Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
On 2/28/2012 11:46 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote: I get the impression that once Thunderbird has the messages in its local database, it is difficult or impossible to change the way they are threaded. I think (based on my experiences) that these options apply only to new messages. That makes sense. I'll watch future threading behavior. I much preferred Thunderbirds threading behaviour prior to version 3. Threading based on subject is a much more intuitive system - even with its occasional failings. It's guesswork. The In-ReplyTo: tag gives perfect results, but only if used by everyone. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
W dniu 2012-02-29 09:09, Edward Jaffe pisze: On 2/28/2012 11:46 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote: I get the impression that once Thunderbird has the messages in its local database, it is difficult or impossible to change the way they are threaded. I think (based on my experiences) that these options apply only to new messages. That makes sense. I'll watch future threading behavior. I have two instances of TB. I did the change in one of them and see a difference in new messages. = It does work! :-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
On 2/28/2012 9:11 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/28/2012 4:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:51:31 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:51 AM, McKown, John wrote: IOW, damned if I do and damned if I don't (insert hard line breaks, that is). My advice is not to ever insert any hard breaks. That just makes things worse. When one relies on software that properly handles format=flowed everything should work beautifully. Thunderbird seems to support this very well. I assume Outlook does as well. I'll take the contrary position. This ain't a word processor. I learned long ago to insert line breaks where I want them -- it's the big key to the right of the home row. Allow me to restate. What I actually meant to say was not to insert any GRATUITOUS hard breaks. Obviously, hard breaks between paragraphs is a good idea. But, hard breaks in the middle of a paragraph become unreadable when quoted. I don't think so. As I mentioned earlier, I insert lots of hard breaks. The key is to keep lines short and roughly the same width. I think the result is easier to read and easier to reply to. But, of course, YMMV. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In 4f4d5a73.9030...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 02/28/2012 at 02:51 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said: My advice is not to ever insert any hard breaks. That just makes things worse. When one relies on software that properly handles format=flowed John isn't generating format=flowed, alas. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In 2142326002012139.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 02/28/2012 at 06:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: I learned long ago to insert line breaks where I want them -- it's the big key to the right of the home row. Which makes things harder for thos using a narrower window to read them. F=F is an abominable compromise. But better than alternating long and short lines. Q-P is no better. Much as I hate QP, it has a useful role. Both are attempts at stealth markup No; QP is a way to sneak non-ASCII data into an ASCII protocol without breaking things. structured text that appears plain FSVO structured text. The games they play are never quite transparent. No protocol is transparent to software that doesn't support it. Half a decade is long enough for the authors of e-mail software to start supporting MIME. They corrupt plain text that I paste in. Then you're running broken software. MS Exchange is broken. I believe F=F uses SPACENEWLINE as a continuation indicator. Woe betide anyone who allows a space to occur before a hard line break. That can only happen with broken software. From RFC 3676 A generating agent SHOULD: ... o Trim spaces before user-inserted hard line breaks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
W dniu 2012-02-27 17:59, Tony Harminc pisze: While we're on the topic of posting problems, am I the only reader to have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts? I find that his original posts are fine, but his replies to anyone else's are always shown without line breaks. I almost missed this mail. Thank you for paying attention. I didn't know about the problems. BTW: I think I haven't changed my settings for years, only upgraded mail program (Thunderbird and predecessors). As far as I understand the problem occurs when both conditions are met: 1. It is reply, not start of thread. 2. Another user is using GMAIL. I would like to fix it, but I need some clue or maybe I should send some test messages with different settings (and make some noise on the list!). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland P.S. It's nice to know that anybody read my posts ;-) -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In caarmm9tjvqnv6xrfg9gzwykubfjju91nf0s9hf-dxftbubc...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/27/2012 at 11:59 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: While we're on the topic of posting problems, am I the only reader to have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts? I find that his original posts are fine, but his replies to anyone else's are always shown without line breaks. I have no problem with the format of his messages. I read the list with Gmail. There's your problem. I notice that both his original and reply posts have the dreaded Dreaded? format=flowed on the Content-Type line, but it seems to cause trouble only for replies. C=F means that a line ending in SP CR LF should be wrapped with the following line while a line without the trailing space ends a paragraph. I'm quite certain that you're seeing incorrect wrapping in all of his messages, even if you don't realize it. He seems to have a habbit of adding hard returns at the end of a sentence, and if GMAIL does not handle C=F then it will wrap those. Usually Gmail is very good at interpreting and displaying strangely formatted mail, But not so good at handling standards. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In 4f4c8937.4000...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 02/28/2012 at 08:58 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: I would like to fix it, This time it's not your error. The only thing wrong with the format of your messages is that you are putting a hard return at the end of every sentences instead of allowing rewrap of multiple sentences in a paragraph. I didn't know about the problems. They're problems in GMAIL, not in your software. You could ask TB to not use F=F, but that would cause other problems. The fix is for Tony to send a bug report to google citing failure to handle RFC 2646 and RFC 3676. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In 1322374244611894.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu, on 02/27/2012 at 10:35 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said: Do you see the problem with my posts? Yes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
Perhaps this will help: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_content_types#Disabling_paragraph_flow or this http://www.techques.com/question/3-202613/Thunderbird-is-removing-line-breaks-on-forwarded-messages---what-gives - Don Imbriale On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:58 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.plwrote: W dniu 2012-02-27 17:59, Tony Harminc pisze: While we're on the topic of posting problems, am I the only reader to have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts? I find that his original posts are fine, but his replies to anyone else's are always shown without line breaks. I almost missed this mail. Thank you for paying attention. I didn't know about the problems. BTW: I think I haven't changed my settings for years, only upgraded mail program (Thunderbird and predecessors). As far as I understand the problem occurs when both conditions are met: 1. It is reply, not start of thread. 2. Another user is using GMAIL. I would like to fix it, but I need some clue or maybe I should send some test messages with different settings (and make some noise on the list!). Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland P.S. It's nice to know that anybody read my posts ;-) tej wiadomo ci mo e zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wy cznie do u ytku s bowego adresata. Odbiorc e by jedynie jej adresat z wy czeniem dost pu os b trzecich. Je eli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomo ci lub pracownikiem upowa nionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dzia anie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i mo e by karalne. Je eli otrzyma wiadomo omy kowo, prosimy niezw ocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysy c odpowied oraz trwale usun wiadomo czaj c w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pld Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorc w KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca ci wp acony) wynosi 168.410.984 z otych. --** --**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.eduwith the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b3...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 02/27/2012 at 12:52 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: I guess I'm just used to the email client inserting a line break where appropriate. The e-mail client has no way of knowing where a line break is appropriate, because it does not know the screen width that the reader will use. I tend to do email like I do word processing. I only use the newline key when I want to force a line break, or and the end of a paragraph. Quite properly, although it would be better if your software supported RFC 2646[1], including Format=Flowed. I didn't realize that some email clients don't conform to normal standards. I'll get in a habit of using the new line key more often. That causes problems for e-mail clients that do conform to normal standards. [1] With a date of 1999-08, it's hardly bleeding edge. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In 4f4bd29c.8060...@trainersfriend.com, on 02/27/2012 at 11:59 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said: Thanks. I have gotten in the habit of making sure my lines are all relatively short and roughly the same length (without obsessing about it). I find that makes it easier to read _and_ easier to reply to. If the reader has a window that is narrower than yours, it leads to alternating long and short lines, which are harder to read. RFC 2646 is more than a decade old; it's past time for google to notice it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
In caarmm9rg9avh95ocdgbfzr0p9rpt6pfmp83jvut9sh0cnav...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/27/2012 at 03:25 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: However it seems strange to me that Gmail, which typically handles just about any strange mail format quite nicely, fails to lay out Radoslaw's posts in a readable way. Google is notorious for ignoring standards. RFC 2646 is more than a decade old. Have you tried reporting it to google as a bug[1]? May I also say that I usually just keep on typing in my posts, except to hit enter for a new paragraph. That's appropriate with FORMAT=FLOWED. Without it, there are problems whether you add hard CR's or you don't. [1] If GMAIL can generate FORMAT=FLOWED, shouldn't it be able to read it? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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IOW, damned if I do and damned if I don't (insert hard line breaks, that is). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair) In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b3...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 02/27/2012 at 12:52 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: I guess I'm just used to the email client inserting a line break where appropriate. The e-mail client has no way of knowing where a line break is appropriate, because it does not know the screen width that the reader will use. I tend to do email like I do word processing. I only use the newline key when I want to force a line break, or and the end of a paragraph. Quite properly, although it would be better if your software supported RFC 2646[1], including Format=Flowed. I didn't realize that some email clients don't conform to normal standards. I'll get in a habit of using the new line key more often. That causes problems for e-mail clients that do conform to normal standards. [1] With a date of 1999-08, it's hardly bleeding edge. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)
On 2/28/2012 8:51 AM, McKown, John wrote: IOW, damned if I do and damned if I don't (insert hard line breaks, that is). My advice is not to ever insert any hard breaks. That just makes things worse. When one relies on software that properly handles format=flowed everything should work beautifully. Thunderbird seems to support this very well. I assume Outlook does as well. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:51:31 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:51 AM, McKown, John wrote: IOW, damned if I do and damned if I don't (insert hard line breaks, that is). My advice is not to ever insert any hard breaks. That just makes things worse. When one relies on software that properly handles format=flowed everything should work beautifully. Thunderbird seems to support this very well. I assume Outlook does as well. I'll take the contrary position. This ain't a word processor. I learned long ago to insert line breaks where I want them -- it's the big key to the right of the home row. Using this and presuming a monospaced font (terminals used to be that way; 3270s still are) I can enter tabular information using the space bar (the long key near my belly button), and even compose rudimentary graphics. for anything fancier, people should use a markup language (but which one? HTML? RTF? Other (specify)?) F=F is an abominable compromise. Q-P is no better. Both are attempts at stealth markup -- structured text that appears plain The games they play are never quite transparent. They corrupt plain text that I paste in. MS Exchange used to take JCL snippets that supplied and interpret such as BLKSIZE=6144 as Q-P entities. (It was breaking the rules; Q-P was not declared in the MIME headers, but MS was governed by a principle of fewest phone calls, and more people would complain about seeing =3D in their emails because the sender omitted them, or they had configured LISTSERV to strip MIME headers, than about seeing BLKSIZE=6144 become BLKSIZEa44) When I paste in a snippet of a Rexx trace which flags its lines with on the left, my MUA, or perhaps yours, tries to interpret them as quotation flags. And F=F's attempt to reposition to fit the screen width makes things even worse. I believe F=F uses SPACENEWLINE as a continuation indicator. Woe betide anyone who allows a space to occur before a hard line break. Perhaps this is the source of R.S.'s problem. Leave my text alone, dammit! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b3...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 02/28/2012 at 10:51 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: IOW, damned if I do and damned if I don't (insert hard line breaks, that is). Unless you use format=flowed. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/28/2012 4:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:51:31 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/28/2012 8:51 AM, McKown, John wrote: IOW, damned if I do and damned if I don't (insert hard line breaks, that is). My advice is not to ever insert any hard breaks. That just makes things worse. When one relies on software that properly handles format=flowed everything should work beautifully. Thunderbird seems to support this very well. I assume Outlook does as well. I'll take the contrary position. This ain't a word processor. I learned long ago to insert line breaks where I want them -- it's the big key to the right of the home row. Allow me to restate. What I actually meant to say was not to insert any GRATUITOUS hard breaks. Obviously, hard breaks between paragraphs is a good idea. But, hard breaks in the middle of a paragraph become unreadable when quoted. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/26/2012 3:23 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote: Thunderbird can be configured to also use the subject for threading: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Message_Threading This sounded promising. But, no matter how I set the threading options I still have multiple threads with the same subject. :-( -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 29/02/2012 5:37 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:23 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote: Thunderbird can be configured to also use the subject for threading: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Message_Threading This sounded promising. But, no matter how I set the threading options I still have multiple threads with the same subject. :-( I think mail.strict_threading=false is the most important option. mail.thread_without_re=true is potentially useful, but has the likely side effect of adding new messages to ancient threads of the same name (if you don't clean out old messages). I get the impression that once Thunderbird has the messages in its local database, it is difficult or impossible to change the way they are threaded. I think (based on my experiences) that these options apply only to new messages. I much preferred Thunderbirds threading behaviour prior to version 3. Threading based on subject is a much more intuitive system - even with its occasional failings. -- Andrew Rowley and...@blackhillsoftware.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've noticed for a long time now that every time you respond on IBM-MAIN it starts a new thread in my mail client (Thunderbird). I also use the web client, do my responses show the same way? MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/27/2012 3:57 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: I've noticed for a long time now that every time you respond on IBM-MAIN it starts a new thread in my mail client (Thunderbird). I also use the web client, do my responses show the same way? That now you mention it, yes they do. :-( -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:32:50 -0800, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: The missing In-Reply-To: tag seems to be a failure of the web interface, perhaps due misconfiguration or running a back-level release -- OR perhaps this tag is simply not supported AT ALL by the L-Soft web interface and an enhancement is needed. I tried to Google this, but there are a lot of hits that use those words and I don't have the time to research it. (I only use the web interface to conduct searches.) I have used the web interface for posting / replying to posts exclusively for over 10 years. My former employer started blocking all NNTP at some point so I couldn't use the news servers from my ISP and reply via normal email. I've used a combination of Firefox (Netscape prior to that) and IE. Do you see the problem with my posts? Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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While we're on the topic of posting problems, am I the only reader to have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts? I find that his original posts are fine, but his replies to anyone else's are always shown without line breaks. I read the list with Gmail. I notice that both his original and reply posts have the dreaded format=flowed on the Content-Type line, but it seems to cause trouble only for replies. Usually Gmail is very good at interpreting and displaying strangely formatted mail, but consistently not in this case. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Tony, I have this same exact problem with his posts. I too use Gmail. Some time in the recent past I believe he switched to a new email client and this first showed up; I had contacted him off-list about this, but we were unable to come up with an answer. His are the only posts that exhibit such behavior. - Don Imbriale On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: While we're on the topic of posting problems, am I the only reader to have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts? I find that his original posts are fine, but his replies to anyone else's are always shown without line breaks. I read the list with Gmail. I notice that both his original and reply posts have the dreaded format=flowed on the Content-Type line, but it seems to cause trouble only for replies. Usually Gmail is very good at interpreting and displaying strangely formatted mail, but consistently not in this case. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Also having the same problem wth have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts . No line breaks at all. Jan On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: While we're on the topic of posting problems, am I the only reader to have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts? I find that his original posts are fine, but his replies to anyone else's are always shown without line breaks. I read the list with Gmail. I notice that both his original and reply posts have the dreaded format=flowed on the Content-Type line, but it seems to cause trouble only for replies. Usually Gmail is very good at interpreting and displaying strangely formatted mail, but consistently not in this case. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/27/2012 8:35 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: I have used the web interface for posting / replying to posts exclusively for over 10 years. My former employer started blocking all NNTP at some point so I couldn't use the news servers from my ISP and reply via normal email. I've used a combination of Firefox (Netscape prior to that) and IE. Do you see the problem with my posts? Yes. Same issue. No In-Reply-To: tag in the header causes a new thread to be started. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:13:06 +0100, Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Also having the same problem wth have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts . No line breaks at all. Style. John M. habitually posts without line breaks. I deal with it. Perhaps because I too often agree with his substance to complain about style. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I guess I'm just used to the email client inserting a line break where appropriate. I tend to do email like I do word processing. I only use the newline key when I want to force a line break, or and the end of a paragraph. I didn't realize that some email clients don't conform to normal standards. I'll get in a habit of using the new line key more often. Like in did in this email. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair) On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:13:06 +0100, Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Also having the same problem wth have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts . No line breaks at all. Style. John M. habitually posts without line breaks. I deal with it. Perhaps because I too often agree with his substance to complain about style. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/27/2012 11:52 AM, McKown, John wrote: I guess I'm just used to the email client inserting a line break where appropriate. I tend to do email like I do word processing. I only use the newline key when I want to force a line break, or and the end of a paragraph. I didn't realize that some email clients don't conform to normal standards. I'll get in a habit of using the new line key more often. Like in did in this email. Thanks. I have gotten in the habit of making sure my lines are all relatively short and roughly the same length (without obsessing about it). I find that makes it easier to read _and_ easier to reply to. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair) On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:13:06 +0100, Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Also having the same problem wth have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts . No line breaks at all. Style. John M. habitually posts without line breaks. I deal with it. Perhaps because I too often agree with his substance to complain about style. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 20120226232947.e728924...@panix5.panix.com, on 02/26/2012 at 06:29 PM, Rich Greenberg ric...@panix.com said: I don't think so, Your message certainly reads as though you interpreted Paul's I usually read and post to IBM-MAIN using the web interface. as a reference to gargle groups. If not, why did you discuss Usenet? If a followup is made directly to usenet, its presence depends on the newsreader used and I think the default is NO. The In-Reply-To header field is intended for e-mail; the usenet equivalent is References. However, why do you believe that Paul is using a news client? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 9121530388364333.wa.maryanne4psugmail@bama.ua.edu, on 02/27/2012 at 05:57 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.com said: I also use the web client, do my responses show the same way? Your response does not have an In-Reply-To header field. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 27 February 2012 12:21, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:13:06 +0100, Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Also having the same problem wth have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts . No line breaks at all. Style. John M. habitually posts without line breaks. I deal with it. Perhaps because I too often agree with his substance to complain about style. I have no complaint about the content of the posts of either of these gentlemen. However it seems strange to me that Gmail, which typically handles just about any strange mail format quite nicely, fails to lay out Radoslaw's posts in a readable way. If I can't disentangle one of his by eye, I click Gmail's message text garbled? box, which though it is mostly concerned with code page issues that I believe are not relevant here, generally produces readable text at the cost of another step and another tab or window. I never see a problem with John M's posts. May I also say that I usually just keep on typing in my posts, except to hit enter for a new paragraph. I have had no complaints ever on this style, so presumably between Gmail's posting and everyone else's reading, either it works, or no one reads my posts in any case. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes, using gmail, and not seeing it on others. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: While we're on the topic of posting problems, am I the only reader to have trouble with Radoslaw Skorupka's posts? I find that his original posts are fine, but his replies to anyone else's are always shown without line breaks. I read the list with Gmail. I notice that both his original and reply posts have the dreaded format=flowed on the Content-Type line, but it seems to cause trouble only for replies. Usually Gmail is very good at interpreting and displaying strangely formatted mail, but consistently not in this case. Tony H. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:01:36 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: I've noticed for a long time now that every time you respond on IBM-MAIN it starts a new thread in my mail client (Thunderbird). I finally decided to compare headers from your non-threaded posts to other peoples' threaded posts. What I see is that the requisite In-Reply-To: header element, necessary to properly thread messages together, is missing from your responses. Is there any way to fix that? I usually read and post to IBM-MAIN using the web interface. So this seems to be a LISTSERV problem. Is Darren IBM-MAIN's interface to L-Soft? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In article 5978244080952028.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu you write: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:01:36 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: I've noticed for a long time now that every time you respond on IBM-MAIN it starts a new thread in my mail client (Thunderbird). I finally decided to compare headers from your non-threaded posts to other peoples' threaded posts. What I see is that the requisite In-Reply-To: header element, necessary to properly thread messages together, is missing from your responses. Is there any way to fix that? I usually read and post to IBM-MAIN using the web interface. So this seems to be a LISTSERV problem. Is Darren IBM-MAIN's interface to L-Soft? No, its not a problem, its just an artifact of how this list works. You may not realize it but there are TWO entities called IBM-MAIN. One is a mailing list hosted at the listserver at bama.ua.edu. The second is the usenet group named bit.listserv.ibm-main. The mailing list has a gateway to the usenet group but there is no reverse gateway. There used to be but it was taken down due to abuse. So if someone originates a post by sending it to the mailing list, it will appear there and ALSO on the usenet group. But if someone originates a post on usenet, it will not be sent to the mailing list. Google Groups is fed from usenet so it is complete. The mailing list archives are ONLY fed by the listserv so they will miss anything that was only posted on usenet. For folks who normally read usenet or Google Groups (which IS usenet although Goggle would like you to believe otherwise) here is what I do and what I suggest all usenet readers do also: 1) Subscribe to the mailing list. 2) Set yourself to NOMAIL on the listserv. 3) When responding to a usenet post, DON'T use Followup. Instead use Reply and make sure that the email address gets set to: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu. That way your response will be seen on both the mailing list and on usenet, and will be in the IBM-MAIN archives at bama. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val,Red,Shasta,Zero,Casey Cinnar (At the bridge) Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Max (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:51:33 -0500, Rich Greenberg wrote: In article you write: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:01:36 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: I've noticed for a long time now that every time you respond on IBM-MAIN it starts a new thread in my mail client (Thunderbird). I finally decided to compare headers from your non-threaded posts to other peoples' threaded posts. What I see is that the requisite In-Reply-To: header element, necessary to properly thread messages together, is missing from your responses. Is there any way to fix that? I usually read and post to IBM-MAIN using the web interface. So this seems to be a LISTSERV problem. Is Darren IBM-MAIN's interface to L-Soft? No, its not a problem, its just an artifact of how this list works. Subjectively, it's a problem. You may not realize it but there are TWO entities called IBM-MAIN. One is a mailing list hosted at the listserver at bama.ua.edu. The second is the usenet group named bit.listserv.ibm-main. I'm well aware of this. The mailing list has a gateway to the usenet group but there is no reverse gateway. There used to be but it was taken down due to abuse. This has often been discussed here. So if someone originates a post by sending it to the mailing list, it will appear there and ALSO on the usenet group. But if someone originates a post on usenet, it will not be sent to the mailing list. Google Groups is fed from usenet so it is complete. The mailing list archives are ONLY fed by the listserv so they will miss anything that was only posted on usenet. Also well known. For folks who normally read usenet or Google Groups (which IS usenet although Goggle would like you to believe otherwise) here is what I do and what I suggest all usenet readers do also: I don't normally use Google groups, and I have no other access to Usenet. 1) Subscribe to the mailing list. I do. 2) Set yourself to NOMAIL on the listserv. I did that long ago. 3) When responding to a usenet post, DON'T use Followup. Instead use Reply and make sure that the email address gets set to: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu. I don't use Usenet. That way your response will be seen on both the mailing list and on usenet, and will be in the IBM-MAIN archives at bama. Are you perhaps addressing a different problem from the problem (or non-problem, in your perception) that Ed reported? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 27/02/2012 5:01 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Paul Gilmartin, I've noticed for a long time now that every time you respond on IBM-MAIN it starts a new thread in my mail client (Thunderbird). I finally decided to compare headers from your non-threaded posts to other peoples' threaded posts. What I see is that the requisite In-Reply-To: header element, necessary to properly thread messages together, is missing from your responses. Is there any way to fix that? Thunderbird can be configured to also use the subject for threading: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Message_Threading I have the opposite problem - many people start new threads by replying to an existing message and changing the subject - which means the In-Reply-To: header is inserted and the new thread is buried in an old one. I wish I could figure out how to make Thunderbird ignore the In-Reply-To: header, and just use the subject. Then changing the subject line woud start a new thread, which is usually what is intended. -- Andrew Rowley and...@blackhillsoftware.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In article 5564582964532228.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu you write: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:51:33 -0500, Rich Greenberg wrote: In article you write: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:01:36 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: What I see is that the requisite In-Reply-To: header element, necessary to properly thread messages together, is missing from your responses. Is there any way to fix that? [snip] Are you perhaps addressing a different problem from the problem (or non-problem, in your perception) that Ed reported? Gil et al, I don't think so, but upon re-reading Ed's query, I see that I could have been more specific in my reply. /confession: I used a canned post that has been posted to the list several times over the years when this topic has come up. Inserting a Reply-To: header by the Listserv is an option that must be turned on. I think it is turned on, but have no way to verify this. Its also an option to respect or ignore an existing Reply-To: header. If a followup is made directly to usenet, its presence depends on the newsreader used and I think the default is NO. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val,Red,Shasta,Zero,Casey Cinnar (At the bridge) Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Max (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/26/2012 3:01 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:51:33 -0500, Rich Greenberg wrote: No, its not a problem, its just an artifact of how this list works. Are you perhaps addressing a different problem from the problem (or non-problem, in your perception) that Ed reported? That's what I'm thinking -- Rich is discussing an entirely different issue... The missing In-Reply-To: tag seems to be a failure of the web interface, perhaps due misconfiguration or running a back-level release -- OR perhaps this tag is simply not supported AT ALL by the L-Soft web interface and an enhancement is needed. I tried to Google this, but there are a lot of hits that use those words and I don't have the time to research it. (I only use the web interface to conduct searches.) -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/26/2012 3:29 PM, Rich Greenberg wrote: Inserting a Reply-To: header by the Listserv is an option that must be turned on. Rich, you're discussing a different problem. It's not the Reply-To: tag that is missing; it's the In-Reply-To: tag that is missing. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:29:47 -0500, Rich Greenberg wrote: In article you write: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:51:33 -0500, Rich Greenberg wrote: In article you write: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:01:36 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: What I see is that the requisite In-Reply-To: header element, necessary to properly thread messages together, is missing from your responses. Is there any way to fix that? [snip] Are you perhaps addressing a different problem from the problem (or non-problem, in your perception) that Ed reported? Gil et al, I don't think so, but upon re-reading Ed's query, I see that I could have been more specific in my reply. Ed and I think so. /confession: I used a canned post that has been posted to the list several times over the years when this topic has come up. When has the topic that Ed raised been discussed here previously? (Cite.) A single canned reply does not suffice for all potential problems or subscriber misunderstandings. Inserting a Reply-To: header by the Listserv is an option that must be turned on. I think it is turned on, but have no way to verify this. Its also an option to respect or ignore an existing Reply-To: header. If a followup is made directly to usenet, its presence depends on the newsreader used and I think the default is NO. This has little or nothing to do with the In-Reply-To: header that Ed misses. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:35:55 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:29 PM, Rich Greenberg wrote: Inserting a Reply-To: header by the Listserv is an option that must be turned on. Rich, you're discussing a different problem. It's not the Reply-To: tag that is missing; it's the In-Reply-To: tag that is missing. Yes. Perhaps Rich has (or emulates) a 'bot that scans for the SUBstring Reply-To: and submits his canned message. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In article 2832182203947394.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu you write: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:35:55 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 2/26/2012 3:29 PM, Rich Greenberg wrote: Inserting a Reply-To: header by the Listserv is an option that must be turned on. Rich, you're discussing a different problem. Aparantly I am. I missed the In. Sorry about that. It's not the Reply-To: tag that is missing; it's the In-Reply-To: tag that is missing. I am unaware of the rules that control that tag. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val,Red,Shasta,Zero,Casey Cinnar (At the bridge) Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Max (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
