Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Bill Fairchild]

 
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the pup  would like to know your source for such elegant  quotes.


I replied via private email to this lest the thread be overloaded and shut  
down.  Suffice it to say that my source was NOT an IBM publication having  
anything to do with mainframe computers.
 
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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Kirk Talman]

the pup would like to know your source for such elegant quotes.

Bill Fairchild (7/1/2005 10:29 AM) wrote:
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covetousness of his  countrymen could be restrained by written laws, which 
were like spiders' webs, and would catch, it is true, the weak and poor, 
but easily be broken by the mighty and rich." [Plutarch's "Life of Solon"]
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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Perryman, Brian]

Failing them with exit code should be ok, I don't want to be clever and 
substitute the class to another one. 

There won't be any politics involved either, it's just basic law enforcement. 
Not even politicians are above the law. Are they. 



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What are the politics? You can fail such jobs from an exit. Do you
want to simply change the class? There are risks with that.
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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

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>So first question is, can this be done and, if so, how do I go about
>it please?

AFAIK, you can include an OUTPUT statement in IEFJOBS and thus have
the same control over output that you would in a batch job. 

>The second question then, is there a way in JES or RACF that will
>let me stop non-production users writing to certain output classes?

What are the politics? You can fail such jobs from an exit. Do you
want to simply change the class? There are risks with that.
 
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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Thomas Conley]

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Hi folks

I want some types of STC to have their output immediately purged, assuming 
they complete successfully - repetitive tasks like BPXAS, SMF archiving, 
things like that. I can see how to do that using JES init statements or 
commands.


But for other STCs like HSM, RMM, CICS etc I want the JESMSGLG, JESJCL, 
JESYSMSG etc all kept for a while, regardless of whether they completed 
successfully or not.


So first question is, can this be done and, if so, how do I go about it 
please?


Brian,

Even simpler than the MSTJCL hacks propagated by Kojak, try S 
DFHSM,MSGCLASS=A or whatever.  You can even do it without an IPL.


Regards,
Tom Conley 


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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:23:55 -0700, Barry Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>I don't know of any standard interface that will control access to output
classes.  I had a similar issue with job classes and eventually added
profiles of the form JOBCLASS.X to the JESJOBS class and issued RACROUTE
authorization requests in IEFUJV.
>
>For output classes I would recommend checks in JES2 exit 6 since
everything is tokenized for you there.
>

Did something similar in JES2 exit 6 years ago (MVS/XA) with a
installation defined class ($EXIT).   Checked JOBCLASS.X and OUTCLASS.X
in addition to preventing the usage of TIME= since we wanted the
defaults in the JES2 parms picked up.

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Barry Schwarz]

I don't know of any standard interface that will control access to output 
classes.  I had a similar issue with job classes and eventually added profiles 
of the form JOBCLASS.X to the JESJOBS class and issued RACROUTE authorization 
requests in IEFUJV.
 
For output classes I would recommend checks in JES2 exit 6 since everything is 
tokenized for you there.

"Perryman, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip

Secondly, we have one of those products that archives job output off the spool 
(and into VSAM datasets). It's meant to be for production jobs only, but some 
of the users have realised that this means they can keep some of their listings 
for a few weeks with no effort on their part, so have started submitting their 
jobs using the output class that feeds this archive product.

The second question then, is there a way in JES or RACF that will let me stop 
non-production users writing to certain output classes?


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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Dave Danner]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:52:05 +0100, Perryman, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>I want some types of STC to have their output immediately purged, assuming
they complete successfully

If by "complete successfully" you mean don't abend or get a JCL error, then
a conditionally purged sysout class will work fine.  However, if the STC
ends with a "bad" return code in any job step, it will still purge.  I have
a JES2 exit 40 that implements conditionally purged processing by return
code.  If any job step ends with a return code higher than 4, the output is
kept, otherwise it is purged.  If you want a copy, shoot me an email.

>The second question then, is there a way in JES or RACF that will let me
stop non-production users writing to certain output classes?

If you can identify "non-production users" by looking at fields in the
PDDB, exit 40 can also be used to change the sysout class for bogus
requestors to a class that doesn't get archived.

Dave Danner

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Conway, Steven F]

Interestingly enough, back in OS/390 2.8 JCL Reference, it references and
shows examples of JOB statements on procedures in both the IEFJOBS and the
IEFPDSI datasets.  So, even if you don't have IEFJOBS defined, it looks
like you can stick the job in an IEFPDSI-defined library with a JOB card,
PROC and PEND statements, and let it fly.

Brian and John, are your test procs/jobs in a library in the IEFPDSI
concatenation?  Do you have PROC/PEND statements in the members?  Required
to add them if going this way.  (These aren't required using the IEFJOBS
route, BTW.  Using IEFJOBS also allows you to use INCLUDE statements; nice
flexibility there.)

Mark, I'm sure you already know, but for those just starting to play with
started jobs, IEFJOBS is only significant if you have the JOB defined as a
member of that library.


McKown, John wrote:

>I found the changes in the z/OS 1.6 JCL reference. Apparently z/OS 1.6
>allows a JOB statement in what used to be a started procedure (started
>task) library. Yet another reason to upgrade!
>

Mark Zelden responded:
I ran on a test on z/OS 1.4 and it worked, but the system already
is using IEFJOBS in MSTJCLxx.


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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Ted MacNEIL]

...
Hmm, how about that?!  It works as advertised.  When did this become
available?
...
Started Jobs came out with ESA 4, I believe.

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:47:45 -0500, McKown, John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I found the changes in the z/OS 1.6 JCL reference. Apparently z/OS 1.6
>allows a JOB statement in what used to be a started procedure (started
>task) library. Yet another reason to upgrade!
>

I ran on a test on z/OS 1.4 and it worked, but the system already
is using IEFJOBS in MSTJCLxx.

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:42:47 +0100, Perryman, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>Incidentally I'm currently getting exactly the same results as John
> McKown - "MISPLACED JOB STATEMENT"
>

I think you have to already have IEFJOBS in MSTJCLxx to put a
jobcard in a proc.

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[David Andrews]

On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 16:42 +0100, Perryman, Brian wrote:
> Incidentally I'm currently getting exactly the same results as John McKown
>  - "MISPLACED JOB STATEMENT"

And I don't have an IEFJOBS in my MSTJCL; I use nothing but IEFPDSI.

There is extensive discussion in the archives.  Search for Ed Finnell's
post dated April 29, 1998 "Re: OS/390 R2.4 Started Task Accting"

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Perryman, Brian
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> 
> 
> Ok thanks for that Steven, I'll poke around a bit and see how 
> this system is set up. It's probably a bit late in the day to 
> start playing with it now (literally - it's 4:30 here in the 
> UK) as it's only got a few weeks before it's upgraded to 
> z/OS, perhaps this is something I can configure into that release.
> 
> Incidentally I'm currently getting exactly the same results 
> as John McKown - "MISPLACED JOB STATEMENT"

I found the changes in the z/OS 1.6 JCL reference. Apparently z/OS 1.6
allows a JOB statement in what used to be a started procedure (started
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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Perryman, Brian]

Ok thanks for that Steven, I'll poke around a bit and see how this system is 
set up. It's probably a bit late in the day to start playing with it now 
(literally - it's 4:30 here in the UK) as it's only got a few weeks before it's 
upgraded to z/OS, perhaps this is something I can configure into that release.

Incidentally I'm currently getting exactly the same results as John McKown - 
"MISPLACED JOB STATEMENT"

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

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> 
> 
> On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:52 +0100, Perryman, Brian wrote:
> > I want some types of STC to have their output immediately 
> purged [...]
> > But for other STCs [...] all kept for a while, regardless of whether
> > they completed successfully or not.  [...] can this be done
> 
> You can insert a job card in your started task JCL, as so:
>   //VPS JOB 5007,VPS,MSGCLASS=W,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)
> 
> -- 
> David Andrews

Hum, I just tried that on z/OS 1.4 with JES2 and got:

10.26.40 STC09356  THURSDAY,  30 JUN 2005 
10.26.40 STC09356  IEFC452I IEFBR14 - JOB NOT RUN - JCL ERROR  340
-- JES2 JOB STATISTICS --
  30 JUN 2005 JOB EXECUTION DATE
2 CARDS READ
   18 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS
0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS
1 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES
 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME
1 //IEFBR14  JOB MSGLEVEL=1
STC09356
2 //STARTING EXEC IEFBR14
3 XXIEFBR14 JOB MSGCLASS=X
4 XXSTEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
 STMT NO. MESSAGE
2 IEFC001I PROCEDURE IEFBR14 WAS EXPANDED USING SYSTEM LIBRARY
SYS2.PROCLIB
3 IEFC019I MISPLACED JOB STATEMENT

It works if I use a "started job" by using IEFJOBS.


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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Conway, Steven F]

Hi, Brian.
  To control STC output requires a couple things, both trivial technically,
perhaps not so trivial politically.

1.  Define MSTJCLxx with an IEFJOBS DD:

//MSTJCL00 JOB MSGLEVEL=(1,1),TIME=1440
// EXEC PGM=IEEMB860,DPRTY=(15,15)
//STCINRDR DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//TSOINRDR DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//IEFPDSI  DD DSN=USCT.PROCLIB,DISP=SHR
// DD DSN=SYS2.PROCLIB,DISP=SHR
// DD DSN=SYS1.PROCLIB,DISP=SHR
//SYSUADS  DD DSN=SYS1.UADS,DISP=SHR
//SYSLBC   DD DSN=SYS1.BRODCAST,DISP=SHR
//IEFJOBS  DD DSN=SYS2.STCJOBS,DISP=SHR

2.  In IEFJOBS dataset, define job cards for your tasks with a MSGCLASS
that has the needed attributes:
//CICSCBAA JOB (TE12,CICS),'CRT BSD/ACS AOR2',MSGCLASS=W
//CICSCBAA EXEC CICSCBAA

And this definitely works on OS/390.

(This post was rejected first time because of "excessive quoting".
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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Perryman, Brian]

..not for me.. :-(

Unless I'm coding it wrong. Also, I'm trying to do this on a OS/390 2.9 system..

Can't find it documented anywhere either.. But I don't want to start another 
"not documented" thread..!!

And what's IEFJOBS?

Brian


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Hmm, how about that?!  It works as advertised.  When did this become
available?  (Rhetorical; I'll find it in the doc.)  I looked in the JCL
Ref, it's not listed in the Changes section back to z/OS 1.1, which implies
it was available in OS/390.

This is much simpler than the IEFJOBS route.  Thanks!
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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Conway, Steven F]

Hmm, how about that?!  It works as advertised.  When did this become
available?  (Rhetorical; I'll find it in the doc.)  I looked in the JCL
Ref, it's not listed in the Changes section back to z/OS 1.1, which implies
it was available in OS/390.

This is much simpler than the IEFJOBS route.  Thanks!


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On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:52 +0100, Perryman, Brian wrote:
> I want some types of STC to have their output immediately purged [...]
> But for other STCs [...] all kept for a while, regardless of whether
> they completed successfully or not.  [...] can this be done

You can insert a job card in your started task JCL, as so:
 //VPS JOB 5007,VPS,MSGCLASS=W,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[Perryman, Brian]

Ok, I'll read up on that.

Thanks.

Brian

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On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:52 +0100, Perryman, Brian wrote:
> I want some types of STC to have their output immediately purged [...]
> But for other STCs [...] all kept for a while, regardless of whether
> they completed successfully or not.  [...] can this be done

You can insert a job card in your started task JCL, as so:
//VPS JOB 5007,VPS,MSGCLASS=W,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)

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Re: Couple of questions on JES2 output handling

[David Andrews]

On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:52 +0100, Perryman, Brian wrote:
> I want some types of STC to have their output immediately purged [...]
> But for other STCs [...] all kept for a while, regardless of whether
> they completed successfully or not.  [...] can this be done

You can insert a job card in your started task JCL, as so:
//VPS JOB 5007,VPS,MSGCLASS=W,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)

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