Re: IMBED in R8

[R.S.]

Skip Robinson wrote:


Maybe I'm overly jittery, but I'm actually more concerned about user
catalogs for CICS regions. These catalogs are shared among all members of a
sysplex. If we have to take down all regions to rebuild catalogs, that is
effectively a sysplex-wide outage whether or not we IPL.


1. As others said, it doesnt necessarily mean sysplex outage. Even CICS 
regions can be recreated in new catalogs, during rolling IPL.


2. It's been some time since, IBM dropped IMBED, hasn't it ?
Didn't you have any occasion to do it, since 1999 ?
Even 99.999% availability means some outage sometimes...

BTW: How about password protection ?
I met a sysprog who complained that it doesn't work as good as in the 
old days...


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Re: INDXCISZ Utility ( was IMBED in R8)

[Porowski, Ken]

My bad ... I had both tools in a member called INDXCISZ and didn't check it 
before I replied.

Ken

-Original Message-
Craig Kittendorf

Ken,

I don't see in output from the INDXCISZ tool where IMBED and REPLICATE are
shown  although I have used the FINDIMBD tool for that purpose.

Thanks,
   Craig

-Original Message-
Porowski, Ken

Ray,

The INCXCISZ tool noted datasets with IMBED and REPLICATE as well as those
with INDXCISZ smaller than the 'new' default.



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INDXCISZ Utility ( was IMBED in R8)

[Craig Kittendorf]

Ken,

I don't see in output from the INDXCISZ tool where IMBED and REPLICATE are
shown  although I have used the FINDIMBD tool for that purpose.

Thanks,
   Craig

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Ray,

The INCXCISZ tool noted datasets with IMBED and REPLICATE as well as those
with INDXCISZ smaller than the 'new' default.



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Re: IMBED in R8

[Ron Ferguson]

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  Skip Robinson wrote
on Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:13:58 -0700

>Maybe I'm overly jittery, but I'm actually more concerned about user
>catalogs for CICS regions. These catalogs are shared among all members
>of a sysplex. If we have to take down all regions to rebuild catalogs,
>that is >effectively a sysplex-wide outage whether or not we IPL.

Yes, Skip, Mainstar's Catalog RecoveryPlus (CR+) will remove IMBED and
REPLICATE from your user catalogs  --  non-disruptively (i.e., while
open)  --  to any of the CICS or batch regions that currently have data
sets open through these catalogs.  CR+ has a REORG While-Open command
that works with any ICF catalog (except a master catalog that's
currently in use as a master catalog)  --  whether in VVDS-mode or
ECS-mode sharing, across any number of systems.  

REORG will also allow you to change any attribute of the catalog,
including release of extra extents that might exist following the reorg,
primary and secondary extent allocation sizes, CI size changes,
FREESPACE changes, and buffering values, and SMS class definitions.  

Mainstar is more than happy to provide CR+ to you on a short-term basis,
at no charge, to run this command against any catalog to remove IMBED
and/or REPLICATE, and to make any attribute changes.  Let me know
offline if this is of interest to you.

Best regards,
Ron Ferguson
Mainstar Software Corporation
President and CEO
CR+ Product Manager
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AW: IMBED in R8

[Matzke, Henning]

I have used CIM (Catalog Information Manager) for all Master- and User-Cats in 
flight in two Parallel-Sysplexes. 

Works fine.

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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:13:58 -0700, Skip Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Maybe I'm overly jittery, but I'm actually more concerned about user 
>catalogs for CICS regions. These catalogs are shared among all members 
>of a sysplex. If we have to take down all regions to rebuild catalogs, 
>that is effectively a sysplex-wide outage whether or not we IPL.
>

Not to worry.  Dino-Software's catalog product (and I think Mainstar's product 
also) claim they can remove these attributes from a catalog while it is open 
and allocated to CAS (although I'm not sure if the master catalog is a 
restriction - does anyone know, we have mainstar and have some catalogs to fix 
- including a couple of mcats).

Someone from Dino-Software had offered free use of their product to do this in 
an IBM-MAIN post earlier this year, but I think he said the offer would be 
withdrawn when z/OS 1.7 went GA.

Perhaps you have one of those two products already.

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Re: IMBED in R8

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 09/28/2005
   at 11:31 AM, Skip Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be
>usable in the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the
>supplied utility to ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this
>time and found--much to our chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs
>with that attribute. Including master catalogs! Must all of these be
>recreated? If so, we're looking at some serious sysplex-wide
>outages.

Yes. Presumably that's why IBM gave us years of notice. I take such
announcements as a call to start planning now, rather than waiting
until the deadline approaches. These things cost a lot less and cause
less disruption if you have time to do them slowly and methodically.
 
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Re: IMBED in R8

[Skip Robinson]

As I already waffled, the date/release is unspecified. Almost certainly NOT
R8.
See http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/zos_sods.html  near
the bottom of "z/OS and z/OS.e statement of direction, August 10, 2004"

As for the impact, we use parallel sysplex with rolling IPLs to maintain
more or less continuous availability. But multiple instances of a CICS
region will use the same data. I can take down regions one at a time, but
the data needs to be available to all the remaining regions. Unless we use
one of the concurrent products mentioned by others in this thread, we would
need all sharing regions down to reorg each shared catalog. In other words,
an outage--because having a running MVS without client applications is
effectively an outage.

.
.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
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IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 09/27/2005
05:00:00 PM:

> Two questions:
>
> 1. Where is this documented?
>I've been pushing for change for 6 months.
>
> 2. Why must you have a SYSPLEX outage?
>Can't you do it a piece at a time?
>
> -teD

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Re: IMBED in R8

[Larry Crilley]

Yes.  Our T-REX product can be used to remove IMBED/REPLICATE options
from catalogs while they are OPEN and allocated to CAS on any number of
connected systems with a sysplex.  Unfortunately, we do not currently
support master catalogs.  However, if a master catalog is connected as a
user catalog on another system, you could pause the system where the
catalog is a master and perform the reorg.  Still an outage, but only
one system.

Yes.  We still offer free use of our software to anyone who wants to use
it just to remove IMBED and REPLICATE from their user catalogs.  I
should also note that our REORG supports the ability to move a catalog
to a new volume while the catalog remains OPEN and allocated to CAS.  

Feel free to contact me directly for any questions.

Larry Crilley
Dino-Software, LLC
http://www.dino-software.com/
412-734-2853.




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Subject: Re: IMBED in R8

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:13:58 -0700, Skip Robinson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Maybe I'm overly jittery, but I'm actually more concerned about user
>catalogs for CICS regions. These catalogs are shared among all members
of a
>sysplex. If we have to take down all regions to rebuild catalogs, that
is
>effectively a sysplex-wide outage whether or not we IPL.
>

Not to worry.  Dino-Software's catalog product (and I think Mainstar's
product also) claim they can remove these attributes from a catalog
while it is open and allocated to CAS (although I'm not sure if the
master catalog is a restriction - does anyone know, we have mainstar
and have some catalogs to fix - including a couple of mcats).

Someone from Dino-Software had offered free use of their product
to do this in an IBM-MAIN post earlier this year, but I think he
said the offer would be withdrawn when z/OS 1.7 went GA.

Perhaps you have one of those two products already.

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Re: IMBED in R8

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:13:58 -0700, Skip Robinson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Maybe I'm overly jittery, but I'm actually more concerned about user
>catalogs for CICS regions. These catalogs are shared among all members of a
>sysplex. If we have to take down all regions to rebuild catalogs, that is
>effectively a sysplex-wide outage whether or not we IPL.
>

Not to worry.  Dino-Software's catalog product (and I think Mainstar's
product also) claim they can remove these attributes from a catalog
while it is open and allocated to CAS (although I'm not sure if the
master catalog is a restriction - does anyone know, we have mainstar
and have some catalogs to fix - including a couple of mcats).

Someone from Dino-Software had offered free use of their product
to do this in an IBM-MAIN post earlier this year, but I think he
said the offer would be withdrawn when z/OS 1.7 went GA.

Perhaps you have one of those two products already.

Mark
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Re: IMBED in R8

[Ted MacNEIL]

Two questions:

1. Where is this documented?
   I've been pushing for change for 6 months.

2. Why must you have a SYSPLEX outage?
   Can't you do it a piece at a time?

-teD

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Re: IMBED in R8

[Knutson, Sam]

I think the answer will be YES.  

You can trade money for availability by purchasing one of the handy catalog
tools that does reorganization of catalogs while open.  Two I know of are:

T-REXX
http://www.dino-software.com/

Catalog RecoveryPlus (CR+)
http://www.mainstar.com/products/cm/crplus/index.asp

Caveat is that neither can reorganize ALL catalogs while open.  We have been
able to do many but recently had one which was becoming critically full that
was simply too busy to reorganize while the Sysplex was operating normally.
We dropped down to a single system which had only a few running OEM products
and all transactional subsystem down and did a reorganization which worked.
The catalog very clearly needs to be split.   We have also elected to do the
reorganization of master catalogs while those systems were down.  I don't
recall if this was a limitation of the tool or just a choice or storage
management team made but since we started on this a while ago getting
finished before R8 doesn't look to be a problem.

Best Regards,

Sam Knutson, GEICO
Performance and Availability Management
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Of Skip Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:31 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: IMBED in R8

IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be usable in
the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the supplied utility to
ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this time and found--much to our
chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs with that attribute. Including
master catalogs! Must all of these be recreated? If so, we're looking at
some serious sysplex-wide outages.
.
.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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Re: IMBED in R8

[Skip Robinson]

Maybe I'm overly jittery, but I'm actually more concerned about user
catalogs for CICS regions. These catalogs are shared among all members of a
sysplex. If we have to take down all regions to rebuild catalogs, that is
effectively a sysplex-wide outage whether or not we IPL.

.
.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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323-715-0595 Mobile
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IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 09/28/2005
01:08:14 PM:

> We've been 'fixing' our catalogs for some time now and it has NEVER
> resulted in a sysplex-wide shut down.  Of course, if it affects a shared
> master catalog then there will be interesting work ahead for you, but
> even that shouldn't require a sysplex-wide shutdown.
>
> Don Imbriale
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> >Of Skip Robinson
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:56 PM
> >To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: IMBED in R8
> >
> >OK, I did a Ready, Fire, Aim. We got mixed up between One-byte Console
> Id,
> >which will no longer work in R8, and IMBED, which will stop working 'in
> a
> >future release'. So panic mode is suspended but not cancelled. I myself
> did
> >not realize that catalogs were affected. See II13894 for more
> information
> >on the sniffer tool.
> >
> >I repeat my concern: if catalogs will break as well as ordinary
> clusters,
> >MANY of us are looking at some very serious down. Meaning that entire
> >sysplexes will be down cold for extended periods. So not good.

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Re: IMBED in R8

[Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)]

We've been 'fixing' our catalogs for some time now and it has NEVER
resulted in a sysplex-wide shut down.  Of course, if it affects a shared
master catalog then there will be interesting work ahead for you, but
even that shouldn't require a sysplex-wide shutdown.

Don Imbriale

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>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
>Of Skip Robinson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:56 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: IMBED in R8
>
>OK, I did a Ready, Fire, Aim. We got mixed up between One-byte Console
Id,
>which will no longer work in R8, and IMBED, which will stop working 'in
a
>future release'. So panic mode is suspended but not cancelled. I myself
did
>not realize that catalogs were affected. See II13894 for more
information
>on the sniffer tool.
>
>I repeat my concern: if catalogs will break as well as ordinary
clusters,
>MANY of us are looking at some very serious down. Meaning that entire
>sysplexes will be down cold for extended periods. So not good.
>
>.
>.
>.


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Re: IMBED in R8

[Skip Robinson]

OK, I did a Ready, Fire, Aim. We got mixed up between One-byte Console Id,
which will no longer work in R8, and IMBED, which will stop working 'in a
future release'. So panic mode is suspended but not cancelled. I myself did
not realize that catalogs were affected. See II13894 for more information
on the sniffer tool.

I repeat my concern: if catalogs will break as well as ordinary clusters,
MANY of us are looking at some very serious down. Meaning that entire
sysplexes will be down cold for extended periods. So not good.

.
.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 09/28/2005
12:42:08 PM:

> The latest word from Mark Thomen regarding the future of IMBED/REPLICATE
> which I found in IBM-MAIN was:
> http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0408&L=ibm-main&P=R51100
> This post was from August 2004, and said "future release".
>
> The latest word (as of today) from IBM is here:
> http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/zos_sods.html
> This web page was last updated on July 26, 2005, and said "future
release".
>
> Of course, "future release" could (will) change to "next release" at any
> time.
>
> Mark Thomen also observed here that IMBED/REPLCATE can be removed from a
> catalog by performing an EXPORT/IMPORT (after installing OA10952):
> http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0506&L=ibm-main&P=R47099
>
> Brian
>
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:02:45 -0400, Porowski, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Ray,
> >
> >The INCXCISZ tool noted datasets with IMBED and REPLICATE as well as
those
> with INDXCISZ smaller than the 'new' default.
> >
> >Skip,
> >What IBM document stated that IMBED goes away in 'R8'?  Last I heard was
> that it would go away in some future release after 1.7 (not necessarily
the
> release immediately after 1.7).
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Skip Robinson
> >
> >Subject: IMBED in R8
> >
> >IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be usable
> >in
> >the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the supplied utility
> >to
> >ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this time and found--much to
> >our chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs with that attribute.
> >Including
> >master catalogs! Must all of these be recreated? If so, we're looking at
> >some serious sysplex-wide outages.

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Re: IMBED in R8

[Brian Peterson]

The latest word from Mark Thomen regarding the future of IMBED/REPLICATE
which I found in IBM-MAIN was:
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0408&L=ibm-main&P=R51100
This post was from August 2004, and said "future release".

The latest word (as of today) from IBM is here:
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/zos_sods.html
This web page was last updated on July 26, 2005, and said "future release".

Of course, "future release" could (will) change to "next release" at any
time.

Mark Thomen also observed here that IMBED/REPLCATE can be removed from a
catalog by performing an EXPORT/IMPORT (after installing OA10952):
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0506&L=ibm-main&P=R47099

Brian

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:02:45 -0400, Porowski, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Ray,
>
>The INCXCISZ tool noted datasets with IMBED and REPLICATE as well as those
with INDXCISZ smaller than the 'new' default.
>
>Skip,
>What IBM document stated that IMBED goes away in 'R8'?  Last I heard was
that it would go away in some future release after 1.7 (not necessarily the
release immediately after 1.7).
>
>-Original Message-
>Skip Robinson
>
>Subject: IMBED in R8
>
>IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be usable
>in
>the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the supplied utility
>to
>ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this time and found--much to
>our chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs with that attribute.
>Including
>master catalogs! Must all of these be recreated? If so, we're looking at
>some serious sysplex-wide outages.
>

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Re: IMBED in R8

[John Eells]

Skip Robinson wrote:


IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be usable in
the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the supplied utility to
ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this time and found--much to
our chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs with that attribute. Including
master catalogs! Must all of these be recreated? If so, we're looking at
some serious sysplex-wide outages.


Don't panic yet!  We announced that IMBED, REPLICATE, and 
KEYRANGE support would be withdrawn in a future release, but have 
not yet announced which one.  The exact text follows below.


Catalogs are where most people are discovering that these 
attributes still exist because most other data sets get 
unloaded/deleted/redefined/reloaded from time to time, and on any 
supporte release of z/OS these attributes are ignored on the 
DEFINE command.  And yes, I'm afraid data sets and catalogs with 
these attributes must be recreated to get rid of these attributes.


Announcement text:

As previously announced, support for this function is planned to 
be withdrawn in a future release:


Support for the VSAM IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes 
will be withdrawn. No supported release of z/OS allows you to 
define new VSAM data sets with these attributes. Using them for 
existing data sets can waste DASD space and can often degrade 
performance. When this support is withdrawn, you will not be able 
to process data sets with these attributes.


For more information about these and future functional 
withdrawals, visit


 http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/zos_sods.html

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Re: IMBED in R8

[Porowski, Ken]

Ray,

The INCXCISZ tool noted datasets with IMBED and REPLICATE as well as those with 
INDXCISZ smaller than the 'new' default.

Skip,
What IBM document stated that IMBED goes away in 'R8'?  Last I heard was that 
it would go away in some future release after 1.7 (not necessarily the release 
immediately after 1.7).

Ken Porowski
AVP Systems Software
CIT Group 
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-Original Message-
Raymond Noal

Skip,

What is the 'supplied utility' you are referring to?

HITACHI 
 DATA SYSTEMS

Raymond E. Noal
Lab Manager, San Diego Facility
Office: (858) 537 - 3268
Cell:   (858) 248 - 1172


-Original Message-
Skip Robinson

Subject: IMBED in R8

IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be usable
in
the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the supplied utility
to
ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this time and found--much to
our chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs with that attribute.
Including
master catalogs! Must all of these be recreated? If so, we're looking at
some serious sysplex-wide outages.

JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
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Re: IMBED in R8

[Raymond Noal]

Skip,

What is the 'supplied utility' you are referring to?

HITACHI 
 DATA SYSTEMS

Raymond E. Noal
Lab Manager, San Diego Facility
Office: (858) 537 - 3268
Cell:   (858) 248 - 1172


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Subject: IMBED in R8

IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be usable
in
the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the supplied utility
to
ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this time and found--much to
our chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs with that attribute.
Including
master catalogs! Must all of these be recreated? If so, we're looking at
some serious sysplex-wide outages.

.
.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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IMBED in R8

[Skip Robinson]

IBM has announced that VSAM clusters with IMBED will no longer be usable in
the next release after 1.7, call it 'R8'. We've run the supplied utility to
ferret out any IMBEDs that remain after all this time and found--much to
our chagrin--that we have a lot of catalogs with that attribute. Including
master catalogs! Must all of these be recreated? If so, we're looking at
some serious sysplex-wide outages.

.
.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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