Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
In a message dated 11/17/2006 2:37:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >And the "African Americans" I know call themselves "BLACK", "COLORED" or >"PERSONS OF COLOR". I have known at least three African Americans who were "white". They were whites born in Africa who moved to the USA. And "person of color" has always insulted my intelligence, as, according to optics, black is without any color and white is all colors. The Orwellian wresting of word meanings never ends. Bill Fairchild (an English-American, mostly) "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a desert [the sack of Carthage], they call it peace." [Agricola; quoting British chieftain Calgalus' comment on the Roman Empire] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
In a message dated 11/17/2006 2:36:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >the entire world refers to us as "Americans" -- and has for a couple hundred years -- I >don't see why it is somehow our failing. We are not at fault for having this name, but we commit cultural arrogance when we think we are the only Americans. “The name of our country is América.” [Simón Bolívar] Bill Fairchild "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a desert [the sack of Carthage], they call it peace." [Agricola; quoting British chieftain Calgalus' comment on the Roman Empire] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
On 17 Nov 2006 10:22:25 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: > >And I have been old that the non-U.S. residents / citizens get a bit >upset that we claim the entire continent for ourselves. After all, >Canadians are AMERICANS, as are Mexicans, Peruvians, Brazilians, and all >the rest (no offense meant to people whose country I did not mention). > When I lived in Mexico in the early 1960s people complained that US people call ourselves Americans - we should be called North Americans - which I though was odd. The United States of Mexico is just as much a part of North America as the U.S. is - not to mention Canada. The trouble is, the U.S., and to a lesser extent, the U.K. are countries without traditional names. Although Macedonia has some similar conflict.I wonder if people from, say Israel or Saudi Arabia object to someone being described as "Asian looking"... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
They are welcome to be as upset as they like, but considering that the entire world refers to us as "Americans" -- and has for a couple hundred years -- I don't see why it is somehow our failing. It is a legitimate shortening of the name "United States of America," just as "Mexico" is a a legitimate shortening of the *actual* name of the country, which is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos." Similarly, Brazil is really "Republica Federativa de Brasil" and Venzuela is "Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela." Jon And I have been old that the non-U.S. residents / citizens get a bit upset that we claim the entire continent for ourselves. After all, Canadians are AMERICANS, as are Mexicans, Peruvians, Brazilians, and all the rest (no offense meant to people whose country I did not mention). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
I'm sure you meant to write "Native American" instead of "American Indian", right? Native American may be PC, but a few years ago on vacation in Arizona, we took a tour with a company owned and run by Indians, and our guide clearly told us that they prefer to be called "Indians". Of course, we had an interesting guide. He looked totally indian, mahogany skin, prominent nose, braded hair, etc, but he grew up in California and talked like a "Valley Boy", fer sure! -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:42 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes) > > And the "African Americans" I know call themselves "BLACK", > > "COLORED" or "PERSONS OF COLOR". And by the way, they're all > > AMERICANS. > > Indeed, as are all of us who claim U. S. citizenship. > > -jc- And I have been old that the non-U.S. residents / citizens get a bit upset that we claim the entire continent for ourselves. After all, Canadians are AMERICANS, as are Mexicans, Peruvians, Brazilians, and all the rest (no offense meant to people whose country I did not mention). -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > > > I'm sure you meant to write "Native American" instead of > "American Indian", right? :-) > -- > The "Native Americans" that I know, mostly Ottawa and Oglala > Sioux, are offended by "Native American". They will tell you > to your face that they are INDIANS. To be anthropologically correct we should refer to them as "Aboriginies" or "Aboriginals", and if "qualification" is needed add "[North] American" (to distinguish from, e.g., "Australian"). > And the "African Americans" I know call themselves "BLACK", > "COLORED" or "PERSONS OF COLOR". And by the way, they're all > AMERICANS. Indeed, as are all of us who claim U. S. citizenship. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
I'm sure you meant to write "Native American" instead of "American Indian", right? :-) -- The "Native Americans" that I know, mostly Ottawa and Oglala Sioux, are offended by "Native American". They will tell you to your face that they are INDIANS. And the "African Americans" I know call themselves "BLACK", "COLORED" or "PERSONS OF COLOR". And by the way, they're all AMERICANS. Caps for clarity, not shouting. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
