Subject: Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Horst Schivelbein
Hello,

nice thread - but the heading isn't quite right. 
These processes play by WLM rules: pop up all by the same time,use little cpu
and go to sleep again. RMF will show bursts of activity and
long periods with low activity. I've seen this with batch jobs
having common i/o patterns and low cpu activity. An overall low cpu activity 
with  
spikes of cpu activity and permanently queued processes due to much smaller 
number of cpus 
then processes. If such a cycle has established itself 
(due to various clocks e.g. lpar, schedulers etc.) it's hard to break.
These cycles lived for hours.
With batch jobs this can be handled by using irregular patterns for scheduling 
with timer
driven applications this is difficult but I would suggest to try other values 
for the timer.
It's a problem of a self-organizing system.

I think there is some work requiered to ge an idea on how to break such cycles. 
   
 
Kind regards,

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Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?

2007-10-19 Thread Martin Packer
Kees wrote:

 Remember that the reported figures are highwater marks, 
 so they will only go up, never down, but it can provide 
 you a clue.

I tend to characterise this as Allocated rather than Suballocated / Used.

So in principle the numbers can go down - but that's not a frequent 
occurrence with DB2.

And, perhaps parenthetically, I don't trust the REAL memory numbers in 
Type 30 any further than I can throw them. :-(

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problems(probably) in SSL after migration from WAS3.5 to WAS5.1

2007-10-19 Thread Pawel Leszczynski
Hello everybody,

After migration one of our application from WAS3.5 to WAS5.1 we encountered 
following problem:

response time grows dramatically, and in time of peak, most of users cannot
simply logon (or work with) application.
In WAS log we can see a lot of messages like that:

Trace: 2007/10/18 10:47:51.624 01 t=AC40D0 c=UNK key=S2 (0E012048) 
  Description: Failure Exit from - SecurityManager::secureSocketInit  
  Socket descriptor: 525   
  gsk_secure_socket_init: 415  

we found on IBM's pages solution of similar problem:

http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg1PK34416

but 

1. we don't use PAUSELISTENER nor RESUMELISTENER modify commands
2. environment variable control_region_dreg_on_no_srs is not specified 

(so we don't know if it's really this situation).

One more question:
we looked at our configuration of WAS5.1 and some doubts appear:

1.control_region_ssl_thread_pool_size is set to default = 3
(in documentation is written that it shouldn't be changed)
(isn't it too small for big workload?)

2.control_region_thread_pool_size=25.
(maybe here is bottleneck?)

thanks for any suggestions,
Pawel Leszczynski
PKO BP SA

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Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?

2007-10-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:15:54 -0500, Patrick Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can use via
batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what address
space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other report
feature that I am not familiar with?  I need to go back weeks of kept SMF
data, not just hours of real time online data.


No.  Not unless you have a VSTOR detail set up ahead of time or were
running RMF MON II in the background.  See hlq.IBM.PARMLIB(ERBRMF03)
and the fine manuals for how to do that.

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VARY too many devices offline

2007-10-19 Thread Field, Alan C.
Yesterday someone issued an RO *ALL,V  708-7014,OFFLINE which led to a
number of unplanned IPLs. 

 

Now mgmt wants to implement a fingerchecker. 

 

I searched CBT for a command exit that might ask something like you
really want to vary 26,000 devices offline? 

 

How do others shops handle this, have you got an exit you'd be willing
to share before we re-invent the wheel.

 

Thanks,

 

Alan 


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Re: How to read source from a PDS member

2007-10-19 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip--

We've updated Harold's nice subroutine in order to be 31-bit compliant.  I will 
send you a copy if you like. 
 


unsnip
How about sending it to the CBT site and share with all comers?

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)

Have to run the zIIPalyzer to make an educated guess. Maybe a little,
maybe  
enough to make it thru the humps. W/O measurement just idle
speculation.

I didn't mean to ask for the quantity but for how zIIPs can help that 
software, i.e. is it zIIP eligible work. Anyway zIIPs can drop software
cost but would not make the system run faster, would they?

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I seem to remember this as TCP/IP version 3.2 with 3.3 having the fixes 
 for optimization. Weren't there twin stacks being managed or some such 
 thing. I'm not too TCP/IP literate. We had this original version 
 implemented because I remember doing a pre/post resource impact analysis 
 finding additional CPU, significant in relation to prior usage, in use by 
 TCP/IP.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#45 Are there tasks that don't play by 
WLM's rules

as per previous post ... there was the vs/pascal implementation ported
from vm ... with a diagnose instruction simulation done in os ... and
then the vtam-based implementation (that started out only being
correct if it had lower thruput than lu6.2).

some part of the base code poor thruput (and high processor consumption)
was that (only) a channel-attached bridge box was being supported
... rather than a native channel-attached tcp/ip router box.

In the LAN bridge scenario ... the mainframe host code not only had to
do the ip-header gorp ... but also had to do the lan/mac header overhead
before passing the packet to the channel for processing by the bridge
box.

part of the rfc 1044 three orders of magnitude improvement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044

was having a real channel-attach tcp/ip router box ... eliminating the
mainframe host code having to also provide the lan/mac header overhead
processing (needed by a lan/mac bridge box ... rather than having a
real channel-attach tcp/ip router box).

part of this possibly was the whole focus on the sna communication
paradigm (the old joke that it wasn't a system, wasn't a network, and
wasn't an architecture) ... where vtam provided the communication
addressing (and didn't have the concept of networking).

in the early days of sna ... my wife had co-authored AWP39 for
peer-to-peer networking architecture ... which was possibly viewed as
somewhat in competition with sna. part of the issue is that in most of
the industry, networking it peer-to-peer ... it is only when sna had
co-opted the term networking to apply to communication ... that it was
necessary to qualify networking with peer-to-peer. this was possibly
also why she got con'ed into going to pok to be in charge of
loosely-coupled architecture. while there she also created peer-to-peer
shared data architecture ... which, except for ims hot-standby,
didn't see a lot of uptake until sysplex. misc past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#shareddata

for another archeological trivia ... APPN was originally AWP164.
misc. past posts mentioning AWP39
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#38 RS/6000 in Sysplex Environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#31 IBM 3705 and UC.5
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#8 EBCDIC to 6-bit and back
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#15 DUMP Datasets and SMS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#17 DUMP Datasets and SMS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#27 What ever happened to Tandem and 
NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#23 Channel Distances
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#52 Need Help defining an AS400 with an 
IP address to the mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#31 virtual memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#9 Arpa address
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#21 Sending CONSOLE/SYSLOG To 
Off-Mainframe Server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#4 Google Architecture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#45 Mainframe Linux Mythbusting (Was: 
Using Java in batch on z/OS?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#62 Greatest Software, System R
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#4 Was FORTRAN buggy?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#9 Was FORTRAN buggy?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#36 The Future of CPUs: What's After 
Multi-Core?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#28 Assembler question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#55 What's a mainframe?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#9 Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just 
another example of mainframe
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#48 6400 impact printer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#55 Is computer history taugh now?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#35 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 
36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#39 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 
36 bits?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#62 Friday musings on the future of 3270 
applications
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#72 FICON tape drive?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#12 JES2 or JES3, Which one is older?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#23 Newsweek article--baby boomers and 
computers

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Patrick . Falcone
If you have the CP's and the speed for short bursts maybe not an issue. If 
you don't - well - I remember the recommendation by IBM to put our WAS 
version 5 cell group in SYSSTC on a small 2 way G5 machine running 31 bit. 
I remember the faces here when we started the cell group up, 7 address 
spaces. Just about everything stopped. We did try stagger start because we 
had control but the overall pain was just too much. Of course, like maybe 
a year later, IBM later came out with zAAP's.

Like Mark said, worth a try. If it causes problems go back.
 



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Thanks to all who responded. I find it really interesting that just about 
everyone agrees to put these things into sysstc, an idea that got 
vehemently vetoed by the 'head WLM developer' when I suggested it in a 
lengthy conference call.

Thanks to Peter Hunkeler for the good stuff about Unix. I will take me 
some time to absorb that! :-)

In Barbara's case, I would like the product has to be re-engineered to
signal completion of its transactions so that she could use response time
goals. 
Exactly. That's what I would like, too.

Then get your boss to go scream at the vendor to put proper
instrumentation into their product. There's not a lot else you can do.

Well, that's what I am attempting to do. Did I mention that the vendor is 
IBM? And that the product is developed in the same location as WLM? In 
Germany, no less?
Unfortunately, my boss adopts the attitude not to do anything until there 
is a problem. And then we get yelled at because we did not take 
'pro-active' measures (to use a buzzword). So I am yelling right now (at 
IBM, via complaint).

(Did I mention velocity was a bad idea?)
Even the developer said that, of course not as bluntly as you! :-)

Best regards, Barbara


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Re: Lost my hard drive and my IBM links

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Re: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jacky Bright
 
 Hi,
 
 How can I change the DFHCOMMAREA size in the CICS Regions ? 
 Is it possible to define DFHCOMMAREA for diff. programs ? 
 Developers are saying their fields outputs are truncating due 
 to that ..?
 
 Does anyone has any idea about this ?

The default size of DFHCOMMAREA is one byte (it's a placeholder).  To
change it, any program wanting to send a commarea to another program
must include the COMMAREA(data_area) and LENGTH(commarea_length)
keywords on the LINK, XCTL or RETURN commands.  The receiving program
must have an identical mapping defined for the commarea sent.

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DFHP3A08/7.3.
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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The really big roll-out was at 2.5, and it, too, was a big porting effort 
because a number of the redesigned OS/390 processes were Unix processes 
ported to Unix System services.

I remember now (surprise!).
We did not move STK's VTS to TCP/IP from coax until 2.7, even though there was 
a lot of insistance that we could at 2.5.
2.5 was the re-write.
2.7 was the first that 'worked'.

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Re: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Jacky Bright
One of my colleague informed me whenever apps team request to add the
Program and Transaction definitions they should also inform the DFHCOMMAREA
details to system support so that system personal can ensure that is defined
in the system. It was bouncer for me .Does this make any sense to any of
you .?

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Placement of Couple Data sets

2007-10-19 Thread Lizette Koehler
The last manual I read on this was from 1999

Parallel Sysplex Performance Healthcheck

Case Study: DMdata/Danske Data

 

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg245373.pdf

 

 

I was wondering if this case study was still valid or if with the faster
CPUs and ICF and DASD whether or not I need to revisit the placement of the
CFRM, ARM, SFM, LOGR, SYSPLEX and OMVS Couple Data sets?

 

I would like to know if all primaries on one volume and all alternates on a
secondary would be valid now.

 

And if with hardware like EMC Symmectrix and IBM 2105's with a source string
and target string, whether or not placement is all that big of a deal?

 

Lizette

 


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Stack Volume Percentage

2007-10-19 Thread Art
Does anyone know of a utility that I can run to determine what percentage of 
a stack volume is used? 3592 / JA 

That would display;

 Volume # Dataset Name:   # of logical volumesPercentage 
used:

Maybe I am asking too much. But I figure that it’s worth a try.

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Re: VARY too many devices offline

2007-10-19 Thread Ed Gould

On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Field, Alan C. wrote:


Yesterday someone issued an RO *ALL,V  708-7014,OFFLINE which led to a
number of unplanned IPLs.



Now mgmt wants to implement a fingerchecker.



I searched CBT for a command exit that might ask something like you
really want to vary 26,000 devices offline?



How do others shops handle this, have you got an exit you'd be willing
to share before we re-invent the wheel.



Thanks,



Alan




Not being to tongue in cheek here.. but we used to fire the operator.

Ed

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Re: Placement of Couple Data sets

2007-10-19 Thread Lizette Koehler
Skip

Sorry for being dense, but since we now have virtual dasd (RAID) and we now
have ICF, has anyone done any current research to see if a re-evaluation of
this process needs to be done?

I am just thinking that with the current dasd types, it maybe that things
have changed a bit.

We currently have 2 separate storage arrays for the mainframe.  Our CFRM was
on the alter array (5 miles away) as is our Logr.  Both on different dasd
devices on the remote array

The Primaries for ARM, SFM, Sysplex and OMVS are on our primary Storage
array.

The primary storage array is attached to a z9. The remote to a z890.

Now, would I not have issues with the primary CFRM and LOGR on the remote
storage array?  Would it not be better for them to be on the faster z9 and
local to the z9?

Also, what reports would I look at to verify whether or not they are placed
correctly?


Lizette


 
 In that same time frame (mid 90s), our primary CFRM was so busy that we
 could not XRC mirror it. That's no longer true. But yes, three volumes are
 the minimum IBM recommendation. Other that keeping the three named
 primaries on separate volumes, all other couple data sets can apparently
 be
 placed anywhere.


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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 10/19/2007 9:46:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

software, i.e. is it zIIP eligible work. Anyway zIIPs can drop  software
cost but would not make the system run faster, would  they?





 Depends on how much it offloads? Sort of like the supermarket queue.  If you 
add an express lane and nobody has fewer than max then the express lane  does 
nothing. If all everybody has is fewer than max it  helps.



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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 10/19/2007 3:28:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

All in  all, I would not hold up the TCP/IP reimplementation as a model
of a  successful replacement of a poorly ported product.   It took  a
number releases before I would call it  successful.




It was really bad. Separate FMID's, but rolled VS/PASCAL in with the base  at
a comfort level. But what that did is knock it out of Software  Manufacturing 
'cause it didn't play by rules. So you couldn't order a new or  upgrade with 
TCP preinstalled



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Re: Where to get a standalone restore program

2007-10-19 Thread Ed Gould

On Oct 19, 2007, at 7:14 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote:


Hi

I'm searching to get a  standalone dump/restore program (DDR ? )


Is that for DFDSS or FDR or ?

Ed

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Re: Placement of Couple Data sets

2007-10-19 Thread Ted MacNEIL
IXCH0243I For each couple dataset type the primary and alternate reside on 
different volumes this is consistent with the IBM recommendation.

It used to be recommended that certain primary and alternates be flip-flopped 
over two volumes.
I have always believed they should be spread over more than two.
Also, I have never understood why there is so much I/O to disk with CF's being 
around.
I implemented my first SYSPLEX in 1994, and I never got an answer to that 
question -- other than 'because'.
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Re: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Sorry but why did you post this at IBM-Main also. 
Look at the replies at CICS-L and follow up. 

Roland

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Re: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
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 From: Jacky Bright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:12 PM
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 nope the value for progs are less than 31000. How can I do that ?
 
  You'd probably be better off asking this over on CICS-L, but there is a
  limit of 32K to the size of a DFHCOMMAREA.  Are your developers
  expecting to be able to have DFHCOMMAREA  32K?  If yes, they should use
  Channels and Containers instead of DFHCOMMAREA.

Sorry, I'm confused.  How do you do what?

If you mean how do you pass 31000 bytes, you just LINK or XCTL or RETURN
with TRANSID using a parameter that large.  There is no magic involved, and
AFAIK there aren't any limits imposed except the 32K maximum.

E.G., in COBOL:

WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
01  LARGE-PARAMETER-AREA PIC X(31000) VALUE SPACES.
...
PROCEDURE DIVISION.
...
EXEC CICS XCTL   
 PROGRAM  ('NEXTPROG')   
 COMMAREA (LARGE-PARAMETER-AREA)   
 LENGTH   (LENGTH OF LARGE-PARAMETER-AREA) 
END-EXEC.

The NEXTPROG program will receive a 31000-byte DFHCOMMAREA.

If that was not what you meant to ask, please try again.

Peter

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:38:02 +, Ted MacNEIL 
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When porting big applications or servers to z/OS UNIX the ...

It's not just z/OS UNIX.
The first implementation of TCP/IP on OS/390 was a port from VM.
And, it was a pig until they decided to re-implement by starting from 
scratch using z/OS UNIX (circa 2.7).
...

The really big roll-out was at 2.5, and it, too, was a big porting 
effort because a number of the redesigned OS/390 processes 
were Unix processes ported to Unix System services.  The new 
implementation certainly was much better performing, but it had its
own growing pains. 

For a while there were a lot of bugs, and service was pretty terrible
because the support people (IMO) either weren't familiar with the 
new (Unix-based) processes or weren't familiar with MVS.[1]   The 
doc was pretty terrible, too.   And there was a huge lack of diagnostic
tools.

All in all, I would not hold up the TCP/IP reimplementation as a model
of a successful replacement of a poorly ported product.   It took a
number releases before I would call it successful.

Pat O'Keefe

[1]  On the other hand, the improvement in TCP/IP support is one of
the truely great success stories.  Within a couple years, TCP/IP
support went from absolutely terrible to one of the best support 
teams I've seen at IBM (and therefore, anywhere).   I am
unfortunately blanking on the name of manager of the team at 
that time, and that's too bad because he deserves public praise.
I can picture him; I just can't think of his name.  :-(

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Re: How to read source from a PDS member

2007-10-19 Thread Harold Zbiegien

This is Harold,

Actually I did not write it, I just made a few corrections.
And I'm glad you took it and improved it even more.

I would suggest that you submit the update to www.cbttape.org so that others 
could similarly benefit from your enhancements.


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We've updated Harold's nice subroutine in order to be 31-bit compliant.  I 
will

send you a copy if you like.

Rich Szabo
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Re: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Biglari, Ali
They can use pointers.
Instead of passing data,  they can allocate a big enough area and pass
its address using pointer-type value through DFHCOMMAREA.
Using this technique, they are not limited to 32K.

Ali

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Hi,

How can I change the DFHCOMMAREA size in the CICS Regions ? Is it
possible to define DFHCOMMAREA for diff. programs ? Developers are
saying their fields outputs are truncating due to that ..?

Does anyone has any idea about this ?


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Re: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Jacky Bright
nope the value for progs are less than 31000. How can I do that ?

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  Hi,
 
  How can I change the DFHCOMMAREA size in the CICS Regions ? Is it
 possible
  to define DFHCOMMAREA for diff. programs ? Developers are saying their
  fields outputs are truncating due to that ..?
 
  Does anyone has any idea about this ?

 You'd probably be better off asking this over on CICS-L, but there is a
 limit of 32K to the size of a DFHCOMMAREA.  Are your developers expecting
 to
 be able to have DFHCOMMAREA  32K?  If yes, they should use Channels and
 Containers instead of DFHCOMMAREA.

 HTH

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Re: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
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 From: Jacky Bright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:41 PM
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 Subject: CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes
 
 Hi,
 
 How can I change the DFHCOMMAREA size in the CICS Regions ? Is it possible
 to define DFHCOMMAREA for diff. programs ? Developers are saying their
 fields outputs are truncating due to that ..?
 
 Does anyone has any idea about this ?

You'd probably be better off asking this over on CICS-L, but there is a
limit of 32K to the size of a DFHCOMMAREA.  Are your developers expecting to
be able to have DFHCOMMAREA  32K?  If yes, they should use Channels and
Containers instead of DFHCOMMAREA.

HTH

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CICS DFHCOMMAREA changes

2007-10-19 Thread Jacky Bright
Hi,

How can I change the DFHCOMMAREA size in the CICS Regions ? Is it possible
to define DFHCOMMAREA for diff. programs ? Developers are saying their
fields outputs are truncating due to that ..?

Does anyone has any idea about this ?


JAcky

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Re: Lost my hard drive and my IBM links

2007-10-19 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: Lost my hard drive and my IBM links
 
 
 Help -
 
 I need the URL's  for IBM service link(IBMLINK)  and also the IBM
 publication's link.
 
 Thanks
 
 
 John Norgauer

http://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/link2 for IBMLink

many possible book sites:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves
http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/shelves
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/Shelves/
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/bkserv/

ShopzSeries:
https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/ShopzSeries/ShopzSeries.jsp

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Re: Lost my hard drive and my IBM links

2007-10-19 Thread Richard Pinion
Did you initiate your disaster recovery plan?

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Help -

I need the URL's for IBM service link(IBMLINK) and also the IBM
publication's link.

Thanks


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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
All work that can be dispatched on a zIIP will run at full speed 
regardless of the speed of the general CPs. So, yes, a zIIP can 
actually make work run faster.

My fault. I just didn't think of throttled engines. 

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Re: Placement of Couple Data sets

2007-10-19 Thread Skip Robinson
The most current recommendation I've seen comes from Health Checker. At
z/OS 1.9, an 'OK' result gives the message below. I would not venture to
guess whether fast DASD and channels would allow you stray from the blessed
path.

IXCH0243I For each couple dataset type the primary and alternate reside
on different volumes this is consistent with the IBM recommendation.

IXCH0241I The following PRIMARY couple datasets reside on unique
volumes:
 SYS1.COUPLE.SYSPLEX1
 SYS1.COUPLE.CFRM1
 SYS1.COUPLE.LOGGER1

This is consistent with the IBM recommendation that the primary SYSPLEX
couple dataset, the primary CFRM couple dataset, and the primary LOGR
couple dataset, should be placed on different volumes.

.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
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The last manual I read on this was from 1999

Parallel Sysplex Performance Healthcheck

Case Study: DMdata/Danske Data



http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg245373.pdf





I was wondering if this case study was still valid or if with the faster
CPUs and ICF and DASD whether or not I need to revisit the placement of the
CFRM, ARM, SFM, LOGR, SYSPLEX and OMVS Couple Data sets?



I would like to know if all primaries on one volume and all alternates on a
secondary would be valid now.



And if with hardware like EMC Symmectrix and IBM 2105's with a source
string
and target string, whether or not placement is all that big of a deal?



Lizette

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Re: Zapping HFS files

2007-10-19 Thread Henry Willard
McKown, John wrote:

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 snipped

 I asked over on the Linux-390 forum about this. GNU patch has a --binary
 option for changing binary (non text) files. Unfortunately, IBM once
 again lags behind GNU in functionality.

There is nothing magical about patch or particularly advanced. It takes the
output from diff and applies to other files. I believe patch has been ported
to z/OS, and if it weren't it shouldn't be hard to do.



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Lost my hard drive and my IBM links

2007-10-19 Thread John Norgauer
Help -

I need the URL's  for IBM service link(IBMLINK)  and also the IBM
publication's link.

Thanks


John Norgauer
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Re: IBM System/3 3277-1

2007-10-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to 
comp.sys.ibm.sys3x.misc,alt.folklore.computers,bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 (For the AS/400 I never could figure the internal code architecture,
 IBM used something called LIC that was rather vague.  I once tried
 to get an optional machine language listing of my application program
 compilation but it was very confusing.  I believe IBM used a multi-
 layered approach for AS/400 internals, remnants of its Future System
 effort.  I was not a big AS/400 fan, except for a file-aid tool that
 was better than mainframe tools.)

one of the things that as/400 layered approach bought was that it could
move from a CICS chip to a (power/pc) RISC chip w/o a lot of trouble.

the future system project was going to replace 360/370 in the
early-to-mid 70s ... when the project was eventually canceled there was
big effort to make up for lost time resulting from the future system
distraction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#futuresys

attempting to get stuff back into the 370 (hardware  software) product
pipelines ... crash program for 303x was part of that. part of the
analysis killing the project was that if a future system machine was
built from the fastest hardware then available (370/195) it would have
the thruput of a 370/145.

the folklore is that some of the future system participants regrouped in
rochester, coming out with the s/38 (which didn't have nearly the
thruput requirements).

i've periodically commented that there is some characteristics of the
801 risc activities in the 70s  to go to the exact opposite extreme
of what went on in future system.

a early, big push for 801/risc was effort to replace the multitude of
corporate internal microprocessors with common risc architecture chips
(every low-to-mid range 370 implemented with microcode on their own
unique microprocessor, controllers, and other kinds of microprocessors).
one of these was going to be the s/38 followon, as/400. the common
801/risc microprocessor effort ran into all sorts of problems and
eventually died off ... at which time, as/400 had crash project to
design a new CISC processor. misc. past 801, romp, rios, fort knox,
power, power/pc, somerset, etc postings
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801

as well as some old email from the period
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801

effectively the effort was revisited when rochester began move of as/400
from their CISC chip to its current use of 801/RISC chip.

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Dead operating systems

2007-10-19 Thread Phil Payne
Dr Goebel is the most fanatical anti-Flex-ES person within the whole of IBM.

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Re: How to read source from a PDS member

2007-10-19 Thread GAVIN Darren * OPS EAS
I've done this buy using the 'OPTIONAL phrase on the file select in
Cobol, and then using TSO Allocate and Free commands from inside the
program itself.

The Program needs to Allocate, then OPEN, Read or Write, then Close,
then Free the file.  This can be repeated in a single run of the program
as many times as needed.

01  WS-DYNAMIC-ALLOCATIONS.   
05  WS-ALLOCATE.  
10  FILLER  PIC X(28) 
VALUE 'ALLOCATE F(JOBPROC) DSNAME('''.
10  FILLER  PIC X(20) 
VALUE 'SDEV.PROD.P.PROCLIB('. 
10  MEMBER-NAME PIC X(8) .
10  FILLER  PIC X(7)  
VALUE ')'') SHR'. 
05  WS-DEALLOCATE   PIC X(15) 
VALUE 'FREE F(JOBPROC)'.  

*   WORK AREA'S FOR TSO INTERFACING   
 01  TSO-LINKPIC X(8) VALUE 'TSOLNK'. 
 01  TSO-FLAGS   PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE 257.
 01  TSO-LENGTH  PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE 0.  
 01  TSO-RC  PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE 0.  
 01  TSO-REASON  PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE 0.  
 01  TSO-ABEND   PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE 0.  

/
* DYNAMICALY ALLOCATE FILE THROUGH TSO SERVICES  
*
 8000-TSO-ALLOCATE.  
 
 MOVE LENGTH OF WS-ALLOCATE TO TSO-LENGTH.   
 CALL TSO-LINK USING TSO-FLAGS WS-ALLOCATE TSO-LENGTH
 TSO-RC TSO-REASON TSO-ABEND.
 
 8000-EXIT. EXIT.
 
/
* DYNAMICALY DEALLOCATE FILE THROUGH TSO SERVICES
*
 8100-TSO-DEALLOCATE.
 
 MOVE LENGTH OF WS-DEALLOCATE TO TSO-LENGTH. 
 CALL TSO-LINK USING TSO-FLAGS WS-DEALLOCATE TSO-LENGTH  
 TSO-RC TSO-REASON TSO-ABEND.
 
 8100-EXIT. EXIT.


The Program needs to run under batch TSO services similar to a DB2
program

//STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01  
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*   
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*   
//SYSTSIN  DD *  
 CALL *(MYPROG)


Hope this helps,

Darren

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules
 
 
 
 Have to run the zIIPalyzer to make an educated guess. Maybe a little,
 maybe  
 enough to make it thru the humps. W/O measurement just idle
 speculation.
 
 I didn't mean to ask for the quantity but for how zIIPs can help that 
 software, i.e. is it zIIP eligible work. Anyway zIIPs can 
 drop software
 cost but would not make the system run faster, would they?
 
 -- 
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All work that can be dispatched on a zIIP will run at full speed
regardless of the speed of the general CPs. So, yes, a zIIP can actually
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Re: VARY too many devices offline

2007-10-19 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Field, Alan C.
 
 Yesterday someone issued an RO *ALL,V  708-7014,OFFLINE which 
 led to a number of unplanned IPLs. 
 
 Now mgmt wants to implement a fingerchecker. 
 
 I searched CBT for a command exit that might ask something 
 like you really want to vary 26,000 devices offline? 
 
 How do others shops handle this, have you got an exit you'd 
 be willing to share before we re-invent the wheel.

We use a home-grown exit that examines DISPLAY and VARY commands,
requiring device addresses to be entered as 4-digit numbers and limiting
ranges to 32 devices, and suppresses the command along with a console
message if the operator muffs it.  I'll seek permission to send you a
copy off-list, if you wish.

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Re: VARY too many devices offline

2007-10-19 Thread McKown, John
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Field, Alan C.
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:14 AM
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 Subject: VARY too many devices offline
 
 Yesterday someone issued an RO *ALL,V  708-7014,OFFLINE which led to a
 number of unplanned IPLs. 
 
 Now mgmt wants to implement a fingerchecker. 
 
 I searched CBT for a command exit that might ask something like you
 really want to vary 26,000 devices offline? 
 
 How do others shops handle this, have you got an exit you'd be willing
 to share before we re-invent the wheel.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Alan 

We use CA-OPS/MVS to validate the range on all VARY commands. Do you
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Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?

2007-10-19 Thread Martin Packer
Peter Hunkeler said: 

 You can switch interval recording on if you need even more of 
 those virtual projectiles.

Sorry, I WAS referring to interval recording. I've a feeling Cees was 
referring to the 30-4 and -5 subtypes. 

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Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?

2007-10-19 Thread Patrick Lyon

No.  Not unless you have a VSTOR detail set up ahead of time or were
running RMF MON II in the background.  See hlq.IBM.PARMLIB(ERBRMF03)
and the fine manuals for how to do that.

Mark

Clarification... since you mentioned AUX specifically in the last post:

VSTOR won't show the AUX frames.. but will show the virtual storage usage
by subpool within the job you monitor.  I think that was part of what you
wanted in your original post IIRC.   If you run RMF III and backup the
volumes with the VSAM history (full volume or incremental), you could
also restore them and specifically allocate them to your TSO session
(RMFDSnn) and start a monitor 3 session to use STORF.

Mark

Ah HA!  That is what I had thought being I was pouring over the RMF Users 
Guide and running every type of report I could with no success.

Thanks Mark and to all who replied.
Pat L.

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 10/19/2007 1:31:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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How  would zIIPs help here?




Have to run the zIIPalyzer to make an educated guess. Maybe a little, maybe  
enough to make it thru the humps. W/O measurement just idle speculation.
 
Same for some of Cheryl's stuff like GoalTender at _www.watsonwalker.com_ 
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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Patrick . Falcone
I seem to remember this as TCP/IP version 3.2 with 3.3 having the fixes 
for optimization. Weren't there twin stacks being managed or some such 
thing. I'm not too TCP/IP literate. We had this original version 
implemented because I remember doing a pre/post resource impact analysis 
finding additional CPU, significant in relation to prior usage, in use by 
TCP/IP.




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 And, it was a pig until they decided to re-implement by starting from
 scratch using z/OS UNIX (circa 2.7).

there was two issues ... the base was implemented in vs/pascal on on
3090 (under vm) it got about 44kbytes/sec thruput and consumed nearly
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Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?

2007-10-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:53 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:15:54 -0500, Patrick Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can use via
batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what address
space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other report
feature that I am not familiar with?  I need to go back weeks of kept SMF
data, not just hours of real time online data.


No.  Not unless you have a VSTOR detail set up ahead of time or were
running RMF MON II in the background.  See hlq.IBM.PARMLIB(ERBRMF03)
and the fine manuals for how to do that.

Mark

Clarification... since you mentioned AUX specifically in the last post:  

VSTOR won't show the AUX frames.. but will show the virtual storage usage 
by subpool within the job you monitor.  I think that was part of what you
wanted in your original post IIRC.   If you run RMF III and backup the 
volumes with the VSAM history (full volume or incremental), you could
also restore them and specifically allocate them to your TSO session
(RMFDSnn) and start a monitor 3 session to use STORF.

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Re: In defense of z/XDC

2007-10-19 Thread David Cole

At 10/16/2007 06:54 PM, Leonard D Woren wrote:

Does this mean that you use z/XDC to debug z/XDC?  That must be fun.


Yes, of course I do. And yes, even after 29 years, it STILL is fun!

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Announcement: z/XDC z1.9 released

2007-10-19 Thread David Cole

Hi All,

We have posted our latest release (z1.9) of z/XDC. For more 
information, see www.colesoft.com/pr071015.shtml.


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Re: Where to get a standalone restore program

2007-10-19 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
I'm searching to get a  standalone dump/restore program (DDR ? )

DFDSS has a stand alone restore program. Search the dss books for 
stand alone or BUILDSA.

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Where to get a standalone restore program

2007-10-19 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

I'm searching to get a  standalone dump/restore program (DDR ? )

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Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?

2007-10-19 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Martin Packer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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om...
 Kees wrote:
 
  Remember that the reported figures are highwater marks, 
  so they will only go up, never down, but it can provide 
  you a clue.
 
 I tend to characterise this as Allocated rather than Suballocated /
Used.

Don't think so, it is the highwater mark of what has been allocated.

 
 So in principle the numbers can go down - but that's not a frequent 
 occurrence with DB2.

Don't think so, highwater marks never get lower, even if the allocated
virtual storage goes down.

 
 And, perhaps parenthetically, 

Since I had to grab the dictionary at the same time this week as Barbara
did, I now know the word parenthetically (although it still makes me
think it reads pathetically).

I don't trust the REAL memory numbers in 

I am referring to virtual storage in smf 30.

 Type 30 any further than I can throw them. :-(

That sounds like a more interesting competition that throwing
cellphones.

Kees.

 
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Re: Any way to duplex SMF data?

2007-10-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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SLR is based on VSAM databases - which is why I stick with it for my mode
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I vaguely recall that they added DB2 support to it, but I'm not sure
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Re: How to read source from a PDS member

2007-10-19 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:42:28 -0400 Gerhard Postpischil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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:Paul Gilmartin wrote:
: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:27:02 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
: BPAM is not THAT unfriendly.

: If it truly were not THAT unfriendly you'd not have troubled
: to write a wrapper to hide the hostility from the programmer;
: nor would numerous other inventors who independently replicated
: your effort.

:I don't want to start a mud slinging contest, but the reason I 
:use macros and subroutines is to isolate my code from system 
:changes, and to free time to do useful work, rather than repeat 
:the same drudge work over and over. Thus over the decades, some 
:BPAM code has been replaced by DESERV, some LOCATE code by the 
:catalog interface, and OBTAIN SEEK/SEARCH by CVAF Functions, etc.

Or to perform common functions.

Who hasn't written parsing macros/subroutines, message builders, etc.?

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Well, that's what I am attempting to do. Did I mention that the 
vendor is IBM? And that the product is developed in the same 
location as WLM? In Germany, no less?

Well, unfortunately, there are still too many people out there in 
software development that don't have a clue what z/OS UNIX really 
means.

Porting software from one OS to another implies a certain level of
knowledge on both OSs, IMHO. When porting to z/OS UNIX, there is yet 
another key player that needs to be factored in: MVS! Most ports 
probably are more or less easy to do. However, there are techniques 
that work perfectly in a pure UNIX but will fail miserably or become
CPU hogs on z/OS UNIX because MVS was not designed to work that way.

When porting big applications or servers to z/OS UNIX the developers 
must be willing to change the design here and there to cope with 
z/OS UNIX and MVS behaviour. This makes the difference between a 
successful port and a not so successful one.

I'm *not* meaning to give offence to anybody! 

Since there *is* z/OS UNIX which *is* XPG compliant, there seems to 
be no need to know about the MVS part, so people don't get educated 
on MVS and, worse, are not even told to get advice from MVS people.

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Re: Placement of Couple Data sets

2007-10-19 Thread Skip Robinson
In that same time frame (mid 90s), our primary CFRM was so busy that we
could not XRC mirror it. That's no longer true. But yes, three volumes are
the minimum IBM recommendation. Other that keeping the three named
primaries on separate volumes, all other couple data sets can apparently be
placed anywhere.




   
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IXCH0243I For each couple dataset type the primary and alternate reside on
different volumes this is consistent with the IBM recommendation.

It used to be recommended that certain primary and alternates be
flip-flopped over two volumes.
I have always believed they should be spread over more than two.
Also, I have never understood why there is so much I/O to disk with CF's
being around.
I implemented my first SYSPLEX in 1994, and I never got an answer to that
question -- other than 'because'.

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Re: Lost my hard drive and my IBM links

2007-10-19 Thread Thompson, Steve
https://www-304.ibm.com/jct03004c/ibmlink/link2/servicelink/servicelinkP
age.jsp?lc=encc=US  ibmlink

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/bkserv/   Pubs for
z/OS 

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Help -

I need the URL's  for IBM service link(IBMLINK)  and also the IBM
publication's link.

Thanks
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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Craddock, Chris
  I didn't mean to ask for the quantity but for how zIIPs can
  help that software, i.e. is it zIIP eligible work. Anyway
  zIIPs can drop software cost but would not make the system
  run faster, would they?
 
 Possibly -- IIRC the specialty engines always run at full throttle,
 regardless whether the GP engines are handicapped.

It is true that specialty engines run at full machine speed, even on
kneecapped boxes. And it is true that they don't count for software
pricing purposes. 

So it is possible that the addition of specialty engines _might_ provide
enough extra capacity for the other existing workloads that _could_ use
them, to free up enough CP capacity for this unruly application.

However, it is highly unlikely that any of the unruly application's own
processing would run on a specialty engine unless that application is
Java based. And, while cheap, the specialty engines aren't free either.

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Chase, John
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3)
 
 [ snip ]
 
 I didn't mean to ask for the quantity but for how zIIPs can 
 help that software, i.e. is it zIIP eligible work. Anyway 
 zIIPs can drop software cost but would not make the system 
 run faster, would they?

Possibly -- IIRC the specialty engines always run at full throttle,
regardless whether the GP engines are handicapped.

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Dead operating systems

2007-10-19 Thread Rich Smrcina
For our doomsayer friend in Poland... do dead operating systems get 
press releases?


http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/071019/0317343.html

Link courtesy of Jerry Johnston of IBM.

I must say it is pretty rare that IBM will publicly acknowledge VSE in 
this manner, so any chance that we get to gloat about it, we'll take... :)

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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted MacNEIL) writes:
 It's not just z/OS UNIX.
 The first implementation of TCP/IP on OS/390 was a port from VM.
 And, it was a pig until they decided to re-implement by starting from
 scratch using z/OS UNIX (circa 2.7).

there was two issues ... the base was implemented in vs/pascal on on
3090 (under vm) it got about 44kbytes/sec thruput and consumed nearly
whole 3090 processor. i did the support for rfc 1044 
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044

and in some tuning tests at cray research ... got 1mbyte/sec (channel
media) thruput between 4341 clone and cray machine ... using only very
modest amount of the 4341 ... about 25 times the bytes moved for maybe
1/30th the pathlength ... say nearly three orders of magnitude
improvement in bytes/mip thruput

the initial port to os ... kept the base vm tcp/ip code unchanged and
implemented a cut-down vm emulation underneath (just enuf to run the
tcp/ip code) ... which further aggrevated the poor tcp/ip thruput

there was then a tcp/ip implementation done in vtam that had been
outsourced to subcontractor. the folklore is that initial version
delivered had tcp with higher thruput than lu6.2 and the subcontractor
was told that everybody knows that lu6.2 has much higher thruput (than
tcp/ip) and therefor the tcp/ip implementation must be incorrect ... and
only a correct implementation was going to be accepted.

misc. past references to folklore about the vtam-based implementation
for tcp/ip
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#79 Database term ok for plain files?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#58 Disincentives for MVS  future of MVS 
systems programmers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#19 Vnet : Unbelievable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#27 Beyond 8+3
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#2 Fix the shuttle or fly it unmanned
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#35 The attack of the killer mainframes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#43 Systems Programming for 8 Year-olds
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#15 DUMP Datasets and SMS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#2 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 
design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#13 Barbaras (mini-)rant
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#53 Mainframe Linux Mythbusting (Was: 
Using Java in batch on z/OS?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#29 Descriptive term for reentrant 
program that nonetheless is
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#8 whiny question: Why won't z/OS support 
the HMC 3270 emulator

i had a project i called hsdt (high-speed data transport) 
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt

that would periodically run into contention with the communication
group. among other things, had deployed backbone connected to the
internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet

that had T1 (and higher speed) terrestrial and satellite links.

recent post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#64

mentioning business trip to the far east to visit a company that
we were buying some hardware from. the friday before we left,
somebody in raleigh had announced a new internal discussion
group that was to use the following terminology references:

low-speed  9.6kbits
medium-speed19.2kbits
high-speed  56kbits
very high-speed 1.5mbits

on the wall of a conference room, the following monday on the 
other side of the pacific

low-speed   20mbits
medium-speed100mbits
high-speed  200-300mbits
very high-speed 600mbits

we had also been doing some work with NSF and various universities
leading up to what was to be NSFNET backbone ... aka tcp/ip is the
technology basis for the modern internet, nsfnet backbone is the
operational basis for the modern internet and CIX is the business basis
for the modern internet.

some old email references from that period
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

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Re: problems(probably) in SSL after migration from WAS3.5 to WAS5.1

2007-10-19 Thread Aaron Walker
I also found this:
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21215703

Are you running through the z/OS HTTP Server?  If so, is the 
communication between that and WAS using SSL (if you don't know, 
then it probably is).  That can be changed to HTTP if you want - save 
you some cycles.

Do you have crypto engines configured and used?  Any other specialty 
engines?

Are there any other applications on this WAS instance?  How are they 
performing?  How is your JVM garbage collection?  How do your RMF 
reports look?  What kind of delays?

What other kind of work is on this box?  Is the WAS work priority 
reasonable with relation to your other work?  Do you have the STC set 
to a velocity goal, and the WAS work (CB) set to a response-time goal?

Aaron


On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:38:23 -0500, Pawel Leszczynski 
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Hello everybody,

After migration one of our application from WAS3.5 to WAS5.1 we 
encountered
following problem:

response time grows dramatically, and in time of peak, most of users 
cannot
simply logon (or work with) application.
In WAS log we can see a lot of messages like that:

Trace: 2007/10/18 10:47:51.624 01 t=AC40D0 c=UNK key=S2 
(0E012048)
  Description: Failure Exit from - SecurityManager::secureSocketInit
  Socket descriptor: 525
  gsk_secure_socket_init: 415

we found on IBM's pages solution of similar problem:

http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg1PK34416

but

1. we don't use PAUSELISTENER nor RESUMELISTENER modify 
commands
2. environment variable control_region_dreg_on_no_srs is not 
specified

(so we don't know if it's really this situation).

One more question:
we looked at our configuration of WAS5.1 and some doubts appear:

1.control_region_ssl_thread_pool_size is set to default = 3
(in documentation is written that it shouldn't be changed)
(isn't it too small for big workload?)

2.control_region_thread_pool_size=25.
(maybe here is bottleneck?)

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Re: Any way to duplex SMF data?

2007-10-19 Thread Birger Heede

Shmuel,
SLR was non-DB2 (even announced as such in V3 R3.1 - the last release I 
think).


The product marketing by IBM that supported DB2 was:

SystemView Enterprise Performance Data Manager/MVS (EPDM, 5695-101)

that was renamed into IBM Performance Reporter again renamed into
the Tivoli Performance Reporter - that again..

Birger Heede
IBM Denmark

Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:

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on 10/18/2007
   at 10:58 AM, Martin Packer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


SLR is based on VSAM databases - which is why I stick with it for my mode
of usage.


I vaguely recall that they added DB2 support to it, but I'm not sure
whether that was before the first (4 letter) name change.



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Re: How to read source from a PDS member

2007-10-19 Thread Rich Szabo
We've updated Harold's nice subroutine in order to be 31-bit compliant.  I will 
send you a copy if you like.   

Rich Szabo
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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Ted MacNEIL
When porting big applications or servers to z/OS UNIX the developers must be 
willing to change the design here and there to cope with z/OS UNIX and MVS 
behaviour. This makes the difference between a 
successful port and a not so successful one.

It's not just z/OS UNIX.
The first implementation of TCP/IP on OS/390 was a port from VM.
And, it was a pig until they decided to re-implement by starting from scratch 
using z/OS UNIX (circa 2.7).

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Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?

2007-10-19 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 On Oct 18, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Patrick Lyon wrote:
 
  Thanks to all who have responded.
 
  We went through this all again today and DB2 crashed.  After  
  restarting it, it
  doesn't take up near the storage as just before it went down.
 
  After doing some research, I found some storage related PTFs that  
  were not
  on describing not freeing storage.  I will apply these ASAP.
 
  But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can

  use via
  batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what  
  address
  space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other  
  report
  feature that I am not familiar with?  I need to go back weeks of  
  kept SMF
  data, not just hours of real time online data.
 
  Thanks again for all who have responded.
 
  Best Regards,
  Patrick Lyon
 Patrick,
 
 There is an RMF report (you feed SMF recs for the time period you  
 want reported) that gives you numbers on paging slots used/available.
 
 Its been 10 years since I ran it but I am sure thats its still there.
 
 The last time I ran it I went with several months worth of data to  
 prove that we didn't need more page spaces.
 
 Ed
 

Yes, reporting AUX useage and its growth is available.
However, finding the offender is difficult. If you have an suspect, you
can trace SMF30 for its virtual storage useage and growth. Remember that
the reported figures are highwater marks, so they will only go up, never
down, but it can provide you a clue.

Kees.
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Re: Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules

2007-10-19 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Well, zIIPs are cheaper than CPUs, but in this case maybe CuOD is the 
best choice. If you pays more, then probably under powered  anyway...

How would zIIPs help here?

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Subject: Secure FTP Config: CIPHERSUITE statements?

2007-10-19 Thread Steve Bireley
Hi John,

My understanding is that the client and the server will use the first cipher 
suite they agree on.  You should arrange them in order of preference (strongest 
to weakest) so the first cipher both sides agree on is the strongest.  If you 
are using BZ FTP, click on the lock icon on the status bar to see which suite 
was negotiated.  You can change the list on the mainframe and try it again.

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Product Development
BlueZone Software
www.bluezonesoftware.com
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Subject: Secure FTP Config: CIPHERSUITE statements?
Hi, All,
Is it better to order the CIPHERSUITE statements from weaker to
stronger, or from stronger to weaker?
Why?
TIA,
-jc-

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Re: Where to get a standalone restore program

2007-10-19 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Thank you

Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:


I'm searching to get a  standalone dump/restore program (DDR ? )
   



DFDSS has a stand alone restore program. Search the dss books for 
stand alone or BUILDSA.


 



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Re: IBM System/3 3277-1

2007-10-19 Thread McKown, John
TIMI is what you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/400

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