Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
John, there is at least one serious financial implication when running all (or any part of) OS/390, so please be aware of this. Please note that, as always here, I do not speak in an official capacity for IBM. One of the (very few!) requirements for enjoying (or continuing to enjoy) any sub-capacity IBM software pricing is that *all* OS/390 must be completely off the machine(s) in question. [Furthermore, all z/OS on the machine(s) must be IPLed in 64-bit mode.] Said another way, when you IPL OS/390 on your z990 -- 1 VM or 20, inside or outside z/VM, it doesn't matter -- you must have an OS/390 license (plus licenses for the other software running on OS/390), and *all* the OS/390 *and* z/OS *and* middleware products running on that z990 must now be paid at full capacity, including "One-Time Charge" products. The whole box zooms up to full capacity charges, instantly and irrevocably for the month(s) that you're running OS/390. Here's one reference to those terms (though your VWLC contract is controlling -- and says much the same no doubt): http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/resources/swprice/subcap/zos.html Quoting: "When you are running z/OS in 64-bit mode and are no longer running OS/390 on your System z server, you have the option to pay the charges for your eligible software on a sub-capacity basis." In a large majority of cases the loss of sub-capacity licensing is financially unattractive, particularly on a sustained basis. At a minimum, I would strongly recommend upgrading the OS/390 workload quickly to z/OS. And talk to your IBM rep *before* you IPL any licensed software that you are not currently licensing and/or that you're not paying at the correct capacity. Or, at the very least, shut down now and talk to your IBM rep now if you are unlicensed and/or not paying full capacity for all licensed software on your z990. Sorry if that's bad news, but I'm personally familiar with a customer who was not aware of this and which owed IBM (and perhaps other vendors) a significant amount of money. They were not happy. Now, I'm sure someone is going to say, "Yes, but, here's why my company needs to run OS/390 for X months" (or whatever). Simple: talk to your IBM rep *first*, present the business case, and get an approval and price! IBM (and presumably most vendors) take a very dim view otherwise, and their hands are tied. It then becomes a contract enforcement/accounts receivable exercise, not subject to discretion. Thanks, everybody. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
Mark and Paolo, it works.. I reduced memory to 256M in the CP directory. Issued CP TRACE IPTE RUN NOTERM from the CP console and the old beast IPLed. I have defined only one engine in the CP directory. I am in a rush this afternoon, I will try and bump the memory to 512M during the week. Believe it or not there are still people running old stuff like this out there. Again, thank you all. Regards, JC => Can you provide details please? Paolo wrote just prior to your post that => it worked for only one CP and less no more that .5G of memory. => => I'm trying to remember back to OS/390 2.4 and even a single z990 engine is => much faster than the 9672 machines my clients were using back then and => half a gig of memory was probably enough for many of those systems => also.I'm curious: are these systems that are still running a decade+ => old OS basically still the same size as they were when they were => installed? => => Mark => -- => Mark Zelden => Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead => Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO => mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com => z/OS Systems Programming expert at => http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ => Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html => => => On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:00:20 +0100, J. Cassidy wrote: => =>>Thank you Mark. =>> =>> =>>It works... =>> =>> =>> =>>Regards, =>> =>> =>> =>>John =>>=> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:50:29 +0100, J. Cassidy =>> wrote: =>>=> =>>=>>** Already cross-posted to IBMVM ** =>>=>> =>>=>> =>>=>>Hello all, =>>=>> =>>=>>am trying to run (believe it or not) an OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM =>> 5.3 =>>=>>(0703) on a CP (z990). =>>=>> =>>=>>The usual CP Directory statements are in place, memory is 1G. =>>=>> =>>=>>I am getting as far as the first reply request, see below: =>>=> =>>=> =>>=> =>>=>>I hope this is not an "architectural" problem.. =>>=>> =>>=> =>>=> It is. You need at least OS/390 2.10 or higher plus the add-on =>>=> compatibility =>>=> and/or exploitation support. =>>=> =>>=> =>> http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10236 =>>=> =>>=> You can also search the archives. There was a post in April 2006 and =>>=> from Jim Mulder that suggested that this VM setting might get around =>>=> the problem, but I don't recall anyone ever reporting that it worked =>> or =>>=> not: =>>=> =>>=> #CP TRACE IPTE RUN NOTERM =>>=> =>>=> =>> http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604&L=ibm-main&D=1&O=D&P=16015 =>>=> =>>=> Mark =>>=> -- =>>=> Mark Zelden =>>=> Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead =>>=> Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO =>>=> mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com =>>=> z/OS Systems Programming expert at =>>=> http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ =>>=> Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html =>>=> =>>=> -- =>>=> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, =>>=> send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO =>>=> Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html =>>=> =>> =>> =>>John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) =>> =>>Kapellenstr. 21a =>> =>>D-65193 Wiesbaden =>> =>>EU =>> =>> =>> =>>Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 =>> =>> =>>http://www.JDCassidy.net =>> =>>http://en.federaleurope.org/ =>> =>>http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php =>> =>>-- =>>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, =>>send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO =>>Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html => => -- => For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, => send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO => Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html => John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Kapellenstr. 21a D-65193 Wiesbaden EU Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 http://www.JDCassidy.net http://en.federaleurope.org/ http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
Can you provide details please? Paolo wrote just prior to your post that it worked for only one CP and less no more that .5G of memory. I'm trying to remember back to OS/390 2.4 and even a single z990 engine is much faster than the 9672 machines my clients were using back then and half a gig of memory was probably enough for many of those systems also.I'm curious: are these systems that are still running a decade+ old OS basically still the same size as they were when they were installed? Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:00:20 +0100, J. Cassidy wrote: >Thank you Mark. > > >It works... > > > >Regards, > > > >John >=> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:50:29 +0100, J. Cassidy wrote: >=> >=>>** Already cross-posted to IBMVM ** >=>> >=>> >=>>Hello all, >=>> >=>>am trying to run (believe it or not) an OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3 >=>>(0703) on a CP (z990). >=>> >=>>The usual CP Directory statements are in place, memory is 1G. >=>> >=>>I am getting as far as the first reply request, see below: >=> >=> >=> >=>>I hope this is not an "architectural" problem.. >=>> >=> >=> It is. You need at least OS/390 2.10 or higher plus the add-on >=> compatibility >=> and/or exploitation support. >=> >=> http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10236 >=> >=> You can also search the archives. There was a post in April 2006 and >=> from Jim Mulder that suggested that this VM setting might get around >=> the problem, but I don't recall anyone ever reporting that it worked or >=> not: >=> >=> #CP TRACE IPTE RUN NOTERM >=> >=> http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604&L=ibm-main&D=1&O=D&P=16015 >=> >=> Mark >=> -- >=> Mark Zelden >=> Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead >=> Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO >=> mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com >=> z/OS Systems Programming expert at >=> http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ >=> Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html >=> >=> -- >=> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >=> send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO >=> Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html >=> > > >John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) > >Kapellenstr. 21a > >D-65193 Wiesbaden > >EU > > > >Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 > > >http://www.JDCassidy.net > >http://en.federaleurope.org/ > >http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO >Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
Paolo Cacciari wrote: Mark, we actually tried CP TRACE statement to let an OS/390 2.4 start under Z/VM 5.3 on a Z9 CPU, and it runs Provided that (as per our experience): 1 - you don't define more than ONE CP to the virtual machine; 2 - you don't assign more than 512MB of central storage to the virtual machine; under these assumptions, IPL was completed and all was up and running. Wow! And, I thought we were doing something "special" running z/OS 1.4 under z/VM 5.3 on a z10... Congratulations! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
Thank you Mark. It works... Regards, John => On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:50:29 +0100, J. Cassidy wrote: => =>>** Already cross-posted to IBMVM ** =>> =>> =>>Hello all, =>> =>>am trying to run (believe it or not) an OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3 =>>(0703) on a CP (z990). =>> =>>The usual CP Directory statements are in place, memory is 1G. =>> =>>I am getting as far as the first reply request, see below: => => => =>>I hope this is not an "architectural" problem.. =>> => => It is. You need at least OS/390 2.10 or higher plus the add-on => compatibility => and/or exploitation support. => => http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10236 => => You can also search the archives. There was a post in April 2006 and => from Jim Mulder that suggested that this VM setting might get around => the problem, but I don't recall anyone ever reporting that it worked or => not: => => #CP TRACE IPTE RUN NOTERM => => http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604&L=ibm-main&D=1&O=D&P=16015 => => Mark => -- => Mark Zelden => Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead => Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO => mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com => z/OS Systems Programming expert at => http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ => Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html => => -- => For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, => send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO => Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html => John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Kapellenstr. 21a D-65193 Wiesbaden EU Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 http://www.JDCassidy.net http://en.federaleurope.org/ http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
Mark, we actually tried CP TRACE statement to let an OS/390 2.4 start under Z/VM 5.3 on a Z9 CPU, and it runs Provided that (as per our experience): 1 - you don't define more than ONE CP to the virtual machine; 2 - you don't assign more than 512MB of central storage to the virtual machine; under these assumptions, IPL was completed and all was up and running. Ciao. . snip >** Already cross-posted to IBMVM ** > > >Hello all, > >am trying to run (believe it or not) an OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3 >(0703) on a CP (z990). > >The usual CP Directory statements are in place, memory is 1G. > >I am getting as far as the first reply request, see below: >I hope this is not an "architectural" problem.. > It is. You need at least OS/390 2.10 or higher plus the add-on compatibility and/or exploitation support. http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10236 You can also search the archives. There was a post in April 2006 and from Jim Mulder that suggested that this VM setting might get around the problem, but I don't recall anyone ever reporting that it worked or not: #CP TRACE IPTE RUN NOTERM http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604&L=ibm-main&D=1&O=D&P=16015 ... snip _ Paolo Cacciari IBM Italia S.p.A. Business Continuity and Resiliency Services, IBM Global Services - South Region, EMEA Via Darwin 85, 20019 Settimo Milanese(MI) ? Italy - MISET001 IBM Italia S.p.A. Sede Legale: Circonvallazione Idroscalo - 20090 Segrate (MI) Cap. Soc. euro 384.506.359,00 C. F. e Reg. Imprese MI 01442240030 - Partita IVA 10914660153 Società soggetta all?attività di direzione e coordinamento di International Business Machines Corporation (Salvo che sia diversamente indicato sopra / Unless stated otherwise above) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:50:29 +0100, J. Cassidy wrote: >** Already cross-posted to IBMVM ** > > >Hello all, > >am trying to run (believe it or not) an OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3 >(0703) on a CP (z990). > >The usual CP Directory statements are in place, memory is 1G. > >I am getting as far as the first reply request, see below: >I hope this is not an "architectural" problem.. > It is. You need at least OS/390 2.10 or higher plus the add-on compatibility and/or exploitation support. http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10236 You can also search the archives. There was a post in April 2006 and from Jim Mulder that suggested that this VM setting might get around the problem, but I don't recall anyone ever reporting that it worked or not: #CP TRACE IPTE RUN NOTERM http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604&L=ibm-main&D=1&O=D&P=16015 Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:50:29 +0100 "J. Cassidy" wrote: :>am trying to run (believe it or not) an OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3 :>(0703) on a CP (z990). :>The usual CP Directory statements are in place, memory is 1G. :>I am getting as far as the first reply request, see below: :>=== :>IEA371I SYS1.PARMLIB ON DEVICE 0847 SELECTED FOR IPL PARAMETERS :>IEA246I LOAD ID 00 SELECTED :>IEA519I IODF DSN = SYS1.IODF01 :>IEA520I CONFIGURATION ID = MVSCP00 . IODF DEVICE NUMBER = 0847 :>IEA091I NUCLEUS 1 SELECTED :>IEA370I MASTER CATALOG SELECTED IS SYS1.MCAT.VRESI25 :>IEA101A SPECIFY SYSTEM PARAMETERS FOR OS/390 02.04.00 JBB6604 :>=== :>As soon as I reply with >>r 00,sysp=00,clpa<< everything dies with a :>HCPGIR453W CP entered; program interrupt loop message. :>There is not much on Google about the above configuration, I have tried :>everything I can think of. :>I hope this is not an "architectural" problem.. :>Anyone any ideas?? What does the program old psw show? What does the directory entry show? What is the response from Q SET? -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3
** Already cross-posted to IBMVM ** Hello all, am trying to run (believe it or not) an OS/390 2.4 guest under z/VM 5.3 (0703) on a CP (z990). The usual CP Directory statements are in place, memory is 1G. I am getting as far as the first reply request, see below: === IEA371I SYS1.PARMLIB ON DEVICE 0847 SELECTED FOR IPL PARAMETERS IEA246I LOAD ID 00 SELECTED IEA519I IODF DSN = SYS1.IODF01 IEA520I CONFIGURATION ID = MVSCP00 . IODF DEVICE NUMBER = 0847 IEA091I NUCLEUS 1 SELECTED IEA370I MASTER CATALOG SELECTED IS SYS1.MCAT.VRESI25 IEA101A SPECIFY SYSTEM PARAMETERS FOR OS/390 02.04.00 JBB6604 === As soon as I reply with >>r 00,sysp=00,clpa<< everything dies with a HCPGIR453W CP entered; program interrupt loop message. There is not much on Google about the above configuration, I have tried everything I can think of. I hope this is not an "architectural" problem.. Anyone any ideas?? Regards, JC http://www.JDCassidy.net http://en.federaleurope.org/ http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
