date:20071221

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:21:03 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We face the problem that some people can no longer update
a dataset from within a program. The access to the dataset
should be allowed, from what I understand, by ACF2's
implementation of the RACF PADS function.

I understand that a rule like this

 $KEY(HLQ)
  U.P0.- UID(*) LIB('ABC.LOADLIB') READ(A) WRITE(A) EXEC(A)

would allow any user to update any HLLQ.U.P0.** dataset
from within a program loaded from ABC.LOADLIB

If this is correct (my ACF2 knowledge rather rudimentary), then
does it matter it ABC.LOADLIB is PDS or PDSE? The only known
change since this used to work the last time is that we converted
the loadlib from PDS to PDSE.

Any help is much appreciated

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It shouldn't AFAIK.   Is the update being allowed regardless or not being
allowed at all?  If not at all, have you run a violation report?  Have you
tried using the rule test facility?  You can also do a SECTRACE.  

I don't know where you are and where you get support if you call CA, but
in my experience over the years (including recently - I still support one
small LPAR running ACF2) is that their support is top notch and they are 
always willing to help with even simple how to questions.

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Re: Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track

2007-12-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)

 
 
In a message dated 12/20/2007 5:22:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I seem  to remember macro TRACKCAP (?) that would return the needed 
information to  you (or I may be confused and it had a different  
function).



That would be TRKCALC, which is documented in the DFSMSdfp Advanced  Service 
book, SC26-7400.
 
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Re: IBM Beacon Award (for Business Partners) Nominations Now Open

2007-12-21 Thread Thompson, Steve

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IBM is now accepting nominations for the IBM Beacon Awards.  Details he=
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http://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/2008_awards.html

SNIP

I propose either T3 or PSI.

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Re: ATS STAR question

2007-12-21 Thread Scott Fagen

Kees Vernooy wrote:
-snip-
Scott,

I can't access the post in the archives, maybe this link requires
administrator functions? I have not been able to find it through normal
searces for ATS STAR.
-snip-

I'm not an expert on LISTSERV functions, but I had to join the
IBM-MAIN-ARCHIVES list to be able to see the archives.  I'll copy the pertinent
parts of the post here: 
-
Subject: Re: Sharing tape drives...ibm replacement for mia? 
From: Scott Fagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:27:24 -0600 
Content-Type: text/plain 

-edit- 
ATS Star
- is shipped with base z/OS.
- is based on the use of the AS (auto switchable) attribute on VARY and
HCD.
- also uses assign/unassign to ensure that 'foreign' use of tape drives does
not cause tape integrity errors (for example, you could interconnect two
ATS Star sysplexes and maintain integrity, you would, however, lose some of
the allocation efficiencies inherent in knowing who currently has the
drive, what volume is on it, etc.)
-edit-

As with all things, your mileage may vary.

Scott Fagen
z/OS Core Technology Design
IBM Poughkeepsie
-


One of the advantages of the large amount of TS7700 units was the
ability to drop CA-MIA.

I'd have qualify your statement with 'it depends'.  If you have enough drives
so that it is never true that the 'lazy' process for reclaiming AFH drives
causes
allocations to fail, then you can eliminate MIA.  On the other hand, AFH is a
rather heavy-handed mechanism.  The sysplex does not really know which
devices in that state can be reclaimed and attempts are made periodically to do
so.  In the interim, if no drives are available for an allocation (because all 
candidates are either in use or AFH at the time of the request), then that
request will go into recovery allocation.

With the AFH situation, I am referring to a situation where a system
outside the sysplex has a unit assigned. As I understand ATS STAR now,
the status of units is available through XCF messaging within the
sysplex, so the known AFH units will be lower in the list. However, if a
unit is assigned by a system outside the sysplex, allocation will only
notice this when it selects an apparently free unit, tries to Assign it
and discovers AFH. Will this allocation go and find another unit or will
it wait until the AFH unit becomes available again?

Ah, I understand the question now - it will try another unit.  The unit is not
considered allocated until the ENQ on the device is held and the device is 
ASSIGNed.

This is specifically where MIA is superior to ATS Star.  Since the
MIA-'plex' scope
includes all the systems using the tape drives, there is no chance for a
drive to be discovered to be in an AFH state.  It's either available or
unavailable.

The latter case is not acceptable for production systems and this is my
concern.

Paragraph Migration Issues Customers Can Experience of apar II13666 more
or less describes the situation where units can be assigned by an
IEFAUTOS systems and ATS STAR systems and this seems similar to units
being allocated by two ATS STAR Sysplexes.

Scott Fagen
Enterprise Systems Management

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Re: OT: tinyurl [was 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting]

2007-12-21 Thread daver++

 From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 And clicking through tinyurl (or any proxy) provides yet *another* leak
 for your browsing history to escape through.

Interestingly enough, my work internet filters block tinyurl. In order
to get to a page referenced by a tinyurl, I have to chain through all
the work proxies into a third party internet proxy such as PROXIFY.COM
in order to go to TINYURL.COM and get the actual link, at which point I
can back out of PROXIFY and go directly to the link, finally.

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Re: 3590 Tape Automated TApe

2007-12-21 Thread Russell Witt

Jacky,

I am sorry if this sounds like a marketing plug, but have you considered a
small virtual-tape solution? With only 4 physical drives, you probably don't
have a need for a large robotic device; but CA-Vtape is a software
virtual-tape solution that can be scaled very small. This way, your nightly
backups would run without any need for tape operators and you can do the
backstore operation at a specific time-of-day during the day and stack
everything together onto one or two 3590 drives.

Russell Witt
CA-1 L2 Support Manager

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Behalf Of Jacky Bright
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:13 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: 3590 Tape Automated TApe


These standalone 3590 drives killing me. Daily some kinda errors in 3590
drives which in turn affects the backup. I wish if cud have new Robo
operated Automated Tape Library...

Anyone hav an idea about this ?

I have 2 3590 Drives and 2 3490 Drives.

Is there any model available which will have Robo operated 3590 / 3490
Drives ?  This will make my Tape Operator's task easy.

Some model in which I can load all scratch tapes at a time and then its
robo's responsibility to pickup proper scratch and load it into drive.

I have CA-1 as TMS also.



JAcky

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Re: Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track

2007-12-21 Thread J R

 I seem to remember macro TRACKCAP (?) 
 
TRKCALC  
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:14:38 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 
 Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU  At 
 12:29 -0500 on 12/20/2007, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote  about Re: 
 Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track:  I forgot to add that I 
 found the official formula once, probably on an IBM reference card for the 
 3390.  I seem to remember macro TRACKCAP (?) that would return the needed  
 information to you (or I may be confused and it had a different  function).
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Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Dave Salt

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the buy more side, I generally favor looking 
 first at application developer productivity, because that's where you'll 
 find significant IT cost. That's also where business benefits result, if 
 developers can deliver quicker and with higher quality. I get very concerned 
 with organizations where this software line in the developer productivity 
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Analyzing zIIP engines at z/OS v1.6 and DB2 v7

2007-12-21 Thread Kelman, Tom

This has been cross posted to the MXG Listserv.

 

I have been following the recent thread about doing an analysis for zIIP
engines.  However the suggestions in that thread used the ZIEUNITS
variable in the TYPE72GO observations.  It is my understanding that to
get that value you need to have DB2 v8 installed.  I also heard that you
need z/OS v1.8 or above installed, but I'm not sure of that.  I have
also searched the listserv archives and from what I see all the
information on this assumes  z/OS v1.8 and DB2 v8.

 

We are on z/OS v1.6 and DB2 v7 with plans to go to z/OS v1.9 and DB2 v8
next year.  We are also interested in the possibility of adding a zIIP
engine.  I have been asked to analyze if a zIIP engine would be cost
effective for us.  Does anyone know how to do that at these version
levels?

 

 

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Re: OT: tinyurl [was 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting]

On 20 Dec 2007 13:11:28 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walt Farrell)
wrote:

In response to that concern, TinyUrl allows you to specify that you want to
preview the long link  before clicking through.  You can specify that option
at tinyurl.com if you want.

In addition, anyone creating a TinyUrl link can post either a direct
click0-through link or a preview link.  I always post the preview links, for
example, so that people who have not established the preview option will
see the real link before they click through.

Does Make A Shorter Link have these features too?

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Re: OT: tinyurl [was 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting]

2007-12-21 Thread Chase, John

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee
 
 On 20 Dec 2007 13:11:28 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walt Farrell)
 wrote:
 
 In response to that concern, TinyUrl allows you to specify that you 
 want to preview the long link  before clicking through.  You can 
 specify that option at tinyurl.com if you want.
 
 In addition, anyone creating a TinyUrl link can post either a direct 
 click0-through link or a preview link.  I always post the preview 
 links, for example, so that people who have not established the 
 preview option will see the real link before they click through.
 
 Does Make A Shorter Link have these features too?

http://makeashorterlink.com/ says this now:

Make A Shorter Link has been acquired by TinyURL.com

TinyURL is committed to making sure that the short links made via Make a
Shorter Link, TinyURL, and similar services remain active indefinitely,
so we have acquired Make a Shorter Link (MASL). We will continue to
maintain the URLs in the MASL database to ensure they continue to work.


   -jc-

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Re: Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track

2007-12-21 Thread Rob Wunderlich

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:39:40 +0100, R.S. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where can I find further information (some RTFM) ?

According to notes in a blocksize calc exec I wrote years ago, the track 
layout and calculations are documented in sc26-4574 3390 dasd in an mvs 
environment. I can't seem to locate a softcopy today. 

If helpful, I can post the exec.

-Rob

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Re: Flushing SMF Records from Buffer

2007-12-21 Thread Michael Cleary

Greetings,

SMF records generally fall into two categories - event driven and time driven.  
This means that the creator of the SMF record does so either based on a 
specific event happening or by the passing of an interval of time that it has 
setup.  Most SMF interval record creators have a way to customize the 
interval.  That being said, you can't read an SMF record that hasn't been 
created yet.  

At a high level this is what happens.  After the SMF record is created, it goes 
into the local storage of the SMF address space until it is written to the 
active SMF dataset/logstream (z/OS 1.9 +).  On a somewhat active system 
with current DASD technologies, SMF records do not stay in the SMF address 
space local storage long.  If they do, that is a symptom of a problem.  

Once the SMF record goes into the active SMF dataset, the SMF record is 
readable in the active SMF dataset.  The most straight forward way to read 
the new SMF record is to do an I SMF and then read the offloaded SMF 
dataset that is created by the normal SMF offload process.  If this is not fast 
enough, maybe the normal SMF offload process should be assessed and 
tuned.

Can you provide more details about exactly what SMF records you are trying 
to process?

Cheers...

Michael 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:15:14 -0600, Jason To 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Scott,

Thanks for your prompt reply. Is this only available in z/OS 1.9? We
are currently in z/OS 1.7 and every time we switch SMF, we still can't
get the latest SMF data, still about 15 minutes delay.

Regards,
Jason

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Re: ACF2 and PADS equivalent LIB rule?

2007-12-21 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)

It shouldn't AFAIK.   Is the update being allowed regardless or not 
being allowed at all?  If not at all, have you run a violation report?

Have you tried using the rule test facility?  You can also do a
SECTRACE.  

The update is not allowed since there is another rule (pure DSN rule?)
which allows them only read access. Lack of the PADS-rule (what does 
ACF2 call this after all?) the DSN rule is limiting the access. When
the load library is in PDS format, the PADS-rule is allowing the
update despite the DSN rule.


I don't know where you are and where you get support if you call CA, 
but in my experience over the years (including recently - I still 
support one small LPAR running ACF2) is that their support is top 
notch and they are always willing to help with even simple how to 
questions.

I'm not in the systems programming group so I cannot directly
contact CA. Today the ACF2 expert is not in the office and the
other colleagues didn't seem to know the LIB rule very good.
Unfortunately, I do not have access to ACF2 manuals, so I cannot
RTFM.

I was just curious to find out if this problem could be related
to PDS vs. PDSE and if so how. I opened a ticket with our internal
support team and we converted the library back to PDS until we
know more.

Thanks for the help.

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Re: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:51:14 -0500, Anne  Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

there is also some gimick on how much is paid, it is currently 15.3% ...
but for standard salary workers ... the company has to pay half of it
over and above the salary ... and then there is the other half deducted
from the salary.

Either way, it's part of the cost of hiring an employee.   Pretending
that I only paid half of what is deducted from my cost is pure
politics.

As is deciding whether to count Social Security payments against the
general deficit or not.Either way, the money is taxed and spent
now.   

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Re: ACF2 and PADS equivalent LIB rule?

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:39:32 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The update is not allowed since there is another rule (pure DSN rule?)
which allows them only read access. Lack of the PADS-rule (what does
ACF2 call this after all?) 

snip

Program pathing. 

the DSN rule is limiting the access. When
the load library is in PDS format, the PADS-rule is allowing the
update despite the DSN rule.


The rule should be in the same rule set (PDS member if you decompile
it into a PDS and / or store them there).   Order is important... sort of.
The ACF2 rule compiler will order the rule set a certain way... it may not
be the way you coded it.  A decompile of the rule is the best way to 
tell.   The fine manual (admin guide) documents how the rules are 
sorted / selected.  


I don't know where you are and where you get support if you call CA,
but in my experience over the years (including recently - I still
support one small LPAR running ACF2) is that their support is top
notch and they are always willing to help with even simple how to
questions.

I'm not in the systems programming group

I always thought you were a sysprog from reading posts from you
on IBM-MAIN.  :-)

 so I cannot directly
contact CA. Today the ACF2 expert is not in the office and the
other colleagues didn't seem to know the LIB rule very good.

Well... for my team, that is not a good excuse.  Anyone can pick
up the phone and call the vendor.

Unfortunately, I do not have access to ACF2 manuals, so I cannot
RTFM.


Understand.  But again... the support group should be able to download
manuals from the CA web site.

I was just curious to find out if this problem could be related
to PDS vs. PDSE and if so how. I opened a ticket with our internal
support team and we converted the library back to PDS until we
know more.


This could be a bug I guess... but I did a quick search of CA's web site
and did not find anything.   You haven't stated what ACF2 version you
are running (is it the new 12.0?) or what OS version if you know that
information.  But I searched for several ACF2 releases.

Thanks for the help.

You're welcome.  

Cheers and have a happy insert holiday!

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Re: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting

2007-12-21 Thread Rick Fochtman


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And the money I've paid into Social Security all my life will be returned in my 
retirement with interest !


I'm so sure that will happen that I've already started to spend it.
 


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Re: Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Kelman, Tom

Ok, I have two comments/questions.

First, from what I see the link points to an ISPF replacement.  That
might have helped a few years ago, but now most developers are not doing
their work on ISPF.  They're using tools on Windows or Unix.  I know
that we're mainframe bigots, but that's just the way it is today.

Second, how do you measure developer productivity?  Our CIO goes around
to each team's group meeting once a year just to keep in touch with us
grunts. Some good discussion does come out of it.  He just visited my
team's meeting and one of the topics that came up was how to measure the
productivity of IT people, especially developers.  We talked about how
in manufacturing you can measure the quantity of widgets produced, but
what do you measure in the IT developer world?  Counting the lines of
code produced has been tried and most companies received what you might
expect - a lot of lines of inefficient, error prone code.  So then you
take lines of code produced and put in a penalty for errors.  What kind
of formula do you use?  If anyone has worked in a company that has
successfully measured developer productivity I'd be interested in how
they did the measurement.

Tom Kelman
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generally
 favor looking first at application developer productivity, because
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 where you'll find significant IT cost. That's also where business
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Re: IBM Beacon Award (for Business Partners) Nominations Now Open

2007-12-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld

Something tells me that IBM wouldn't approve too highly of those choices.  You 
should go through the formal process, whatever that is, and recommend them 
though.

Eric Bielefeld

 Thompson wrote: 
 
 I propose either T3 or PSI.
 
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Re: OT: tinyurl [was 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting]

On 21 Dec 2007 07:52:12 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote:

http://makeashorterlink.com/ says this now:

Make A Shorter Link has been acquired by TinyURL.com

TinyURL is committed to making sure that the short links made via Make a
Shorter Link, TinyURL, and similar services remain active indefinitely,
so we have acquired Make a Shorter Link (MASL). We will continue to
maintain the URLs in the MASL database to ensure they continue to work.

Interesting.   Buying out a competitor in a business of giving away
something for free which we use without seeing any ads.

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Re: z/OS V1R9 Migration Checker for z/OS Tool Now Available!

2007-12-21 Thread Daniel McLaughlin

Downloaded yesterday, uploaded and ran today. Great tool.

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Re: Flushing SMF Records from Buffer

2007-12-21 Thread Logan, David

I am not close to a manual ATM, but is there an exit that gets control for each 
record written?

It is possible the original asker would want to utilize one if one were 
available.

David Logan

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 Subject: Flushing SMF Records from Buffer
 
 
 Is there a way to flush SMF records from buffer to immediately write  
 to DASD? Currently, we have to wait for 15-30 mins before we can  
 access the SMF records. I knew that we can access SMF type 
 70-79 using  
 RMF JCL and produce reports from the bufferspace, however for 
 CICS and  
 DB2, we can't do that. We need this requirement to 
 immediately access  
 the SMF records for problem determination.
 
 Btw, can we use REXX to access the bufferspace? TIA.
 
 Regards,
 Jason

The only way that I am sure of is via the HALT EOD command. But it does
many other bad things as well as flushing SMF data.

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Re: Developer productivity

If anyone has worked in a company that has
successfully measured developer productivity I'd be interested in how they did 
the measurement.

I don't know how successful it was, but years ago we used function points.
Rather than counting lines of code, we would count new functionality (or 
modified function).

In OOP, I think it would be the equivalent of delivering a new object and/or 
method.

But, how do you measure the productivity of maintenance programmers?

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Re: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting

2007-12-21 Thread Rick Fochtman


--snip---


It's a tax.   The nature of taxes is that we may or may not good value
from the tax.   It is designed to get money to old or infirmed from
current taxes.   
 


-unsnip--
Piece of trivia here: We've had more than 100 new taxes imposed on us 
since 1900. What happened in that time? GOVERNMENT HAPPENED!!!


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Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-21 Thread Matthew Stitt

BSC NJE is needed if you are communicating with a system which does not
support (or is not configured) SNA NJE.  I currently have one with a VM RSCS
system.   :-( 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:53:49 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Skip Robinson wrote:
 Just to clarify: if GRS is part of a basic sysplex, it uses the same
 PATHIN/PATHOUT CTCs that XCF uses. SCTC or FCTC is required.

With GRS ring directly over CTC (not XCF) you can have GRSplex 
sysplex. In other words you can have out-of-sysplex systems in GRSplex.
Or multiple sysplexes. If you really want it then you need BCTC = ESCON
only.

Disclaimer: I have never said that GRS configuration as above is good idea.


 Is there still a reason for JES2 BSC NJE?
IMHO only tradition .

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Re: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting

Piece of trivia here: We've had more than 100 new taxes imposed on us since 
1900. What happened in that time? GOVERNMENT HAPPENED!!!

Come to Canada.
There are few countries taxed as heavily as we are.
Great Britain is one of them.

Even our cities are allowed to impose additional taxes.

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Re: It keeps getting uglier

2007-12-21 Thread Rick Fochtman


snip


Why not?
Intellectual property is what keeps a technology company running.
I'm more surprised, as others have said, that people are 
astonished/annoyed/upset that IBM is keeping secrets, than the fact that IBM 
has secrets.

Any large company has trade secrets.
 


unsnip-
Now that Big Blue is pretty much alone in the mainframe processor 
market, I'd like to see them release information on what exists today. 
With the caveat that any new competition that enters the market would 
trigger a renewed round of privacy for any future improvements. Rather 
like establishing and publishing a checkpoint.


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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Roach, Dennis

I do not know how to turn them off, but in settings you can turn off the 
ability to tab to them.

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I've got something that is bugging me since I started here at Aviva.  How do I 
get rid of the Action Bar menus at the top of every ISPF screen?  I know I've
done that before, but I can't think of the command.  You would think it would 
be in the settings panel, but I don't see it there.
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Re: It keeps getting uglier

I'd like to see them release information on what exists today. 

In Canada, at least, once you release trade secrets, or intellectual property, 
to the public domain, you cannot 're-protect' it.
In any litigation, you have to prove that you did due diligence to keep secrets.
I think the same applies to any patents you hold.

So, as much as you would like to see it, don't expect it.

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ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld

I've got something that is bugging me since I started here at Aviva.  How do I 
get rid of the Action Bar menus at the top of every ISPF screen?  I know I've 
done that before, but I can't think of the command.  You would think it would 
be in the settings panel, but I don't see it there.
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Re: ACF2 and PADS equivalent LIB rule?

2007-12-21 Thread Pinnacle

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It shouldn't AFAIK.   Is the update being allowed regardless or not 

being allowed at all?  If not at all, have you run a violation report?

Have you tried using the rule test facility?  You can also do a
SECTRACE.  

The update is not allowed since there is another rule (pure DSN rule?)
which allows them only read access. Lack of the PADS-rule (what does 
ACF2 call this after all?) 

Program pathing.

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Re: Analyzing zIIP engines at z/OS v1.6 and DB2 v7

2007-12-21 Thread Brian Peterson

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:14:05 -0600, Kelman, Tom wrote:

This has been cross posted to the MXG Listserv.

I have been following the recent thread about doing an analysis for zIIP
engines.  However the suggestions in that thread used the ZIEUNITS
variable in the TYPE72GO observations.  It is my understanding that to
get that value you need to have DB2 v8 installed.  I also heard that you
need z/OS v1.8 or above installed, but I'm not sure of that.  I have
also searched the listserv archives and from what I see all the
information on this assumes  z/OS v1.8 and DB2 v8.

We are on z/OS v1.6 and DB2 v7 with plans to go to z/OS v1.9 and DB2 v8
next year.  We are also interested in the possibility of adding a zIIP
engine.  I have been asked to analyze if a zIIP engine would be cost
effective for us.  Does anyone know how to do that at these version
levels?

Tom Kelman


IBM has lots of resources to help you with your zIIP analysis.  The best 
summary is:

http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS2841

and a quick search of TechDocs shows several other documents relating to 
zIIP sizing and opportunities for exploitation:

http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebDocs/?
SearchQuery=[HTMLDocumentName=WM*]+AND+(ziip)
Start=1Count=50SearchOrder=1SearchMax=1

The above long URL was the result of going to the Techdocs site

http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/Web/Techdocs

and simply putting ziip in the search field.

Brian

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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread McKown, John

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 I've got something that is bugging me since I started here at 
 Aviva.  How do I get rid of the Action Bar menus at the top 
 of every ISPF screen?  I know I've done that before, but I 
 can't think of the command.  You would think it would be in 
 the settings panel, but I don't see it there.
 --
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I don't know how to get rid of them easily. In ISPF Settings, I have
deselected the options Tab to action bar choices and Tab to
point-and-shoot fields. The stuff is still there, taking up screen real
estate, but the HOME and TAB keys will ignore them.

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SV: Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Thomas Berg

I would prefer to measure developers by inverting the cost of maintenance.

I don't want maintenance programmers to be productive, I want them to 
be whithout anything to do !  ;)

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 Ämne: Re: Developer productivity
 
 If anyone has worked in a company that has
 successfully measured developer productivity I'd be 
 interested in how they did the measurement.
 
 I don't know how successful it was, but years ago we used 
 function points.
 Rather than counting lines of code, we would count new 
 functionality (or modified function).
 
 In OOP, I think it would be the equivalent of delivering a 
 new object and/or method.
 
 But, how do you measure the productivity of maintenance programmers?
 
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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread e'Silva, Joaquim J

Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF! 

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I've got something that is bugging me since I started here at Aviva.  How do I 
get rid of the Action Bar menus at the top of every ISPF screen?  I know I've 
done that before, but I can't think of the command.  You would think it would 
be in the settings panel, but I don't see it there.
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Re: Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Don Leahy

On Dec 21, 2007 11:06 AM, Kelman, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Ok, I have two comments/questions.

 First, from what I see the link points to an ISPF replacement.  That
 might have helped a few years ago, but now most developers are not doing
 their work on ISPF.  They're using tools on Windows or Unix.  I know
 that we're mainframe bigots, but that's just the way it is today.



I use the product that Dave Salt was referring to (SimpList), and it is
*not* a replacement for ISPF.   It is a productivity tool that enables
programmers to use ISPF much more efficiently.

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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Imbriale, Donald

To remove them from View and Edit, go into edit, then issue command
EDITSET.  For other panels, they would need to be rebuilt without the
action bars.

Don Imbriale

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I've got something that is bugging me since I started here at Aviva.
How do I get rid of the Action Bar menus at the top of every ISPF
screen?  I know I've done that before, but I can't think of the command.
You would think it would be in the settings panel, but I don't see it
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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Lizette Koehler

Try the 
ISP.SISPEXEC data set.

Lizette

What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?


Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF! 


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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Richards, Robert B.

SYS1.ISP.SISPEXEC

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What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:07:50 -0800, Edward Jaffe
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The list participants, using email clients that break long URLs,
should upgrade to a newer version of their client or, in the absence of
a newer client with acceptable functionality, change to an email client
without this problem. (Most of them are free!)


Unfortunately one of the things that breaks long URLs is posting from the
web interface... which is how I monitor and post to this list from the office.

While typing text into the window wraps at the end of the window, pasting a
long URL into the window seems to work at least sometimes.  This paragraph
is being typed without hitting enter prior to reaching the end (like I
normally do) and I pasted in the long URL below.   We'll see how it comes
out.  I think it will be okay since it gave me a scroll bar to scroll right
after I did the paste of the URL.   BTW, I am using firefox at the moment.

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175

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Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

I've done some experimentation -- without claim that it has been 100% 
exhaustive -- using my email client (Thunderbird) and I find there are 
no problems with long URLs being wrapped, even in plain text messages!


I have seen others successfully posting very long URLs to IBM-MAIN as 
well. For example:


http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0711L=ibm-mainP=R2151I=1X=-
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0710L=ibm-mainP=R38347I=1X=-
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0712L=ibm-mainP=R2I=1X=-

These long URLs -- fully maintained as such in the LISTSERV archives -- 
appear in my email client starting at the left edge of the window with 
the right-most portion of the URL extending beyond the right edge of the 
window as necessary, requiring scroll bar movement only if one desires 
to actually inspect the entire URL.


Clicking on a long URL, in an email received from the LISTSERV or 
directly from an individual, starts my browser (Firefox) and positions 
me to the intended web page as expected.


Based on this research, I don't believe there is an issue here. Long 
URLs are fully supported in plain text messages by both email clients 
and by the LISTSERV. There is no need for so-called tiny URLs.


The list participants, using email clients that break long URLs, 
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a newer client with acceptable functionality, change to an email client 
without this problem. (Most of them are free!)


If we're lucky, the resultant upgrades will also solve some of the 
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Re: Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil


Ted MacNEIL wrote:

I don't know how successful it was, but years ago we used function points.
Rather than counting lines of code, we would count new functionality (or 
modified function).


Last millennium I was a contractor at a government agency that 
used function points to evaluate programs and coders. In the 
most extreme case, I had a program that performed twelve 
distinct, but logically related functions, based on a PARM 
value. It was scored accordingly, whereas I did perhaps 10-20 
percent more work than on a simple program; only the testing was 
more elaborate.


In forty-odd years, I have yet to see a meaningful, reliable 
metric. From the business aspect, the only thing that matters is 
that when something is needed, it can be finished in time. A 
corollary of this is that management should make provision for 
goofing off; programmers who have time to experiment tend to be 
more productive. I first ran into this when my service bureau 
employer acquired 2260s for a customer, and we got to play 
around with them. By the time we were comfortable with them, the 
company used our experience to win a government contract to 
convert a batch package to interactive 2260 use. Perhaps my 
favorite example is the computer operator who wrote a football 
program, and eventually wound up as an IBM manager.


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Lindy Mayfield

What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?


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Sent: Fri 12/21/2007 6:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus
 
Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF! 

Regards

Joaquim e Silva
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Re: ISPCCONF, was Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread e'Silva, Joaquim J

Yep, excellent presentation, IMO.

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-Original Message-
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 What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Fri 12/21/2007 6:25 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

 Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF!


If anyone doesn't know ISPCCONF, be sure to grab my Configuring ISPF for
Fun 
and Profit presentation at my web site.

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


Ed Gould wrote:
Ed, I agree with your entry. I am puzzled though. I believe the last 
time we went through this discussion that if the sender puts the  
(beginning and a  at the end everything should work. Was that not 
true or only in some cases?

I thought I had followed that advice when I posted the long URL.
My apologies to the group if I did not. I did go into my sent email 
box and the left and right  signs were there (when it left here).


With an email client that understands hwo to properly handle URLs, no 
extra effort is required. You simply post in the URL -- whether long or 
short -- and it is not wrapped. For example, this should (hopefully) not 
wrap:


http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid80_gci1280330,00.html?track=NL-576ad=611332asrc=EM_NLT_2483474uid=279318

Manually adding extraneous characters before and after a URL might 
confuse even the smartest email client.


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ISPCCONF, was Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Pinnacle

- Original Message - 
From: Lindy Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:25 PM
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What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?


-Original Message-
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Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF!



If anyone doesn't know ISPCCONF, be sure to grab my Configuring ISPF for Fun 
and Profit presentation at my web site.


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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld

Don,

Thanks.  That got rid of the action bars from Edit, but I thought there was a 
way to get rid of them from all ISPF panels.  I certainly don't want to do it 
in ISRCONFG, as I only want to get rid of them for my session.  

I could have swore I put a note in my SCRIPT.TEXT file long ago when I turned 
Action Bars off, but I couldn't fine the note.  Maybe I'm just dreaming this, 
and you never could turn them off.  Oh for a better memory!

If anyone remembers how to do this, let me know!

Eric Bielefeld

 Imbriale wrote: 
 To remove them from View and Edit, go into edit, then issue command
 EDITSET.  For other panels, they would need to be rebuilt without the
 action bars.
 
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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread e'Silva, Joaquim J

In  ISP.SISPEXEC, It has a lot of useful information settings in the
configurator and allows us to build a usermod at the end

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What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?


-Original Message-
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Sent: Fri 12/21/2007 6:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus
 
Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF! 

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:

I've done some experimentation -- without claim that it has been  
100% exhaustive -- using my email client (Thunderbird) and I find  
there are no problems with long URLs being wrapped, even in plain  
text messages!


I have seen others successfully posting very long URLs to IBM-MAIN  
as well. For example:


http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0711L=ibm-mainP=R2151I=1X=-
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0710L=ibm-mainP=R38347I=1X=-
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0712L=ibm-mainP=R2I=1X=-

These long URLs -- fully maintained as such in the LISTSERV  
archives -- appear in my email client starting at the left edge of  
the window with the right-most portion of the URL extending beyond  
the right edge of the window as necessary, requiring scroll bar  
movement only if one desires to actually inspect the entire URL.


Clicking on a long URL, in an email received from the LISTSERV or  
directly from an individual, starts my browser (Firefox) and  
positions me to the intended web page as expected.


Based on this research, I don't believe there is an issue here.  
Long URLs are fully supported in plain text messages by both email  
clients and by the LISTSERV. There is no need for so-called tiny  
URLs.


The list participants, using email clients that break long URLs,  
should upgrade to a newer version of their client or, in the  
absence of a newer client with acceptable functionality, change to  
an email client without this problem. (Most of them are free!)


If we're lucky, the resultant upgrades will also solve some of the  
nagging issues with people stubbornly using email clients on this  
list that don't properly support RFC 2646 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/ 
rfc2646.txt) for quoting posts.


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Ed, I agree with your entry. I am puzzled though. I believe the last  
time we went through this discussion that if the sender puts the  
 (beginning and a  at the end everything should work. Was that  
not true or only in some cases?

I thought I had followed that advice when I posted the long URL.
My apologies to the group if I did not. I did go into my sent email  
box and the left and right  signs were there (when it left here).

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

2007-12-21 Thread Chase, John

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
 
 Mark Zelden wrote:
  Unfortunately one of the things that breaks long URLs is 
 posting from 
  the web interface... which is how I monitor and post to 
 this list from the office.
 
  While typing text into the window wraps at the end of the window, 
  pasting a long URL into the window seems to work at least 
 sometimes.  
  This paragraph is being typed without hitting enter prior 
 to reaching the end (like I
  normally do) and I pasted in the long URL below.   We'll 
 see how it comes
  out.  I think it will be okay since it gave me a scroll bar 
 to scroll right
  after I did the paste of the URL.   BTW, I am using firefox 
 at the moment.
 
  
 http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=
  caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175

 
 In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly 
 in-tact. No wrap. 
 I clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web page. I 
 don't know what will happen to it now that I'm quoting it. 
 Guess we'll find out ...

I was busted when I got it.  Of course, Outhouse mangled it further

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


Edward Jaffe wrote:

Mark Zelden wrote:


http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175 

  


In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly in-tact. No 
wrap. I clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web page. I don't 
know what will happen to it now that I'm quoting it. Guess we'll find 
out ...


The quoted long URL was also perfectly in-tact. Now, I'm quoting the 
quote. Don't worry, I'll stop here. That's enough proof for me! :-)


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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


Mark Zelden wrote:

Unfortunately one of the things that breaks long URLs is posting from the
web interface... which is how I monitor and post to this list from the office.

While typing text into the window wraps at the end of the window, pasting a
long URL into the window seems to work at least sometimes.  This paragraph
is being typed without hitting enter prior to reaching the end (like I
normally do) and I pasted in the long URL below.   We'll see how it comes
out.  I think it will be okay since it gave me a scroll bar to scroll right
after I did the paste of the URL.   BTW, I am using firefox at the moment.

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175
  


In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly in-tact. No wrap. 
I clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web page. I don't know 
what will happen to it now that I'm quoting it. Guess we'll find out ...


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Re: It keeps getting uglier


On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:


snip


Why not?
Intellectual property is what keeps a technology company running.
I'm more surprised, as others have said, that people are  
astonished/annoyed/upset that IBM is keeping secrets, than the  
fact that IBM has secrets.


Any large company has trade secrets.


unsnip-
Now that Big Blue is pretty much alone in the mainframe processor  
market, I'd like to see them release information on what exists  
today. With the caveat that any new competition that enters the  
market would trigger a renewed round of privacy for any future  
improvements. Rather like establishing and publishing a checkpoint.




Rick,

Interesting option there. I briefly browsed through Phil's online  
copy of the suit. One of the facts IBM alleges (IIRC ) or was that  
PSI (it was a long read)  but one of the parties said that IBM made  
this public at one time and now can't complain someone used this  
information. I think I am saying that correctly. So if they win  
(PSI), IBM would *NEVER* say another word again as it might be  
construed as public information. I think that it would mean the POPS  
would evaporate overnight.


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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

2007-12-21 Thread Michael Stack

FWIW, Eudora handles all this just fine.

Michael Stack

At 01:11 PM 12/21/2007, you wrote:
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Mark Zelden wrote:

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175
 
  

In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly in-tact. No wrap. I 
clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web page. I don't know what will 
happen to it now that I'm quoting it. Guess we'll find out ...

The quoted long URL was also perfectly in-tact. Now, I'm quoting the quote. 
Don't worry, I'll stop here. That's enough proof for me! :-)

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:11:13 -0800, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Edward Jaffe wrote:
 Mark Zelden wrote:


http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175



 In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly in-tact. No
 wrap. I clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web page. I don't
 know what will happen to it now that I'm quoting it. Guess we'll find
 out ...

The quoted long URL was also perfectly in-tact. Now, I'm quoting the
quote. Don't worry, I'll stop here. That's enough proof for me! :-)

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why when I just type into the input window I can't extend the line further
without it automatically wrapping.  

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Re: Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Dave Salt

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I have two comments/questions. First, from what 
 I see the link points to an ISPF replacement. 
 
SimpList isn't an ISPF replacement but rather an add-on product that increases 
productivity for people who works in ISPF environments. Think of it as 
something like ISPF option 3.4 but with many enhancements.
 
 That might have helped a few years ago, but now most developers are not 
 doing their work on ISPF. They're using tools on Windows or Unix. I know 
 that we're mainframe bigots, but that's just the way it is today.
 
It's true that many developers are using Windows and Linux, especially if 
they're developing applications for those environments. But there are thousands 
upon thousands of mainframe developers who spend a large part of every day 
using ISPF. Anything that can be done to improve their productivity goes 
straight to the bottom line.
 
 Second, how do you measure developer productivity? 
 
Some people have mentioned counting lines of code or functions points, but IMO 
that's only part of the picture. For example, SimpList increases the 
productivity of almost everyone who works in an ISPF environment including 
developers, systems programmers, analysts, DBA's, help desk/support people, 
business users, and so on. These people might spend a large part of their day 
in ISPF but aren't necessarily writing programs. So, simply counting lines of 
code or function points isn't necessarily a true measure of how someones 
productivity has increased.
 
To justify a business case for licensing SimpList, one company counted the 
number of times certain tasks were performed each day (e.g. editing data sets, 
printing reports, browsing DB2 tables, submitting batch jobs, etc). Then they 
timed how long it took to perform each task, and from this were able to 
determine an average SimpList user saves about 2.5 hours a week (or slightly 
more than 3 weeks a year). If each developer is paid a thousand dollars a week, 
that's more than 3 thousand dollars a year in savings. For 100 developers, 
that's over $300,000 a year. These are real savings, as the company can do the 
same amount of work with fewer people or do more work without hiring new people.
 
Measuring the time it takes to perform various tasks made it obvious to the 
company that SimpList was well worth the annual licensing cost of $5,000. But 
this didn't even begin to take into consideration many other benefits; e.g. one 
company was able to reduce their ISPF training course from 5 days to 3 days; 
another company decided to drop their mainframe migration plans; another 
company found they were able to attract and keep more people (etc).
 
Any SimpList user knows instinctively their productivity has improved without 
needing to measure it. But it's easy enough to see for yourself as it only 
takes about 30 minutes to install. Hey, it's Christmas; why not treat yourself? 
:-)  
 
Happy holidays!  
 
Dave Salt
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  application developer productivity, because that's  where you'll find 
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  developers can deliver quicker and with higher  quality. I get very 
  concerned with organizations where this software  line in the developer 
  productivity area hasn't moved in 20+ yearsad  I couldn't have 
  said it better myself! Anyone that's interested in  improving developer 
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Re: It keeps getting uglier

2007-12-21 Thread Thompson, Steve

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ed Gould
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier

SNIPAGE
 Now that Big Blue is pretty much alone in the mainframe processor 
 market, I'd like to see them release information on what exists today.

 With the caveat that any new competition that enters the market would 
 trigger a renewed round of privacy for any future improvements. Rather

 like establishing and publishing a checkpoint.

Rick,

Interesting option there. I briefly browsed through Phil's online copy
of the suit. One of the facts IBM alleges (IIRC ) or was that PSI (it
was a long read)  but one of the parties said that IBM made this public
at one time and now can't complain someone used this information. I
think I am saying that correctly. So if they win (PSI), IBM would
*NEVER* say another word again as it might be construed as public
information. I think that it would mean the POPS would evaporate
overnight.
SNIP

Well, I think this was in reference to certain things that IBM wants to
say are confidential today that they did not treat as confidential in
prior years. The generally available, you didn't have to have IBM
hardware to order it, PoOp was NEVER confidential. To demonstrate this,
how many students at college that taught S/370 Assembly Language were
able to buy the PoOp from their book store (or the Ref Summary). I know
I did for S/360. And there was no little NDA that had to be signed
before taking possession.

The other side of things is, IBM can not claim Trade Secret for things
they disclosed in a Patent application. And IBM knows that they better
file for patents to keep from having someone else file for a patent,
have a priority date ahead of them, and have to pay royalties for their
Trade Secret stuff once it is found they are violating a patent.

But, since I am not an IP attorney (for that matter, I have no formal
legal training or have I taken the bar -- I've only sat at one here and
there), you may find that I have not correctly stated some of the
problems here.

Just my Friday ramblings and observations.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

2007-12-21 Thread J R

 The quoted long URL was also perfectly in-tact. 
 
Yes, I received everything in one piece also.  
 
The only thing that didn't arrive intact was the word intact.  ;-)  
 
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:11:13 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 
 Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary? To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU  Edward Jaffe 
 wrote:  Mark Zelden wrote:   
 http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175
In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly 
 in-tact. No   wrap. I clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web 
 page. I don't   know what will happen to it now that I'm quoting it. Guess 
 we'll find   out ...  The quoted long URL was also perfectly in-tact. 
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Re: It keeps getting uglier


Phil,

Thank you so much for posting the document. It was a long read but,  
IMO worth the time to do so.


Ed

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Re: Problem fetching a program object (CSV031I)


On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Relson wrote:


The conclusions in this thread are correct.

Internal structures keep data for validation. If you update the  
program
object in any way other than by using supported interfaces, the  
entire risk
is yours. In the case mentioned, you broke the program object by  
changing
the program object data without having the system update the  
validation

data.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design



Peter:

Thank for the info. Was this done for a reason, if so could you  
explain (a little no specifics are requested).


Ed

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Re: It keeps getting uglier

On 21 Dec 2007 11:41:16 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould)
wrote:

Interesting option there. I briefly browsed through Phil's online  
copy of the suit. One of the facts IBM alleges (IIRC ) or was that  
PSI (it was a long read)  but one of the parties said that IBM made  
this public at one time and now can't complain someone used this  
information. I think I am saying that correctly. So if they win  
(PSI), IBM would *NEVER* say another word again as it might be  
construed as public information. I think that it would mean the POPS  
would evaporate overnight.

With the amount of laws there are these days, we can see almost daily
in Fark or the local paper where the law is an ass.I read
somewhere that Rockefeller Center closes its roads one day per year -
to keep them from turning public.

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Re: Multiple Subchannel Set Usage

2007-12-21 Thread Tom Moulder

Yes.

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Are you on at least z/OS v1.7? If not, subchannel set 1 will not be
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 Tom,

Can you also check the gen to see if it the alias devices are defined to
the active OS Configuration?

Thanks,
Steve

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Oops, I did a finger check on the reply.  Below I said the aliases were
3390b and I meant 3390a, the base addresses are 3390b.

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Re: Developer productivity

 Second, how do you measure developer productivity? 
 
Some people have mentioned counting lines of code or functions points, but IMO 
that's only part of the picture. For example, SimpList increases the 
productivity of almost everyone who works in an ISPF environment 

You changed the question.
It was: How do you measure developer productivity?
You expanded it to include everybody and made it a sales pitch.
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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

2007-12-21 Thread Eric Chevalier

On 21 Dec 2007 11:03:47 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote:

With an email client that understands hwo to properly handle URLs, no
extra effort is required. You simply post in the URL -- whether long or
short -- and it is not wrapped. For example, this should (hopefully) not
wrap:

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid80_gci1280330,00.html?track=NL-576ad=611332asrc=EM_NLT_2483474uid=279318

I use Forte Agent version 4.2, and it had no problems with your URL.

However, Agent does _not_ seem to handle the wrapped URL in Ed G's
message:

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/general/
0,295582,sid80_gci1286765,00.html?
track=NL-576ad=617990asrc=EM_NLN_2777580uid=6570353

that triggered my response.

After a little digging, I noticed that Ed G's message contained the
header:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

The first two text lines containing the URL contain trailing blanks,
the third line does not. So Ed G's message does appear to be properly
formatted for RFC 3676, Content-Type text/plain, delsp=yes and
format=flowed. Any newsreader/e-mail client that correctly supports
RFC 3676 should remove the trailing blanks and concatenate all three
lines into one.

Clicking on that wrapped URL in Agent, Thunderbird tried to go to the
URL:

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/general/0,295582,sid80,00.html

So, it looks like Agent did process the wrapped lines more or less
correctly, but then decided to stop parsing the URL after the .html
text. I guess that might be considered a bug in Agent, but I'm not
sure there's an RFC defining how e-mail clients should interpret a
character string that might be a URL. Obviously, http://; is a pretty
good clue to the start of the URL. I guess Agent took a bit of a
shortcut when trying to determine the end of the link.

After reading all of the responses to my initial note, I've come to
feel that putting both the full URL and a tinyurl link in a message is
a reasonable compromise. Yes, I understand that tinyurl links do have
some security exposures, but in a small community like IBM-Main, I'm
willing to be pretty trusting.

After all, whatever one might think of Ed G's technical contributions
to this group, or his opinions of IBM, I don't believe he is at all
malicious!

Eric

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Re: Analyzing zIIP engines at z/OS v1.6 and DB2 v7

2007-12-21 Thread Kelman, Tom

Thanks Brian.  Since I'm going to be one of the few people at work on
Monday :-( I should have a nice quiet day to peruse this information and
apply it.

Tom Kelman
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 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Peterson
 Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:27 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Analyzing zIIP engines at z/OS v1.6 and DB2 v7
 
 On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:14:05 -0600, Kelman, Tom wrote:
 
 This has been cross posted to the MXG Listserv.
 
 I have been following the recent thread about doing an analysis for
zIIP
 engines.  However the suggestions in that thread used the ZIEUNITS
 variable in the TYPE72GO observations.  It is my understanding that
to
 get that value you need to have DB2 v8 installed.  I also heard that
you
 need z/OS v1.8 or above installed, but I'm not sure of that.  I have
 also searched the listserv archives and from what I see all the
 information on this assumes  z/OS v1.8 and DB2 v8.
 
 We are on z/OS v1.6 and DB2 v7 with plans to go to z/OS v1.9 and DB2
v8
 next year.  We are also interested in the possibility of adding a
zIIP
 engine.  I have been asked to analyze if a zIIP engine would be cost
 effective for us.  Does anyone know how to do that at these version
 levels?
 
 Tom Kelman
 
 
 IBM has lots of resources to help you with your zIIP analysis.  The
best
 summary is:
 
 http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS2841
 
 and a quick search of TechDocs shows several other documents relating
to
 zIIP sizing and opportunities for exploitation:
 
 http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebDocs/?
 SearchQuery=[HTMLDocumentName=WM*]+AND+(ziip)
 Start=1Count=50SearchOrder=1SearchMax=1
 
 The above long URL was the result of going to the Techdocs site
 
 http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/Web/Techdocs
 
 and simply putting ziip in the search field.
 
 Brian
 
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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


Chase, John wrote:

I was busted when I got it.  Of course, Outhouse mangled it further
  


The IBM-MAIN archives, and Mark Zelden, using the LISTSERV web 
interface, and Mike Stack, using X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora 
Version 7.1.0.9, and J R, using whatever mail agent he is using, and I, 
using User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031), all report 
the long URL being preserved in the post.


Therefore, the breakage/wrap must have occurred at your end.

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Re: Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Don Leahy

On Dec 21, 2007 3:51 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Second, how do you measure developer productivity?

 Some people have mentioned counting lines of code or functions points,
 but IMO that's only part of the picture. For example, SimpList increases the
 productivity of almost everyone who works in an ISPF environment

 You changed the question.
 It was: How do you measure developer productivity?
 You expanded it to include everybody and made it a sales pitch.
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True, but some of the most time-consuming tasks that a developer has to do
have nothing to do with writing lines of code.  Any tool that helps a
developer manage the myriads of data sets, DB2 tables etc required in a
complex test environment, provides a major time savings.  The developer can
use this time to perform more test cycles, which should result in a better
product.

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

2007-12-21 Thread Roland Schiradin

Ed, the IBM-Main web reader works also just fine. 

Roland

Edward Jaffe wrote:
 Mark Zelden wrote:

 http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?
infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175



 In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly in-tact. No
 wrap. I clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web page. I don't
 know what will happen to it now that I'm quoting it. Guess we'll find
 out ...

The quoted long URL was also perfectly in-tact. Now, I'm quoting the
quote. Don't worry, I'll stop here. That's enough proof for me! :-)

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Re: Developer productivity

True, but some of the most time-consuming tasks that a developer has to do 
have nothing to do with writing lines of code.

I'm not disputing that.
What I am disputing is expanding the sample set to everybody who touches a TSO 
keyboard.

The question was developers.
Not all the others.


BTW, the non-code stuff has to be counted as part of the productivity equation.
Since you've hired the staff, you have to figure out your bang for the buck.

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

2007-12-21 Thread Shane

On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 10:07 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:

 The list participants, using email clients that break long URLs, 
 should upgrade to a newer version of their client or, in the absence of 
 a newer client with acceptable functionality, change to an email client 
 without this problem. (Most of them are free!)

Easy for you to say.
Business practices generally preclude slapping on software willy nilly.
Especially for non-staff.

I have more than one BAD mail-client foisted on me I can do nothing
about. At home (this account) I can accommodate almost anything.

Shane ...

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

Eric Chevalier wrote:

On 21 Dec 2007 11:03:47 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote:

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid80_gci1280330,00.html?track=NL-576ad=611332asrc=EM_NLT_2483474uid=279318

I use Forte Agent version 4.2, and it had no problems with your URL.

However, Agent does _not_ seem to handle the wrapped URL in Ed G's
message:

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/general/
0,295582,sid80_gci1286765,00.html?
track=NL-576ad=617990asrc=EM_NLN_2777580uid=6570353

that triggered my response.

I think that Eg's email client X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) is
wrapping the URL before it even gets sent. He could try various client
settings, there might be a newer version, or he could switch to using a
client, like Thunderbird, known to preserve URLs.

I question the need for TinyURLs at all! To me, it seems like an
extra-step, time-wasting workaround in an attempt -- on the part of
people with working email clients -- to mitigate issues caused by
software bugs in other people's email clients. In this thread, I've
proved that long URLs inserted by my email client work for nearly
everyone. I'd rather expect the others to upgrade/reconfigure their
software -- or just deal with their substandard email client experience
in silence -- than expend extra effort _every time I post a URL_ to
generate a more consumable version just for them.

After all, whatever one might think of Ed G's technical contributions
to this group, or his opinions of IBM, I don't believe he is at all
malicious!

Not malicious. But, he did admit to manually altering his URLs (by
surrounding them with less-than and greater-than characters??!) in an
attempt to make them not wrap. Eg needs to find a solution that works
rather than counting on one that doesn't.

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Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-21 Thread Dave Barry

Job A on system A issues static SQL query to DB2 on system B.  Which is
faster:

1) DDF call to DB2 on system B via APPC over FICON CTC 

or

2) Local call to DB2 member of datasharing group w/ FICON CF links?

Considering the overhead of DRDA protocol and independent enclave
creation/classification/scheduling, etc., I would guess option 2 is more
efficient in terms of CPU and response time.  I'm just not sure how to
determine in theory to what degree.

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Re: Developer productivity

2007-12-21 Thread Dave Salt

Don Leahy said:
 some of the most time-consuming tasks that a developer has to do have 
 nothing to do with writing lines of code.
Ted MacNeil said:
 I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is expanding the sample set to 
 everybody who touches a TSO keyboard. The question was developers. Not all 
 the others.
Everyone who touches a TSO keyboard happens to *include* developers. If the 
productivity measure the company used works equally well for developers and 
non-developers, this doesn't disqualify it from being a valid way to measure 
the productivity of developers. It might not measure specific development 
activity, but it is a way to measure developers productivity.
 
 BTW, the non-code stuff has to be counted as part of the productivity 
 equation.
Excellent, we agree! When measuring developers productivity, there's a lot more 
to it than simply counting lines of code and function points. 
 
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Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus

2007-12-21 Thread Doug Fuerst

They are defined in the panel definitions, and I don't think they can 
be deleted without redefining the panel. They are defined at specific 
places in the panel, and with specific functions. This might be a 
question for the ISPF list.


Doug



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point-and-shoot fields. The stuff is still there, taking up screen real
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Re: It keeps getting uglier

On Dec 21, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote:

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SNIPAGE

Now that Big Blue is pretty much alone in the mainframe processor
market, I'd like to see them release information on what exists  
today.

With the caveat that any new competition that enters the market would
trigger a renewed round of privacy for any future improvements.  
Rather

like establishing and publishing a checkpoint.

SNIP---

But, since I am not an IP attorney (for that matter, I have no formal
legal training or have I taken the bar -- I've only sat at one here  
and

Steve,

WHich bar is that, the one at SCIDS or the legal type?:)

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?

2007-12-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg

At 13:39 -0600 on 12/21/2007, Michael Stack wrote about Re: Use of 
TinyURLs - Unnecessary?:



FWIW, Eudora handles all this just fine.


It does NOT unfortunately correctly handle URLs that are 
intentionally split with a blank at the end of the split part and 
delsp=yes used to flag this to tell the MUA to remove the blank 
when it unwraps the URL. These UTLs end up with a blank (or %20 in 
the URL which renders it bad unless the blank/%20 is manually removed.


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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


On Dec 21, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Eric Chevalier wrote:


On 21 Dec 2007 11:03:47 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote:


With an email client that understands hwo to properly handle URLs, no
extra effort is required. You simply post in the URL -- whether  
long or
short -- and it is not wrapped. For example, this should  
(hopefully) not

wrap:

http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/ 
0,289483,sid80_gci1280330,00.html? 
track=NL-576ad=611332asrc=EM_NLT_2483474uid=279318


I use Forte Agent version 4.2, and it had no problems with your URL.

However, Agent does _not_ seem to handle the wrapped URL in Ed G's
message:


http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/general/
0,295582,sid80_gci1286765,00.html?
track=NL-576ad=617990asrc=EM_NLN_2777580uid=6570353


that triggered my response.

After a little digging, I noticed that Ed G's message contained the
header:

  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

The first two text lines containing the URL contain trailing blanks,
the third line does not. So Ed G's message does appear to be properly
formatted for RFC 3676, Content-Type text/plain, delsp=yes and
format=flowed. Any newsreader/e-mail client that correctly supports
RFC 3676 should remove the trailing blanks and concatenate all three
lines into one.

Clicking on that wrapped URL in Agent, Thunderbird tried to go to the
URL:

 http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/general/0,295582,sid80,00.html

So, it looks like Agent did process the wrapped lines more or less
correctly, but then decided to stop parsing the URL after the .html
text. I guess that might be considered a bug in Agent, but I'm not
sure there's an RFC defining how e-mail clients should interpret a
character string that might be a URL. Obviously, http://; is a pretty
good clue to the start of the URL. I guess Agent took a bit of a
shortcut when trying to determine the end of the link.

After reading all of the responses to my initial note, I've come to
feel that putting both the full URL and a tinyurl link in a message is
a reasonable compromise. Yes, I understand that tinyurl links do have
some security exposures, but in a small community like IBM-Main, I'm
willing to be pretty trusting.

---SNIP



Eric:

I am somewhat confused about the URL now. It appears to me that it is  
probably a (receiver) emailer issue rather than a sender or a server  
issue.
Since some email programs appear to be broken (BAD?). I thought this  
was discussed earlier on here and (IIRC) that by putting  before  
and after the wrapped URL the emailer program was supposed to  
unwrap the URL  correctly. This is not (apparently) true.
So we are pretty much left to asking people to cut and paste or take  
a chance being phished. Some people seem to think that if you were a  
member IBM-MAIN it shouldn't happen. I would like to think that it is  
the case, BUT take the example of Phil's badly mangled URL that he  
posted here. When I *COURTEOUSLY* sent him (privately) a note saying  
it didn't work I got back a rather curt email. So, brotherly love  
does not seem to work on here and PHISHING is very probably likely.  
The way it stands now is lets drop this subject matter and just post  
real URL's and let people cut  PASTE it into their browser of choice.


Ed

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:


E


After all, whatever one might think of Ed G's technical contributions
to this group, or his opinions of IBM, I don't believe he is at all
malicious!



Not malicious. But, he did admit to manually altering his URLs (by  
surrounding them with less-than and greater-than characters??!) in  
an attempt to make them not wrap. Eg needs to find a solution that  
works rather than counting on one that doesn't.





Ed F,

ON *HERE* (IBM-MAIN) there was a discussion that centered around this  
issue and it was supposed to work for all email programs. I am sorry  
it did not but that what was decided and the *ONLY* reason I did so.  
So we are to dumb down to the least common denominator so all email  
programs work?


Ed

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Re: Problem fetching a program object (CSV031I)


On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Relson wrote:



The conclusions in this thread are correct.

Internal structures keep data for validation. If you update the  
program
object in any way other than by using supported interfaces, the  
entire risk
is yours. In the case mentioned, you broke the program object by  
changing
the program object data without having the system update the  
validation

data.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design




Peter:

Thank for the info. Was this done for a reason, if so could you  
explain (a little no specifics are requested).


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There appears to be a server...

There appears to be a sever sending messages twice to the IBM-MAIN  
server tonight. I have gotten back at least 10 rejected postings as  
duplicates.

Is anyone else experiencing this?

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?


On Dec 21, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:


Ed Gould wrote:
Ed, I agree with your entry. I am puzzled though. I believe the  
last time we went through this discussion that if the sender puts  
the  (beginning and a  at the end everything should work.  
Was that not true or only in some cases?

I thought I had followed that advice when I posted the long URL.
My apologies to the group if I did not. I did go into my sent  
email box and the left and right  signs were there (when it  
left here).


With an email client that understands hwo to properly handle URLs,  
no extra effort is required. You simply post in the URL -- whether  
long or short -- and it is not wrapped. For example, this should  
(hopefully) not wrap:


http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/ 
0,289483,sid80_gci1280330,00.html? 
track=NL-576ad=611332asrc=EM_NLT_2483474uid=279318


Manually adding extraneous characters before and after a URL might  
confuse even the smartest email client.



Ed J:

OK I will do so from now on but will take your word as definitive. I  
will no longer put the  per your authority.


Ed

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Re: Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary?