Re: IBM Manuals

[Chase, John]

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J.)
> 
> In
> ,
> on 12/30/2011
>at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:
> 
> >> -Original Message-
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(Seymour
> >J.)
> >>
> >> In
> >>
,
> >> on 12/27/2011
> >>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
> >>
> >> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
> >> >monitors?
> >>
> >> 1920p, Shirley.
> 
> >Nope.
> 
> "No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?

WRT TVs, the term "1080p" refers to horizontal scan lines and mode of
scan:  "p" is "progressive", "I" is "interlaced".  For HDTV, 1920 refers
to the number of "columns", or picture width.  Thus the "native" screen
size of HDTV is 1080 x 1920.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-qOFDc4iegAD/learn/learningcenter/home/under
standing-resolution.html or http://tinyurl.com/6wzjjbf

Now, Moen makes a model 1920p faucet

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Jan MOEYERSONS]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:51:01 -0800, Scott Ford  wrote:

>To all my colleagues:
>
>Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
>IE8-9 are extremely small...?

It is IBM.

I recommend you file an RCF. There should be a URL somewhere near the bottom of 
the publication. 

Cheers,

Jantje.

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 01/01/2012
   at 01:29 PM, J R  said:

>I think he means that the correct designation for a 1920x1080 TV is
>1080p or 1080i.  

No, actually I meant 1200p, for a 1920x1200 monitor; they say that the
mind is the second[1] thing to go. And, yes, I know that some of you
have better than that, but I'd be jealous if you told me ;-)

>Since HD TVs generally have an aspect ratio of 16:9, 1080 rows will
>require 1920 columns (pixels, that is).  

Indeed, but why limit computer monitors to what the TV's have? :-(

BTW, when I got my 24" panel I was shocked to realize that it weighed
less than the systems unit and far less than the 20" CRT it replaced.
I suppose that in 5 years I'll find this panel to be both too heavy
and too small.

[1] I can't remember the first.
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[J R]

I think he means that the correct designation for a 1920x1080 TV is 1080p or 
1080i.  

That is, the number of (progressive or interlaced) scans.  

Since HD TVs generally have an aspect ratio of 16:9, 1080 rows will require 
1920 columns (pixels, that is).  

 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:46:15 -0500
> From: shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net
> Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> 
> In
> ,
> on 12/30/2011
>at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:
> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
> >J.)
> >> 
> >> In
> >> ,
> >> on 12/27/2011
> >>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
> >> 
> >> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
> >> >monitors?
> >> 
> >> 1920p, Shirley.
> 
> >Nope.
> 
> "No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?
>  
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Shmuel,

Yeah Shirley, I need them big fonts and monitors ..lol

Regards,
Scott
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On Dec 31, 2011, at 6:46 PM, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" 
 wrote:

> In
> ,
> on 12/30/2011
>   at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:
> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
>> J.)
>>> 
>>> In
>>> ,
>>> on 12/27/2011
>>>   at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
>>> 
 Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
 monitors?
>>> 
>>> 1920p, Shirley.
> 
>> Nope.
> 
> "No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?
> 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 12/30/2011
   at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
>J.)
>> 
>> In
>> ,
>> on 12/27/2011
>>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
>> 
>> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
>> >monitors?
>> 
>> 1920p, Shirley.

>Nope.

"No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

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jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes:
> If you can get a text-based PDF document from the original source,
> that would certainly be preferable, as that allows text searching
> capability. But, if all you have is a hard copy, none of the current
> freely-available OCR tools come close to preserving the original
> document as accurately as image-based PDF, unless you have the time
> for extensive manual editing.  Bitsavers.org uses a modified archive
> approach that uses higher resolution to allow possible future OCR; but
> compensates for higher resolution by using black/white threshold
> images that sacrifice quality of embedded document illustrations.  I
> prefer to go with lower resolution adequate for human reading and
> preserve gray scale, and even color, where its use is significant.

I finally got approval for putting up scan'ed (original done at 600dpi)
copy of Share 1979 LSRAD report: 
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/share/

I sent them a 4mbyte & 150mbyte PDF versions and they put up the
150mbyte ... although I don't notice lot of difference. I did do some
image post processing from the original scan to bring out letters/text
(including forcing b/w threashold; before conversions to pdf) ...  I
find that resulted in much better reading quality, more than the
difference between 4mbyte & 150mbyte.

i did put up the cover in color/jpg at very low resolution (<7kbytes)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lsradcover.jpg 

Early spring 2009 I was asked to HTML'ize the Pecora hearings (30s
congressional hearings into the '29 crash ... glass-steagall, etc) that
had been scanned the previous fall at boston public library ... doing
lots of internal HREFs index/links as well as lots of HREFs between what
happened then and what happened this time (some expectation that the new
congress might have some appetite for the subject). I spent a lot of
time with "free" OCR programs ... but there was lots of problems. In any
case, after doing quiet a bit of work, got a call that it wouldn't be
needed after all (wallstreet pouring enormous amount of money into
congress)

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Joel,
Totally agree , pdf is much easier
Regards,
Scott

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On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:56 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:

> On 12/30/2011 10:30 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
>> In<4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
>>at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:
>> 
>>> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
>>> and  save an on-line pdf version
>> 
>> Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
>> certainly not in all.
>> 
> 
> I want a form that preserves for my personal use, and has the ability to 
> recreate if necessary, the original multi-page documents for human viewing.  
> PDF was designed with precisely that in mind and does it very well.  I want a 
> format with a proven track record of continued support over an extended time 
> period on multiple hardware platforms and operating systems.  The PDF specs 
> are openly available, free PDF readers are available for multiple 
> environments from multiple independent sources.  Ditto for free print-to-PDF 
> converters, and direct PDF creation support is now built into many 
> applications as well.
> 
> There are other formats that are useful or even "better" in specific 
> environments, but nothing at this point is as ubiquitous as PDF, and I have 
> no idea what systems I may be running ten years from now.
> 
> If you can get a text-based PDF document from the original source, that would 
> certainly be preferable, as that allows text searching capability. But, if 
> all you have is a hard copy, none of the current freely-available OCR tools 
> come close to preserving the original document as accurately as image-based 
> PDF, unless you have the time for extensive manual editing.  Bitsavers.org 
> uses a modified archive approach that uses higher resolution to allow 
> possible future OCR; but compensates for higher resolution by using 
> black/white threshold images that sacrifice quality of embedded document 
> illustrations.  I prefer to go with lower resolution adequate for human 
> reading and preserve gray scale, and even color, where its use is significant.
> 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Joel C. Ewing]

On 12/30/2011 10:30 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

In<4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:


First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
and  save an on-line pdf version


Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
certainly not in all.



I want a form that preserves for my personal use, and has the ability to 
recreate if necessary, the original multi-page documents for human 
viewing.  PDF was designed with precisely that in mind and does it very 
well.  I want a format with a proven track record of continued support 
over an extended time period on multiple hardware platforms and 
operating systems.  The PDF specs are openly available, free PDF readers 
are available for multiple environments from multiple independent 
sources.  Ditto for free print-to-PDF converters, and direct PDF 
creation support is now built into many applications as well.


There are other formats that are useful or even "better" in specific 
environments, but nothing at this point is as ubiquitous as PDF, and I 
have no idea what systems I may be running ten years from now.


If you can get a text-based PDF document from the original source, that 
would certainly be preferable, as that allows text searching capability. 
But, if all you have is a hard copy, none of the current 
freely-available OCR tools come close to preserving the original 
document as accurately as image-based PDF, unless you have the time for 
extensive manual editing.  Bitsavers.org uses a modified archive 
approach that uses higher resolution to allow possible future OCR; but 
compensates for higher resolution by using black/white threshold images 
that sacrifice quality of embedded document illustrations.  I prefer to 
go with lower resolution adequate for human reading and preserve gray 
scale, and even color, where its use is significant.


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Re: IBM Manuals

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In <4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
   at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:

>First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
>and  save an on-line pdf version

Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
certainly not in all.
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Ted,
1 pt , touchdown  and crowd goes wild !

Regards,
Scott

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On Dec 30, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

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> -Original Message-
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> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:07:40 
> To: 
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> 
> Ed,
> 
> Someone said getting old isn't for sissies, I got my ipad2 for christmas and 
> love it but your right Ed the install manual font is small. Not great for us 
> older folks
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:
> 
>> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and 
>> save an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By 
>> keeping all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed as 
>> reference or make them large enough to read easily.
>> 
>> Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
>> instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely read 
>> the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!
>> 
>> Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
>> rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.
>> JC Ewing
>> 
>> On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
>>> Scott:
>>> 
>>> Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
>>> a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
>>> it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
>>> could do the "install".
>>> Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>> ...
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
J.)
> 
> In
> ,
> on 12/27/2011
>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
> 
> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
> >monitors?
> 
> 1920p, Shirley.

Nope.

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Re: IBM Manuals

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Ed,

Someone said getting old isn't for sissies, I got my ipad2 for christmas and 
love it but your right Ed the install manual font is small. Not great for us 
older folks


Sent from my iPad

On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:

> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and save 
> an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By keeping 
> all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed as reference 
> or make them large enough to read easily.
> 
> Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
> instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely read 
> the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!
> 
> Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
> rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.
>  JC Ewing
> 
> On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
>> Scott:
>> 
>> Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
>> a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
>> it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
>> could do the "install".
>> Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
> ...
> 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
   at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:

>First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
>and  save an on-line pdf version

Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
certainly not in all.
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Ed,

Someone said getting old isn't for sissies, I got my ipad2 for christmas and 
love it but your right Ed the install manual font is small. Not great for us 
older folks


Sent from my iPad

On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:

> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and save 
> an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By keeping 
> all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed as reference 
> or make them large enough to read easily.
> 
> Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
> instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely read 
> the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!
> 
> Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
> rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.
>  JC Ewing
> 
> On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
>> Scott:
>> 
>> Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
>> a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
>> it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
>> could do the "install".
>> Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
> ...
> 
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[Joel C. Ewing]

First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and 
save an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By 
keeping all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed 
as reference or make them large enough to read easily.


Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely 
read the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!


Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.

  JC Ewing

On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:

Scott:

Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
could do the "install".
Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.

Ed


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[Ed Gould]

Scott:

Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were  
on a 3 X 5  in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could  
not read it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to  
read them so I could do the "install".

Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.

Ed

On Dec 27, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Scott Ford wrote:

lol, love it I have a19 inch one here at home where I  
work ...Maybe they are telling us old dinosaurs we are getting old,  
man



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Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as  
monitors?


On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Scott Ford  
 wrote:

Lizette:

Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9  
up to like 200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right  
panel of the page...


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Re: IBM Manuals

[Mike Schwab]

Went through all the settings and did not find it.

Finally found it under the Tools Menu, not the Tools > Internet options.

Looking ok now.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Ed Castro  wrote:
> Using IE8, "Compatibility View" seems to resolve part of the font size 
> problem.
>
> Best Regards.
>
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> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Clifford McNeill  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
>> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp
>>
>> as opposed to something like this manual...
>> http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211
>>
>> I found the following note on
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
>>
>>
>> Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
>> Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197
>>
>>
>>    Cliff McNeill
> Yes, that is where the font size is very small.  Yes, I installed the
> suggested Silverlight for XP SP3 I.E. 8.  No, it did not change the
> font size.
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Pommier, Rex R.]

Cliff,

Got'cha, you're right.  The first page is tiny on mine as well.  That's what I 
get for navigating in Firefox then grabbing the URL and putting it into IE.  
I'll crawl back into my corner now.  :-)

Rex

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>
> I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
> looked just fine.
>
> Rex
> >
> > Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts 
> > in IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> > I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
> >
> > Scott J Ford


I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp

as opposed to something like this manual...
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211

I found the following note on
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/


Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer(r) 8 or 9  to view our  
Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197


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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Joe:
 
Thats one I saw also, once i enter into the Pubs library I am fine ...its just 
that initial page is a wee bit small

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 From: Joe Connally 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
I'm glad to hear others complain, I thought it was just me.
Bookmanager and PDF's look great on my browser. But this page has a tiny font 
size:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp


Joe



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Pommier, Rex R.
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:24 PM
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I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
looked just fine.

Rex

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Mike Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Clifford McNeill  wrote:
>
>
> I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp
>
> as opposed to something like this manual...
> http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211
>
> I found the following note on
> http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
>
>
> Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
> Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197
>
>
>    Cliff McNeill
Yes, that is where the font size is very small.  Yes, I installed the
suggested Silverlight for XP SP3 I.E. 8.  No, it did not change the
font size.

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[Scott Ford]

Outstanding Cliff your the man, the problem is what you pointed out its IE9 and 
you must turn on Compatibility mode in the Command toolbars of IE9. I did this 
and the IBM webpage is now a beautiful thing, looks great and font is perfect.


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 From: Clifford McNeill 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
> 
> I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
> looked just fine.
> 
> Rex
> >
> > Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts 
> > in IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> > I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
> >
> > Scott J Ford


I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp

as opposed to something like this manual...
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211

I found the following note on 
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/


Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197


    Cliff McNeill                           
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Joe Connally]

I'm glad to hear others complain, I thought it was just me.
Bookmanager and PDF's look great on my browser. But this page has a tiny font 
size:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp


Joe



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Pommier, Rex R.
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:24 PM
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I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
looked just fine.

Rex

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Mike Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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> 
> I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
> looked just fine.
> 
> Rex
> >
> > Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts 
> > in IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> > I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
> >
> > Scott J Ford


I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp
 
as opposed to something like this manual...
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211
 
I found the following note on 
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
 
 
Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197
 
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 12/27/2011
   at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:

>Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
>monitors?

1920p, Shirley.
 
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I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
looked just fine.

Rex

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Mike Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Ed Finnell]

Using IE8 looks just like ol' times. Fills up 19" window and can scroll and 
 browse OK fine. Didn't try anything else. Maybe it's a config issue on the 
 PC.
 
 
In a message dated 12/27/2011 2:05:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com writes:

In  bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readableThen
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the  lines.



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Re: IBM Manuals

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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Ford
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:57 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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> 
> lol, love it I have a19 inch one here at home where I 
> work ...Maybe they are telling us old dinosaurs we are 
> getting old, man
> 
> 
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com

23.6 inch at work (BYOD - Bring Your Own Device - I bought it myself and have 
"implicit" permission to use it so long as nobody bitches). At home, I have a 
25 inch.

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

lol, love it I have a19 inch one here at home where I work ...Maybe they 
are telling us old dinosaurs we are getting old, man


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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as monitors?

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> Lizette:
>
> Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9 up to like 
> 200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right panel of the page...
>
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[Mike Schwab]

Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as monitors?

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> Lizette:
>
> Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9 up to like 
> 200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right panel of the page...
>
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Lizette:
 
Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9 up to like 
200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right panel of the page...

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 From: Lizette Koehler 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
>To all my colleagues:
> 
>Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
>IE8-9 are extremely small...?
>I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
>Scott J Ford

Scott,

I have been trying to zoom the fonts on the SDSF webpage and it is so small I 
do not think if you were a molecule you could read it.

So not you, it is IBM.  But I am not sure how to correct it.  Or where a case 
could be opened.

Lizette

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[Pommier, Rex R.]

The really small font is so they can save space on the DASD.   

Rex

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Subject: IBM Manuals

To all my colleagues:

Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
IE8-9 are extremely small...?
I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Mike,
 
Yeah, the intial screen is a tiny font once you can double-click or click on it 
with a mouse its better, but still i have to raise the zoon to 150% on IE...
 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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[Lizette Koehler]

>To all my colleagues:
> 
>Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
>IE8-9 are extremely small...?
>I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
>Scott J Ford

Scott,

I have been trying to zoom the fonts on the SDSF webpage and it is so small I 
do not think if you were a molecule you could read it.

So not you, it is IBM.  But I am not sure how to correct it.  Or where a case 
could be opened.

Lizette

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Mike Schwab]

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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Re: IBM manuals (was Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)

[O'Mara, Kevin, ITD]

I thought I'd already gotten my 2 cents in ,but I missed a halfpenny.

Of certain importance would be:

"z/OS MVS System Commands" manual.

"JES2 commands manual" 
 - (really, more system commands, Job Entry Subsystem) possibly JES3??

"DFSMS/MVS Utilites"  
 - (how to copy a file etc.)

And drum roll...

"MVS Initialization and Tuning Reference" 
 -(how does this all come together exactly = describes each member of
SYS1.PARMLIB in detail)

If your co-workers have some JCL libraries where they stash their jobs,
you should very humbly, and with due deference, ask them to share.

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Re: IBM manuals (was Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)

[Kent Ramsay]

The Binder is described in the "z/OS VxRx.x MVS Program Management" books,
the User's guide and the one on Advanced Facilities.  But you're right, the
old names were easier to remember.

Kent

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On 8 Apr 2006 16:50:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mills) wrote:

  [re: IBM Reference manuals]
> > The are basically written as if you know
> > *everything* except the one thing you're currently 
> reading about.

>They are also written on the assumption that you will 
>somehow intuit where
>to look for the answers - for example, that the way to 
>copy a disk file
>would be documented in a manual called "DFSMSdfp Utilities."

  Now that we have softcopy manuals, there's no longer 
a need for the "Manual of Missing Macros".  Instead, as you 
pointed out, we need the "Index of Functions vs. Manual 
Titles".  I can still never remember the name of the manual 
that describes the Binder.

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