Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
William, Except of course that the perceptions is still that Linux is Open Source / unsupported / bug-prone / security risk / not for a Production workload... If CA or IBM released an official Linux, and charged for it, maybe... Regards Herbie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Richter Sent: 03 Augustus 2007 04:20 nm To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? It should provide the customer the same benefits as Linux on z/Series -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s).If you receive this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized dissemination, retransmission, or copying of this email and any attachments is prohibited. Euroconex does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence, which may arise from the use of email. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. This message has been scanned for known computer viruses. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
All, Note that Tom's reference - at least in the version of the post I received - seems to cause dropping of the final right bracket. Probably all most folk would need to know about this is contained in the following paragraph from the Wikipedia article: AIX on IBM Mainframes In 1988, IBM announced AIX/370. AIX/370 was IBM's first attempt to offer Unix-like functionality for their mainframe line, specifically the System/370. AIX/370 was released in 1990 with functional equivalence to System V Release 2 and 4.3BSD as well as IBM enhancements. With the introduction of the ESA/390 architecture, AIX/370 was rebranded as AIX/ESA in 1991, with its kernel source code based on OSF/1, and ran on the System/390 platform. This development effort was made partly to allow IBM to compete with Amdahl UTS. Unlike AIX/370, AIX/ESA ran both natively as the host operating system, and as a guest under VM. AIX/ESA, while technically advanced, had little commercial success, partially because UNIX functionality was added as an option to the existing mainframe operating system, MVS, which became MVS/ESA OpenEdition in 1993. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: "Thomas Kern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? I think it was ported to IBM's mainframes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX_(operating_system) /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:19:44 -0500, William Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? It should provide the customer the same benefits as Linux on z/Series -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
I think you might actually be correct. I worked for an Oil company that had an Amdahl 57?? and they bought an Australian written package (MIMS) that was developed on UNIX, this was then later ported to the 'AIX' on the 5700, I don't think that AIX on the mainframe is still available though... Is it? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: 03 Augustus 2007 04:26 nm To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? I think it was ported to IBM's mainframes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX_(operating_system) /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:19:44 -0500, William Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? > >It should provide the customer the same benefits as Linux on z/Series > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s).If you receive this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized dissemination, retransmission, or copying of this email and any attachments is prohibited. Euroconex does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence, which may arise from the use of email. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. This message has been scanned for known computer viruses. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
I think it was ported to IBM's mainframes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX_(operating_system) /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:19:44 -0500, William Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? > >It should provide the customer the same benefits as Linux on z/Series > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of William Richter > > Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? > > It should provide the customer the same benefits as Linux on > z/Series At this point in history, it would probably be considered redundant to do so. In addition to Linux on System z, there is also z/OS UNIX, aka OMVS, MVS Open Edition, and probably a few monikers not fit for publication here. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Van Dalsen, Herbie > > William, > > Except of course that the perceptions is still that Linux is > Open Source / unsupported / bug-prone / security risk / not > for a Production workload... > If CA or IBM released an official Linux, and charged for it, maybe... Novell (SLES) and Red Hat (RHEL), and possibly others, have already done that. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
IMHO,IBM has not ported and licensed AIX to zSeries... because IBM does not want zSeries competing directly with AIX and Pseries servers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
Amdahl had its own Unix called UTS. I think it was well regarded, but never really took off. Did another company take it over when Amdahl was acquired? And there was Amdahl's Huron, a rule-driven database. I ended up teaching an internal class on it at Amdahl when the regular instructor fell ill. It was quite interesting, in both good ways and bad ways. It also never took off (terrible interface, for one thing, and not made by a major database vendor for another). It was later sold and renamed ObjectStar. I never hear anything about it; I don't know if it disappeared or just became a niche product. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information & Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 08/03/2007 08:43:30 AM: > I think you might actually be correct. I worked for an Oil company that > had an Amdahl 57?? and they bought an Australian written package (MIMS) > that was developed on UNIX, this was then later ported to the 'AIX' on > the 5700, I don't think that AIX on the mainframe is still available > though... Is it? > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Thomas Kern > Sent: 03 Augustus 2007 04:26 nm > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? > > I think it was ported to IBM's mainframes. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX_(operating_system) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
> Amdahl had its own Unix called UTS. I think it was well regarded, but > never really took off. Did another company take it over when Amdahl was > acquired? Disappeared into history I think. > And there was Amdahl's Huron, a rule-driven database. I ended up teaching > an internal class on it at Amdahl when the regular instructor fell ill. It > was quite interesting, in both good ways and bad ways. It also never took > off (terrible interface, for one thing, and not made by a major database > vendor for another). It was later sold and renamed ObjectStar. I never > hear anything about it; I don't know if it disappeared or just became a > niche product. I have very little knowledge of Huron, but one of my friends was a developer on it before Amdahl folded. I think the biggest hurdle it had to overcome was its staggering price. Only the customers with the deepest pockets could even think about it. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:51:43 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >And there was Amdahl's Huron, a rule-driven database. I ended up teaching >an internal class on it at Amdahl when the regular instructor fell ill. It >was quite interesting, in both good ways and bad ways. It also never took >off (terrible interface, for one thing, and not made by a major database >vendor for another). It was later sold and renamed ObjectStar. I never >hear anything about it; I don't know if it disappeared or just became a >niche product. > Huron is alive & selling well under it's new owners Tibco and new name Object Service Broker. It stagnated for a few years as Amdahl didn't really know how to sell software and the next owners, ObjectStar, were just a venture capital company only interested in selling it on. Tibco have used Huron/ObjectStar/OSB as their gateway to all thing mainframe from the wierd world, which I'm slowly being dragged into kicking and screaming. Ron MacRae, ex Amdahl, ex Fujitsu, ex ObjectStar, currently Tibco. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:51:43 -0700 said: >Amdahl had its own Unix called UTS. I think it was well regarded, but >never really took off. Did another company take it over when Amdahl was >acquired? UTS is currently owned by UTSGlobal http://www.utsglobal.com/Unix.html from their website: UTS Global LLC, formerly a business unit of Amdahl Corporation, has since May 2000 been independently providing innovative solutions to its customers. With a customer base comprised of Fortune 100 companies located across the United States and overseas, and an engineering staff with a skill set that includes many Information Technology (IT) platforms; UTS Global is a world-class software and services provider. /ahw -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
William With that Wikipedia article as an "aide memoire", one is reminded that IBM have indeed ported AIX to at least a predecessor to the zSeries. I *think* what AIX/370 and AIX/ESA were was a "quick fix" to deal with, in this case, a competition issue - it might simply have been a requirement from a customer with clout. As the Wikipedia article implies, the need for AIX/ESA disappeared - in principle - when OpenEdition appeared. Having been roped into a development lab in order to create such a "quick fix" - a small product feature rather than a whole product! - I know this sort of thing happens - if, indeed, it wasn't obvious! I'm happy to say the fully designed replacement - represented by OpenEdition in the discussion above - was what went into the final product as shipped rather than my efforts which were needed in order to support honesty in the announcement text. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: "William Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? IMHO,IBM has not ported and licensed AIX to zSeries... because IBM does not want zSeries competing directly with AIX and Pseries servers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
I guess I did not adequately qualify my original question...let me try again... Why doesn't IBM create a special purpose engine, similar to the IFL, for AIX. Lets call it an IFA. Would not AIX running on a zSeriers special purpose engines generate benefits similar to Linux on IFL's. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
There already is hardware that will run AIX, it's called System p. I doubt that there would be much traction to get AIX back on System z. The focus is Linux. William Richter wrote: I guess I did not adequately qualify my original question...let me try again... Why doesn't IBM create a special purpose engine, similar to the IFL, for AIX. Lets call it an IFA. Would not AIX running on a zSeriers special purpose engines generate benefits similar to Linux on IFL's. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:33:40 -0500, William Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I guess I did not adequately qualify my original question...let me try again... > >Why doesn't IBM create a special purpose engine, similar to the IFL, for AIX. >Lets call it an IFA. Would not AIX running on a zSeriers special purpose >engines generate benefits similar to Linux on IFL's. Because there would be no financial benefit to IBM to do so. It would: - cost money to implement IFAs - cost money to virtualize IFAs - cost money to port AIX to System z - compete with AIX on System p - create another platform on which IBM and other middleware would have to be ported and certified >From a customer perspective, it would eliminate the option of using open software on System z. Alan Altmark z/VM Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
Alan, Thankx for your response...from an IBM business perspective this makes sense. It is interesting to inquire from a customer perspective if customers would be willing to pay more for an AIX zSeries special purpose engine and for the AIX license. For example, what if the IFA cost $250,000 per engine? Would the architectural benefit and workload management economies incent customers to pursue AIX on an IFA. It would be interesting to see what kind of power factor licensing metric IBM would apply to the AIX license. This would force IBM to put a stake in the ground regarding tade offs between "unix server" workload performance and throughput versus "unix on z". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
