2007-04-30 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
We have two old green screens, the master console and one that serves as
both alternate console and TSO terminal (in case TCPIP goes down).  The
rest are PCs and workstations connected via ethernet to the mainframe
but not to the outside world.

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:00:00 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:


And while almost every desk worker here has some type of PC or 
workstation that can connect to the internet, none of those can access 
our mainframe.

What does connect?  Real 3270 green screens or just separate
workstations?

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Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

2007-04-30 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7
 
 
 Does anyone on the list know if I can create a new catalog 
 under OS390 2.4
 and use that new catalog in z/OS V1R7 or V1R8 with no 
 problem.  I know I
 won't be able to use a V1R7 catalog on the old OS390 but what 
 about the
 other way??
 
 I need to upgrade a client's system 

Sure. Just don't use the IMBED or REPLICATE attribute when you do the
create. I have catalogs around here which were originally created on MVS
4.3! That is my HSM catalog. I am running z/OS 1.6.

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Re: FW: Do we have to defrag MVS volumes on newer generation disk arrays?

2007-04-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Let me guess.
Guess away!

That storage group has data sets of widely differing sizes, causing it to 
become highly fragmented.the problem is probably compounded by a large number 
of data sets that are directed to it, perhaps of a transient nature.

The varying sizes are from large, to larger, and huge.

These 'fragments' are not onesies  twosies!


And I'll bet that is allowed to get far too full.

Yes, because the business is growing faster than we can keep up.
(Which is a 'good' problem to have).


Defrag is a poor solution to bad SMS design.

Who said it was a bad design?
It needs work, but work requires people to do it.
Defrag is cheap; people aren't.

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Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:05:12 -0500, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Does anyone on the list know if I can create a new catalog
 under OS390 2.4
 and use that new catalog in z/OS V1R7 or V1R8 with no
 problem.  I know I
 won't be able to use a V1R7 catalog on the old OS390 but what
 about the
 other way??

 I need to upgrade a client's system

Sure. Just don't use the IMBED or REPLICATE attribute when you do the
create. 

That won't keep it from working (yet).  But it is good advise not to
create it that way.

I have catalogs around here which were originally created on MVS
4.3! That is my HSM catalog. I am running z/OS 1.6.


AFAIK it should work.

However, in your example, the fact that it was created under ESA 4.3 and 
is still in use under a current OS level doesn't really mean anything.  

There has been code in the past that changed the catalog/catindex once it 
was opened under the higher level.  When this was the case (and ESA V4 dot
something may have been one of those versions that changed it) there
were toleration PTFs to allow the lower level system to share the catalog.
If you were sill running a very old system and created a catalog that would
then get touched by z/OS 1.8, there is a chance that any code that
changed the catalog / catindex may not still be there. 

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Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

2007-04-30 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden
 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:24 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7
 
 
 On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:05:12 -0500, McKown, John
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 
 There has been code in the past that changed the 
 catalog/catindex once it 
 was opened under the higher level.  When this was the case 
 (and ESA V4 dot
 something may have been one of those versions that changed it) there
 were toleration PTFs to allow the lower level system to share 
 the catalog.
 If you were sill running a very old system and created a 
 catalog that would
 then get touched by z/OS 1.8, there is a chance that any code that
 changed the catalog / catindex may not still be there. 
 
 Mark
 --

True. The original post made me think that the poster wanted to create
the catalog on the old system, then use it on the new. I did not get the
impression that he wanted to share the catalog on both systems. Perhaps
I misread his intention. It's been known to happen grin.

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Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

2007-04-30 Thread Gibney, Dave
   I'd be careful. Back around our migration to OS390 2.5, I remember
some long nights and days restoring catalogs after they were touched by
the new level system.
   If I remember right, we didn't get all the toleration ptfs on. I
haven't made that mistake since.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Zelden
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:05:12 -0500, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Does anyone on the list know if I can create a new catalog
 under OS390 2.4
 and use that new catalog in z/OS V1R7 or V1R8 with no
 problem.  I know I
 won't be able to use a V1R7 catalog on the old OS390 but what
 about the
 other way??

 I need to upgrade a client's system

Sure. Just don't use the IMBED or REPLICATE attribute when you do the
create. 

That won't keep it from working (yet).  But it is good advise not to
create it that way.

I have catalogs around here which were originally created on MVS
4.3! That is my HSM catalog. I am running z/OS 1.6.


AFAIK it should work.

However, in your example, the fact that it was created under ESA 4.3 and

is still in use under a current OS level doesn't really mean anything.  

There has been code in the past that changed the catalog/catindex once
it 
was opened under the higher level.  When this was the case (and ESA V4
dot
something may have been one of those versions that changed it) there
were toleration PTFs to allow the lower level system to share the
catalog.
If you were sill running a very old system and created a catalog that
would
then get touched by z/OS 1.8, there is a chance that any code that
changed the catalog / catindex may not still be there. 

Mark
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Re: FW: Do we have to defrag MVS volumes on newer generation disk arrays?

2007-04-30 Thread Greg Shirey
Ron, I'd be curious what some (or all) of those dozen are, if you have
the time.  We're still running DEFRAGs, but if there's something more
effective we could be doing, I'd like to hear about it.  

TIA,
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:34 PM

snip 

I agree it can help with space allocation, but I can think of a dozen
better
ways to mitigate space problems than by thrashing your channels and disk
drives for a couple of hours every day. It's a great way to trash your
remote copy links.

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Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:32:53 -0500, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 There has been code in the past that changed the
 catalog/catindex once it
 was opened under the higher level.  When this was the case
 (and ESA V4 dot
 something may have been one of those versions that changed it) there
 were toleration PTFs to allow the lower level system to share
 the catalog.
 If you were sill running a very old system and created a
 catalog that would
 then get touched by z/OS 1.8, there is a chance that any code that
 changed the catalog / catindex may not still be there.

--

True. The original post made me think that the poster wanted to create
the catalog on the old system, then use it on the new.

I read it the same way. 

 I did not get the
impression that he wanted to share the catalog on both systems. Perhaps
I misread his intention. It's been known to happen 

It didn't sound like it.. but I don't think it matters in this jump.  I was
just 
pointing out that in your extreme example (ESA 4.3 to z/OS 1.8) it could
matter - and just because the catalog was originally created under ESA 4.3
and still existed today doesn't mean that you could take that leap all
in a single step.

Mark
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Re: 3480/3490 Cart BPI

2007-04-30 Thread Rick Fochtman

R.S. wrote:


Robert Pelletier wrote:


Hi All. Question. Would anyone know the BPI of a 3480 cart running on
3480E drive (mock 3490). We have a request from a user to send us a
38,000 bpi cart. I swear they are 6250 bpi. Can anyone clear this up for
me? Where are they getting the 38,000? Thanks once again all. 



off-topic opinion
Well, I have never bothered about BPI parameter, since IMHO it's 
completely irrelevant for the user. Cartridge capacity, mount time, 
rewind time are important.

/off-topic opinion

Back to the question: CST cartridge contains 160m of tape. 
Uncompressed capacity in 36-track drive (3490E) is 400MB.

So 400MB/160m gives 25000 B/cm Inch is 2.54 cm, so the BPI is 63500.
CST in 3480 drive has 31750 BPI.

The values above are without compression.
I don't know exact length of tape and exact capacity, maybe it's not 
exactly 160m, however it seems the BPI can be approx. 32000. It rather 
cannot be 38000.


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38K BPI is the correct value. Roland, you need to consider preamble and 
postamble times, which are covered by inter-block gaps. These gaps allow 
bringing the tape up to speed before reading/writing and the stop time 
afterward. The design point was 38K BPI and, IMHO, was admirably achieved.







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Re: T.J. Maxx data theft worse than first reported

2007-04-30 Thread SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Jennifer Nelson
Paul, do you by chance still have the original press release? It's been
pulled from their site (as to be expected) but strangely, I can not find it
anywhere on the web. I'm interested to see what was said. I think I can
ascertain it, but was interested in reading it for myself. If anyone has a
copy of the PDF, can you send it to me?
-J

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Re: OS/390 Catalog in z/OS V1R7

2007-04-30 Thread Shane
On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 13:57 -0500, Mark Baron wrote:

 Does anyone on the list know if I can create a new catalog under OS390 2.4
 and use that new catalog in z/OS V1R7 or V1R8 with no problem.  I know I
 won't be able to use a V1R7 catalog on the old OS390 but what about the
 other way??
 
 I need to upgrade a client's system 

As the others have said, can't see a problem with it.
So long as it ain't shared. Build it, get it across, get it offline to
OS/390 - and keep it that way.
If you have updates to the original, manually apply same to the new
catalog - from the z/OS system.
Alastair Gray has a beaut replacement for MCNVTCAT on the cbt that
should be useful in that case.

Shane ...

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Mark load module non-executable

2007-04-30 Thread Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was briefly mentioned here that users should not put
SMP/E distribution libraries in their TASKLIB catenations.
We suspect one of our consumers has done this.  How can we,
as suppliers discourage this?  Is there any way to force
the non-executable attribute on a load module?  The closest
I can find is only-loadable, which at least should prevent
use of EXEC PGM= to invoke the module.

-- gil

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Re: Ulterior Motive for IBM's Lawsuits

2007-04-30 Thread Ron Hawkins
Steve,

North of NZ - you mean New Caledonia and Vanuatu?

Ron

 
 Given how much Herc is out there (rumor has it that certain places are
 running IBM software w/o license north of NZ -- not quite deja-vu all
 over again), I started to put things together, correctly or not.
 

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SHOWzOS 715 (Bug)

2007-04-30 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Hello, 

running SHOWzOS on z/OS R8 cause LE-Abend U4088 RC63 with some other related
S0C4. I'm working on this. To bypass this problem please disable the following 
coding (set to comment)

LEO1 DS0HRS1004
*L R15,=V(LESERV)  Locate our LE Services routine  
*BALR  R14,R15 Call our LE Services routine

Regards 
Roland

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